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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Jules View Post
    Agreed Certain demographics are being tempted to allow Uncle Brian to do the photos to save a few quid. Definitely not where you want to target your services though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim - Scotland's Party DJ View Post
    I did gain my PfCO for shooting with a drone earlier int he year, purely to cover my back from being grassed into the CAA for my DJ vids but when I realised how much energy and effort is going to go in to simply maintaining it - x amount of hours logged per month, a tonne of paper work and risk assessments, I'm looking into some other ways to exploit it as it's way too much effort just to catch 10-20 seconds of venue footage at the start of my DJ videos.
    I have a theory - and it's backed up by a few videographer friends of mine - that based on the number of rules and regs being placed on drones (in Canada, you essentially have to have a pilots license to fly a drone!), I reckon that the Government is waiting for a drone to kill someone so they can outright ban them.

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    £750 she'd paid for 2 shooters from makeup to 3rd dance, drone, USB and a few other things!!!
    According to Bridebook, the UK average cost of a Wedding Videographer? Less than a Photographer. That really did make my jaw hot the floor.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim - Scotland's Party DJ View Post
    That's a stupid price before you even take into consideration that amount of hours spent editing.
    Peter reckons that it's only a short job to edit video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim - Scotland's Party DJ View Post

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    £750 she'd paid for 2 shooters from makeup to 3rd dance, drone, USB and a few other things!!! That's a stupid price before you even take into consideration that amount of hours spent editing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Smyth View Post
    Peter reckons that it's only a short job to edit video.
    Peter also reckons that Brummies with big mouths would do well to remember that misquoting grumpy old mods can seriously damage your health.
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    Maybe, just maybe, the average price professional photographers charge has declined is due to increased competition? From, say, DJs?

    I noticed the comment moaning about the availability of all day, all in packages. But, to be fair, that's not much different to a DJ adding on other services such as photography. Maybe I'm old school but I still believe in doing your thing and doing it well, not trying to be a jack of all trades. Also, I know technology is advanced but if I'm going to pay a DJ to also take the photos, wouldn't I be better off just hiring a PA and preloading a set? After all, the DJ wouldn't be spending too much time behind the decks as he'd be too busy out front searching for that extra special shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DazzyD View Post
    Maybe, just maybe, the average price professional photographers charge has declined is due to increased competition? From, say, DJs?

    I noticed the comment moaning about the availability of all day, all in packages. But, to be fair, that's not much different to a DJ adding on other services such as photography. Maybe I'm old school but I still believe in doing your thing and doing it well, not trying to be a jack of all trades. Also, I know technology is advanced but if I'm going to pay a DJ to also take the photos, wouldn't I be better off just hiring a PA and preloading a set? After all, the DJ wouldn't be spending too much time behind the decks as he'd be too busy out front searching for that extra special shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DazzyD View Post
    Maybe, just maybe, the average price professional photographers charge has declined is due to increased competition? From, say, DJs?

    I noticed the comment moaning about the availability of all day, all in packages. But, to be fair, that's not much different to a DJ adding on other services such as photography. Maybe I'm old school but I still believe in doing your thing and doing it well, not trying to be a jack of all trades. Also, I know technology is advanced but if I'm going to pay a DJ to also take the photos, wouldn't I be better off just hiring a PA and preloading a set? After all, the DJ wouldn't be spending too much time behind the decks as he'd be too busy out front searching for that extra special shot.
    I don't know if that was aimed at my plans or a general comment, but to add a bit more detail to my plans, I will be running a Photography business and a DJ business - two separate entities meaning that I will be a DJ or a Photgrapher. Quite frankly, I don't feel I can give either my best if I offer both as a single service and the thought of waking up at 7am and then getting to bed at 3am...stuff that!

    As for increase of competition, I'm not sure I buy that argument. I very much doubt any £4k+ 'togs are going to worry about me, the same that I'm not worried about those offering DJ + Dancefloor + Photobooth + Uplighting + Photography. As a DJ, I offer just a DJ service and none of the extras and I'm not worried about those who are offering them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Smyth View Post
    I will be running a Photography business and a DJ business - two separate entities meaning that I will be a DJ or a Photgrapher.
    I'm sorry Benny, I've now got this vision of you as a Tog lining up the most magnificent shot of the day, when suddenly your inner DJ cottons on to the fact that the DJ has just followed Baby Shark with Cha Cha Slide, and you recoil in horror at his cheesiness/affrontery/incompetence/whatever!


    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Smyth View Post
    Quite frankly, I don't feel I can give either my best if I offer both as a single service and the thought of waking up at 7am and then getting to bed at 3am...stuff that!
    Re one job at a time, I agree wholeheartedly.

    Re your time reservations, wuss!
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    You have to consider that some togs spend tons of time doing editing and touch ups afterwards and heavily promote the album books. I know some others who's style is all relaxed and pretty much unedited pics.

    On first glance I'd of thought comparing hours spent working on a wedding that a photographer would spend more than double the time a DJ would?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeckstarDeluxe View Post
    On first glance I'd of thought comparing hours spent working on a wedding that a photographer would spend more than double the time a DJ would?
    That may turn out to be the case. I'm basing those hours on my (admittedly, limited) experience as a second shooter where I also edit my own photos. As I gain more experience, I may find that my average number of hours is off and will adjust accordingly but for a starting off point, I don't think that I am far off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DazzyD View Post
    Maybe, just maybe, the average price professional photographers charge has declined is due to increased competition? From, say, DJs?

    I noticed the comment moaning about the availability of all day, all in packages. But, to be fair, that's not much different to a DJ adding on other services such as photography. Maybe I'm old school but I still believe in doing your thing and doing it well, not trying to be a jack of all trades. Also, I know technology is advanced but if I'm going to pay a DJ to also take the photos, wouldn't I be better off just hiring a PA and preloading a set? After all, the DJ wouldn't be spending too much time behind the decks as he'd be too busy out front searching for that extra special shot.
    I'm assuming that was aimed at me?

    I think I do a pretty good job with my photos and video - there's a couple of hundred on my website if you're that interested, I'm certainly not just jumping about with my camera on manual and firing up rotten short clips on to YouTube.

    On the flipside, if people are losing work (and they're not, I can't think of a single wedding I've ever done without a tog and the majority have a video tog too) based on guys like me doing half a dozen snaps and a 3 minute video of the evening dancing then they've more problems with their business than anything I've contributed to.
    Last edited by Marc J; 03-10-2019 at 05:14 PM. Reason: correction

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