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    Quote Originally Posted by PropellerHeadCase View Post
    Rob, in what way was the design brief not followed?

    Whilst I take on board what you are saying about the info I won't be able to edit it down that much. The informative side of the site is kinda the point - I want people to feel informed and, unlike you guys, I'm not excpecting any person to want or need to try and read the whole thing.

    The Events and Weddings pages (and sub-sections on some of the pages), for example, are pretty much mutually exclusive.

    I suspect that breaking it up with pics will help, once I have some.

    Bear in mind, also, that we've all just recently been talking about people who would rather not deal with us by phone, so if I answer all of their questions...
    Al,

    I think the "Simple" part of the design brief was the bit that wasn't followed.

    You have 14 web pages, and a ton of info to wade through on many of them.

    For example, your "packages" page involves loads of scrolling, and if it was on a piece of paper, would be about 7 feet long!

    How long will it take people to wade through all that just to get details of the packages available? and how many of them will be prepared to take the time to do so?

    I understand you are trying to answer all possible questions, but I think this will be counter-productive, and feel you can give all relevant information with much less content.

    For example, my own site only has about 20% of the content of yours, but the vast majority of people who contact me are simply wanting to know about availability. I take it, therefore, that everything else they want to know is on the site.

    I also agree that some pics will help to break things up a bit.

    Please don't think I'm having a dig, I'm just giving my honest opinion.

    After all, Marc J is the website expert, and if he likes it, you MUST be doing something right!


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    Quote Originally Posted by vectisvibe View Post
    Wordy is good - google likes that.
    But do CLIENTS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob1963 View Post
    But do CLIENTS?

    The key is to get the stuff most relevant to clients into the first two paragraphs... 'above the fold' ... ie no scrolling required. Put all the waffle below. Then, if anyone wishes to read on, they can.

    I took an approach whereby I shortened some lengthy pages by having a "Tell me More" graphic at the bottom. Essentially two pages, the second (long) one with a bookmark embedded in it. Seems to work. Most customers hit the short version with the important message. Some go on to read further.

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    Yes, Vectis, believe it or not, I've somewhat worked along the same lines. The pages that I feel are 'pique their interest' pages will be one screen with little if any scrolling, see 'Your Event', 'Your Wedding' and 'Your Music'. 'Solutions' and 'Frequently Asked' on the other hand are necessarily informational, so I think people would expect to have a bit to read. (Do note that on 'Frequently Asked' the latter two-thirds is related to and linked from the first question).

    Rob, I don't take it as a dig, and I appreciate the time you've taken to give the feedback. I disgree with you on one point - "Simple" was followed as far as the design is concerned, your complaint is with the content which is down to me.

    The "Packages" page has all of the packages listed in the first viewable page with a precis of what they cover - they link to further down the page which gives the full description. When I originally wrote it I had the individual packages on individual pages linked from the packages main page.

    Do I have more pages or keep the one, longer page? If I have more pages do I have links for all of them on the menu-bar on the left? Dilemma.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PropellerHeadCase View Post
    Yes, Vectis, believe it or not, I've somewhat worked along the same lines. The pages that I feel are 'pique their interest' pages will be one screen with little if any scrolling, see 'Your Event', 'Your Wedding' and 'Your Music'. 'Solutions' and 'Frequently Asked' on the other hand are necessarily informational, so I think people would expect to have a bit to read. (Do note that on 'Frequently Asked' the latter two-thirds is related to and linked from the first question).

    Rob, I don't take it as a dig, and I appreciate the time you've taken to give the feedback. I disgree with you on one point - "Simple" was followed as far as the design is concerned, your complaint is with the content which is down to me.

    The "Packages" page has all of the packages listed in the first viewable page with a precis of what they cover - they link to further down the page which gives the full description. When I originally wrote it I had the individual packages on individual pages linked from the packages main page.

    Do I have more pages or keep the one, longer page? If I have more pages do I have links for all of them on the menu-bar on the left? Dilemma.
    Al,

    I guess the thing to do is to see how well it works for you & to get as much feedback as possible...then take things from there.

    Marc J is a web design expert & someone I have great faith in, and he said he likes it, so if I was you I'd take more note of his opinion than mine!


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    Thanks for the kind words guys

    There is a lot of content but, as Vectis says, Google likes content! I generally agree with all the comments re reader targetted content first, then the rest followed (for the reader to scoll if they want to, and for Google). Alternatively you can "hide" content behind "tell me more" links like Vectis suggests.

    Have to admit I didn't notice the lack of TITLE tags (or rather, the single use). I'd change that as a priority.

    I also like Vectis' idea of splitting the site in two - UK and NZ. This could be fairly easy to do with a selection page first, and by very simple use of a cookie you could give the option to "remember me". Altenatively two flags at, say, the top right so the user can switch at any time. This could all be very easily done with a little PHP code, I've done a similar thing for a client who had 4 translations of his site. If the structure of the two halves is the same, and it's just the page content that changes, then it could be done very easily with Server Side Includes for the main content area.

    One quick niggle - I'd put a white background colour in the table cell for the main content. If the page is a little slow in loading, the blue text appears against a blue background and catches your eye for a sec.

    Very professional looking, informative site though.
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    All good points, Marc, and things I will certainly consider however I have a very small budget so I can't split NZ/UK to begin with. Also I will be advertising on expat Kiwi sites in the UK as that's my initial niche whilst I'm getting established so I really want to portray that.

    I agree on the background should be the silver/grey, not purple during loading.

    Are you suggesting that the <titles> should be more contextual to the page content?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PropellerHeadCase View Post
    Are you suggesting that the <titles> should be more contextual to the page content?
    Yes, the page title should be relevant to the content. You can include "The Music Man" and / or "DJ Alan Duval" in the titles of each page if you like, but the general consensus is that the relevant part should be first, so something like: -

    Homepage :: The Music Man - DJ Alan Duval
    Your Wedding :: The Music Man - DJ Alan Duval
    Your Music :: The Music Man - DJ Alan Duval

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    Ahh, gotcha - cheers!
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    I think it looks really good and would give me confidence that i was dealing with a professional.

    My only suggestion - which is really to get the hits from the google searches is to put more linked words that relate 'Bath', 'Avon' and 'Disco' and 'Wedding Disco' and similar so that you get the hits from people searching for 'discos in bath' and similar. I googled these and did not find you on the first three pages which is as far most people will look.

    (Words from he who has has been planning his website for 6 months now but has done nothing more than reserve the site name....!)

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