what volume do i need?

[DJWilson]

Hi all,

ive brought a pair of 400wRMS speakers of off a friend of the family for £100.00

im getting a behringer EP2500 soon and wanted to know how i need to put the volume on the amp to get the full use out of the speakers.


thanks

[Jiggles]

Full. I then use the mixer sliders to change the volume.

[djsteve10]

Just be very careful as you are hooking up a very big amp to some small wattage speakers....

you have a good chance of blowing them... the safest way to run these speakers and amp would be to get a pair of subs then you can distrobute the power to the bass bins and not drive the tops too hard.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Just be very careful as you are hooking up a very big amp to some small wattage speakers....

.

Not quite sure how you are coming to that conclusion Steve? 400W - small?

The amp is 500w per channel at 8 Ohms, so as long as the cabs are 8 Ohms, that should be fine.

[djsteve10]

Woops didn't read the spec of the amp properly... i was reading the 4ohms bit not the 8ohms bit

[bluishbob]

Well, i always have been told to run the amps at about 75% where possible. This gives lots of head room if you are running the output hard at the mixer. If you need the extra power run them at 100% but watch the clip lights like a hawk.

[DJWilson]

how do i know when not to put the mixer up and more?

and p.s

if i used the amp and plugged in into speakers like this what what the ohms be? and how much do i out the amp on and mixer?

amp-------in speaker out------in speaker =???? ohms?

[djsteve10]

how do i know when not to put the mixer up and more?

and p.s

if i used the amp and plugged in into speakers like this what what the ohms be? and how much do i out the amp on and mixer?

amp-------in speaker out------in speaker =???? ohms?

Doesnt make much sense but if you if you have 8 ohm speakers you have to match that on the amp and run it in 8 ohms

[bank]

If your connecting say two per channel (thats what you're asking I think). You can calculate it using the following:

Resistance (ohms) = 1 / ( (1/speaker1) + (1/speaker2) )

So for example if you are using 2x 8 ohm speakers resistance = 4 ohms

This would mean you could put the 4 ohm wattage through each channel (just means it would be much louder :))

On that amp it would mean you could put 750w per channel at the 4 ohms.

Hope it helps

[DJWilson]

bank thanks,

sorry i wasnt clear enough.

im going to out two 400wrms speakers in one channel and two 200wrms speakers in the other at half of amp of the other channel.

becuase i didnt want to mix 200wrms with 400wrms in each channel

[Danno13]

Thats an odd way of doing it.

You're best off putting one of each type of speaker on each side of the amp, wired in parallel.

This way you have a 4ohm load that can take 600w on each side, and the ep2500 is 750w into 4 ohm (i think..) so should be matched nicely.

[TonyB]

bank thanks,

sorry i wasnt clear enough.

im going to out two 400wrms speakers in one channel and two 200wrms speakers in the other at half of amp of the other channel.

becuase i didnt want to mix 200wrms with 400wrms in each channel

To be honest I don't see a lot of point. Two 200w speakers are going to be 400w so it would be the same as running a 400w speaker each side. 400w per channel should be enough for most gigs (its all I use) unless you are doing large functions in large venues. Different speakers will have different sound qualities too so one side will sound different to the other.


Thats an odd way of doing it.

You're best off putting one of each type of speaker on each side of the amp, wired in parallel.

This way you have a 4ohm load that can take 600w on each side, and the ep2500 is 750w into 4 ohm (i think..) so should be matched nicely.

That depends on how good the 200w speaker is. The power will be shared equally between each cab so it would be split 325w per cab. The 400w cab would probably be okay but pushing 325w into a 200w cab might be a problem.

[Excalibur]

bank thanks,

sorry i wasnt clear enough.

im going to out two 400wrms speakers in one channel and two 200wrms speakers in the other at half of amp of the other channel.

becuase i didnt want to mix 200wrms with 400wrms in each channel

Don't do it. Don't mix speakers that vary so much on one amp. The 400w set will run fine on that amp, and will be quite big enough. If you wish to add later, then fit subs, and feed your tops from the sub output, Not the best way, but quite acceptable. Your suggestion is fraught with the possibility of blowing kit up.

[DJWilson]

ok,

what if i put a 200wrms and a 400wrms on each channel?

i was going to use the 20wrms on one channel at half the level on the amp (and the 400wrms double of the 200)

[BeerFunk]

Without going into other details...


