Censoring Filter

[DMX Will]

So Shaun etc have been moaning about swearing recently - fine.

So rather than deleting posts or editing them, why not customise the censor. It picks out some words, it also picks out words it shouldn't do a bit like Moby Di ck, and D@mn, that even Corabar Steve uses the @ to get around it.

I've noticed it doesn't pick up the blood y word either.

So rather than spending your life editing, deleting and thus having to moan, setup vBulliten to do it for you.

As I'm sure like you (the admin team) are getting bored of the swearing issue, we are too. :beer1:

[Shaun]

There wouldn't be an issue if people would just follow the rules. This is a family orientated forum, there should be absolutely no need for anyone to be swearing in their posts.

[Harrison's Discos]

Hold on a sec! Bloody is not a swear word as it reffers to 'bloody mary' if anyone bothered to look into english history :D :rolleyes:

[theoloyla]

I am totally against bad language. There is no need for it. It shows the person using it as silly and unable to express themselves properly without misappropriate expletives. I agree with Shaun - just dont do it! As for the word which you refer to Miskin it is one of the less serious words but it is still an unneccessary expletive and when I was young (a long time ago) was very much a word you did not use. However; I was amazed a few months back when the moderators objected to me using the word content removed on this forum. I wonder if I will get edited again? Maybe I should upset the mods even more and spell content removed!

[Shaun]

However; I was amazed a few months back when the moderators objected to me using the word content removed on this forum. I wonder if I will get edited again? Maybe I should upset the mods even more and spell content removed

Content removed. :D

The problem isn't that it's a swear word. Hopefully the clarification below will be self explanitory.


19. Posts relating to the following subjects are not permitted (whether in writing or image-related): Drugs, sex, pornography, excessive violence and other related or similar topics are prohibited. MDD strives to maintain a family-friendly atmosphere.

Any discussions relating to anything sexual in nature, isn't permitted, which is why the word was removed from your posts previously. I've removed them again, as I'd hate to be called inconsistent. :D

[Harrison's Discos]

However; I was amazed a few months back when the moderators objected to me using the word content removed on this forum. I wonder if I will get edited again? Maybe I should upset the mods even more and spell content removed!

Perhaps thats because the word is to do with sexual preferances :D

[Harrison's Discos]

Content removed. :D

The problem isn't that it's a swear word. Hopefully the clarification below will be self explanitory.



Any discussions relating to anything sexual in nature, isn't permitted, which is why the word was removed from your posts previously. I've removed them again, as I'd hate to be called inconsistent. :D

Flipping heck someones quick off the mark :lol:

[theoloyla]

Content removed. :D

The problem isn't that it's a swear word. Hopefully the clarification below will be self explanitory.



Any discussions relating to anything sexual in nature, isn't permitted, which is why the word was removed from your posts previously. I've removed them again, as I'd hate to be called inconsistent. :D
Your consistency has been noted!! Thanks for the explanation. I shall try not to mention that medical term for self gratification of a sexual nature again - although I still think your interpretation is a little severe. Anyway back on topic - stop swearing the rest of you!

[Shaun]

Your consistency has been noted!! Thanks for the explanation. I shall try not to mention that medical term for self gratification of a sexual nature again - although I still think your interpretation is a little severe. Anyway back on topic - stop swearing the rest of you!

The forum is viewable to minors, as such, any mention of sexual activity (whether the word is a medical term or not) cannot be allowed. What's severe about that?

[DMX Will]

There wouldn't be an issue if people would just follow the rules. This is a family orientated forum, there should be absolutely no need for anyone to be swearing in their posts.

Well it's clear that people arn't always going to follow the rules, and I would say that has been made clear!

Wether or not anyone thinks it's suitable or a need to do it etc etc, they still do. Now personally I don't remember the last time i wrote a swear word on this forum, so this doesn't affect me directly. I'm just bored of hearing AND seeing moans etc - Which I'm sure you guys are sick and tired of giving out too.

So make life easier for yourself and edit the censor so it works properly! Why make life harder for yourself? It's complete stupidity to dismiss a valid suggestion to resolve an forum issue, simply by saying "well they shouldn't do it anyway".

Come on guys!

Disclaimer: This post is on complete neutral ground, and should not be taken as insult to anyone personally or to the forum itself.

