Grammar and Spelling: The difference between...

[rob1963]

Today's lesson is to explain the difference between "they're" "their" and "there"

1) THEY'RE. This is simply short for "they are".

Example 1: "They're phoning me about it later"
Example 2: "They're posting less on the forum than they used to"
Example 3: "They're very intelligent"

2) THEIR. This means "belonging to them" and can be singular or plural.

Example 1: "Their rig looks really good"
Example 2: "I've been round to their house a couple of times"
Example 3: "I don't think their website looks very professional"

3) THERE. All other uses which do not fit either of the above descriptions.

Example 1: "There is a DJ I know who only lives 50 yards down the road"
Example 2: "If you have a look over there, you might find one"
Example 3: "There might be someone on this forum who can help"

Hope this helps!

:rolleyes: :p :D :D :D

[BeerFunk]

'Originally Posted by rob1963
"There is a DJ I know, and although I love their rig, I think they're spending too much on new gear"'

:confused:

Puzzled. How can you mix singular ("a DJ") and plural ("their"/"they're") in the same sentence like that? :confused:
:confused: You've confused me now! :confused:

It was a perfectly valid sentence as far as I can see. 'Their' can be used for a single party as well as a group of people, and as a general substitute for 'his'/'her'.

The same goes for 'they are', where 'they' can be used as a general term to refer to a single party, or a group.

As such, both of the following sentences are valid :

'There is a DJ I know, and although I love their rig, I think they're spending too much on new gear'

'There is a band I know, and although I love their rig, I think they're spending too much on new gear'

[Marc J]

As such, both of the following sentences are valid :

'There is a DJ I know, and although I love their rig, I think they're spending too much on new gear'

:agree:

Let's say you don't wan't to divulge if the DJ in question is male or female - you'd use "their...they're" instead of "his...he" or "her...she" - so it was fine in the first place ;)

[leighinstoke]

"There" relates to location - as in 'over there' and 'she lives down there'.

[rob1963]

Well now correct the bit about time travel then, Smartbottom!!!:eek:

Example 1: "There is a DJ I know who only lives 50 years down the road"


That's a Helluva journey!!:eek: :p :p :p :D :D :D :D

Thanks for pointing that out, Excalibur.

Consider it corrected!


:confused: You've confused me now! :confused:

It was a perfectly valid sentence as far as I can see. 'Their' can be used for a single party as well as a group of people, and as a general substitute for 'his'/'her'.

The same goes for 'they are', where 'they' can be used as a general term to refer to a single party, or a group.

As such, both of the following sentences are valid :

'There is a DJ I know, and although I love their rig, I think they're spending too much on new gear'

'There is a band I know, and although I love their rig, I think they're spending too much on new gear'

That's what I thought, beerfunk...but the whole point of my post was to simplify things, so I decided to delete the phrase which used all three words anyway.


:agree:

Let's say you don't wan't to divulge if the DJ in question is male or female - you'd use "thier...they're" instead of "his...he" or "her...she" - so it was fine in the first place ;)

Thanks Marc...it's good to know I'm not going mad!

:D

I've just checked a dictionary which confirmed that their can be singular as well as plural:

Quote:

Their. Used after an indefinite singular antecedent in place of the definite masculine form his or the definite feminine form her): Someone left their book on the table. Did everyone bring their lunch?

[Danno13]

But should "DJ's" have an apostrophe?

[PropellerHeadCase]

Of course I'm not Al, although I've just looked out the window & must say how beautiful New Zealand looks this time of year!

...and the proof that Rob is Rob and that I am Al is that the weather, in fact, is utter crap today.



Ok...I've removed the example of all 3 uses in the same sentence to keep things simple.

Tee-Hee - sprung!



There are some DJ's I know, and although I love their rigs, I think they're spending too much on new gear"


But should "DJ's" have an apostrophe?

Apostrophes following initials or numerals is a style issue rather than a grammar issue, per sé. I prefer not to write it as DJ's, but as DJs, and I prefer to write 80s, rather than 80's, but both are in fact correct - it does not denote a possessive in this instance. Had he said: "There are some Deejay's I know, and although I love their rigs, I think they're spending too much on new gear", that WOULD be incorrect.

[BeerFunk]

Apostrophes following initials or numerals is a style issue rather than a grammar issue, per sé. I prefer not to write it as DJ's, but as DJs, and I prefer to write 80s, rather than 80's, but both are in fact correct - it does not denote a possessive in this instance. Had he said: "There are some Deejay's I know, and although I love their rigs, I think they're spending too much on new gear", that WOULD be incorrect.
:agree:

:eek:

The simple way to remember where an apostrophe should be used is that it indicates something is missing. So, on that notion, DJ's is technically correct as it has been shortened from 'Disc Jockeys'. However, if you follow that rule, I would suggest that an apostrophe is technically missing between the 'D' and 'J'. I'm not sure why there would be an apostrophe in 80s, unless it is intended to indicate the numerical abbreviation of 'eighties'.

