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    I guess my FBTs must be unique in this scenario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Smyth View Post
    I guess my FBTs must be unique in this scenario.
    Not heard of a single case of CS1000 blowing up yet I'll grant you that. Nor anything else from the Vertus or Ventis range oddly enough.

    X-pro & xlites on the other hand... Virtually everyone I know who's had them couldn't wait to get shot of them. They loved how they sounded (as did I tbh) but couldn't get on with them exploding for some reason...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Excalibur View Post
    You will note that I tempered my prognostications of doom with the proviso that you could be lucky and fit a non OEM part. The bonus is that you may be able to actually upgrade the part by fitting a non original one.


    Or unless you understand what the numbers on the torque ring mean.

    Ooooh Justin! How can you say that? You'll have the fanboys up in arms. Don't you know how reliable* and superb they are?

    * Mind you perhaps " reliable" isn't a suitable adjective for a three year old bass bin that's on its third amp module, and second driver. Its most impressive trick was blowing an amp when it wasn't even powered on! Yes Justin, I too know of FBT cabs which have been less than bulletproof.
    Thank you Justin and Peter for updating me on the active speaker scenario which I never quite got into, only briefly with a pair of old EVs which Daz sold me years ago
    and which worked fine until one night one stopped working, sounded sweet for lower volume events.

    Offloaded to a friend for 50.

    As an official sound dinosaur I still like my passive Peavey set up despite the weight which I can live with, just have to keep replacing the overseas Amps
    which cant keep up with my Corby Factory produced Peavey speakers.

    Corby is in Northants for those who dont know.

    I believe Dynacord produce some really excellent equipment according to a local Musician --pity I cant afford it just now!

    Bit shocked about FBT as I was told they were brilliant by a friend who is a DJ, however maybe thats just the sound when they are actually working.

    Going to get out the powered driver carefully and have a go, many thanks Justin for the detailed plan, pleased to confirm driver is not set for taking wheel nuts off cars

    Will report back, thanks again,

    ALAN

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nakatomi View Post
    Not heard of a single case of CS1000 blowing up yet I'll grant you that. Nor anything else from the Vertus or Ventis range oddly enough.

    X-pro & xlites on the other hand... Virtually everyone I know who's had them couldn't wait to get shot of them. They loved how they sounded (as did I tbh) but couldn't get on with them exploding for some reason...
    I can not disagree with your findings. Much the same as my experience.

    Quote Originally Posted by CRAZY K View Post
    Corby is in Northants for those who dont know.

    Bit shocked about FBT as I was told they were brilliant by a friend who is a DJ, however maybe thats just the sound when they are actually working.
    They undoubtedly have the greatest number of afficionados eager to proclaim their virtues. They do indeed sound very very nice. As alluded to above though, I believe certain models are a tad " brittle", and prone to failure.
    My favourites are the J series, and possibly the new J Max ( which I haven't heard yet ).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Excalibur View Post
    I can not disagree with your findings. Much the same as my experience.



    They undoubtedly have the greatest number of afficionados eager to proclaim their virtues. They do indeed sound very very nice. As alluded to above though, I believe certain models are a tad " brittle", and prone to failure.
    My favourites are the J series, and possibly the new J Max ( which I haven't heard yet ).
    I like how most fbt speakers sound - and indeed rcf etc but I much prefer a less stylised look... which is how I came to splurge 1600 quid on my RCF HD12A tops. I wasn't about to gamble on the newer Altos - and lower end Ev & Yamahas are best avoided... Brittle amplifier syndrome again (not forgetting abject lying specs).

    Apparently the 'look' of rcf & fbt lines is dictated by their American market preferring cabinets that look like baboon's backsides rather than a nice sleek flat front. Sigh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nakatomi View Post
    I like how most fbt speakers sound - and indeed rcf etc but I much prefer a less stylised look... which is how I came to splurge 1600 quid on my RCF HD12A tops. I wasn't about to gamble on the newer Altos - and lower end Ev & Yamahas are best avoided... Brittle amplifier syndrome again (not forgetting abject lying specs).

    Apparently the 'look' of rcf & fbt lines is dictated by their American market preferring cabinets that look like baboon's backsides rather than a nice sleek flat front. Sigh.
    As a passive speaker dinousar what is BAS Brittle Amplifier Syndrome?

    Is this a Class D amp in an Active Cab that breaks down due to being gigged hard from town to town getting chucked about in cars and vans?

