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MORGEY
16-06-2011, 02:32 PM
I have tried the search facility but cannot get a good answer.
I am starting to rip my cd collection via the i tunes programme at 160kbps.
Should I be be using the highest setting that I can obtain or is 160 ok.
I know the answer is probably the highest setting but when I have played back
the 160kbps it sound ok.
The point of the question is, what in your opinion is the proper kbps for mobile dj playout systems.
Thanks:)

Daryll
16-06-2011, 02:36 PM
320kbps , if you can , that's as good as it gets for MP3`s.
For a great ( and free) ripping software try http://www.audiograbber.org/

Cheers

Daryll

Vectis
16-06-2011, 02:36 PM
320kbps CBR (constant bit rate) at 44.1KHz stereo.

Some hardware devices struggle with VBR (variable bit rate) and sample rates other than 44.1.

Storage is cheap.

Anything less than 256k becomes noticeable at higher volumes or with decent quality PA. mp3 is a "lossy" format, meaning that in order to achieve the compression rate, information is thrown away. That detail isn't noticeable at low volume, but stick it through a big PA and it's obvious that it's lacking.

Excalibur
16-06-2011, 02:42 PM
I endorse completely what Vectis said, and unless you're ecstatically happy with the accursed Itunes, I'd alswys recommend using Media Monkey. Even the basic programme is good, but for about £15 you get loads of useful extras.

Dynamic Entertainment
16-06-2011, 02:52 PM
Place your bets as to how long it takes leelive to tip up....

;)

DeckstarDeluxe
16-06-2011, 03:12 PM
320k at the very least. 160k isn't good enough IMO.

deltic
16-06-2011, 03:25 PM
when storage prices are so low,why do people insist on ripping to mp3.

lossless format is much better.

Vectis
16-06-2011, 03:31 PM
when storage prices are so low,why do people insist on ripping to mp3.

lossless format is much better.


1. Compatibility
2. Ease of tagging
3. Portability
4. The "De Facto"-ness of MP3
5. Availability of computer based tools to interact with the format
6. Data read rates

(I could probably think of a few more)


I agree that a master repository should be lossless.

Daryll
16-06-2011, 03:34 PM
1. Compatibility
2. Ease of tagging
3. Portability
4. The "De Facto"-ness of MP3
5. Availability of computer based tools to interact with the format
6. Data read rates

(I could probably think of a few more)


I agree that a master repository should be lossless.

And most download sites , only offer MP3`s , usual at 256kbps

leelive
16-06-2011, 03:38 PM
Place your bets as to how long it takes leelive to tip up....

;)

I have been learning to keep quiet. You don;t want me flaping and "wav"ing about storage being cheap and how all the bottom of an mp3 file falls out each time your hear a snare drum etc etc.

ps. About to order that Yahama Mixer and DBX Driverack PX.... so my sound is going to be perfect very soon.

Lee

Dynamic Entertainment
16-06-2011, 03:54 PM
I have been learning to keep quiet. You don;t want me flaping and "wav"ing about storage being cheap and how all the bottom of an mp3 file falls out each time your hear a snare drum etc etc.

ps. About to order that Yahama Mixer and DBX Driverack PX.... so my sound is going to be perfect very soon.

Lee

It doesnt matter...Andy kind of done it for you :D


when storage prices are so low,why do people insist on ripping to mp3.

lossless format is much better.


I knind of agree that wav is better...especially with cheap storage...now all we need is the likes of Amazon and that to catch on with the dance music specialists and offer people the choice :)

Mark Wild
16-06-2011, 03:56 PM
320k will do it :)



About to order that Yahama Mixer and DBX Driverack PX.... so my sound is going to be perfect very soon.


:lol: Perfect my arse, you're so full of it LOL

The acoustics of a room and 150 people talking, shouting, moving around and singing might spoil that 'perfect' sound you're getting for you ;)

DJ Paulie
16-06-2011, 04:07 PM
Actually I've been thinking all this talk of wizards are the best lights, James H booths are the best & SM58 mics are perfect, if we all used the same gear & gave the same service people wouldn't have any individuality for their wedding or whatever.

It's the fact there are DJ's giving different rigs & services that allows people to be different to everyone else.

Anyway back on topic, I use audiograbber to covert my songs to 320k where possible, unless I get it from DMC etc. I'm going to copy & convert all my songs to flac or wav soon as a backup.

Dynamic Entertainment
16-06-2011, 04:47 PM
Actually I've been thinking all this talk of wizards are the best lights, James H booths are the best & SM58 mics are perfect, if we all used the same gear & gave the same service people wouldn't have any individuality for their wedding or whatever.

It's the fact there are DJ's giving different rigs & services that allows people to be different to everyone else.

Anyway back on topic, I use audiograbber to covert my songs to 320k where possible, unless I get it from DMC etc. I'm going to copy & convert all my songs to flac or wav soon as a backup.

If you already have the fole as mp3, you cant convert it to wav/flac...well you can, but all your doing is changing the file type...you cant put anything back thats been lost as an mp3.

deltic
16-06-2011, 04:47 PM
there is no substitute for quality,mp3 may be convenient,widely available etc,pretty much what vectis said,and played out with a pair of plastic tops probably the difference is not as noticeable.

but if you want a quality sound you need a quality source and decent playout.

i will add that a large percentage of punters would not know a good sound from a bad one,but it's personal i like to deliver the best possible sound i can.