Full. I then use the mixer sliders to change the volume.
I agree with the lad, always put the amp to full, and use the mixer for what it is intended.

PS. In near enough a decade of DJing, I've never blown a speaker. Maybe it's partly down to luck, but most of it is certainly down to good practice - taking care of my equipment, not buying cheap rubbish etc

[bank]

I can't guarantee this although I would presume that you could put a 400w + a 200w on each channel = 600w each side. If it was me I would just run around 400w to each side should sort the problem.

[DJWilson]

if i did put a 200 and a 400 on each side what the 200 blow or just share the power with 400?

[Jiggles]

well it would if you pushed it over the edge. I have done this before. the 400 will sound ok while the 200 will distort

[DJWilson]

ok thanks, im going to put the 400's on one channelk and the 200's on the other but one speaker of each on each side of the room and the 200's half of the volume 400's on the amp

[Jiggles]

If you see smoke and/ or fire turn it down :D

[djsteve10]

If you see smoke and/ or fire turn it down :D

haha i like it,
i would advise a fie extingisher rather than turn it down :D :D

[DJWilson]

so will it be ok to do that?

the behringer EP2500 is strong powered and easyley handle it but will anothything go wrong?

[Jiggles]

yep just dont crank it right up lol

[DJWilson]

i wont :lol: my plan is ill put the 200's half the volume of the 400's or slighy lower becuase they are half the power.

should be ok :)

[Tom]

tbh why dont you just use the 400 watt speakers. im sure most dj's have around 400 watts rms per side. I use 400 per side and have never had a problem.


If im correct if you have the extra 200 watts per side your only going to get an extra 1.5 db. In my eyes its not worth the bother.

Get a good amp that is about 100 watts more powerfull (per side) so you have a bit of headroom and stick with that.

My opinion anyway.

[wigglyrich01]

On the whole i would agree with KMA 400 watts per side should be fine for most gigs, but sometimes when you want that little extra boost or you need to get sound in a different room then you're plan should be fine.

I used to use a similar method when i had a skytec amp:zip: and that actually held out fine so you shouldn't have a problem with a decent behringer. Just remember to keep checking the clip lights.

Just out of interst what new speakers are they?

[rob1963]

I agree with the lad, always put the amp to full, and use the mixer for what it is intended.

Same here.

In my case it's amp on full, mixer master output on 5 (50%), channel faders up fully & I use the rotary gain controls above each channel to make changes to allow for different recording levels on different CDs.

I think the amp output may always be on full anyway...as I heard (I think on this forum) that the masters only control the INPUT to the amp, and not the OUTPUT level.

[DJWilson]

i have 2 200wrms prosound speakers and a pair of 400wrms speakers that say QL on them but im not sre what make but they are decent and ill put a picture on tomorrow

[Excalibur]

i have 2 200wrms prosound speakers


If you wire it up as you intend, you won't have for much longer! :eek: Just use the QL's for now, the prosound won't add enough to make the hassle worthwhile, and there is an excellent chance of blowing them up. :bang:
Do as other people have advised, run one set, and drop subs under later. Subs will make a far greater improvement than a set of lower powered full range. ;)

[DJWilson]

how will they blow if they on a seperate channel at half the volume?

[Tom]

how will they blow if they on a seperate channel at half the volume?

not being rude but why are you making it harder for yourself :confused:

whats going to be louder (noting getting to into it)

400 watts or 200 watts

Its going to be 400 watts, so use them and leave it at that. Plus its less gear to take around aswell.

[Excalibur]

how will they blow if they on a seperate channel at half the volume?

And how will you know they are at exactly half the volume?:confused: Putting the volume control halfway is no guide at all. For the gain in sound, the hassle far outweighs it. Believe me, if you set it up as you say, and turn off the small set, you'll hardly notice the difference. I've been there and got a wardrobe full of t-shirts, run the big set, sell the prosound, and buy subs when you can afford it. Then get a crossover and a second amp, as and when money comes in.

Or you could do it your way, and blow up a set of speakers when somebody spots a volume control lower than the other and equalises it, or pushes up the mixer volume on a good stomping track , and sends a lovely peak of twice the RMS power, or more, to the speakers!:bang:

[DJWilson]

And how will you know they are at exactly half the volume?:confused: Putting the volume control halfway is no guide at all. For the gain in sound, the hassle far outweighs it. Believe me, if you set it up as you say, and turn off the small set, you'll hardly notice the difference. I've been there and got a wardrobe full of t-shirts, run the big set, sell the prosound, and buy subs when you can afford it. Then get a crossover and a second amp, as and when money comes in.

