New Year's resolutions

[Excalibur]

OK, so we've done most of the Xmas presents to each other, in the spirit of keping ahead of the game:- New Year's Resolutions. I'll start the spherical object moving

1. Not to highlight Rob's shortcomings in the Peavey speaker carrying department. :sorry:
2. Not to refer to the new Class-D speakers when Steve may be watching, in case I get a pair before he does. ;)
3. To let Darren product test the Mk6 Chobham, with integral speaker stands.;)
Eagerly awaiting yours ;)

[Excalibur]

Not a lot of action here. I'll put it down to pressure of work, rather than lack of wit.

Another has surfaced.

Self: Push forward release date for Mk6 Chobham, as Steve needs one as well!:sofa:

[PropellerHeadCase]

1) You know, maybe, after everything else, with no equivocating whatsoever, and in a timely manner... stop procrastinating!

[Excalibur]

1) You know, maybe, after everything else, with no equivocating whatsoever, and in a timely manner... stop procrastinating!

I was going to give a snappy reply to this, but it will have to wait!:D :D

[PropellerHeadCase]

Oh well, I guess I better wait for your reply, then, you know, rather than compiling CDs or feeding my daughter or whatever.

[UltraBeat Entertainment]

Mine will be: Get More Booking, Improve Roadshow. Simple:p

[Corabar Steve]

I think I'll try not to loose my rag with morons who don't know the difference between thing & think.

I think something is wrong with those who use somethink on anythink, when the thing to be used is thing.:sj: (it gets even better when it's spoken & the th becomes an f)http://smilies.vidahost.com/contrib/scorchio/smad.gifhttp://smilies.vidahost.com/contrib/scorchio/sevil.gif

[rob1963]

Following on from Steve's resolution, I'll try to not get so wound up when people use that pathetic Americanism "gotten" when they actually mean "got"

There is no such word as gotten in England, so why waste time adding 3 unnecessary letters to the correct word?

:shrug: :bang: :bang: :bang:

[Dragonfly]

cut all my leads to the right length and velcro/cable tie them to my new ultimax rig when it arrives hopefully this week !!!

stick to pricing and not be so flippin sick makingly nice to people and run my business to make money.

[Tom]

i have a 3 for 2008

1. Try to control my temper around family members
2. Use the mic more often instead of avoiding it.
3. Try not to get addicted to ebay.

[PropellerHeadCase]

Following on from Steve's resolution, I'll try to not get so wound up when people use that pathetic Americanism "gotten" when they actually mean "got"

There is no such word as gotten in England, so why waste time adding 3 unnecessary letters to the correct word?

:shrug: :bang: :bang: :bang:

Do you want to let Robert Louis Stevenson know?

"Ill-gotten" (as in gains) shows up a fair bit in his and other classic prose by both English and Scottish writers.

Gotten is actually an Anglicism that has fallen into disuse in the Queen's English - the American's didn't invent it, they've just continued to use it.

Just like the '-ize' suffix was used by the English up to the advent of WWII, and fell into relative disuse following the war. That said the Oxford Dictionary uses -ize for preference except where the word has a French etymology, like 'advertise'.

Also 'Aluminum' is what the element was originally called - the 'i' that causes so much contention was actually added after the fact so that 'aluminum' fitted in with all of the other '-ium's.

Will that make your resolution easier, Rob?

[Penfold42]

cut all my leads to the right length and velcro/cable tie them to my new ultimax rig when it arrives hopefully this week !!!

stick to pricing and not be so flippin sick makingly nice to people and run my business to make money.

You don't want a lot do you.....:D

Mine.....be more sly!!:p
Give up the coffers (ciggies)....again...:(
Diet........
Try and make people in Licolnshire dance and have a good time......:eek: :eek:


Break all those in January.......:D :D :D

[Dragonfly]

You don't want a lot do you.....:D

Mine.....be more sly!!:p
Give up the coffers (ciggies)....again...:(
Diet........
Try and make people in Licolnshire dance and have a good time......:eek: :eek:


Break all those in January.......:D :D :D

Tony I think its better to set realistic Goals :D :D :D :D :D

[Sam]

I have a few!
1) Apply and get in to a commercial pilot training centre
2) Get As fr all my a levels
3) Learn to fly bloody big jets
4) get a job as a pilot at the end of it all =)

[rob1963]

Do you want to let Robert Louis Stevenson know?

Well.....I tried phoning to inform him, but I was told he's dead!


"Ill-gotten" (as in gains) shows up a fair bit in his and other classic prose by both English and Scottish writers.

Ahhhhh...but I wasn't referring to ill-gotten gains...just mis-informed people in England incorrectly using "gotten" when they mean "got".

We don't talk about the hood or trunk of our station wagon or sedan, and we don't drive around traffic circles, nor do we have cars with stick transmission.