I'd have thought everyone should know most of this, seeing as it is taught at primary school! :D (Age is directly proportional to the validity of your excuse!)

[Corabar Steve]

I'd have thought everyone should know most of this, seeing as it is taught at primary school! :D (Age is directly proportional to the validity of your excuse!)

Apart from the dyslexics























































Genuine dyslexics please note, I am referring to those who use it as an excuse for laziness & not you.

[theoloyla]

Language is important and being able to use it correctly and be clearly understood is even more important. So there!

[Corabar Steve]

:claphands: :claphands: :claphands: :claphands: :claphands: :claphands: :claphands: :claphands: :claphands: :claphands: :claphands: Hear hear!

[rob1963]

Language is important and being able to use it correctly and be clearly understood is even more important. So there!


:claphands: :claphands: :claphands: :claphands: :claphands: :claphands: :claphands: :claphands: :claphands: :claphands: :claphands: Hear hear!

Seconded!

:D :D :D

[rob1963]

Why thank you my friend!

:D :D :D

PS...Beerfunk, Marc J and the dictionary I checked all agreed that "their" and "they're" could be singular OR plural.....so although I was accused of it, I actually WASN'T mixing plural & singular in the same sentence!

:)

[leighinstoke]

But should "DJ's" have an apostrophe?

It depends if it belongs to them.

As in "this is the DJ's car".

Not "A room full of DJs".

[PropellerHeadCase]

It depends if it belongs to them.

As in "this is the DJ's car".

Not "A room full of DJs".

Er, no, this has been covered...


Apostrophes following initials or numerals is a style issue rather than a grammar issue, per sé. I prefer not to write it as DJ's, but as DJs, and I prefer to write 80s, rather than 80's, but both are in fact correct - it does not denote a possessive in this instance. Had he said: "There are some Deejay's I know, and although I love their rigs, I think they're spending too much on new gear", that WOULD be incorrect.


:agree:

:eek:

The simple way to remember where an apostrophe should be used is that it indicates something is missing. So, on that notion, DJ's is technically correct as it has been shortened from 'Disc Jockeys'. However, if you follow that rule, I would suggest that an apostrophe is technically missing between the 'D' and 'J'. I'm not sure why there would be an apostrophe in 80s, unless it is intended to indicate the numerical abbreviation of 'eighties'.

And to answer Beer's question, the reason for the lack of apostrophe in the middle is because there used to be a full-stop denoting a letter within an acronym but in modern usage the full-stop has been dropped, this is also why the apostrophe is now a matter of style rather than grammar.

[soundtracker]

Says he who's brought it back up over 6 weeks after the previous post! :D :D




I think their are a few people who bring up old posts to improve they're post count! :D

and used their instead of THERE!

[JAMdisco]

and used their instead of THERE!

That was intended as tongue in cheek, I'm wright gud at Engelish Me! :D :p :D

[Shaun]

Working out the difference between they're their and there isn't too difficult. I left school early without sitting the vast majority of my exams (including English). If I can figure it out there's hope for everyone else. :o

[Dynamic Entertainment]

Working out the difference between they're their and there isn't too difficult. I left school early without sitting the vast majority of my exams (including English). If I can figure it out there's hope for everyone else. :o

But youve got an excuse, being all foreign and that..... :D

[Penfold42]

Working out the difference between they're their and there isn't too difficult. I left school early without sitting the vast majority of my exams (including English). If I can figure it out there's hope for everyone else. :o

:o

We need to get together....:eek: ...coz i'm thick as pig poo.....:o

[Babybob]

What about the frequent use of the word "OF" when members should use "HAVE".
I doubt if I am the only one to have noticed this in recent weeks....I could name names as to who are the most frequent perpetrators but I will resist to protect their/they're/there (delete as necessary...lol) identities.
;)

[Excalibur]

What about the frequent use of the word "OF" when members should use "HAVE".
I doubt if I am the only one to have noticed this in recent weeks....I could name names as to who are the most frequent perpetrators but I will resist to protect their/they're/there (delete as necessary...lol) identities.
;)

I'd support the reinstatement of the death penalty for this offence. ;)

[Jiggles]

Awww thanks. Not I sir. Not my fault that the curriculum teaches utter kack! :p

[Shaun]

My spelling and grammar isn't the best. You only need to ask Marc who proof read my website before it went 'live'.