Or you could do it your way, and blow up a set of speakers when somebody spots a volume control lower than the other and equalises it, or pushes up the mixer volume on a good stomping track , and sends a lovely peak of twice the RMS power, or more, to the speakers!:bang:


that could happen to any one and blow up any speakers

[Excalibur]

that could happen to any one and blow up any speakers

But if the system is matched, it's very unlikely. I'll tell you what, you set up like you want to, and if your small set lasts a year, I'll buy you a pint!

[DJWilson]

But if the system is matched, it's very unlikely. I'll tell you what, you set up like you want to, and if your small set lasts a year, I'll buy you a pint!


ok if my set-up is small what have you got?

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

ok if my set-up is small what have you got?

And my Dad's bigger than your Dad......

[Vectis]

ok if my set-up is small what have you got?

Come on, willies out! :o

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Come on, willies out! :o

And get ready to wave them.....;)

[BeerFunk]

And get ready to wave them.....;)
Watch out, coming through!! :D

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Watch out, coming through!! :D

Ewwwww!

[Excalibur]

ok if my set-up is small what have you got?

A: You misunderstand me, for which I apologise unreservedly. When I said small set I meant small set ( of speakers). Believe me, no gain will come fron trying to use them in this way. If you want to get best effect, buy an active crossover, an amp to match your small speakers, run those as tops, and the big ones as subs. That is without doubt the way to get the best from what you've got. I was in no way disparaging the size of your equipment ( ooh er Missus!) The large set of speakers you have will be big enough on their own for all your work initially I assure you.

B: Willy Waving. First, Steve, if you're reading this, don't it will only upset you!:p

One pair 15" subs, two pairs twin 15" full range full range, One brand spanking new huge, impressive 15" full range CD15SP's. With crossover and two 1.5Kw amps, it now is capable of 3Kw output, using twelve15" drivers!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: If I can just get Rob, and Penmare as road crew, I think I've cracked it!:D :D :D :D

[DJWilson]

ok thanks. apologie accepted

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

ok thanks. apologie accepted

And where is your apology for your comment?

[DJWilson]

why do i need to say sorry?

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

why do i need to say sorry?

Because of the childish comment that you put.

[Excalibur]

Because of the childish comment that you put.

Thanks Darren for showing that it's nice to be nice.:) I wonder though, if childish comments are to be eschewed, it will soon be :tumble: on here!;) :D

[DJWilson]

Because of the childish comment that you put.


you asked for an apologie from me and i didnt know why and still dont know why you asked for one, all i said was what set-up have you got then? after you said mine was then you cleared you meanings up.

[mb3]

GJDJ - you are asking for help and advice from others older and more experienced than you.

If you can't ask nicely, people soon aren't going to bother to help you.

I've had enough angst and attitude from my own teenager, I don't need any more from someone else's.

[DJWilson]

i have been asking nicely and i think your in the wrong for saying that becuase i havent been rude one bit

[djsteve10]

why do i need to say sorry?

Come on man people have been helping you out for the past weeks, show them some respect and some grattitude.
Excalibur has gone to alot of lengths of explaining things for you and so have alot of the other users on here too.

You are the one throwing it all back in their faces mate, they are only trying to halp at the end of the day

[DJWilson]

ok, ill say sorry if you show me what ive done wrong

[djsteve10]

Well you just take alook at the posts "why do i have to say sorry"

i aint going to get into a full blown argument here but if you keep on with the attitude nobody will help you.

[DJWilson]

i said 'why do i need to sorry' becuase i didnt know why i needed to and still dont becuase knowone is clearing things up people are just getting involved and moaning at me without showing me what ive done worng. i cant find anything wrong with what ive said

[mb3]

ok, ill say sorry if you show me what ive done wrong

In post 14 you asked - "what if i put a 200wrms and a 400wrms on each channel?" straight after Excalibur had already said, one post before - "Don't do it. Don't mix speakers that vary so much on one amp".

In post 25 KMA said - "why dont you just use the 400 watt speakers...... if you have the extra 200 watts per side your only going to get an extra 1.5 db. In my eyes its not worth the bother" - yet you kept on pursuing the question.