    I thought EV would have been pretty sturdy---not that I have much experience of these makes other than some old EVs of mine which started playing up ( fair enough) and listening to an Elvis performer who was using Yamaha tops effectively enough.

    The more I read about this the more im sticking to passives and expendable Chinese and Indonesian amps, although I dont know where my newly acquired
    slave amp by Citronic is made

    thanks

    ALAN

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nakatomi View Post
    The rear panel on Alto TS series cabs is a bit of a doddle to remove - just take all the screws out around the edges - they're all just normal posi ones. Now, be careful when lifting the amp plate out because there are cables running to the woofer & tweeter. Unplug the cables going to the speakers, noting which colours go where.

    Getting at the fan is fairly straightforward. Locate the red & black cable the fan is powered from & unplug it from the amplifier module. Make a careful note of where it plugs into. Then you can undo four little screws to remove the amplifier from the plate it's mounted on.. and then you should be able to get at the fan unhindered. It's a 60mm 12 volt fan & just about any of the same dimensions will do (I'd buy one from RS components if I were you, not ebay!). If you have a 12 volt power supply you can test the fan on, try that to determine if it's the problem.

    By the sounds of things, the fan not working is the most likely cause of your operator's woes.

    As for my views on Alto cabs.. the TS1xx series were amazingly good value for money if you treated them right. The woofers didn't like mechanical shocks & they sure as heck don't stand up to people running the cab on the limiter for long. With an upgraded driver from Blue Aran they can sound pretty punchy but the downside is a woofer with a decent power capacity weighs a darn sight more than the original factory fitted one. For a budget cab (I bought my TS115A ages ago for 400 including stands - the pair!) they're amazing. But are they GOOD? Hmmmm not really.

    I've kept my TS115As on as backup for my RCF HD12As - I sold my SRM450 mk1s on the day after the RCFs arrived. I'm planning to upgrade the woofers in the altos by the end of the year though, just so they can take a bit more POWAH
    Hi there, problems.

    Got to removing the four screws holding the amplifier to the mounting frame, however that doesnt give direct access to the fan.

    It requires the further removal of six further screws which hold the bottom of the amp casing to the upper casing, also can see the fan is held by a further 4 screws that are not accessible without removing the bottom section.

    I can get external access without further messing about to the red and black thin wires that are the fan connection wires.

    I am considering cutting these baring them and putting 12 volts across them to see if the fan rotates.

    If it does work then its clearly something more complicated beyond my skills, if it doesnt work then hopefully further deassembling of the unit giving access to the fan FOR REPLACEMENT will be worthwhile.

    Does this sound like a plan?

    How would you put 12 volts across the fan?

    I dont have any batteries but my local garage probably could do it for me as they work on 12 volts for cars of course.

    I suppose I could use jump leads from my car battery ?

    Advice appreciated.

    many thanks,

    ALAN

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    A fan will likely run from a 9v battery so if you can contrive something with some paper clips to shove into the connector (to save cutting wires) try that. Or, I've been known to use a 12v mains adapter like one for my radio mic... Just make sure it's actually 12v with a multimeter before using it to test the fan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nakatomi View Post
    A fan will likely run from a 9v battery so if you can contrive something with some paper clips to shove into the connector (to save cutting wires) try that. Or, I've been known to use a 12v mains adapter like one for my radio mic... Just make sure it's actually 12v with a multimeter before using it to test the fan
    Well I got the amp section dismantled, four more screws than anticipated and had to drill and hacksaw a slot in one screw as it would NOT turn
    ---aaargh Chinese Products.

    Did my apprenticeship on this rubbish repairing cars in the 60s whilst enjoying the music of the era !!!!!!

    Did a 12volt test and fan appears dead, going to my garage for a 12 volt double check.

    Pic enclosed.

    Are these likely to be standard size screw fixings and 12v with wattage 0.34amps ?

    I will probably go to RS components and pick up at Counter in Corby to make sure.

    Any advice on purchasing ?

    Many thanks,

    ALAN
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nakatomi View Post
    X-pro & xlites on the other hand... Virtually everyone I know who's had them couldn't wait to get shot of them. They loved how they sounded (as did I tbh) but couldn't get on with them exploding for some reason...
    My Xlites are 3 years old now and 280 gigs in, and never a blip, I must be lucky. I never peak them though.
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