Until all that changes, it's got, not gotten!

[Tom]

I have a few!
1) Apply and get in to a commercial pilot training centre
2) Get As fr all my a levels
3) Learn to fly bloody big jets
4) get a job as a pilot at the end of it all =)

so you want to be a dancer??? ;)

[PropellerHeadCase]

Ahhhhh...but I wasn't referring to ill-gotten gains...just mis-informed people in England incorrectly using "gotten" when they mean "got".

We don't talk about the hood or trunk of our station wagon or sedan, and we don't drive around traffic circles, nor do we have cars with stick transmission.

Until all that changes, it's got, not gotten!

But all of those examples ARE Americanisms/colloquialisms whereas 'gotten' is perfectly good, if old-fashioned, English. If you rail against that you'll also have to firebomb every "Ye Olde Shoppe" you can find, and whilst I might agree to help you on that score (purely for the naffness of it), it might take a while.

Furthermore, 'What have you gotten into' sounds better than the alternative you suggest, to my ears anyway, you misbegotten son-of-a-{sorry, forgotten what that last word's supposed to be}.

Let the colonial upstart jokes begin... again.

[CRAZY K]

OK, so we've done most of the Xmas presents to each other, in the spirit of keping ahead of the game:- New Year's Resolutions. I'll start the spherical object moving

1. Not to highlight Rob's shortcomings in the Peavey speaker carrying department. :sorry:
2. Not to refer to the new Class-D speakers when Steve may be watching, in case I get a pair before he does. ;)
3. To let Darren product test the Mk6 Chobham, with integral speaker stands.;)
Eagerly awaiting yours ;)

Well after your remarks about locals in your area and paying more money---

No Bookings in Yorkshire

No Bookings in Lincolnshire either--after Dragonflys remarks:eek: :eek: :eek:

That only leaves the rest of the England:D :D :D

CRAZY K

[PropellerHeadCase]

Oh, it's a hard life, Alan.


Did anyone realise that the tradition of the New Year's resolution coupled with Credit Card bills are the reasons for a spike in cases of depression in late January/early February?

[rob1963]

Ahhhhh...but I wasn't referring to ill-gotten gains...just mis-informed people in England incorrectly using "gotten" when they mean "got".

We don't talk about the hood or trunk of our station wagon or sedan, and we don't drive around traffic circles, nor do we have cars with stick transmission.

Until all that changes, it's got, not gotten!


But all of those examples ARE Americanisms/colloquialisms whereas 'gotten' is perfectly good, if old-fashioned, English. If you rail against that you'll also have to firebomb every "Ye Olde Shoppe" you can find, and whilst I might agree to help you on that score (purely for the naffness of it), it might take a while.

With all due respect, Al, I think this is completely wrong.

"Gotten" is certainly NOT perfectly good English...no more so than the other Americanisms I gave as examples.

My Oxford dictionary confirms this, as it gives the definition of gotten as "US past part. of get"

I assume US refers to the United states of AMERICA.

If so, then I rest my case...

...but if not, you will have my apology.

[PropellerHeadCase]

Yes, US, because it has fallen into relative disuse in the UK as compared to the UK. It was standard English before that, just like many "Americanisms" are actually 'English anachronisms'. How do you suppose forgotten and misbegotten, as used in my previous post, got into the language in the first place?

Wikipedia:
English words that survived in the United States: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_English)
A number of words and meanings that originated in Middle English or Early Modern English and that always have been in everyday use in the United States dropped out in most varieties of British English; some of these have cognates in Lowland Scots. Terms such as fall ("autumn"), pavement (to mean "road surface", where in Britain, as in Philadelphia, it is the equivalent of "sidewalk"),[18] faucet, diaper, candy, skillet, eyeglasses, crib (for a baby), obligate, and raise a child are often regarded as Americanisms. Gotten (past participle of get) is often considered to be an Americanism, although there are some areas of Britain, such as Lancashire and Yorkshire, that still continue to use it and sometimes also use putten as the past participle for put.

...and more Wiki:
American and British English differences: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_differences)
The past participle gotten is rarely used in modern BrE (although it is used in some dialects), which generally uses got, except in old expressions such as ill-gotten gains. According to the Compact Oxford English Dictionary, "The form gotten is not used in British English but is very common in North American English, though even there it is often regarded as non-standard." In AmE, gotten emphasizes the action of acquiring and got tends to indicate simple possession (for example, Have you gotten it? versus Have you got it?). Gotten is also typically used in AmE as the past participle for phrasal verbs using get, such as get off, get on, get into, get up, and get around: If you hadn't gotten up so late, you might not have gotten into this mess. Interestingly, AmE, but not BrE, has forgot as a less common alternative to forgotten for the past participle of forget.


