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PAULCWN
06-12-2007, 08:12 PM
How Powerfull Is Your System?

Danno13
06-12-2007, 09:09 PM
Hi Paul,

Could you please take a minute to post an introduction over in the newbies section.

I don't do Karaoke, so not sure if my answer is relevant here, but my normal rig is 3k.

CRAZY K
06-12-2007, 09:24 PM
How Powerfull Is Your System?

Hello and welcome--mines reasonably loud--1000 WATTS whatever that means.

Better watch your spelling though or the Moderators might send you to--

COVENTRY:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

CRAZY K

A1DL
06-12-2007, 09:25 PM
How Powerfull Is Your System?

Paul

Firstly, welcome to the Forum :beer1:

Secondly, I can see there's a real risk of this becoming a "my daddy is bigger than your daddy" type thread, with everyone talking watts, kilowatts etc - which is pretty meaningless - perhaps you could clarify...

i.e. are you interested in system efficiency (SPLs), or simply how many watts rms everyone has in their amp racks?

Tony

BeerFunk
06-12-2007, 09:46 PM
10 giga-mega-watts

colint
06-12-2007, 09:47 PM
10 giga-mega-watts

That'd be quite loud then! active or pasive? :p

BeerFunk
06-12-2007, 09:49 PM
That'd be quite loud then! active or pasive? :p
Yes, it's louder than anyone else's, and much more expensive! Active or passive..? Both!! :D

colint
06-12-2007, 09:56 PM
I think you may just be pullin legs? cos Callum's got bose an they're really loud! :rolleyes:

PAULCWN
06-12-2007, 09:58 PM
Mine Is Only 500 Watts 2 250 Speakers And 2 150 Is That Going To Be Ok For Karaoke Discos

Jiggles
06-12-2007, 10:00 PM
OI! Leave my BOSE out of this :D

Penfold42
06-12-2007, 10:08 PM
How Powerfull Is Your System?

Hello and welcome...:)

Loud enough for people to hear / dance to and quite enough for people to talk......who want to.......:confused:

Does that answer you question......:)

A1DL
06-12-2007, 10:23 PM
Mine Is Only 500 Watts 2 250 Speakers And 2 150 Is That Going To Be Ok For Karaoke Discos

:confused: (2x250)+(2x150)=800, not 500 :bang:

Vibrant Sounds
06-12-2007, 10:35 PM
I regularly do Karaoke with a couple of 200 watt RMS Mackies, now C200s fed from a PEC 300 watt RMS/channel amp, although previously I used the powered Mackie SRM350s. I find them perfect for vocals.

I also take a sub either a 500 watt RMS passive powered by a 700watt rms amp for bigger venues, or a pair of my Bose B1s powered from a Bose A1 packlite amp, but, I only use the sub for the disco part of the evening, I turn it off for the karaoke.

Solitaire Events Ltd
07-12-2007, 01:02 PM
How Powerfull Is Your System?

Who cares? :p

Excalibur
07-12-2007, 01:12 PM
Who cares? :p

We all should! Let's give the lad the benefit of the doubt that this is a sensible question along the lines of " How much power do I need for Karaoke? ".
In which case, since I assume he means he has 250w per side of amp power, into speakers which can handle 400w, then he has an amply big enough system for Karaoke, and just big enough for most Discos. Hopefully clarification of makes, sizes, ratings will follow, so answers can be tuned to fit.

PS Danno:- Thank heavens you DON'T do Karaoke! I wouldn't want to hear some of the ones I have seen up to now let loose with a 3K system!:eek:

Solitaire Events Ltd
07-12-2007, 01:23 PM
We all should! Let's give the lad the benefit of the doubt that this is a sensible question along the lines of " How much power do I need for Karaoke? ".


Yeah, OK, but why didn't the question say that then?