[Ricesnaps]

Interestingly I would describe myself as pasionate and at times i get very pasionate in my posts. However I wouldn't consider myself open to swearing in a public forum, however one of my posts has been edited with the link simply stating that the edit was due to swearing.

Come on guys, this doesn't help me at all. You will surely realise that I had no intention of breaking rules, but without explaining what it was I did, how will I ever know?

[Shaun]

Interestingly I would describe myself as pasionate and at times i get very pasionate in my posts. However I wouldn't consider myself open to swearing in a public forum, however one of my posts has been edited with the link simply stating that the edit was due to swearing.

Come on guys, this doesn't help me at all. You will surely realise that I had no intention of breaking rules, but without explaining what it was I did, how will I ever know?

Hi Ricey,

I'll explain here.

Several times you posted swear words that had ***'s in place of some of the letters in the word. This contravenes the site rules.

We all make mistakes at times. I urge all of our members to have a quick re-read of the forum rules to see what's acceptable on the forum. Cheers. :approve:

[Shaun]

Well it's clear that people arn't always going to follow the rules, and I would say that has been made clear!


So make life easier for yourself and edit the censor so it works properly! Why make life harder for yourself? It's complete stupidity to dismiss a valid suggestion to resolve an forum issue, simply by saying "well they shouldn't do it anyway".

Come on guys!



You're solution is that we change the way things work because people won't follow the rules?.

Firstly, I'm dismissing nothing, I don't make the rules I only make sure they are followed. Changing aspects of the forum workings isn't something I'm authorised to do. If I was, I certainly wouldn't change things because members refuse to follow instructions.

If people cannot follow the forum rules it's up to me and the rest of the site staff to make an informed decision on the course of action. With regards to swearing (masked or not), these posts will be deleted from now on as I've continously asked people to abide by the forum guidelines we all have to adhere to.

All I'm asking as that people are careful not to post content that isn't permitted. It's not rocket science. :beer1:

Just incase anyone's not had a chance to read the rules since they were updated. Here you go... Forum Rules (http://www.mobilediscodirectory.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=5580)

[DMX Will]

You're solution is that we change the way things work because people won't follow the rules?.

Firstly, I'm dismissing nothing, I don't make the rules I only make sure they are followed. Changing aspects of the forum workings isn't something I'm authorised to do. If I was, I certainly wouldn't change things because members refuse to follow instructions.

If people cannot follow the forum rules it's up to me and the rest of the site staff to make an informed decision on the course of action. With regards to swearing (masked or not), these posts will be deleted from now on as I've continously asked people to abide by the forum guidelines we all have to adhere to.

All I'm asking as that people are careful not to post content that isn't permitted. It's not rocket science. :beer1:

Just incase anyone's not had a chance to read the rules since they were updated. Here you go... Forum Rules (http://www.mobilediscodirectory.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=5580)

Shaun,

You say why should you change the way "the forum works" because members don't follow the rules - fair play...I agree here. However you are changing the rules anyway, as you are now going to delete posts that don't follow the forum rules, rather than editing them.

At the end of the day, I've given what I would consider a valid suggestion to resolve the issue of swearing, which will also save you..the admin team time and effort. Aside from that, the current editing method draws attention to the fact that profanities were used in the post by marking them a size up, in bold and in red! The censor system, as you know puts in some subtle astericks.

Most minors these days know every word in the book anyway, I'm not suggesting that because of this the rule should be dropped, but having such large replacements for the "naughty words" is only going to get their mind thinking, however as I said, the censors astericks are considerably more subtle, and don't require any additional editing.

Now to be honest, I like you and we've always got on quite well, You've helped me out on occassion, and hopefully I've helped you somewhere down the line, however it just frustrates me when an idea such as this gets dissmissed without consideration on the basis that "members shouldn't do it anyway".

It's a bit like the council saying "we won't put a wall either side of that 50ft high bridge, as people should know not to jump/fall off. (Not a great example, but I'm sure you understand what I'm getting at!).

Thanks for reading.

P.S. You say your not allowed to do anything without permission etc, could you clear up the difference between a Moderator and an Administrator please?

[Shaun]

Shaun,

You say why should you change the way "the forum works" because members don't follow the rules - fair play...I agree here. However you are changing the rules anyway, as you are now going to delete posts that don't follow the forum rules, rather than editing them.



