Website Copying

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I'm always getting people copying bits of my website and pictures, but this takes the biscuit. *URL Removed - Content not suitable for family forum*

Thanks to CB Entertainments for the heads up. I know he's in the States, but that's not the point.

Has anyone got a copy of a cease and desist letter I can send for this?

[Dragonfly]

oh my god !!!! i don't know whether to laugh at the stupidity or be annoyed for you Daz thats just ridiculous ....... it is your website !!!!

[Jiggles]

When i seen the website i thought that Daz is going to have a field day!!

[daz226]

who is hosting the michel site he has not even changed the pics surley under some internet law your pics are copyright to you. That is a disgrace he has cloned your site and changed only small details.

we should highlight who this joker is and get his site either changed or closed

[spin mobile disco]

Really feel for you on this one. That is just blatent fraud. American law makes this an enforcable matter though and as we are a 'friend of america' the authorities may take soem action if you contact them.

[Jiggles]

Some infomation: http://tinyurl.com/27b6r8

[daz226]

looks like he just made a copy of the source code and linked the pics to his web host.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Some infomation: http://tinyurl.com/27b6r8

Can't see his name though or address?

[DJWilson]

there is some sort of internet law about legal copyright (not sure if it excists in america, shoulds do) if you can prove that your created the site and uploaded them pictures from a source you own then you can get his site closed down for © and sue his him for something but im not sure what. hope that he gets what he derserves

[Jiggles]

Daz you can contact the hosting company.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Daz you can contact the hosting company.

Yeah, I know that, but sometimes you get personal info on the WHOIS listing too.

[Jiggles]

its a .com so you dont get that kind of info

[Shaun]

A while back I had someone do exactly the same thing with my website. I managed to locate his phone number (with the help of a good friend). I called the idiot up and he blamed his website designer. He did remove the site the very next day though.

Hope you get the matter resoved quickly Daz.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

A while back I had someone do exactly the same thing with my website. I managed to locate his phone number (with the help of a good friend). I called the idiot up and he blamed his website designer. He did remove the site the very next day though.

Hope you get the matter resoved quickly Daz.

Thanks.

Blaming the web designer seems to be a common excuse - I've heard that several times from people who have nicked bits from me before.

[Tom]

:Laugh:

sorry darren but how sad can people get. i like your website but that dont mean i want to copy it. But if i did see somthing i would ask for concent first like most people.

[Have a disco]

BELIEVE YOU HAVE A GOOD CASE TO PRESENT TO THE AMERICAN TRADING STANDARDS AS WELL All you have to prove is your site was established well before his and you hold the original Photo's on your person you could scan to them, and they can shut him down with I believe its called a 48 hr termination order (dont quote me about this). But a cease and desist letter from your solicitors with a view for a compensation order would work as well

Sorry all caps got stuck on

[Sam]

contact the hosting company. They will investigate and if they are a good company will suspend his account.

[electricnite]

when its someoone in your own area that does it then it gets your goat,mentioning no names

[DJWilson]

Hi, i went on the website and clicked on many of the options on the side of the website and it says the user has been suspened and it redirects you to a dj website and dj hosting tips.

[djsteve10]

I have to say this guy takes the biscuit,
There is nothing wrong with getting ideas from other peoples sites but this guy is just a 100% Cheapskate.

I would send him a personal email and threaten him with legal action, i would also contact the hosting company and provide them with the email that you have sent him.

I had this done to me a few months ago and i wasn't very happy about it.... took him 3 days to take it down.

[infinity disco uk]

What a plonker he is going to feel when he turns up at a gig and his rig is 2 speakers and a spot bank not at all like the pictures on his website
So not only very annoying for yourself but he is also doing himself no favors at all !!!!! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/angry040.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

[Penfold42]

Daz....do you want the 'forum tart' to sort him out......:D

OMG......:eek:

Feel sorry for you mate hope you get it sorted......:)

[colint]

Now! that is just plain rude!
don't they sue for loadsa money for this sort of thing in the states?

[DJWilson]

the internet law in USA is HUGE!!!!!!!!! theyve banned all gambling websites in america, which did thereaten all UK gambling websites at one point and the © in USA is high importance

[PropellerHeadCase]

The really priceless bit?



©Copyright Michel Music 2007. All rights reserved. No copying of any part of this website is permitted without the authors consent.

[Jiggles]

Sheer Class :D

[DJWilson]

"©Copyright Michel Music 2007. All rights reserved. No copying of any part of this website is permitted without the authors consent."

he's got a bit of cheek :lol:

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

"©Copyright Michel Music 2007. All rights reserved. No copying of any part of this website is permitted without the authors consent."

he's got a bit of cheek :lol:

I think that's an understatement!