More recently it was pointed out that I made some pretty serious grammatical errors when I added a new clause about spelling and grammer in the forum rules. :d I am that bad when it comes to my English skills.

I do try to make an effort though, which is all we can ask of anybody. I see it as good spelling and grammar practice for when I communicate with clients. Also, our clients or potential clients could be reading what we post.

It never ceases to amaze me the amount of spelling errors people use when posting. Or the usuage of 'txt talk'. The way I see it is that the forum is a professional forum for our industry, and where possible we should all try to communicate in the most professional manner possible. Text talk and poor spelling is fine for texting your mates, but not really needed nor welcome on the forum.

[Dynamic Entertainment]

I hold my hands up with the posting. I get way ahead of myself and try to type faster than my brain can think...and youve probalbly noticed its even worse of late...blooming new keyboard with all spongy buttons.

[Shaun]

and youve probalbly noticed its even worse of late...blooming new keyboard with all spongy buttons.

Yeah yeah...blame the tools. :D :D

[Dynamic Entertainment]

I aint blaming me or the system im running now....lovely computer :D

[Twinspin]

My english has always been good not boasting or anything. The biggest strength i had in english was spelling. I used to always get them all right there was subjects i wasnt good at like Religious education.

but i wasnt interested in that. but

I know all my times tables which is completely off topic :D :D

2,4,6,8,10,12,14,16,18,20,22,24

3,6,9,12,15,18,21,24,27,30,33,36

4,8,12,16,20,24,28,32,36,40,44,48

5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55,60

6,12,18,24,30,36,42,48,54,60,66,72

7,14,21,28,35,42,49,56,63,70,77.84

8,16,24,32,40,48,56,64,72,80,88,96

9,18,27,36,45,54,63,72,81,90,99,108

10,20,30,40,50,60,70,80,90,100,110,120

11,22,33,44,55,66,77,88,99 110,121,132

12,24,36,48,60,72,84,96,108,120, 132,144

now where is my medal :D :D :D In all seriousness i was good at times tables at school. we did them in primary school at an early age
no wonder im fat i used to get all the sweets for getting multiplication sums right.

[Corabar Steve]

Yeah yeah...blame the tools. :D :D
I would say it's a valid excuse.

I make about 50% more typos using the laptop than I do with the desktop

[Shaun]

I would say it's a valid excuse.

I make about 50% more typos using the laptop than I do with the desktop

That's when the 'Preview Post' function comes in handy. :)

[rob1963]

Having seen the confusion in a number of posts, I think it's about time we cleared this one up, so here is the difference in very simple terms:


Loose = The opposite of tight.

Lose = Mislay, come to be without.


That's the end of today's lesson.

:D

[Charlie Brown]

Try and do a lesson a day Rob :) Might go down quite well (Y)

[discomobiledj]

Maybe there should be a grammar mod on here!

[Excalibur]

Maybe there should be a grammar mod on here!

A suggestion I was about to make elsewhere. For some of us it's becoming quite painful reading this forum.

[rob1963]

I had a PM suggesting I do this one next, and spookily I'd already been considering it as my next one!

Bought = Purchased. "I bought my smoke machine on ebay"

Brought = Carried, transported. "Have you brought your smoke machine?"

:D

[Shaun]

Good stuff. I think we may need a 'Rob's English Master-Class' sub forum. :D

[PropellerHeadCase]

:agree:

Now, what about 'Cleave/Cleave' and 'Raze/Raise'?

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

:agree:

Now, what about 'Cleave/Cleave'

:confused:

[rob1963]

Now, what about 'Cleave/Cleave' ?


:confused:

I agree with Darren.

The reason people confuse Cleave & Cleave is that they are both the same!


Wasn't one of them married to Henry VIII?

:shrug:

[Corabar Steve]

I agree with Darren.

The reason people confuse Cleave & Cleave is that they are both the same!
Au contraire:

To split with or as if with a sharp instrument

To adhere, cling, or stick fast.

[rob1963]

Ok folks, professor James here again with a bank holiday lesson on two more words which people often seem to mix up.

Advice = Opinion(s) about what should be done about a situation.

Example: "I need some advice about which lighting to buy"


Advise = Offer advice to, inform, notify.

Example: "I would advise you to get a Datamoon"

:D

[Excalibur]

Rob, I advise other forum members to always heed your sound advice on the use of the English Language. ;) :D

I would of preferred to of seen a tip on another of my pet hates. :bang:

[Jiggles]

Rob I'd Advise you to stop being pedantic and take my advice and go back to your quizzes :ph34r:





Just had to say something like that :D It's probably wrong. :p

[theoloyla]

Dont take any notice of them Rob. Keep up the campaign for correct use of English.
Incidentally I learned the other day that there are as many different words in the average edition of the Sun as in the whole of the King James edition Bible.

