I've still got a couple in the diary for August and I can actually see one of them happening (it was a small crowd anyway). I think the government are currently fighting to strike a balance between health and business with the hospitality and entertainment industries lobbying hard to relax restrictions and throw them a lifeline so, if we do get any guidance, it's likely to be a last minute decision (as we've seen with guidance for schools, NHS, etc).Originally Posted by Imagine
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There's no point in opening the pubs until they start the weddings off again.
Without an income, wedding suppliers cannot visit those pubs and I think that I'm not in a unique position in our industry when I say that I'm pretty confident that my three local pubs won't survive without my contributions to their turnovers.
Mine certainly won't (and it's about to have new landlords once they're allowed to open).There's no point in opening the pubs until they start the weddings off again.
Without an income, wedding suppliers cannot visit those pubs and I think that I'm not in a unique position in our industry when I say that I'm pretty confident that my three local pubs won't survive without my contributions to their turnovers.
I've got 45 pints of very strong bitter just ready to drink as of today, and another 40 of lager bubbling away in the garden shed for when the bitter runs dry in a couple of weeks time
My wine guy is out of prosecco and I'm currently finishing my last bottle on the hot tub as I type
I don't even want to think how many cases I've battered through during lockdown. I counted 11 empty boxes going in the recycling bin and that wasn't all of them plus it was about 6 weeks ago
Tell me about it. Sainsbury's (who I now work for doing online deliveries) have their buy 6 get 25% off offer at the moment.....I'm convinced that the population of Cambridgeshire has a problem from what I'm delivering at the moment.My wine guy is out of prosecco and I'm currently finishing my last bottle on the hot tub as I type
I don't even want to think how many cases I've battered through during lockdown. I counted 11 empty boxes going in the recycling bin and that wasn't all of them plus it was about 6 weeks ago
Anyhooo....today's announcements...
'twould appear that lockdown is over folks, unless you own an indoor gym, swimming pool (surely the chlorine kills things doesn't it?), an indoor play centre, a nail bar or make your living as a DJ.
I can foresee that we're off the road for a long time to come yet sadly
The "official" publication will come out tomorrow and I'll be studying the small print with great interest, but the general impression I'm getting at the moment is that the boffins are convinced that what we do will cause a second spike once things get a little chillier and if we start singing and hugging again.
I'm really confused on the rules now.
At the moment it looks like you can marry, and potentially have the wedding brekky with lot of rules in place, but the evening party is out of the question. More worryingly, there's no guidance/estimate on when our part of things might be able to resume!
Several of my delivery customers are absolutely desperate for a garden party (social distancing rules etc. will apply), but you still can't have more than 6 people outside, or 30 at a wedding (if that's in a place of worship?). Although two households of any size can meet up and even sleep over so long as 2m/1m+ is observed if 2m isn't possible and the wind's blowing in the right direction and it's not snowing, and you can't hug unless you're in some sort of bubble fluid and singing Mr Brightside isn't allowed.
The honourable experts (CSO and CMO) were uncomfortable on last night's briefing, and seem to be convinced that a second spike will come. It was even alluded to that they're going to think themselves grateful if things return to proper normal by next spring! Add to that, a "task force" has now been set up for the likes of us and theatres and it's looking pretty bleak
Anyone want to simplify the rules for me?
Yeah. Hibernate.
That's about right. No live music/entertainment allowed at the moment.Tell me about it. Sainsbury's (who I now work for doing online deliveries) have their buy 6 get 25% off offer at the moment.....I'm convinced that the population of Cambridgeshire has a problem from what I'm delivering at the moment.
Anyhooo....today's announcements...
'twould appear that lockdown is over folks, unless you own an indoor gym, swimming pool (surely the chlorine kills things doesn't it?), an indoor play centre, a nail bar or make your living as a DJ.
I can foresee that we're off the road for a long time to come yet sadly
The "official" publication will come out tomorrow and I'll be studying the small print with great interest, but the general impression I'm getting at the moment is that the boffins are convinced that what we do will cause a second spike once things get a little chillier and if we start singing and hugging again.
I'm really confused on the rules now.
At the moment it looks like you can marry, and potentially have the wedding brekky with lot of rules in place, but the evening party is out of the question. More worryingly, there's no guidance/estimate on when our part of things might be able to resume!
Several of my delivery customers are absolutely desperate for a garden party (social distancing rules etc. will apply), but you still can't have more than 6 people outside, or 30 at a wedding (if that's in a place of worship?). Although two households of any size can meet up and even sleep over so long as 2m/1m+ is observed if 2m isn't possible and the wind's blowing in the right direction and it's not snowing, and you can't hug unless you're in some sort of bubble fluid and singing Mr Brightside isn't allowed.
The honourable experts (CSO and CMO) were uncomfortable on last night's briefing, and seem to be convinced that a second spike will come. It was even alluded to that they're going to think themselves grateful if things return to proper normal by next spring! Add to that, a "task force" has now been set up for the likes of us and theatres and it's looking pretty bleak
Anyone want to simplify the rules for me?
30 wedding guests allowed in places of worship only and no actual wedding reception allowed, apart from existing rules i.e. 6 in your back garden or another family only in your house.
Interestingly singing in church also not allowed.
Assuming the 'R' rate remains low and Joe Public do follow the guidance, the next battle for the Government will be the 2020/21 football season and the prospect of clubs going out of business because of no season ticket income.....In addition, many clubs rely on corporate hospitality and functions to bolster their income.