[DJWilson]

I think that's an understatement!


HAHA :)

[djsteve10]

I'm loving that.... how do you copyright something that is yours? What a plant pot... he just shot himself in the foot there lol

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I've also had that happen to a certain person who was on TV again recently. He stole one of my images and put it on his site.

[djsteve10]

I've also had that happen to a certain person who was on TV again recently. He stole one of my images and put it on his site.

No prizes for who that is then ;) ;)

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

No prizes for who that is then ;) ;)

Can't mention any names as he'll only be complaining, even though I have asked him several times to take it down. He has a copyright on his site on it too, even though I have the original picture here!

[djsteve10]

The thing is it isn't hard to come up with your own material or create your own site... Doesn't take that long to do it yourself or employ a pro to do it for you. These guys are just A class freeloaders and it just gets on my nerves the more and more that they do it.

I have had a dj once copy all the text content from my website and he didnt even change the text where it had my company name. I was going to say to him why dont you just put a picture of me and my rig on there aswell. He didnt reply to my email after that and then took the site down and now has appeared to have ceased trading unless he is trading under a different name.

[PropellerHeadCase]

The thing is it isn't hard to come up with your own material or create your own site...

That's not necessarily true. Writing your own material, editing it for keyword density AND readability, and still being somewhat original and creative may be easy for you and me... but it's by no means easy for everyone, hence why some people take the cop-out.

[djsteve10]

That's not necessarily true. Writing your own material, editing it for keyword density AND readability, and still being somewhat original and creative may be easy for you and me... but it's by no means easy for everyone, hence why some people take the cop-out.

Well why copy ? There is always help out there getting your content together.
Doensn't have to result in stealing.

[Tom]

Well why copy ? There is always help out there getting your content together.
Doensn't have to result in stealing.

But stealing is a lot easier than paying the truthful/legal way.

Is that ok to post. :confused:

[djsteve10]

still though he must feel guilty stealing another djs website.

[PropellerHeadCase]

That requires a conscience.

[Excalibur]

That requires a conscience.

And when we copied someone else's work at school, we always tried to put our own individual stamp on it, so we can guess at a big deficiency of grey matter also. ;) :D

[BeerFunk]

Sorry Darren, but I burst out laughing when I saw it! It's such a blatant theft, it defies belief!

[PropellerHeadCase]

And when we copied someone else's work at school, we always tried to put our own individual stamp on it, so we can guess at a big deficiency of grey matter also. ;) :D

Ahh, but copying from several sources is "research" ;)

[Excalibur]

Ahh, but copying from several sources is "research" ;)

As I'm surprised you didn't know;) ;) ;) I think the word you were looking for was " Plagiarism" :D :D :D

[PropellerHeadCase]

Plagiarism is copying from one source - hence my "research" quip ;)

[wensleydale]

i just sent him an email asking if he covers reading.

[PropellerHeadCase]

Or proof-reading, for that matter ;)

[Excalibur]

Plagiarism is copying from one source - hence my "research" quip ;)

Oh good heavens, yet again my ignorance is exposed to the world.;) ;)






( The things I do to make you look good. I'll set em up, you knock em down ) :D :D :D :D :D


BTW Alan, think Wensleydale meant Reading ( UK) ( Place Name )
( Which is Darren's stamping ground)

[Shakermaker Promotions]

There's a decent line in 'Pulp Fiction' that goes something like...."I'm gonna get 2 hard hitting ******* with blow torches to get medieval on his ****"

That seems the right thing to do!

Only joking...there is simply no need for it at all..what is the point? I clicked on the 'quote' link and it came up with some kind of re-direction page asking me to go somewhere else so maybe things are already in motion to get it removed?

[PropellerHeadCase]

BTW Alan, think Wensleydale meant Reading ( UK) ( Place Name )
( Which is Darren's stamping ground)

It was what one might call a pun or a double entendre ;)

[daz226]

i rang the number on the site and got the voice mail for jason michel.

oh and 75,000 pli is not a great deal and i assume he means dollers.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

i rang the number on the site and got the voice mail for jason michel.


What were you going to say to him?

[daz226]

i have no idea really i just seen the number and thought i would ring possibly ask who designed his site. not sure really this is quite a strange one i mean i have seen many times parts of sites on other sites but i have never seen a cloned site like your one.

hope you get it sorted but how did you find out you had been cloned like that. i imagine the words you first thought could not be spelt out on here.

all the best in fixing this i am sure you will.

daz

[rob1963]

Daz....do you want the 'forum tart' to sort him out......:D

Which one?