[rob1963]

Rob I'd Advise you to stop being pedantic and take my advice and go back to your quizzes :ph34r:

Just had to say something like that :D It's probably wrong. :p

Yes it is wrong, Callum...because being pedantic & trying to help people with the English language are two very different things!


Dont take any notice of them Rob. Keep up the campaign for correct use of English.

Don't worry, Theo...I will! :thumbsup:

[Kernow]

Rob, I advise other forum members to always heed your sound advice on the use of the English Language. ;) :D

I would of preferred to of seen a tip on another of my pet hates. :bang:

That would be of/have ??

No doubt the Emeritus Professor will be on the case ;)

[soundtracker]

That would be of/have ??

No doubt the Emeritus Professor will be on the case ;)

Er... think you missed the point there sir!:)

[Kernow]

Er... think you missed the point there sir!:)

But maybe made another ;)


Rob, I advise other forum members to always heed your sound advice on the use of the English Language. ;) :D

I would of preferred to of seen a tip on another of my pet hates. :bang:

I would have preferred to have seen....etc etc. etc.

:p :D :D

[PropellerHeadCase]

Speaking of 'S' Vs. 'C' - what is it with people writing 'responce'?

It drives me nuts.

[rob1963]

Speaking of 'S' Vs. 'C' - what is it with people writing 'responce'?

It drives me nuts.

I've also noticed that a couple of times, Al...but I have no idea where it comes from, as I've never seen it anywhere else.

:shrug:

[Kernow]

It's the same with laser & lazer.......

The 'S' in the acronym stands for 'stimulated' :confused:

[Excalibur]

Speaking of 'S' Vs. 'C' - what is it with people writing 'responce'?

It drives me nuts.

Just what has Spring Viraemia of Carp got to do with this Forum? :confused:

[PropellerHeadCase]

That's a stretch. nothing :p

[Kernow]

Just what has Spring Viraemia of Carp got to do with this Forum? :confused:

It's all a question of 'scale' ?? ;)

[rob1963]

Having seen some recent posts & even some forum members' websites, I think this thread needs a bump...as there are clearly a number of people who have yet to read & understand it.

:shrug:

[PropellerHeadCase]

Then again, Rob using the ampersand as you did is a bit gauche, too. Personally I only ever use ampersand to join two elements that are part of a greater whole like Simon & Garfunkel.

[rob1963]

Then again, Rob using the ampersand as you did is a bit gauche, too. Personally I only ever use ampersand to join two elements that are part of a greater whole like Simon & Garfunkel.

I have similar views.

[Corabar Steve]

I use it all the time & I don't care.

[soundtracker]

Glad that you have revived this thread, could be a few that would benefit from reading it! Now off to smoke um pipe of peace!

[Corabar Steve]

Eh?
Now off to smoke um pipe of peace!
Sorry old bean I only speak English
:sj:

[rob1963]

Glad that you have revived this thread, could be a few that would benefit from reading it!

:agree:

I'm horrified at the number of people who mix up these words. If I had a pound for every website I'd seen it on...

[MagicMusic]

Its a shocking state of affairs that kids are leaving school without such a simple understanding of literacy.

I left school at fifteen with 0 qualifications and started working. In Glasgow. Have you ever watched Rab C Nesbitt? If I am capable of understanding basic English - anyone is.

My personal hate is would OF instead of HAVE. God help us.

These are the same people (I'm speaking from my personal experience, a couple of people in particular that I know) who groan about foreigners not being able to speak English - half of the native population can't speak it properly what chance do immigrants have!?!

I just thought of another one. Up here we're a fan of eating sausages, egg etc on a morning roll - a butty.

Its described as a "roll 'n' sausage" the 'n' being an abbreviation of 'and' just like rock 'n' roll.

Some of the geniuses up here refer to it as a roll IN sausage. When was the last time you ate a sausage with a roll in it? No, me neither.

I've actually seen that printed on signage and menu boards in cafe's. Utterly disgraceful!

[rob1963]

Its described as a "roll 'n' sausage" the 'n' being an abbreviation of 'and' just like rock 'n' roll.

I must admit I don't like the 'n' abbreviation for 'and' either.

Even in my music library, all instances of 'n' have been replaced by the '&' sign.

[MagicMusic]

I must admit I don't like the 'n' abbreviation for 'and' either.

I don't either but its another example of people's distorted interpretation of spoken language finding its way into the mainstream vocabulary (well, up here in that example). The would of instead of have is the best example.

Kids have simply started spelling words phonetically its very, very, poor and for me is a sad reflection of modern society and the continual dumbing down of absolutely everything.