I'm not changing any rules. Below is a quote from the forum guidelines. Although it states 'forum owners, it covers both admin and moderators also.


The owners of Mobile Disco Directory Forum reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread or post for any reason, and (if deemed necessary) to sanction any member following a breach of these rules.




Now to be honest, I like you and we've always got on quite well, You've helped me out on occassion, and hopefully I've helped you somewhere down the line, however it just frustrates me when an idea such as this gets dissmissed without consideration on the basis that "members shouldn't do it anyway".



Will,

I've not taken anything personally, I like you too :).

I'm not intentionally dismissing your points, it's just that changing forum settings is something that's down to the owners. Like I've stated though, I don't think things should be changed because people are breaking the rules. I do understand your points though.




P.S. You say your not allowed to do anything without permission etc, could you clear up the difference between a Moderator and an Administrator please?

I didn't say I was allowed to do anything without the permission of the forum owners. I haven't been told I can't make the changes. The forum workings/settings and forum rules that have already been set by by the owners and as such I don't believe it's my place to alter/edit anything already put in place by them.

With regards to the difference between moderators and admin....there's very little difference really. Duties on the forum are identical but admin also take care of administration duties such as the directory listings and validating PLI and PAT uploads etc.

[Marc J]

Mountains and molehills come to mind tbpfh Will :eek: :D

[DMX Will]

tbpfh

:confused:

[Marc J]

:confused:

To be perfectly honest ;)

[DMX Will]

I didn't say I was allowed to do anything without the permission of the forum owners. I haven't been told I can't make the changes. The forum workings/settings and forum rules that have already been set by by the owners and as such I don't believe it's my place to alter/edit anything already put in place by them.

With regards to the difference between moderators and admin....there's very little difference really. Duties on the forum are identical but admin also take care of administration duties such as the directory listings and validating PLI and PAT uploads etc.

Sorry, I didn't mean "anything"! Thanks for clearing the other admin/mod thing up :)

[DMX Will]

To be perfectly honest ;)

Where does the F come in!? lol in "perFectly"?

[Shaun]

You're welcome. :)

[Marc J]

Where does the F come in!? lol in "perFectly"?

No, it's an extra word...but I'm not allowed to say :D

[rob1963]

I agree that there is absolutely no need for swearing.

I've managed to do well over 700 posts, including some VERY heated debates without feeling the need to use bad language.

Having said this, it's obvious that you will not stop people from swearing, as it's not exactly rare for the moderators to have to delete bad language from posts...despite all the warnings & requests.

I totally agree that the censor needs sorting out, and hope that the person who originally designed it didn't get paid. I never cease to be amazed at some of the words it lets through, and yet it deletes the word d@mn!

If I have something which isn't working properly, I either get it fixed or get a new one.

The censor on this forum isn't working properly.

[Ricesnaps]

Hi Ricey,

I'll explain here.

Several times you posted swear words that had ***'s in place of some of the letters in the word. This contravenes the site rules.

We all make mistakes at times. I urge all of our members to have a quick re-read of the forum rules to see what's acceptable on the forum. Cheers. :approve:

I sort of gathered that, but now my post makes very little sense and I have no way of re-typing it to make sense. Surely there is a better way to do this than just put HUGE RED WORDS in place. I'd love to put it right, but have no way of remembering what it meant now!

[Shaun]

I agree that there is absolutely no need for swearing.

I've managed to do well over 700 posts, including some VERY heated debates without feeling the need to use bad language.



To be fair, no-one has swore outright. It's mainly masked swearing where certain letter's have been replaced by other characters such as **'s. Many may think that this is allowed, but unfortunately it's not. I don't think people are intentionally meaning to break the rules, I'd be intervening more if I thought they were. Up till now the moderating has consisted of removing the content and replacing it with a link that directs to a clarification of the rule infraction. All I'm trying to do is raise awareness to what is and isn't allowed, and hopefully reducing the amount of times I have to bring this subject up.

[Shaun]

I sort of gathered that, but now my post makes very little sense and I have no way of re-typing it to make sense. Surely there is a better way to do this than just put HUGE RED WORDS in place. I'd love to put it right, but have no way of remembering what it meant now!