To me it sounded like "Who's got the biggest willy" ;) And you know we don't like willy waving on here. ;)

flatliners
07-12-2007, 01:26 PM
ruffly about 2100 w at the moment for discos but 4 karaoke about 700 watt

spin mobile disco
07-12-2007, 03:57 PM
normal system is one sub (800wattrms 2400 peak) and 2 mackie c300z at 350 watts rms each 700 peak Max spl is 136 for the sub and 126 for the tops.
Have been considering different tops as I prefer 15's but only if I can find a buyer for my mackies.

Excalibur
07-12-2007, 05:07 PM
Yeah, OK, but why didn't the question say that then?

To me it sounded like "Who's got the biggest willy" ;) And you know we don't like willy waving on here. ;)

Those of us who know there are 3K and 4.5k ones on here wouldn't dare wave anything other than a white flag!:eek:

Twenty years ago, I could only dream of a 1.5K rig, and now that I've got one, it's still too small! Still that's life.:( :(

A1DL
07-12-2007, 05:28 PM
Those of us who know there are 3K and 4.5k ones on here wouldn't dare wave anything other than a white flag!:eek:


Why? :confused: Try waving a couple of stacks of C4 against them instead. That's 600watts rms per side for what its worth.

Corabar Entertainment
07-12-2007, 07:23 PM
ruffly about 2100 w at the moment for discos but 4 karaoke about 700 wattFlatliners: TXT SPK again!!!! - I think you mean 'for' :mad: :mad: :mad:

rob1963
07-12-2007, 08:54 PM
What are we going to do with him Angela?

Corabar Entertainment
07-12-2007, 09:01 PM
:zip: :zip: :zip:

Penfold42
07-12-2007, 09:02 PM
What are we going to do with him Angela?

How about this (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eFhoiVV2JwE&feature=related).....:D

rob1963
07-12-2007, 09:54 PM
Maybe that's a bit harsh!

colint
07-12-2007, 10:45 PM
Angela slaps another wrist! ouch? so glad it's not me!!!! :p

colint
07-12-2007, 10:51 PM
I use a 700watt per channel austin armstrong amp on my mid/hi's and a 1000watt per channel BSS amp on bass,
but both are run into 8ohms so about 2500watts in total & it's used for P.A & disco not that loud by todays standards but sounds really good!

Willy waved now back to the Jamesons!

Corabar Entertainment
07-12-2007, 11:32 PM
Angela slaps another wrist! ouch? so glad it's not me!!!! :pHey! I'm not the one who wants to stone Flatliners! :lol:

rob1963
07-12-2007, 11:36 PM
My system is 300 watts RMS each side at 8 ohms.

However, I don't think the power is important...

...it's how you use it that counts ;)

colint
07-12-2007, 11:42 PM
Hey! I'm not the one who wants to stone Flatliners! :lol:

Ah! Friday night? a nice hot curry, jamesons & a good old fashioned stoning how perfect can life get!!! :)

colint
07-12-2007, 11:49 PM
My system is 300 watts RMS each side at 8 ohms.

However, I don't think the power is important...

...it's how you use it that counts ;)

Correct! and of course the sound quality, my first professional system used a 100watt HH amp (S130) & a citronic hawaii deck but sounded really good, well at the time anyway!

I used this system for about 6 years and always got plenty of work, so in a way your right the mega watt systems are not always the way to go,
if it does what you need and sounds good it's gotta be right!

leighinstoke
08-12-2007, 01:38 AM
1.21 gigawatts since I modified my flux capacitor!

Actually I've no idea as I've never really bothered to work it out - just know it's loud enough for all the venues I do and had no complaints of "turn it up mate".

Guess around 600w or around 1kw depending on what config and ohm-age, etc.

Leigh......

TonyB
08-12-2007, 02:04 AM
Amp outputs are 340w rms total per side (bi-amped) so 680w total going into speakers of 400w a side or 800w total

wigglyrich01
08-12-2007, 03:11 AM
normal system is one sub (800wattrms 2400 peak) and 2 mackie c300z at 350 watts rms each 700 peak Max spl is 136 for the sub and 126 for the tops.
Have been considering different tops as I prefer 15's but only if I can find a buyer for my mackies.
Hi spin
How much are you looking for for those mackies.
I might be interested

spin mobile disco
08-12-2007, 03:23 AM
Ill be bunging them on DJ bids when I have the christmas season out of the way.