[BeerFunk]

These are the same people (I'm speaking from my personal experience, a couple of people in particular that I know) who groan about foreigners not being able to speak English - half of the native population can't speak it properly what chance do immigrants have!?!In actual fact, a large proportion of people from Eastern Europe or Asia coming to work here have a better grasp of English than a lot of the school leavers.

They must surely be surprised at how easily they find work, and fit into society. I've always been particularly impressed by the level of English taught in Scandanavia, and surrounding countries.


I must admit I don't like the 'n' abbreviation for 'and' either.

Even in my music library, all instances of 'n' have been replaced by the '&' sign.Well, in that particular case, there is a clear difference between the two when pronounced vocally.

Take 'Guns 'n' Roses', for example. It wouldn't sound the same if you actually pronounced it 'Guns And Roses'!

[MagicMusic]

a large proportion of people from Eastern Europe or Asia coming to work here have a better grasp of English than a lot of the school leavers.

That was my point the illiterate amongst us have the cheek to comment on those who come here to live when they have little comprehension of the language themselves!

[rob1963]

Well, in that particular case, there is a clear difference between the two when pronounced vocally.

Take 'Guns 'n' Roses', for example. It wouldn't sound the same if you actually pronounced it 'Guns And Roses'!

True, but in mot cases, I think people generally tend to pronounce the word "and" as "n" anyway.

Having just checked my music library, I have the group you mentioned listed as "Guns & Roses"

[soundtracker]

True, but in mot cases, I think people generally tend to pronounce the word "and" as "n" anyway.

Having just checked my music library, I have the group you mentioned listed as "Guns & Roses"

I don't think that I have ever used 'n' when having my car put through its MOT?

[Corabar Steve]

Its a shocking state of affairs that kids are leaving school without such a simple understanding of literacy
Why oh why do they all seem to be gravitating towards this site?

In the last few days I've spotted the following basic English errors whit the words being transposed. Think / Thing, Know / No, There / They're / Their, Of / Have & Advise / Advice.

True, but in mot cases, I think people generally tend to pronounce the word "and" as "n" anyway.

Having just checked my music library, I have the group you mentioned listed as "Guns & Roses"
So you've taken it upon yourself to change a band's name?

Or is every G 'n' R track in your library by a tribute act? (which Guns & Roses is, & they get away with it with the use of the & instead of the n)

The 'n' is actually part of the name & as such shouldn't be changed.

I bet you haven't got tracks by B asterisk Witched or Slash DC listed. Of course not, but you probably have B*Witched & AC/DC.

How would you like it if we all started calling you Rab Games?

[rob1963]

So you've taken it upon yourself to change a band's name?

I wouldn't say I've changed a band's name as such, I've just decided to list that particular group as Guns & Roses in my music library...which nobody apart from me uses or even sees...so I don't really see the problem.

I also remove the words "The" and "A" from all groups & song titles that begin with either of those words.

It's just the way I choose to do things, so I don't see why it should matter to anyone else.

:confused:


Or is every G 'n' R track in your library by a tribute act? (which Guns & Roses is, & they get away with it with the use of the & instead of the n)

I don't have any tracks by tribute acts, so if it says "Guns & Roses" in my index, I know it's by the band you know as "Guns 'n' Roses"


I bet you haven't got tracks by B asterisk Witched or Slash DC listed. Of course not, but you probably have B*Witched & AC/DC.

Having just checked, I actually have B*Witched listed as B Witched, although AC/DC are listed as AC/DC, as I don't have a problem with the forward slash.


How would you like it if we all started calling you Rab Games?

To be honest, I really wouldn't mind, as it would still be preferable to many of the things I've been called on here!

:D :D :D

[Corabar Steve]

But Rab, you have changed their name.

The band is called Guns n Roses, not Guns & Roses or Guns And Roses & I've never heard it pronounced as anything other than 'n' (taking into account I come from a Rock background, I think I would've heard and if it was in use).

The & symbol replaces the word and, not the letter N, & using it as such incorectly renames the band as Guns AND Roses, which is not their name.http://planetsmilies.net/vicious-smiley-1763.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)

[rob1963]

But Rab, you have changed their name.

The band is called Guns n Roses, not Guns & Roses or Guns And Roses & I've never heard it pronounced as anything other than 'n' (taking into account I come from a Rock background, I think I would've heard and if it was in use).

The & symbol replaces the word and, not the letter N, & using it as such incorectly renames the band as Guns AND Roses, which is not their name.http://planetsmilies.net/vicious-smiley-1763.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)

Fair enough Steve. You're right...I HAVE changed their name.