There are a few!

:rolleyes:

[Penfold42]

Which one?

There are a few!

:rolleyes:

Oi....is official....i'm the 'forum tart' around here......:D :D :D :D

[Tom]

i have no idea really i just seen the number and thought i would ring possibly ask who designed his site.

daz

have you thought about the cost of you phoning him??? might be a good idea to speak to him though.


Oi....is official....i'm the 'forum tart' around here......:D :D :D :D

calm down dear, its only a forum. ;) :D

[Penfold42]

have you thought about the cost of you phoning him??? might be a good idea to speak to him though.

I thought that....but what will ringing him actually do....???
Not a lot.....he's got the go'nads to steal....yes not one page but a site...so what will ringing him do..........
:shrug:

...unless you can send some voltage down the line.......:D :D :D :D

[rob1963]

Oi....is official....i'm the 'forum tart' around here......:D :D :D :D

Wouldn't that job be easier if you had an assistant though?

:D :D :D :D :D

[Tom]

looks like we have an offer. :Laugh:

[rob1963]

Darren...have you taken any action on this matter yet?

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Darren...have you taken any action on this matter yet?

I wondered when someone would get back on topic...:p

I emailed them yesterday and also the people they are registered with. I have given them a week to take it down.

Thanks to Tony from A1 Discos for the lend of what he sends.:)

[rob1963]

I wondered when someone would get back on topic...:p

I emailed them yesterday and also the people they are registered with. I have given them a week to take it down.

Thanks to Tony from A1 Discos for the lend of what he sends.:)

Keep us posted with what happens, and good luck.

:)

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Keep us posted with what happens, and good luck.

:)

Thanks. :beer1:

[Penfold42]

I emailed them yesterday and also the people they are registered with. I have given them a week to take it down.

Can i be bold and ask then 'what'......:)

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Can i be bold and ask then 'what'......:)

Then I'll let you and Rob loose on him. ;)

[Penfold42]

Then I'll let you and Rob loose on him. ;)

:lol:....be like Trotters Independent Traders Squad........Man boobs for short....:D

...Daz good luck.....;) :beer1:

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

:lol:....be like Trotters Independent Traders Squad........Man boobs for short....:D

...Daz good luck.....;) :beer1:

Thanks. Hopefully the email will have done the trick.

[music-2-play]

Hi, if this still hasn't been solved, your safest bet is to issue the guy's isp with a takedown request. In the US, they have what are known as 'safeharbours' that protect isps from liability for hosting infriging material (like your site)... ISP legal teams are usually eager to avoid litigation and are pretty streamlined at taking down infriging material.


[ironically, the information below was taken from www.chillingeffects.com]

Question: What are the notice and takedown procedures for web sites?

Answer: In order to have an allegedly infringing web site removed from a service provider's network, or to have access to an allegedly infringing website disabled, the copyright owner must provide notice to the service provider with the following information:



The name, address, and electronic signature of the complaining party [512(c)(3)(A)(i)]

The infringing materials and their Internet location [512(c)(3)(A)(ii-iii)], or if the service provider is an "information location tool" such as a search engine, the reference or link to the infringing materials [512(d)(3)].

Sufficient information to identify the copyrighted works [512(c)(3)(A)(iv)].

A statement by the owner that it has a good faith belief that there is no legal basis for the use of the materials complained of [512(c)(3)(A)(v)].

A statement of the accuracy of the notice and, under penalty of perjury, that the complaining party is authorized to act on the behalf of the owner [512(c)(3)(A)(vi)].


Once notice is given to the service provider, or in circumstances where the service provider discovers the infringing material itself, it is required to expeditiously remove, or disable access to, the material. The safe harbor provisions do not require the service provider to notify the individual responsible for the allegedly infringing material before it has been removed, but they do require notification after the material is removed.

Matt

[music-2-play]

Also, both the UK and US are parties to the WCT (World Intellectual Property Organisation Copyright Treaty) and recognise the 'making available right' that is in this treaty...This guy is clearly in breach of your making available right by copying your source code.

[kilmeedyman]

There is a web site that allows you to put a url in and it will show you what the web site looked like a year ago, two years ago etc.

Handy if you need to prove your web site existed first.

I can't dig it out while I am at work but will attempt to do so over the weekend.

[kilmeedyman]

Re-re-wind....

I have just found it. Its the 'waybackmachine' and it is at http://www.archive.org/index.php

type your url in and it will tell you the dates it took a snapshot of your site and you can click on them and look although things like picture links etc. might not work properly after this time, the code is still there.