Corabar Steve
08-12-2007, 04:19 AM
What are we going to do with him Angela?

I know what I'll bloody do if he doesn't stop! :sj:

My system does this
http://free.of.pl/b/bauhaus/maxell.jpg

Penfold42
08-12-2007, 11:51 AM
Ah! Friday night? a nice hot curry, jamesons & a good old fashioned stoning how perfect can life get!!! :)
Bag of gravel sir!!:D


I know what I'll bloody do if he doesn't stop! :sj:

My system does this
http://free.of.pl/b/bauhaus/maxell.jpg

What clear a room........i do that trumping.......:D

mb3
08-12-2007, 12:16 PM
My small system is 2x90w into 8" speakers... sufficient for small gigs up to 50-60 persons.

My large (!!) system is 2x200w into 10" speakers... sufficient for medium gigs up to 150 approx persons.

As for "willy waving".... I've got a small one. I think it's the cold weather....

Corabar Steve
08-12-2007, 12:20 PM
What clear a room........i do that trumping.......:D
Come on Tony, somebody of your age should remember that ad.

Pierre Le Sound
08-12-2007, 12:44 PM
I use 900, 2.5K or 4.5 RMS depending on venue. Pure Peavey Power of course.

If I really push the boat out, I can run 7.5k if I borrow the gear from the band.:D

rob1963
08-12-2007, 12:46 PM
If I really push the boat out, I can run 7.5k if I borrow the gear from the band.:D

...and can find enough sockets!

mb3
08-12-2007, 12:59 PM
If I really push the boat out, I can run 7.5k if I borrow the gear from the band.:D

Pah.... 7.5 kw is nothing. Read on.........

A cruise ship innovation when it debuted aboard Caribbean Princess in 2004, Princess' "Movies Under the Stars" outdoor theaters have become one of the line's now-signature features, adding an innovative way for passengers to enjoy the latest films, family fare, sporting events, and other special programming while relaxing at the pool. Currently installed aboard Caribbean Princess, Crown Princess, Grand Princess and Sea Princess, the million-dollar screen will also be featured on the upcoming Emerald Princess.

Each state-of-the-art Times Square-style LED (Light Emitting Diode) screen is more than 300 square feet in size with a 69,000-watt sound system and has sufficient lighting power to be seen clearly at mid-day and heard clearly even while the ship is moving at full speed -- offering passengers a movie experience comparable to the best shoreside movie theater.

69kW of sound.... now that is something to hear. I was on Caribbean Princess last January and they were showing a video of a Tina Turner concert.... sensational!

If any mobile DJ can beat 69,000 watts, then he must have a really big.......................



.................. van :eek:

Solitaire Events Ltd
08-12-2007, 01:48 PM
My small system is 2x90w into 8" speakers... sufficient for small gigs up to 50-60 persons.

My large (!!) system is 2x200w into 10" speakers... sufficient for medium gigs up to 150 approx persons.



Not willy waving, but that really does 'sound' underpowered.

I have small P.A.s that are 150w per channel into 8" speakers and I know they wouldn't cope with 50-60 people in a disco situation.

Penfold42
08-12-2007, 02:14 PM
Come on Tony, somebody of your age should remember that ad.
I do indeed...... 2min's 42 seconds in (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3rz2Wgdip4).....


Pah.... 7.5 kw is nothing. Read on.........

A cruise ship innovation when it debuted aboard Caribbean Princess in 2004, Princess' "Movies Under the Stars" outdoor theaters have become one of the line's now-signature features, adding an innovative way for passengers to enjoy the latest films, family fare, sporting events, and other special programming while relaxing at the pool. Currently installed aboard Caribbean Princess, Crown Princess, Grand Princess and Sea Princess, the million-dollar screen will also be featured on the upcoming Emerald Princess.

Each state-of-the-art Times Square-style LED (Light Emitting Diode) screen is more than 300 square feet in size with a 69,000-watt sound system and has sufficient lighting power to be seen clearly at mid-day and heard clearly even while the ship is moving at full speed -- offering passengers a movie experience comparable to the best shoreside movie theater.