In post 35 you said - "ok if my set-up is small what have you got?" when if you had taken the bother to read the original poster, who, after all, is spending his time helping you, it is quite clear that he means the smaller (200w) speakers. Excalibur apologised immediately he realised he had misunderstood you.... you did not apologise, you just reverted to teenage "attitude".

I could go on...... it's a matter of good manners.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

. Excalibur apologised immediately he realised he had misunderstood you.... you did not apologise, you just reverted to teenage "attitude".



Spot on.

[DJWilson]

ok now that i have been shown what ive done wrong im sorry for the bother and cuased problems i just didnt know what was wrong

[Excalibur]

ok now that i have been shown what ive done wrong im sorry for the bother and cuased problems i just didnt know what was wrong

:approve:

Can't buy you a beer!!;)

[djgordyp]

Just been reading this whole thread. Has anyone thought of recommending a book this young person could read. I'm not saying you lot aren't been helpful, you always are more than happy to pass on your experience to newer members. But it would help explain the relationship between ohms watts etc., and also cut down on a lot of (unnecessary) questions

On the other hand you could find yourself having to answer more questions:D :D

[DJWilson]

i got a NYE disco tomorrow now, just found out and the person im helping out last week got three laptops nicked! and were going to the same place tomorrow :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Tom]

if im correct the editor from sound on sound has written his own small books on how to setup equipment and all that. bassically anything musical. it also has basic infomation on wattage, ohm and all that stuff (if im correct)

it has helped me and i still always keep going back to them if i need a little extra help.

i cant find the book i bought but this one looks like it could help you.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Music-Technology-Survivors-Paul-White/dp/1860742092/ref=pd_bbs_8?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1199021431&sr=8-8

[djsmash]

I allways turn the amp to full and then back a notch

lots of people have sed run youre amp at half run it at 3 quarter run it at this and run it at that.

i find that the way i do it gets the most out of the speakers but i feel that bit better about the speakers as the amp isnt totally on full

Hope its a help

DJ_Smash
Smash Disco Service

[mb3]

There's loads of advice at

http://www.professor-pa.com/tutorials.html

[DJWilson]

I allways turn the amp to full and then back a notch

lots of people have sed run youre amp at half run it at 3 quarter run it at this and run it at that.

i find that the way i do it gets the most out of the speakers but i feel that bit better about the speakers as the amp isnt totally on full

Hope its a help

DJ_Smash
Smash Disco Service

thanks but how will i know that i am doing 400w?

[DJWilson]

There's loads of advice at

http://www.professor-pa.com/tutorials.html

thanks this was quite helpful

[Andy Westcott]

One point that seems to have been missed - how are these speakers rated? Is the 400 watt rating an RMS value or a PMPO/peak music power type of Maplin rating?

RMS is the only rating you should consider - half all others and you'll probably be OK.

Regarding amps and their gain controls:
The gain control on an amp does exactly the same thing as the master on the mixer, and is, electronically speaking, a duplicated component.

I'd suggest just bunging the amp gain to full, and making the level adjustment with the mixer's master control, which is what it's there for. The amp's control is completely redundant in the situation.

[DJWilson]

the maplin speakers are 200w RMS and 400w program.

thanks for everyones help but if i put the amp on full wouldnt it create more heat then whats needed? and how will i know when im doing 400wrms on the louder speakers? if i put the amp to full and control by mixer when will i know that there doing there full RMS?

[Andy Westcott]

OK then:
The control on the amp doesn't act as a 'power tap'; This is a popular misconception. It is possible to set the amp volume to a quarter up and still clip it at full power - you would just need more signal from the mixer to do it.

Best set the amp control to max and forget it's there, and use the mixer master control as I suggested.

You can keep an eye on the amp's power by watching the clip light if it has one: If it starts flashing turn it down a bit. A 200 watt RMS speaker can probably stand a 400 watt amp running just about at clip point, but only because the average power contained in the music is rather less than the 400 watt peak - the amplitude tends to go up and down a lot as the VU meter would indicate.

However, I don't recommend doing this as you are risking a failure especially with speakers which are at the cheaper end of the range. To be absolutely safe in all but the silliest of situations, match the speaker RMS pretty closely to the amp's rating, or even use speakers rated higher than the amp, asI do, but that does make the speakers rather more pricey, although bullet-proof.

I'm unsure whether you've understood that, as it is a bit technical so if still in doubt ask away!

[DJWilson]

thanks for that extra info but i still dont know when i doing 400w rms a side, for all i know i could be only doing 300.