I've also changed the name of B*Witched, and the names of all groups & songs titles starting with the words "A" or "The" (which I havent just changed, but I've removed these words completely!).

I can only apologise for the fact that the way I choose to list the artists & songs in my own music library fails to meet with your approval.

P.S. You incorrectly spelt the word incorrectly! :p

[Corabar Steve]

Just trying to keep you on your toes

[rob1963]

Just trying to keep you on your toes

As I was when I pointed out your incorrect spelling of the word incorrect.

:D

[Corabar Steve]

Actually you pointed out my incorrect spelling of the word incorrectly :P

[NKR]

I think I might make the odd mistake during my posts, but not too many I hope.

In any case it will generally be a head working faster than hands scenario rather than an ignorance of the language.

[Corabar Entertainment]

We all make the odd mistake: no-one's perfect and we're not writing for publication on here, but it does annoy me immensely when people make no effort whatsoever with their spelling / grammar / punctuation.

If you are communicating with others, you have an obligation to try and make yourself clearly understood, rather than expecting others to put in the effort to decipher what you have written.

Yes, some people do have poor spelling, etc - but we all have the availability of spell checkers these days, and I think we all have the obligation to try and learn a little every day. Besides that, I'm sure that everyone knows that a sentence begins with a capital letter and that 'I' isn't written 'i', etc...... and we all know what we all think on here about 'txt speak'! :eek:

Expecting others to put in the effort to comprehend your posts when you have made no effort smacks of rudeness to me.

[MagicMusic]

If you are communicating with others, you have an obligation to try and make yourself clearly understood, rather than expecting others to put in the effort to decipher what you have written.

Expecting others to put in the effort to comprehend your posts when you have made no effort smacks of rudeness to me.

Couldn't agree more. At times I have genuinely wondered if people are maybe typing English as their second language, honestly, some of the stuff I have seen is that bad!

[rob1963]

Actually you pointed out my incorrect spelling of the word incorrectly :P

That as well, Steve!

:D


We all make the odd mistake: no-one's perfect and we're not writing for publication on here, but it does annoy me immensely when people make no effort whatsoever with their spelling / grammar / punctuation.

If you are communicating with others, you have an obligation to try and make yourself clearly understood, rather than expecting others to put in the effort to decipher what you have written.

Yes, some people do have poor spelling, etc - but we all have the availability of spell checkers these days, and I think we all have the obligation to try and learn a little every day. Besides that, I'm sure that everyone knows that a sentence begins with a capital letter and that 'I' isn't written 'i', etc...... and we all know what we all think on here about 'txt speak'! :eek:

Expecting others to put in the effort to comprehend your posts when you have made no effort smacks of rudeness to me.

I couldn't agree more, Angela.

Your suggestion that some people have poor spelling is rather polite, to say the least. I'm not mentioning any names, but I can think of one or two people whose posts are a complete joke...and how they manage to run a business is completely beyond me.

:confused:

[soundtracker]

I can think of one or two people whose posts are a complete joke...and how they manage to run a business is completely beyond me.

:confused:

Absolutely agree 100% - by pointing out the errors we are actually helping them with their business!

[Corabar Entertainment]

:bang: :bang: :bang:

How difficult is it to work out the difference between 'your' (as in, belonging to someone) and 'you're' (as in, short for 'you are')

This one seems to be almost de rigeur at the moment!

Needed to get that one off my chest.... it's really bugging me at the moment...

...I'll get off the soap box now!


NEXT! :soapbox:

[Totally Plucked]

Couldn't agree more. At times I have genuinely wondered if people are maybe typing English as their second language, honestly, some of the stuff I have seen is that bad!

It is my second language............WELSH is my first !! :) :)

[rob1963]

It is my second language............WELSH is my first !! :) :)

Looking at the forum, English seems to be the second language of quite a few people!

[robbiedj]

Yes, some people do have poor spelling, etc - but we all have the availability of spell checkers these days,

Angela, spell checkers don't always work. Unfortunately, if a word is spelt correctly it is passed, but may not be the right word, as in the title of this thread.

Another problem is when people have the spell checker set on US English. We all know they can't speak (or spell) real English. The dropping of u in -ou spelling, e.g. color, humor etc or f for -ph is all to common.

I can't spell as I am dyslexic and so are my daughters to varying degrees, but Carol does my writing for me and corrects my mistakes. That way, I hope you can all read it and understand. :thumbsup:

[Corabar Entertainment]

Completely agree with everything you've said Robbie, but people like yourself seem to always make that extra effort. (and for the record, I can't recall ever having noticed a mistake in your posts).

It's those people who do not make the effort to learn that irritate me!