69kW of sound.... now that is something to hear. I was on Caribbean Princess last January and they were showing a video of a Tina Turner concert.... sensational!

If any mobile DJ can beat 69,000 watts, then he must have a really big.......................



.................. van :eek:
Now that's big.......:D
Not mobile...unless you live in the sea....:rolleyes: :D

TonyB
08-12-2007, 02:17 PM
Not willy waving, but that really does 'sound' underpowered.

I have small P.A.s that are 150w per channel into 8" speakers and I know they wouldn't cope with 50-60 people in a disco situation.

My old mixer amp (Fender - celebrates its 10th birthday this year) is only 150w a channel and I used to use it with a pair of 250w rms 12" cabs which was plenty loud enough for up to 150 people.

Based on the volume output of the Fender amp, I bought a new amp thats 250w rms per channel thinking it would be louder but in comparison, the loudness is pathetic. Seems like watts are like Mars Bars and get smaller as you get older :)

Silver
08-12-2007, 03:05 PM
Oh yeah, who's the daddy now!!! 3027

Mines bigger than yours!http://planetsmilies.net/xmas-smiley-4625.gif

Adam_F
08-12-2007, 04:01 PM
My system is pretty powerful, seems to beat me at arm wrestling everytime :D

Key2
09-12-2007, 03:41 PM
How Powerfull Is Your System?

We don't do karaoke. I assume that for karaoke, the sound output requirement is less than for a mobile disco set-up, as 'most' others are listening to the singer?

We have one pair of 15" Stageline speakers, each one is 150w rms, and one pair of 12" Ibex speakers, again 150w rms each, so thats 150+150+150+150 and we use a Laney 8-channel mixer amp, which is, apparently, 300w per channel. So I guess that makes our rig a 600 watter!

Now, for the bit that really matters: In all the gigs that we have done, we have only ever had the master sound control turned up to number 4 out of 10.
The sound has been loud enough that we have had to turn it down, but never up! We do gigs in village halls and function rooms with up to 450 in the audience. We bought second-hand, and the 4 speakers plus amp cost a total of £180. Lots of talk on lots of DJ forums about makes, size, price etc.

Horses for courses. All depends on the size of venue and whether or not you want to get into the 'my gear is better than your gear' thing, or do you just want to go out and earn money?


Oh yeah, who's the daddy now!!! 3027

Mines bigger than yours!http://planetsmilies.net/xmas-smiley-4625.gif

Is that Mr. Babbidge?

Solitaire Events Ltd
09-12-2007, 03:47 PM
We do gigs in village halls and function rooms with up to 450 in the audience.

I find it very hard to believe that you could do a gig for 450 people with a 600 Watt rig. That sounds seriously underpowered IMO.

Ans that has nothing to do with willy waving. Just a fact.

mb3
09-12-2007, 03:58 PM
Eeeeehhhh, I remember when we used one of these

http://www.freewebs.com/bedford_audio/August1.jpg

and a H//H 100w (mono) mixer amplifier... plus a H//H 100w (mono) slave, and 4 (2x12" full range) speaker cabinets.

That was enough for the Ainsdale Bar at Pontins, Southport in 1979. The bar held at least 600.

Is the average wattage of a system much higher nowadays because it's needed to drive sub-woofers - or were discos quiter in the late 70's?

Key2
09-12-2007, 04:08 PM
I find it very hard to believe that you could do a gig for 450 people with a 600 Watt rig. That sounds seriously underpowered IMO.

Ans that has nothing to do with willy waving. Just a fact.

Being sensible adults, we shall agree to differ. I know what we use and in what venues (many of which are fitted with sound limiters:eek: ).

Maybe it's 'what' we play? We specialise in 70's and 80's music. The average age of our audience is mid-forties. Maybe if we were trying to impress 18 year olds with dance/trance and loads of bass, then we would need more.