My money remains on a further September easing to include music subject to keeping the infection rate under some sort or control.
Bristol is probably worse. We're a city with a drinking problem, but still nowhere near as bad as Scotland
This is the clearest I've found so far. There's additional guidance for specific businesses in the guides for them and, as of 4th July, they boil down to:
- Pubs, restaurants, hotels, holiday parks, cinemas and hairdressers can re-open
- Nightclubs, theatres, nail bars and beauty salons can't
- You can meet with one other household at a time, indoors, outdoors, at your house/in a pub/restaurant/etc
- Meeting with more than one other household at a time is not allowed - if you're in a public place you shouldn't socialise with other households (pubs are going to be fun places huh?)
- You can travel and stay away from home, as long as it is not with more than one other household
- Gatherings of more than 30 people are still against the law
- Wedding ceremonies of up to 30 people are allowed. Receptions are not allowed.
- Parties or functions that bring together people from more than 2 households are not allowed
- Music and live performances that are likely to cause people to break social distancing rules or need to raise their voices (and that is either the performer or the audience) are not allowed.
The guidance for pubs and restaurants is open for interpretation as usual. Basically, you can have entertainment as long as it does not significantly increase the risk of transmission by causing people to mingle or need to raise their voices or sing (because as you get closer and aspirate more air, transmission rates go up and if you're in a loud environment you tend to move closer and speak louder to be heard). Some pubs are going to read that and think it's fine to have a jukebox/DJ as long as it's low volume, others are going to take a considered approach and weigh up how many punters the entertainment is going to bring and think about whether it's worth the cost and risk, others are planning grand re-openings and bringing in a DJ regardless and then there's probably lots who can't even be bothered to read the guidelines. Chains (who were tight with their entertainment budgets anyway) appear to be canning entertainment for now.
So entertainment is fine, as long as it's quiet enough that people don't have to raise their voices and they're not likely to be inclined to sing or mingle OR there are environmental protections in place to prevent transmission. I'm thinking that this is what weddings will look like in 2021...
The daily briefings have stopped as of yesterday so we're now going to have to wait it out for when the guidelines change to allow more intermingling and larger gatherings. There's no set date for the next phase of relaxing the rules (we don't have another publicly declared milestone like the 15th June or 4th July). Restrictions are relaxing at a good speed now but, crucially, there is no certainty or any dates for couples trying to plan weddings for later this year.
Julian
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https://assets.publishing.service.go...ays-230620.pdfBristol is probably worse. We're a city with a drinking problem, but still nowhere near as bad as Scotland
This is the clearest I've found so far. There's additional guidance for specific businesses in the guides for them and, as of 4th July, they boil down to:
- Pubs, restaurants, hotels, holiday parks, cinemas and hairdressers can re-open
- Nightclubs, theatres, nail bars and beauty salons can't
- You can meet with one other household at a time, indoors, outdoors, at your house/in a pub/restaurant/etc
- Meeting with more than one other household at a time is not allowed - if you're in a public place you shouldn't socialise with other households (pubs are going to be fun places huh?)
- You can travel and stay away from home, as long as it is not with more than one other household
- Gatherings of more than 30 people are still against the law
- Wedding ceremonies of up to 30 people are allowed. Receptions are not allowed.
- Parties or functions that bring together people from more than 2 households are not allowed
- Music and live performances that are likely to cause people to break social distancing rules or need to raise their voices (and that is either the performer or the audience) are not allowed.
The guidance for pubs and restaurants is open for interpretation as usual. Basically, you can have entertainment as long as it does not significantly increase the risk of transmission by causing people to mingle or need to raise their voices or sing (because as you get closer and aspirate more air, transmission rates go up and if you're in a loud environment you tend to move closer and speak louder to be heard). Some pubs are going to read that and think it's fine to have a jukebox/DJ as long as it's low volume, others are going to take a considered approach and weigh up how many punters the entertainment is going to bring and think about whether it's worth the cost and risk, others are planning grand re-openings and bringing in a DJ regardless and then there's probably lots who can't even be bothered to read the guidelines. Chains (who were tight with their entertainment budgets anyway) appear to be canning entertainment for now.
So entertainment is fine, as long as it's quiet enough that people don't have to raise their voices and they're not likely to be inclined to sing or mingle OR there are environmental protections in place to prevent transmission. I'm thinking that this is what weddings will look like in 2021...
The daily briefings have stopped as of yesterday so we're now going to have to wait it out for when the guidelines change to allow more intermingling and larger gatherings. There's no set date for the next phase of relaxing the rules (we don't have another publicly declared milestone like the 15th June or 4th July). Restrictions are relaxing at a good speed now but, crucially, there is no certainty or any dates for couples trying to plan weddings for later this year.
Julian
And the main quote ' At this time, venues should not permit live performances, including drama, comedy and music, to take place in front of a live audience'.
Last edited by East Anglian Discos; 24-06-2020 at 07:32 AM.
Devil's advocate mode engaged> Younger readers will not remember the " Keep music live " campaign from many years ago. Last time I checked, I only pressed play on the equipment, I didn't sing, or " do a Nigel". According to the letter of the rules, Nigel bashing out a few chords, and Karaoke are banned. Everything else is fair game. <Devil's advocate mode disengaged.
For our younger readers, who don't remember Nigel ( and his later incarnations ) just be thankful.
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