Daz, your archive goes back to 14 Feb 2005. Take a look.

Phil

[Andy Westcott]

Proving the photos are yours should be a doddle - presumably you have the original high resolution images, whereas he won't.

Kick ass.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Proving the photos are yours should be a doddle - presumably you have the original high resolution images, whereas he won't.



I do have all the images in high res.:)

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[rob1963]

There are actually TWO isssues here.

Firstly, he's blatantly stolen the entire content from Darren's site.

Secondly, he's conning all his clients...because they won't get any of the rigs pictured on "his" site, as they all belong to Darren.

[Dragonfly]

well its all still there in its entirety???

[Penfold42]

Secondly, he's conning all his clients...because they won't get any of the rigs pictured on "his" site, as they all belong to Darren.
But he may have the same gear as Daz.....not saying it's right.....and doubt he does........just a thought....not siding with him....:)

well its all still there in its entirety???
BURN HIM!! BURN HIM!!.............:D :D :D

[rob1963]

But he may have the same gear as Daz

And what are the chances of that?

About 0%!

[Dragonfly]

do you know what you need Daz??????


















A nice board with your name on at the front :D :D :D :D :D

[Penfold42]

But he may have the same gear as Daz.....not saying it's right.....and doubt he does........just a thought....not siding with him....:)

BURN HIM!! BURN HIM!!.............:D :D :D


And what are the chances of that?

About 0%!

As i said.......but not % wise......might be licky if he has a rope light....:sofa: :D

[Andy Westcott]

Pity the images aren't hot-linked direct to your server (I'm assuming here that they are not) otherwise you could have some serious fun with replacing images with... others!!

[BeerFunk]

But he may have the same gear as Daz

And what are the chances of that?

About 0%!
Maybe he has cloned more than just the website! :eek:

[Jiggles]

dident know that the Americans were that advanced!! :D:D

[Penfold42]

Thanks to CB Entertainments for the heads up. I know he's in the States, but that's not the point.

Callum,

Matter of interest.....how did you come across this then....??

[Jiggles]

www.copyscape.com :D Was board so went through a few websites :D

[Dragonfly]

well there all at it

http://rickytictac.com/services/mobile/mobile.htm

looks remarkably like a whole chunk of my first page .....

[Excalibur]

well there all at it

http://rickytictac.com/services/mobile/mobile.htm

looks remarkably like a whole chunk of my first page .....

Even down to having a clown on it! :p :D :D

[Dragonfly]

Even down to having a clown on it! :p :D :D

I can remember a time I used to like you :D :D :D :D :beer1:

[Jiggles]

What a lot of clowing around :D Get them told :p

some ones copying me as well www.cb-entertainments.co.uk
























:D:D :cowboy: :run:

[rob1963]

some ones copying me as well www.cb-entertainments.co.uk

"Welcome to the home of CB Entertainments, one of Scotland's leading entertainment companies"


And how do you know this?

:rolleyes:

[BeerFunk]

"Welcome to the home of CB Entertainments, one of Scotland's leading entertainment companies"


And how do you know this?

:rolleyes:
It can't be proven true or false, so it's easy to say it - and why not? :)

[rob1963]

It can't be proven true or false, so it's easy to say it - and why not? :)

The problem is that if someone says "You say you're are one of Scotland's leading entertainment companies...how do you know this?"

How would you reply? :shrug:

The fact that you couldn't would just make you look stupid.

In my opinion, It's not a good idea to make claims you can't prove, because if someone DOES ask you to prove it, you're knackered...because you can't!

[Dragonfly]

The problem is that if someone says "You say you're are one of Scotland's leading entertainment companies...how do you know this?"

How would you reply? :shrug:


for me i'd say I think the fact ive had only a handful of weekends off in 2 years speaks for its self , plus ive had several other djs make nice comments about my show, Surely in this busness how good you are can be measured in how much work you get? well unless of course you charge £50 which I don't.

2 confirmed bookings since jan 1st so onwards and upwards.

[BeerFunk]

The problem is that if someone says "You say you're are one of Scotland's leading entertainment companies...how do you know this?"

How would you reply? :shrug:

The fact that you couldn't would just make you look stupid.

In my opinion, It's not a good idea to make claims you can't prove, because if someone DOES ask you to prove it, you're knackered...because you can't!
Well in Callum's case, he could easily make a claim along the lines of how quickly he has established himself, despite his age etc. He could focus on the growth and progress of his company (?) in such a short space of time - he could be 'leading' in this context.