[Andy Westcott]

That's true, but it doesn't matter. If the music is loud enough then don't worry whether its running at 400 watts or 50.

An unrelated tip here - don't make the mistake of playing the music too loud; This is a sure way to drive people out of your event. (Most of us have made this mistake in the early years.)

Do you have a clip light or VU meters on the amp? (Pity more amps don't have VU meters these days, as you then know exactly where you are.)

The clip light will flash on as a peak hits the maximum output of the amp, but remember that the rest of the music power level will be below this. It is almost invariably the bass beats which light the lights in this manner. You can't really assign a power level to a piece of music, as the level varies so much according to the musical content.

If you are finding that to get the kind of volumes you need the clip lights are lighting up rather a lot, you must consider playing a little quieter or getting some bigger speakers, and maybe a bigger amp to match.

For the moment drive it all carefully, and watch that light.

[DJWilson]

ok thanks what im going to do is play at venue go to the back of the room listen and turn it up to the volume needed and check the amp for clipping for the next 5minutes of a loud, upbeat song

[daz226]

OK then:
The control on the amp doesn't act as a 'power tap'; This is a popular misconception. It is possible to set the amp volume to a quarter up and still clip it at full power - you would just need more signal from the mixer to do it.

Best set the amp control to max and forget it's there, and use the mixer master control as I suggested.

You can keep an eye on the amp's power by watching the clip light if it has one: If it starts flashing turn it down a bit. A 200 watt RMS speaker can probably stand a 400 watt amp running just about at clip point, but only because the average power contained in the music is rather less than the 400 watt peak - the amplitude tends to go up and down a lot as the VU meter would indicate.

However, I don't recommend doing this as you are risking a failure especially with speakers which are at the cheaper end of the range. To be absolutely safe in all but the silliest of situations, match the speaker RMS pretty closely to the amp's rating, or even use speakers rated higher than the amp, asI do, but that does make the speakers rather more pricey, although bullet-proof.

I'm unsure whether you've understood that, as it is a bit technical so if still in doubt ask away!

gjdjdisco read the above again ...then again then go get a coke then come back and read again trust me this makes sence

[Excalibur]

thanks but how will i know that i am doing 400w?

You will have no idea at all, which is why it's impossible to feed a measured 200w into your small speakers! ( See other posts ) :bang: :bang: :bang:

[Excalibur]

OK then:
The control on the amp doesn't act as a 'power tap'; This is a popular misconception. It is possible to set the amp volume to a quarter up and still clip it at full power - you would just need more signal from the mixer to do it.

Best set the amp control to max and forget it's there, and use the mixer master control as I suggested.

You can keep an eye on the amp's power by watching the clip light if it has one: If it starts flashing turn it down a bit. A 200 watt RMS speaker can probably stand a 400 watt amp running just about at clip point, but only because the average power contained in the music is rather less than the 400 watt peak - the amplitude tends to go up and down a lot as the VU meter would indicate.

However, I don't recommend doing this as you are risking a failure especially with speakers which are at the cheaper end of the range. To be absolutely safe in all but the silliest of situations, match the speaker RMS pretty closely to the amp's rating, or even use speakers rated higher than the amp, asI do, but that does make the speakers rather more pricey, although bullet-proof.

I'm unsure whether you've understood that, as it is a bit technical so if still in doubt ask away!

I doubt whether he understood it, and I doubt if he'll take your excellent advice.!

[Excalibur]

That's true, but it doesn't matter. If the music is loud enough then don't worry whether its running at 400 watts or 50.

An unrelated tip here - don't make the mistake of playing the music too loud; This is a sure way to drive people out of your event. (Most of us have made this mistake in the early years.)

Do you have a clip light or VU meters on the amp? (Pity more amps don't have VU meters these days, as you then know exactly where you are.)

The clip light will flash on as a peak hits the maximum output of the amp, but remember that the rest of the music power level will be below this. It is almost invariably the bass beats which light the lights in this manner. You can't really assign a power level to a piece of music, as the level varies so much according to the musical content.

If you are finding that to get the kind of volumes you need the clip lights are lighting up rather a lot, you must consider playing a little quieter or getting some bigger speakers, and maybe a bigger amp to match.

For the moment drive it all carefully, and watch that light.

