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Resident Antagonist
Mixing Haze Fluid With Water
I saw a post on Facebook recently of a DJ's setup that had no visible haze, but the beams of light from his movers and lazers can be seen. It looked great, and I wondered what hazer he had to produce haze so fine that it wasn't visible on this video. I use the Chauvet Hurricane 4D and I love the fact that I can put the output on low, the fan on high and leave it on all night and it doesn't look like a social club from the 80s at any point. But to have a non-visible haze, that's the holy grail for me.
Turns out this chap mixes 1 part haze fluid to 10 parts water. Is this a thing? I've never heard of anyone doing that before (maybe I am incredibly sheltered), but if this is a thing, is this not the answer to the smoke alarm issue?
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The real answer is to use a haze with a smaller particle size - not a fazer. Glycol or whatever they put in the fluid is what gives the haze its staying power. Dilute it & you'll shorten how long it sticks around. You might also change the temperature it evaporates at significantly, which might not be good for the machine's guts.
Problem is, real hazers (not foggers using thin fluid with a powerful fan) are expensive.
Here's one I quite fancy myself: http://www.smokemachines.net/buy-pro-hazer.shtml
Edit: I've seen the thread - and the lights that guy uses would show beams pretty much without any haze. He says he does it with a 100 quid fazer - so try DISTILLED watering your machine's fluid down 10 to 1 & see what happens. I don't imagine the hang time will be up to much though.
Last edited by Nakatomi; 09-07-2018 at 09:12 PM.
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Originally Posted by
Nakatomi
The real answer is to use a haze with a smaller particle size - not a fazer. Glycol or whatever they put in the fluid is what gives the haze its staying power. Dilute it & you'll shorten how long it sticks around. You might also change the temperature it evaporates at significantly, which might not be good for the machine's guts.
Problem is, real hazers (not foggers using thin fluid with a powerful fan) are expensive.
Here's one I quite fancy myself:
http://www.smokemachines.net/buy-pro-hazer.shtml
Edit: I've seen the thread - and the lights that guy uses would show beams pretty much without any haze. He says he does it with a 100 quid fazer - so try DISTILLED watering your machine's fluid down 10 to 1 & see what happens. I don't imagine the hang time will be up to much though.
Don't use tap water what ever you do
My roadie loaded distilled water rather than the haze fluid once, it gave the machine a bloody good clean. I think the quality of the fluid is also important. I just use crap QTX stuff (£15-20 for 5 litres i think), but looking on Thomann it gets very expensive when you get into theatre type territory, so try the light one of the best brand and see the difference. Obviously try diluting it first, I get light haze and add a bit of thick haze plus some vanilla scent, works fine for me and lasts months between refilling (vs every week when light only).
The tour grade stuff seems the best option: https://www.thomann.de/gb/fluids.html?oa=prd
As per the machine, my fan broke on the first day (it was a discontinued Gear 4 DJ's product) but it only cost £100, but having a fan in the booth this time of year makes me wonder if I should upgrade it as the case spreads so much better. As linked the pea souper has a good reputation, but so do some of the thomann cheapo brand ones. Not an expert on the hardware though, my main specification is it comes with a decent timer/level remote thing.
Last edited by yourdj; 09-07-2018 at 09:51 PM.
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BTW as for the haze not being visible in Ben Phillips' video.. erm I rather think it is actually.
Remember the million pound drop on telly? I only caught it a couple of times & it had a lovely laser thing going on - gorgeous beams & absolutely no visible haze. But there must've been haze.. so what were they using? That's really the million pound question. I want one of them.
As for Thomann Toby, I've only ever had luck with them shipping indestructible items (like the WRONG FLIGHTCASE) to me. For some reason or other every single box they've sent me arrives almost half disintegrated. For that reason I'm out.
Last edited by Nakatomi; 09-07-2018 at 10:06 PM.
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Originally Posted by
Nakatomi
Remember the million pound drop on telly? I only caught it a couple of times & it had a lovely laser thing going on - gorgeous beams & absolutely no visible haze. But there must've been haze.. so what were they using? That's really the million pound question. I want one of them.
Not far off with 'million pounds'...!
This is the type of hazer used on TV: https://www.thomann.de/gb/mdg_atme_atmosphere.htm
I gave up on haze a couple of years ago. Very few venues allow it, and to do it properly is expensive. Otherwise, it's a fine smoke, and isn't really well received by clients.
I think it's only us DJs who like the beams.
So now I have one less item to carry around, set up and take down, and a nice clean air with no 'haze' hanging around.
And there's no way I'm paying big money for a haze machine - I'll never see that back in an increased fee for the haze.
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Originally Posted by
rth_discos
Not far off with 'million pounds'...!
This is the type of hazer used on TV:
https://www.thomann.de/gb/mdg_atme_atmosphere.htm
I gave up on haze a couple of years ago. Very few venues allow it, and to do it properly is expensive. Otherwise, it's a fine smoke, and isn't really well received by clients.
I think it's only us DJs who like the beams.
So now I have one less item to carry around, set up and take down, and a nice clean air with no 'haze' hanging around.
And there's no way I'm paying big money for a haze machine - I'll never see that back in an increased fee for the haze.
Well, there's no way I'm stumping up 5 grand for a single fixture. As for venues that allow it though I've only met 1 out of a good many up here that don't let hazers run. Some of my clients have specifically asked for beam effects
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