I'd previously tried to raise awareness by adding a new topic in the forum rules, and I've been continiously repeating the same thing over and over lately to various members. The large red letters were to emphasise the point and help put a stop to the continued use of expletives by members, which it has done. I never intentionally set-out to aggrivate anyone, working on the forum is a thankless job at times. I'm sorry if you feel the action was over the top.

Again, I urge all members to click on 'preview' before they post to make sure that the content is suitable for the forum. This will reduce the likelyhood of your post being moderated. Thanks.

[Jiggles]

Can i just add one thing:

No matter what you do there will aways be people braking rules! Its a fact!

That is my opinion!!! So don't rip my head off!

[Shaun]

Can i just add one thing:

No matter what you do there will aways be people braking rules! Its a fact!

That is my opinion!!! So don't rip my head off!

Which is why all forums have moderators.

[Jiggles]

Which is why all forums have moderators.

Even then they still get broken. Its strange people only follow the ones that the seem fit, agree with them and find that itr seems sutable then forget the rest.

[BeerFunk]

Mountains and molehills come to mind tbpfh Will :eek: :D

To be perfectly honest ;)
If masking letters (but still making the word easily decrypted) is not allowed, then surely this isn't allowed either? Abbreviations which contain an extra 'f' which obviously denotes you-know-what?

Anyway, I agree that swearing is unnecessary and should be censored heavily. I must have made my first mistake recently, as I had the big red letters!! :o

I must say that, going on memory alone, I thought I had used the word 'mince' (Although that might have been in another post)

:)

[Candybeatdiscos]

simple thing to resolve the issue - don't swear, sont put atricks etc into a swear word to beat the censor and get on with it....

think about it this way - we all hate sound limiters - but if DJ's didn't make too much noise in a particular venue ( i mean the cowboy's not responsiable dj's that read this forum) then we wouldn't all get tarred with the same brush and we wouldn't have to deal with the limiters. its the same with swearing.....


or am i talking to myself again.....


memo to self - just shut up lol

[BeerFunk]

simple thing to resolve the issue - don't swear, sont put atricks etc into a swear word to beat the censor and get on with it....

think about it this way - we all hate sound limiters - but if DJ's didn't make too much noise in a particular venue ( i mean the cowboy's not responsiable dj's that read this forum) then we wouldn't all get tarred with the same brush and we wouldn't have to deal with the limiters. its the same with swearing.....


or am i talking to myself again.....


memo to self - just shut up lol
Umm... yeah, I see what you're saying there but, it is hard at times to think what is acceptable and what's not! Obviously the usual words are completely out of bounds, but some may be acceptable to some and not others.

Your sound limiter analogy is good, but it's not the one! (sorry, poor Roy Walker impression :o )

I don't think that it is always the DJ's fault that a limiter is required - sometimes a venue in a built up area have to keep the level so quiet that they really should consider whether they should be hosting discos there at all! Also, a cowboy is unlikely to have as powerful a sound system as a good mobile disco company, so I'm not sure if that's quite true...

Anyway, to recap - no swearing! :)

[DMX Will]

It's all very well saying "don't swear" guys, however hard facts state that members here do swear, and there will ALWAYS be the odd member that pops in a word here and there. This is why I felt the need to start the thread.

This post has been all about saving the Admin team's time and effort, invest some time in getting the filter right, spend less time later editing/deleting posts, and thus making members unhappy because they've been moderated by a person rather than a computer.

[Corabar Steve]

But it's not something that is easily ammemded by the admin, you have to go into the V Buliten programme

[DMX Will]

But it's not something that is easily ammemded by the admin, you have to go into the V Buliten programme

I know in other forum software it couldn't be easier, now I've never used vBulliten, but it can't be that much harder.

I'm not being funny, but surely the administrators (maybe moderators too) should know how to use the forum behind the scenes!

[Shaun]

I'm not being funny, but surely the administrators (maybe moderators too) should know how to use the forum behind the scenes!

Assumptions?.

I can ussure you we do know how to. However, certain vbulletin functions can only be performed by those with the highest CP access privilages (i.e The webmaster and forum owners).

[Corabar Steve]

Assumptions?.

I can ussure you we do know how to. However, certain vbulletin functions can only be performed by those with the highest CP access privilages (i.e The webmaster and forum owners).

True