[Jiggles]

ARGH! i have already had this discussion with my dad and grandad! :D:D

[PropellerHeadCase]

Majority rules, mate.

[Dragonfly]

Daz I think you have upset someone ....

[Penfold42]

*Ping - as dummy hit's the wall of the American house*

LOL......well done Daz.....:)

[Dragonfly]

admin might want to remove the link in the first post now as the footnote might not be appropriate for a family forum ?? :D

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

No, I'm going to leave it, so that people can see what a small minded, thieving, abusive idiot he is.

(I did laugh though!!)

Once again, thanks to the Tony at A1 for the help with this one.

[Shaun]

admin might want to remove the link in the first post now as the footnote might not be appropriate for a family forum ?? :D

Done!.

Charming comments he posted though. I wonder what his customers will think of him!

[Penfold42]

admin might want to remove the link in the first post now as the footnote might not be appropriate for a family forum ?? :D

I would say leave it......show's how much of a 'baby' we are talking about....

I hear 'Etch-a-sketch' is making a come back........:D :D :D :D :D

[JAMdisco]

Done!.

Charming comments he posted though. I wonder what his customers will think of him!

Do you really think this guy has customers? What was with the 5 Brits vs 1 American reference - is that you lot closing him down? Serves him right really, the complete FOOL!

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

What was with the 5 Brits vs 1 American reference

That's just him being very childish I would assume.

[rob1963]

No professional in their right mind would put a message like that on their website.

He's been found out & doesn't like it.

How pathetic.

[Penfold42]

http://felixbowers.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/dummy.jpg

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Well, although the comments werent very appropriate for a family forum, I was going to leave then there to show what an idiot the man is, but Shaun posted at the same time and has deleted the URL, which is fair enough. Go to the supporters area if you want to see what he put.

[rob1963]

To give non-supporters a rough idea, here's the clean version of what the guy has on his website now:

Sorry under construction at the moment

Heres a fact: British men are all :Censored: and have small :Censored: . Its no wonder all their women look for american men to "take care of them" A bunch of bonifide :Censored: . 5 Brits vs 1 American is a fair fight.

[PropellerHeadCase]

What a doofus.

[colint]

I'm always getting people copying bits of my website and pictures, but this takes the biscuit. *URL Removed - Content not suitable for family forum*

Thanks to CB Entertainments for the heads up. I know he's in the States, but that's not the point.

Has anyone got a copy of a cease and desist letter I can send for this?

You think you've got problems?
have a looky here:

http://www.fukaipro.com/en/products.asp

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Looks similar to something else I've seen.....

[colint]

Looks similar to something else I've seen.....

so does all the ohm stuff on the links page!

how saucy is that eh? martin audio are not amused! :eek:

[Jiggles]

Ah soo everyone is at it :D

[Vectis]

Well someone's at it for sure... and that someone clicked through from one of my postings on this very forum at 21:15 tonight, waded through a number of pages until 21:24 and then saved my 'Wedding Dances' page to their c:\ drive.

Now I know imitation is the best form of flattery but asking permission would have been nice :mad:

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Well someone's at it for sure... and that someone clicked through from one of my postings on this very forum at 21:15 tonight, waded through a number of pages until 21:24 and then saved my 'Wedding Dances' page to their c:\ drive.

Now I know imitation is the best form of flattery but asking permission would have been nice :mad:

Could have been a potential client looking for inspiration?

[Vectis]

Could have been a potential client looking for inspiration?

Did cross my mind... 'til I looked at the choice and order of pages that were viewed in the visit... very unusual selection for a potential customer, very likely selection for a DJ ;)

Still... it's out of date anyway and will be getting a revamp in the next couple of days with the whole 'weddings' section so yah boo sucks! :D

[PropellerHeadCase]

Yeah, but it's still relatively little work for them as you've already done it, especially as your "out of date" cast-offs will still be better than the vast majority of site material out there.

[Vectis]

Now flattery will get you anywhere :p

[PropellerHeadCase]

Good lord, I hope not :eek:

[rob1963]

Well someone's at it for sure... and that someone clicked through from one of my postings on this very forum at 21:15 tonight, waded through a number of pages until 21:24 and then saved my 'Wedding Dances' page to their c:\ drive.

Not guilty.

I was working last night, and my quiz punters are my witnesses!

:D :D :D

[yourdj]

Does that include bookmarking (safari on mac) or saving in favorites? surely that saves a copy of the link on the hard drive?

[Vectis]

Nope. It was saved as an MHT file on the local computer - that's an archive copy of the webpage/site and other pages it links to with all the link definitions edited to work locally.