Each to their own. :)

Solitaire Events Ltd
09-12-2007, 04:20 PM
Being sensible adults, we shall agree to differ. I know what we use and in what venues (many of which are fitted with sound limiters:eek: ).

Maybe it's 'what' we play? We specialise in 70's and 80's music. The average age of our audience is mid-forties. Maybe if we were trying to impress 18 year olds with dance/trance and loads of bass, then we would need more.

Each to their own. :)

Not really a case of that. It's not an opinion, it is a fact that a 600w rig is underpowered for 450 people and I'm not talking about blasting people's ears off!

mb3
09-12-2007, 04:21 PM
Maybe it's 'what' we play? We specialise in 70's and 80's music. The average age of our audience is mid-forties. Maybe if we were trying to impress 18 year olds with dance/trance and loads of bass, then we would need more.


That sounds quite probable... I also specialise in playing 60's, 70's and 80's to an audience in their 40's and 50's.

Friday night was a private party with 60 people in a room that takes 120+.

I used a 2x120w (into 8 ohms - 2x200w if running 4 ohms) amp on 5/10 power and two 10" 2 way 8 ohm speakers. When the singers came on (using my PA) they just made the clip lights flicker...

The rest of the time the music was plenty loud enough... one table kept turning the speaker nearest them to face away :bang:

Key2
09-12-2007, 04:21 PM
Eeeeehhhh, I remember when we used one of these

http://www.freewebs.com/bedford_audio/August1.jpg

and a H//H 100w (mono) mixer amplifier... plus a H//H 100w (mono) slave, and 4 (2x12" full range) speaker cabinets.

That was enough for the Ainsdale Bar at Pontins, Southport in 1979. The bar held at least 600.

Is the average wattage of a system much higher nowadays because it's needed to drive sub-woofers - or were discos quiter in the late 70's?

Now that's odd! I was just explaining that we specialise in 70's and 80's stuff.
:confused:

djsteve10
09-12-2007, 05:19 PM
Well i run 3.5k turbosound... i never even run past halfway most of the time... the only time i have ever pushed it was at a corporate ball with 600 people on the dancefloor and it was running flatout

Tom
09-12-2007, 06:28 PM
My usuall rig is only 800 watts total but its runs about 120db which to me is more enough. If i need a but more oomph then u will take me sub which then takes it up to 1.6k but im to sure how much db that will be as i have not measured that yet.

Jays karaoke
10-12-2007, 07:40 AM
I run from 1400w Dynacord desk with 2 300w EV's for smaller rigs for up to 80 people.
My medium rig is the same as above with the EV 350w subs which takes me to 650 watts per side which does up to about 350 people and for larger events and outdoor gigs i run my dynacord 1400w desk with additional EV 2000w amp with 2 300w EV forci i 15's, 2 EV 600w force i 25s and 2 350w forci i subs with a total power output of 2.5k.
Although as long as you have enough power for the venue you are playing at then it does'nt matter how much or little power you have. Theres no point going to a small venue for 60 guests wit 2.5k rig and if some DJs only play at smaller venues then a smaller rig is ok for them where as some DJs obviosly need the extra power every now and again.

Jay

Your Big Event
10-12-2007, 04:08 PM
I've got 1w more than all of you put together
so there !!

Corabar Steve
10-12-2007, 04:24 PM
Wouldn't be a big event without it :sj:

DK Karaoke
11-12-2007, 03:50 PM
My rig is as big as it needs to be to service the size of the venue room, and the number of people who will be attending.

I use only EV's - tops and subs, (passive) and actives (full range) for karaoke, and Wharfedales tops and subs (passive) with monitor speakers carlsbro (active) for disco. Both driven by Dynacord powermate 1600 together with if necessary the Behringer EP2500 amp.

Jays karaoke
12-12-2007, 07:21 AM
How you martin hows the xmas gigs coming along

DK Karaoke
13-12-2007, 06:06 PM
How you martin hows the xmas gigs coming along

Hi Jay, bin very busy, cant keep up with the rush. Am completely booked for all the prime dates, only days left are the mid weakers. In some cases, have nine bookings on the one day!

How bout you?