Mark Wild
16-06-2011, 05:11 PM
The poor OP only asked what rate he should burn his MP3's at, he never even mentioned WAV !

simonp
16-06-2011, 05:27 PM
Yup 320kps

Dynamic Entertainment
16-06-2011, 06:09 PM
The poor OP only asked what rate he should burn his MP3's at, he never even mentioned WAV !

But wav is a viable option if he has the storage to keep them all...

Im supprised no one has mentione the "other" thing yet either.... :D

Vectis
16-06-2011, 06:13 PM
Im supprised no one has mentione the "other" thing yet either.... :D


Can I have a "P" please Bob? :D

BossmanKaraokeDisco
16-06-2011, 06:33 PM
Yup 320kps

Totally agree...Has to be 320 if your ripping yourself

Who wants a P?

:pants:

deltic
16-06-2011, 07:30 PM
I have tried the search facility but cannot get a good answer.
I am starting to rip my cd collection via the i tunes programme at 160kbps.
Should I be be using the highest setting that I can obtain or is 160 ok.
I know the answer is probably the highest setting but when I have played back
the 160kbps it sound ok.
The point of the question is, what in your opinion is the proper kbps for mobile dj playout systems.
Thanks:)


The poor OP only asked what rate he should burn his MP3's at, he never even mentioned WAV !

ok then to answer the question

in itunes go to import settings and instead of choosing 160kbps,choose custom and then select 320kbps.
that should do it.

BeerFunk
16-06-2011, 07:46 PM
I doubt you'd even notice a difference between 160kbps and 320kbps, but as has been said, might as well go with 320kbps considering the price of HDDs.

djtrev
16-06-2011, 09:27 PM
Going thro iTunes is ok but 256 at the very least.

MORGEY
16-06-2011, 09:54 PM
Thanks again for the info.
Just burning my music to a new 1tb hdd at the moment and wanted to get it right as I have around 12,000 tracks to do over the coming weeks.
I would have been very dissapointed if I had not asked this question today but in 11,999 tracks time. I would look at the wav file thing in the future but as I am just starting out the answers you have all given are very much appreciated.
I have just started with Media Monkey and quite like it so far, but can see that I will have to ask a few questions as I get more involved with it.
Stand by for another thread!!!!!!!:beer1: :beer1: :beer1:

Vectis
16-06-2011, 10:03 PM
I have around 12,000 tracks to do over the coming weeks.

Ouch! That's an expensive ProDub... :o

Dynamic Entertainment
16-06-2011, 10:05 PM
Ouch! That's an expensive ProDub... :o

Arggggggggghhhhhh....you said it :mad: PMSL :D

Vectis
16-06-2011, 10:06 PM
Arggggggggghhhhhh....you said it :mad: PMSL :D

:cool:

ppentertainments
16-06-2011, 10:22 PM
Thanks again for the info.
Just burning my music to a new 1tb hdd at the moment and wanted to get it right as I have around 12,000 tracks to do over the coming weeks.
I would have been very dissapointed if I had not asked this question today but in 11,999 tracks time. I would look at the wav file thing in the future but as I am just starting out the answers you have all given are very much appreciated.
I have just started with Media Monkey and quite like it so far, but can see that I will have to ask a few questions as I get more involved with it.
Stand by for another thread!!!!!!!:beer1: :beer1: :beer1:
Do it right first time !!!!!!!!
Once you have sat and ripped endless cd's you won't want to do it again.

For me, personally I wished I had ripped and stored, on an entirely different HD, to WAV. Then converted (using mediamonkey) to 320 kbps to use. It means in the future if I ever need WAV it is already there.

Vectis
16-06-2011, 10:27 PM
Do it right first time !!!!!!!!
Once you have sat and ripped endless cd's you won't want to do it again.

For me, personally I wished I had ripped and stored, on an entirely different HD, to WAV. Then converted (using mediamonkey) to 320 kbps to use. It means in the future if I ever need WAV it is already there.

Or just sign up to iTunes Match ;)

ppentertainments
16-06-2011, 10:31 PM
Or just sign up to iTunes Match ;)
Mods - there is a word which has escaped the swear filter again :D :D

Megamix
16-06-2011, 11:19 PM
I started at WAV and moved to 320kbps - it's very hard to tell the difference - it seems to be more dependant on the original quality of the track itself - some of my WAVS sound worse than some 128kbps tracks.

MORGEY
17-06-2011, 11:20 AM
:daft: After the worrying remark from vectis about a costly Pro Dub fee and a fretful night, I have checked how many actual tracks that I need to rip to media monkey and find that my entire collection is 4,350 tracks.
I will not bother to rip around 1,500 of those as Leonard Cohen, Elgar,John Prine et al will only be played from cd at home and not on my mobile playout system. I made a big, big counting error which has actually cheered me up no end. I do think that I will need help from some one who is a media Monkey junkie. I have ripped my first cd at 320mbs and all is well but am concerned as to how I manage all of music. For instance: Abba gold greatest hits goes into the Abba folder. When I start to rip compillation albums that have Abba tracks on them do I keep the track in the compillation folder or do I move it to the Abba folder? Do I need sub folders for different years / decades/genres ?.
What is the best way forward for me now.:)