[Excalibur]

Completely agree with everything you've said Robbie, but people like yourself seem to always make that extra effort. (and for the record, I can't recall ever having noticed a mistake in your posts).

It's those people who do not make the effort to learn that irritate me!

Agreed totally. Won't say more, because it might cause offence. :zip:

[rob1963]

Your = Belonging to you. (Your car, Your rig, Your booking forms).

You're = You are. (You're learning, You're having a laugh, You're fat).

:D

[yourdj]

Im glad someone is also up at the same time as me. im not getting involved in this though. too clever for me

[rob1963]

im not getting involved in this though. too clever for me

The OP is too clever for you?

:eek: :eek: :eek:

[Corabar Steve]

If anyone should know the difference, it's Toby (considering his user / business name).

Also Peter (Excalibur), coz he's yore DJ :sj:

[rob1963]

If anyone should know the difference, it's Toby (considering his user / business name).

Exactly what I was thinking when I read his post about it being too clever for him!

[rob1963]

Bump

:bang:

[Corabar Entertainment]

I think we're talking to brick walls here. :( :( :(

[Charlie Brown]

I think I have mastered it?

[Corabar Steve]

Nope!

[Excalibur]

If anyone should know the difference, it's Toby (considering his user / business name).

Also Peter (Excalibur), coz he's yore DJ :sj:


Does he do Retro Knights?

Hey ho, I suppose if you can't take it, you shouldn't dish it out. :D :D :D

[Charlie Brown]

Nope!


Well.... you are doing something = you're

your an idiot = your?

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Well.... you are doing something = you're

your an idiot = your?

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo o!

You're = you are

[Corabar Steve]

No, you're an idiot :sj:

[Charlie Brown]

Ohhh....

I see. So when do you ever use "your"

Your pigs have crept into my wardrobe?

[Charlie Brown]

No, you're an idiot :sj:

:boxer2:

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

"It's your turn to pay for the drinks...."

If it was you're, then the sentence would read "It's you are turn to pay for the drinks"

[Corabar Steve]

Ohhh....

I see. So when do you ever use "your"

Your pigs have crept into my wardrobe?
By Jove he's got it!


:boxer2:
Merely pointing out correct usage from your example

[Corabar Entertainment]

Yay!


Yep.... 'Your' is used when it's something belonging to someone - as in the example you gave Charlie "Your pigs" - ie the pigs belonging to you :D

An ' is used to abbreviate 2 words in to 1 word (should've, would've, could've. weren't, wasn't, hasn't, isn't, you're, we're, etc) and is used to take the place of the missing letter(s).

[Excalibur]

Yay!


Yep.... 'Your' is used when it's something belonging to someone - as in the example you gave Charlie "Your pigs" - ie the pigs belonging to you :D

An ' is used to abbreviate 2 words in to 1 word (should've, would've, could've. weren't, wasn't, hasn't, isn't, you're, we're, etc) and is used to take the place of the missing letter(s).

Well that's the your/you're usage sorted, could you be so kind as to sort out the Would of/would have fiasco before it drives me totally bonkers. Thanks in advance Angela. ;)

[Shaun]

I just want to say 'well done Charlie'. Nice to see you striving to improve. :)

Now...if only the older ones would show the same initiative.

[Charlie Brown]

Thank you guys.

I'll try my best. Let me know if I slip up - so I actually learn. :)

[Excalibur]

Thank you guys.

I'll try my best. Let me know if I slip up - so I actually learn. :)

Fear not, young Charlie. ;) Any errors, omissions or transgressions will be brought to your notice swiftly and forcefully. ;)

[Corabar Entertainment]

:lol:

[Charlie Brown]

Fear not, young Charlie. ;) Any errors, omissions or transgressions will be brought to your notice swiftly and forcefully. ;)


Thank you Grandad. :sj:

[rob1963]

Judging from some of the recent posts, I feel it's necessary to quote to OP again. I couldn't have made it any simpler than I did.


Your = Belonging to you. (Your car, Your rig, Your booking forms).

You're = You are. (You're learning, You're having a laugh, You're fat).

:D

[Excalibur]

Judging from some of the recent posts, I feel it's necessary to quote to OP again. I couldn't have made it any simpler than I did.

You forgot this smilie mate.






:flog:

[rob1963]

You forgot this smilie mate.

:flog:

I think you're right, Peter...and your smiley was apt.

[Shaun]

Rob,

I've merged all your 'Difference between' threads into this one thread. I believe they're a helpful tool so it makes sense to have them in one place. :beer1:

[rob1963]

Rob,

I've merged all your 'Difference between' threads into this one thread. I believe they're a helpful tool so it makes sense to have them in one place. :beer1:

Cheers, Shaun.