Amen to all of that!:D

[rob1963]

what im going to do is play at venue go to the back of the room listen and turn it up to the volume needed and check the amp for clipping for the next 5 minutes of a loud, upbeat song

If you do this at the beginning of the evening when you do your sound check, if the room is empty at the time, then remember that your system will sound louder in an empty room than when that same room is full of people.

[DJWilson]

If you do this at the beginning of the evening when you do your sound check, if the room is empty at the time, then remember that your system will sound louder in an empty room than when that same room is full of people.


ill do it once the room is full of the guests because one person takes up about 1watt of sound.

[Excalibur]

ill do it once the room is full of the guests because one person takes up about 1watt of sound.

How can I put this politely? There are more than a few experienced chaps on here who have given you some excellent advice. Please show that you are taking notice of it before someone loses the politeness gene, and/or stops giving you advice( which you obviously need! ) For instance Rob's last post was bang on. How on earth can you do a full soundcheck when the place is full of customers?:confused: :bang: This obsession with figures is unhealthy, unrealistic, misleading, and misguided.

Let me tell you a story.
If you had done a search on here about this you would have seen many threads questioning our apparent need for huge amounts of power. There is a village hall ( my local one ) where I now take 1.5Kw of PA. Eighteen months ago I would have used 400w into a pair of Eurosys3's. Eighteen years ago, I would have used 70w RMS of RSC ( Now there's a blast from the past! ) power!:eek:

Is it 200 times louder? Of course it isn't, and I could still do it with 400w today. Loud enough is still loud enough, whatever the figures say.

[Dragonfly]

I did an xmas party for about 350 people with 2 srm 450s and a 1501 ...... it was just enough by a hair had every thing turned up just enough not to red line anything.

[djsteve10]

ill do it once the room is full of the guests because one person takes up about 1watt of sound.

So your saying you are just going to Wham the sound up once the guests have all just sat down for their meal?

Come on use some common sense ? :bang: :bang: :bang:

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Eighteen years ago, I would have used 70w RMS of RSC ( Now there's a blast from the past! ) power!:eek:



RSC or RSE?

I didn't know the Royal Shakespeare Company made amps...:p

I have a 20 year old RSE amp in my garage that still works.

[Excalibur]

RSC or RSE?

I didn't know the Royal Shakespeare Company made amps...:p

I have a 20 year old RSE amp in my garage that still works.

You flash git! Did you never use anything as common as Roger Squires Company ( Not sure about the C but RS was Roger Squires) and was a chain of shops for the impecunious DJ.
I bet you went strajght to Futuristic Aids Limited ( FAL :D ) There must be plenty of grown ups on here who remember them. You really are young, aren't you Darren?;) :D

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

You flash git! Did you never use anything as common as Roger Squires Company ( Not sure about the C but RS was Roger Squires) and was a chain of shops for the impecunious DJ.
I bet you went strajght to Futuristic Aids Limited ( FAL :D ) There must be plenty of grown ups on here who remember them. You really are young, aren't you Darren?;) :D

I remember Squires very well - I'd never heard them called RSC though.

And yes, FAL were around when I started, but were sort of the whipping boys of the disco world then. ;)

Nice to be called young for a change...:D

[Vectis]

Got my first decks from Squires Light & Sound on Deansgate in Manchester. Had been up there every weekend for about 3 months drooling whilst saving my paper round money... :o

[Excalibur]

I remember Squires very well - I'd never heard them called RSC though.

And yes, FAL were around when I started, but were sort of the whipping boys of the disco world then. ;)

Nice to be called young for a change...:D

I said you were a flash git, and I stand by it!:p FAL was top of the range to us! RSC was all we could afford. :( When we got our first FAL stereo 200 amp, what a giant leap forward! :D ( Even then, lying swine, it was barely
150w RMS ! ) I suppose you started with Orange, or HH , or some other name brand!;)

[rob1963]

I remember Squires very well - I'd never heard them called RSC though.

Me too.

I also remember buying a few bits from a store they had in London way back in the 1980's.

oops...showing my age again!

:D

[Excalibur]

Me too.

I also remember buying a few bits from a store they had in London way back in the 1980's.

oops...showing my age again!

:D

They expanded around that time. They had stores in York and Kingston upon Hull at one time.

[flatliners]

all this talk of fal stuff takes me back you could throw them off a building and they would still work
back to the main topic respect and listen to others members of the forum some of them have been in the game ages
stick with the safe option the 2 400w speakers because its better to have a sound system than not to have one or a one that sounds bad