Got/Gotten: (http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~brians/errors/got.html)
In England, the old word “gotten” dropped out of use except in such stock phrases as “ill-gotten” and “gotten up,” but in the U.S. it is frequently used as the past participle of “get.” sometimes the two are interchangeable, However, “got” implies current possession, as in “I’ve got just five dollars to buy my dinner with.” “Gotten,” in contrast, often implies the process of getting hold of something: “I’ve gotten five dollars for cleaning out Mrs. Quimby’s shed” emphasizing the earning of the money rather than its possession. Phrases that involve some sort of process usually involve “gotten”: “My grades have gotten better since I moved out of the fraternity.” When you have to leave, you’ve got to go. If you say you’ve “gotten to go” you’re implying someone gave you permission to go.


And the pièce de résistance:

The American Heritage® Book of English Usage.
A Practical and Authoritative Guide to Contemporary English. 1996: (http://www.bartleby.com/64/C003/0144.html)
“There is no such word as gotten,” an irritated reader recently wrote to The Boston Globe Magazine, objecting to the use of the word by a usage commentator, who should have known better. The notion that gotten is illegitimate has been around for over 200 years and refuses to die. The word itself is much older than the criticism against it. As past participles of get, both got and gotten go back to the Middle Ages. In American English, have got is chiefly an intensive form of have in its senses of possession and obligation and can only be used in the present tense. Gotten sees regular use as a variant past participle of get. It can occur in a variety of past and perfect tenses: Had she gotten the car when you saw her? I would not have gotten sick if I had stayed home. In Britain, gotten has mostly fallen out of use.

[CRAZY K]

Oh, it's a hard life, Alan.


Did anyone realise that the tradition of the New Year's resolution coupled with Credit Card bills are the reasons for a spike in cases of depression in late January/early February?

No problem--we always take a 2 week holiday around that time in a place with high temperatures and guaranteed sunshine--like Thailand.

Fast forward me to February---past the bore of Xmas ---cant wait---going to Vietnam this time:D :D :D ,

CRAZY K

[PropellerHeadCase]

Don't eat the hedgehog! ;)

[rob1963]

Yes, US, because it has fallen into relative disuse in the UK

Exactly!


Gotten is actually an Anglicism that has fallen into disuse in the Queen's English

As far as I'm aware, I speak the Queens English...rather than old English or American!


Gotten (past participle of get) is often considered to be an Americanism, although there are some areas of Britain, such as Lancashire and Yorkshire, that still continue to use it

Fair enough...I will make allowances for the very small minority of the UK population living in Lancashire and Yorkshire who still use it.


According to the Compact Oxford English Dictionary, "The form gotten is not used in British English but is very common in North American English

Yes...and my own dictionary says something very similar.


In England, the old word “gotten” dropped out of use except in such stock phrases as “ill-gotten” and “gotten up,” but in the U.S. it is frequently used as the past participle of “get.”

Correct. it dropped out of use in England...where I live, but is frequently used in the US, which is a different country thousands of miles from where I live!


Will that make your resolution easier, Rob?

Yes!

Thank you for the information about the origins of the word, Al.

I now need to amend my resolution to ensure I accept the word gotton if used by someone from Lancashire or Yorkshire.

[Corabar Steve]

Now look what you've gotten us into Alan.

[rob1963]

Now look what you've gotten us into Alan.

:eek: :boxer2: :moon: :p

[PropellerHeadCase]

I now need to amend my resolution to ensure I accept the word gotton if used by someone from Lancashire or Yorkshire.

Just so long as you stop calling it an Americanism, my job is done ;)

[PropellerHeadCase]

Now look what you've gotten us into Alan.

Yes, sorry, this sometimes happens when I've gotten carried away. ;)

[Penfold42]

Yes, sorry, this sometimes happens when I've gotten carried away. ;)

Is thou from Yorkshire...lad??:rolleyes:
:D :D :D :D

[PropellerHeadCase]

Aye, now where've I put m'Wensleydale?

[Penfold42]

Aye, now where've I put m'Wensleydale?

I say, I say....does thou know Mr Wilks....?...an has the got a flat cap.....coz the don't sound very Yorkyish te me......:D

[PropellerHeadCase]

Nope, I won't even pretend to keep going - I was, of course, referring to the actual cheese ;)

[Penfold42]

I see (http://www.tvscoop.tv/wallace_gromit.jpg)....:D

[Excalibur]

Now it I were a picky type of person, I might point out that a discussion of the finer points of the difference between the American and English languages has absolutely NAFF ALL to do with the original post. :offtopic:

Now start your own post in the semantics and language forum!:p

[rob1963]

Well said sword man!

:D :D :D

[Corabar Steve]

Nope, I won't even pretend to keep going - I was, of course, referring to the actual cheese ;)

As opposed to Emmental :sj: