a good night ruined

[DJWilson]

Hi all hope you all had a good one,

i started setting up about 5 and once we was set-up karoke started and went down well after an hour of karoke we went to disco and we let this person called boney do a bit of jungle/drum and bass DJin. the whole pub was raving, once we got back onto the laptop and stuff we played party music which went well and then came 12. all fine auld lang syne played everyone happy which then led into 1 and two woman started fighting which caused 6 other fights. glass went every where and worst of all the set-up went flying, lucily me and barry caught it, but we was both :censored: off and had to keep hold of it untill the old bill turned up (20mins later) we could start packing up.

theres always someone who cant handle there drink and ruin it. 16 people got arrested what a bad way to end the evening

[Excalibur]

Hi all hope you all had a good one,

i started setting up about 5 and once we was set-up karoke started and went down well after an hour of karoke we went to disco and we let this person called boney do a bit of jungle/drum and bass DJin. the whole pub was raving, once we got back onto the laptop and stuff we played party music which went well and then came 12. all fine auld lang syne played everyone happy which then led into 1 and two woman started fighting which caused 6 other fights. glass went every where and worst of all the set-up went flying, lucily me and barry caught it, but we was both :censored: off and had to keep hold of it untill the old bill turned up (20mins later) we could start packing up.

theres always someone who cant handle there drink and ruin it. 16 people got arrested what a bad way to end the evening


Sorry to hear that, and it allows me to post the thread I have been building up to.

Last night I was working in a local Social Club, predominantly younger crowd, having a great time, but after midnight, we had a big problem. It's a problem Rob and I agree on, we just don't agree on the cure. It's the demon drink. For the first time in many many years, I was worried. A roomfull of people dancing and having a great time, but many with drink in hand. I had carefully got the amp a long way from danger, but was honestly worried about the rest of the gear. Despite many warnings, drinks were still being waved and spilt round the kit. It's not the first, and it won't be the last, but it was the worst I have ever seen. I have no solution, but for the first time since I started this game, I had sincere misgivings.:( :( :(

What do you lot think? :confused:

[colint]

Afraid this is and always has been a problem when working at floor level,
you just have to be vigalant and try to keep people away for your kit!

in my pub I managed to get round it by having a ban on glasses on the dance floor, but people still tried it on!

[Andy Westcott]

One advantage of a wall of light screens I suppose...

[Jiggles]

Andy you are asking for it :D

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Hi all hope you all had a good one,

i started setting up about 5 and once we was set-up karoke started and went down well after an hour of karoke we went to disco and we let this person called boney do a bit of jungle/drum and bass DJin. the whole pub was raving, once we got back onto the laptop and stuff we played party music which went well and then came 12. all fine auld lang syne played everyone happy which then led into 1 and two woman started fighting which caused 6 other fights. glass went every where and worst of all the set-up went flying, lucily me and barry caught it, but we was both :censored: off and had to keep hold of it untill the old bill turned up (20mins later) we could start packing up.

theres always someone who cant handle there drink and ruin it. 16 people got arrested what a bad way to end the evening

The number of fights seems to be increasing - it was 5 in another thread...:p

Seriously though, it's not good to hear of all these hassles, but should you be working in a pub at 15? I would have thought not for the very reasons you have mentioned in terms of security etc

[colint]

The number of fights seems to be increasing - it was 5 in another thread...:p

Seriously though, it's not good to hear of all these hassles, but should you be working in a pub at 15? I would have thought not for the very reasons you have mentioned in terms of security etc

Unless it's changed recently you have to be 18 or over to work in a pub no matter what the job unless it has a resturant.

[BeerFunk]

When you say 'work in a pub', does that mean to work on the premises, or behind the bar?

For example, is it legal for a 16 year old apprentice joiner/plumber to do a job in a pub? I'd have thought so, and if that's the case, it would most likely be the same regulations that cover a DJ, as they are not involved in the process of serving alcohol.

[Dragonfly]

rightly or wrongly all my xmas gigs with a large number in attendance or that I have had even an incling that there maybe an issue all my gear has been set up behind me bar obviously the speakers.


Unless it's changed recently you have to be 18 or over to work in a pub no matter what the job unless it has a resturant.

no idea but ive known several 16 an 17 year old glass collectors.

[DJWilson]

the pub i was in said no under 16's from 9 o clock unless with an adult (18+) barry (the person i was helping out) set up two fog machines and used them when people got close, it did the job well :) and andy we did have two brand new light screens covered in beer, when the gear went over most of are leads were all sticky and wet! :(

thankfully we set-up the speakers behind us in corners other wise we wouldnt be able to hold it all up for 20minutes whislt waiting for the police to turn up and stop the fights

[Sam]

just one of those things one comes to expect where plenty of alchi is available.
I have done many events where fights have broken out. Funnily enough no one has picked on me yet ;)

[wensleydale]

the pub i was in said no under 16's from 9 o clock unless with an adult (18+) barry (the person i was helping out) set up two fog machines and used them when people got close, it did the job well :) and andy we did have two brand new light screens covered in beer, when the gear went over most of are leads were all sticky and wet! :(

thankfully we set-up the speakers behind us in corners other wise we wouldnt be able to hold it all up for 20minutes whislt waiting for the police to turn up and stop the fights

i dont think you can rely on a smoke machine to protect you.

there have always been problems with alcohol and probably always will be- if it got to this stage i would question whether the security/bar staff were doing there jobs properly.

[Excalibur]

One advantage of a wall of light screens I suppose...

Unfortunately at this particular venue I have to use the table provided. In normal life, it's green, has six pockets, and a load of balls. :eek: This precludes the use of the Chobham MK3, a valuable anti personnel device!:(

[DJWilson]

lights screens are good for covering up wires and DJ's legs and thats about it. there not to stable

[colint]

When you say 'work in a pub', does that mean to work on the premises, or behind the bar?

For example, is it legal for a 16 year old apprentice joiner/plumber to do a job in a pub? I'd have thought so, and if that's the case, it would most likely be the same regulations that cover a DJ, as they are not involved in the process of serving alcohol.

sorry was away for a bit!
The law used to state no person under the age of 18 years old may enter employment of any discription within licenced premises, including glass colllecting , cleaning etc.

this used to apply but some of the laws have changed in the three years I've been out of the licenced trade so don't quote me on it! :beer1:

[colint]

Found this! so it would appear thing's have changed!

Children and the Act
The Act also makes a few important changes to the current law regarding children and alcohol, although these were not publicised at the time. For instance, a rule allowing children under 18 to sell alcohol in supermarkets was extended to personal licensees, as long as "the sale or supply has been specifically approved by that or another responsible person", thus making it legal for under-18's to work on a bar. It was also made a criminal offence for someone under the age of 18 to attempt to purchase alcohol for the first time in English law, punishable by a fine of up to £1,000 .

good or bad who can say? but after running a pub for a good few years I personaly thing the drinking age should be raised to 21+ and then we might see the fights reduce
one of the reasons I don't have anything to do with pubs anymore I just plain don't want the nastyness around me! :p

[ross@rds]

I personaly thing the drinking age should be raised to 21+ and then we might see the fights reduce

Dont think you would supermarkets selling drink cheap is a big problem also alot of small shops are happy to sell with out asking for id along with clubs who let under 18s in only thinking about profit which i will not name and shame on the forum!

[colint]

Dont think you would supermarkets selling drink cheap is a big problem also alot of small shops are happy to sell with out asking for id along with clubs who let under 18s in only thinking about profit which i will not name and shame on the forum!

I think you'll find thats about to be dealt with, at the moment the relavent people are looking into the sale of cheap booze at all the supermarkets and are trying to put a stop to it!
and I know exactly where your coming from I said the same thing 3 years ago when I saw some kids about 14 years old buy 2 cases of stella for £20 from our local supermarket not good eh?
Just a shame that all the grown ups have to suffer & pay up (again) to sort the brats out!

[Tom]

I personaly thing the drinking age should be raised to 21+ and then we might see the fights reduce




i agree with this but also there should be on the spot fine if kids under the legal age are caught drinking. either they pay (which they wont be able) so the police take the kids to the parents/guardians house and are given a fine to pay.

more coppers should be out at night near clubs, parks, youth centers ect.

just my idea.

[BeerFunk]

The implications for a supermarket caught selling to under age kids are very severe - losing their alcohol license could result in the store having to close in some cases. The big guns (Tesco, Asda etc) are very careful on this issue.

[colint]

i agree with this but also there should be on the spot fine if kids under the legal age are caught drinking. either they pay (which they wont be able) so the police take the kids to the parents/guardians house and are given a fine to pay.

more coppers should be out at night near clubs, parks, youth centers ect.

just my idea.

a much better idea would be to fine the person and company selling to under age drinkers £1000 for each bottle or can they sell, then they may take it seriously! and on a second offence take away the licence to sell or supply.

edit: on the spot fines already exsist (£80) but are not often implicated!

[rob1963]

Dont think you would supermarkets selling drink cheap is a big problem

That's certainly part of the problem...especially their dirt cheap "basics" type extra cheap booze. Apart from that, we need to go back to the old licencing laws, stop pubs doing crazy offers like "All you can drink for £10", make alcohol more expensive (possibly by increasing the duty) and ban the advertising of alcohol. These measures would certainly reduce the problem, but at the moment it just seems to be getting worse.


I think you'll find thats about to be dealt with, at the moment the relavent people are looking into the sale of cheap booze at all the supermarkets and are trying to put a stop to it!

I'm pleased to hear that. At least it's a start...although there is a lot more that needs to be done.

[PropellerHeadCase]

...A roomfull of people dancing and having a great time, but many with drink in hand. I had carefully got the amp a long way from danger, but was honestly worried about the rest of the gear. Despite many warnings, drinks were still being waved and spilt round the kit. It's not the first, and it won't be the last, but it was the worst I have ever seen. I have no solution, but for the first time since I started this game, I had sincere misgivings.:( :( :(

What do you lot think? :confused:

I have yet to actually construct my self-designed road-casing units for my players, amps, et al., but my intention is to have a perspex (or similar) hood over the mixer and probably the lap-top, too. So the lid comes off and I can get access to the mixer from my side but it is impervious from all other sides (to both liquid and hands) - it will still be visible from all sides which keeps the "Ooh, look at the pretty lights and buttons" factor up :D

[mb3]

Only a thought......

How about wrapping the speakers in cling film?

Will it wreck the sound quality... and, in a pub full of drunk idiots, does it matter if it does?

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Only a thought......

How about wrapping the speakers in cling film?

Will it wreck the sound quality... and, in a pub full of drunk idiots, does it matter if it does?

Would there be any sound at all? Speaker cones need to shift air, so how could they do that if they were wrapped in cling film? ;)

[rob1963]

Would there be any sound at all? Speaker cones need to shift air, so how could they do that if they were wrapped in cling film? ;)

Agreed.

It would be a bit like trying to use them without taking them out of the cardboard box or without removing the speaker covers!

[mb3]

I was thinking of one thin, loose layer... and I wonder would it kill the sound that much?

I guess I'll have to try it out at home to see.

[robbiedj]

I did the London Marathon gig one year with black binliners over the active speakers to keep the rain off (it rained nearly all day).

I did have to up the volume a bit, but not too much.

[sleah]

Only a thought......

How about wrapping the speakers in cling film?

Will it wreck the sound quality... and, in a pub full of drunk idiots, does it matter if it does?

It won't massively affect quality, not enough to matter in a pub anyway:D


Would there be any sound at all? Speaker cones need to shift air, so how could they do that if they were wrapped in cling film? ;)

err.... the cling film isn't solid and rigid like wood, so it will also vibrate and allow the sound straight through with very little loss.:D


I did the London Marathon gig one year with black binliners over the active speakers to keep the rain off (it rained nearly all day).

Bin:D there, done that! I often have to put a couple of 12" PA speakers outside for rugby matches at work, complete with bin liners - works a treat:D