:beer1:

[Danno13]

Can I also add once more that DJs and Discos don't have apostrophes!!!

This really drives me mad - since I've changed my business name the amount of clients/suppliers who seem to think it correct to add one, despite it not being present on any paperwork or forms I've submitted is ridiculous!

[rob1963]

Can I also add once more that DJs and Discos don't have apostrophes!!!

Not surprisingly, I knew that!

:D :D :D

[Danno13]

I should add that they do if used in the possesive.. i.e. the DJ's mixer (I won't include a use for disco's as I don't like the use of that word in that way - I'm a DJ, a disco is something that happened in the 70s :D)

[Dynamic Entertainment]

:
Can I also add once more that DJs and Discos don't have apostrophes!!!

This really drives me mad - since I've changed my business name the amount of clients/suppliers who seem to think it correct to add one, despite it not being present on any paperwork or forms I've submitted is ridiculous!

Can i just add that Entertainments isnt a real word either.....

***Incoming*** :sofa:

:D


.......sorry, had to be done :o

[Booche]

:

Can i just add that Entertainments isnt a real word either.....

***Incoming*** :sofa:

:D


.......sorry, had to be done :o

:boxer2: :boxer2: :boxer2: They'd be fateing wods rind ere ( dodgy derbyshire accent ) lol

P.S. yes the spelling is meant to be like that sorry before hand :P

Cheers Dave :)

[rob1963]

:

Can i just add that Entertainments isnt a real word either.....

:youdaman:

[soundtracker]

What is the plural of 'entertainment'?
In: Entertainment and Arts, Plural Nouns


There are two answers: "entertainment" and "entertainments". How can that be?

Well, the word "entertainment" is one of those nouns that can be used in two ways, with subtly different meanings.
"Entertainment" can be an abstract noun, like "happiness". In this form, the word roughly means "enjoyment". You might switch on the TV hoping for some entertainment. But if you find two programs enjoyable, you cannot talk of having found two entertainments, any more than you can talk of two happinesses. In this sense, entertainment has no plural form, just like "happiness" and "fun".
Entertainment can also have a more concrete form, in which it refers to a particular offering, like a show in a theater, or a concert. The word usually refers to an organized, structured affair. If you go to two shows, you could say that you have been to see two entertainments.
So there are two answers. But you have to treat the two forms of the word differently, because one is a non-count noun, and the other is a countable one. You could describe a town as offering "plenty of entertainment", or as putting on "many entertainments".

[Kernow]

[QUOTE=soundtracker;429644] like a show in a theater, or a concert. The word usually refers to an organized, structured affair. If you go to two shows, you could say that you have been to see two entertainments.
QUOTE]


Or revert to adjective form and say that you have been doubly entertained ? :)

[rob1963]

You could describe a town as offering "plenty of entertainment", or as putting on "many entertainments".

The day I hear someone use the phrase "many entertainments" I'll let you know.

What a load of rubbish!

There you go...I bit as expected!

[soundtracker]

The day I hear someone use the phrase "many entertainments" I'll let you know.

What a load of rubbish!

There you go...I bit as expected!

What a load of rubbish says the DJ

But the Cambridge Dictionary says:

Definition
entertainment noun /en.təˈteɪn.mənt//-t ̬ɚ-/ [C or U]
shows, films, television, or other performances or activities that entertain people, or a performance of this type
There's not much in the way of entertainment in this town - just the cinema and a couple of pubs.
formal This season's entertainments include five new plays and several concerts of Chinese and Indian music.

[rob1963]

What a load of rubbish says the DJ

But the Cambridge Dictionary says:

Definition
entertainment noun /en.təˈteɪn.mənt//-t ̬ɚ-/ [C or U]
shows, films, television, or other performances or activities that entertain people, or a performance of this type
There's not much in the way of entertainment in this town - just the cinema and a couple of pubs.
formal This season's entertainments include five new plays and several concerts of Chinese and Indian music.

And my Oxford Dictionary has no mention of the word entertainments.

Do a UK Google search on both words, then ask yourself why entertainment brings up over 92 million results but entertainments only brings up 880,000 if both words are equally valid.

[soundtracker]

And my Oxford Dictionary has no mention of the word entertainments.

Do a UK Google search on both words, then ask yourself why entertainment brings up over 92 million results but entertainments only brings up 880,000 if both words are equally valid.

Are you sure Have a look at the following then:
1. Aladdin's cave

2. arena

3. circuit

4. holiday camp

5. rag2

All of these definitions within your OXFORD English Dictionary contain the word entertainments

Q.E.D

[rob1963]

Pete,

If people want to use the word entertainments, that's fine with me.

I don't want to go round in circles, so I'm bowing out of this discussion now.