Brit Awards 08

[Falling Frog]

Well the Brit Awards 2008 has started!

What is with this opening?? It is terrible!! Hopefully things will get better

[Adam_F]

LoL, yeah, Mika & Beth....

Hopefully it will!

[Falling Frog]

The Klaxons & Rihanna colaboration wasn't that special either! She was also out of tune in places, which makes me wonder if the monitor mix is a bit dodgy and the singers can't hear themselves!

[Adam_F]

The lasers were impressive though!
Think Chris Moyles needs to stick to the radio too.

[rob1963]

In my opinion, when Rihanna was performing Umbrella, they went WAY over the top with the lasers.

It looked like a kid with a new toy!

[Falling Frog]

Kylie is just in her own league performance wise isn't she!

Agree with rob about the lasers was over the top.

[DJWilson]

the brits isnt no good,

1: cannot make them sound as good as they do in a studio
2: they seem to change the version of the songs (for the worse)

[Adam_F]

Kylie is just in her own league performance wise isn't she!


Certainly is!



Agree with rob about the lasers was over the top.


They were, but if I had them I'd be the same LoL

[rob1963]

Kylie is just in her own league performance wise isn't she!

Agreed.

Also, what's up with Sharon Osbourne?

I can't put my finger on it, but she doesn't seem very natural.

[Penfold42]

In my opinion, when Rihanna was performing Umbrella, they went WAY over the top with the lasers.

Thought the lasers were spot on...good impact for a classy do.........and as it's not a wedding......:sofa:.....just right for my taste....good effect.

They were, but if I had them I'd be the same LoL
Yep i agree..

[DJWilson]

mika didnt look to pleased with ronson :lol: and to top it off rinson isnt a singer

[Falling Frog]

That Kaiser Chiefs set is pretty cool!

[DJWilson]

That Kaiser Chiefs set is pretty cool!


it looks like that little city in lego land :lol:

[DJWilson]

i liked the mastercard sponser :) superfreak - priceless


cant hear the instruments to bleeding love :(

[rob1963]

If only all artists could sing live as well as Leona Lewis.

[Falling Frog]

Oh dear bad feedback at the end of Leona Lewis!!

[jamesh]

lol yeah the brits is deffo more fun spotting all the mistakes than watching the artists....

Brings back great memories of when i was at the brit school and got to go a couple of years and be one of the screaming brats in the crowd!

[Falling Frog]

I didn't realise you went to the Brit School James! Why aren't you up there collecting an award for Best British Male? lol

[jamesh]

yeah its the whole reason i left redditch and moved to croydon when i was a little lad of 16...

and yep i was up for best british male but sadly to work commitments this week i had to decline :P

[wensleydale]

seen bits of it and it was all terrible.

at least ozzy has put me off drugs again.

drugs are bad m'kay.

[Digitalsounds]

Firstly i thought Paul Mcartney was awesome and the sound was spot on in fact better better than any of the other acts through the night.

Secondly the lighting effects were spot on and those lasers i want them and yes i would be the big kid with a new toy :D



But on the down side i thought sharon osbourne didn't half let it down at the end with her outbursts of language at vic reeves in fact i wonder how much trouble shes got the brits into with that cause it couldn't have been staged. :bang:

[Penfold42]

What is it with the Osbourne's....

Alright Ozzy....'Legend'......but as for the 3 Stooges....i don't get it.

[Corabar Steve]

Not watched it yet, I'm going to have a looksee later

[Impactdisco]

Agreed.

Also, what's up with Sharon Osbourne?

I can't put my finger on it, but she doesn't seem very natural.


I know what it is.... she has no class!

She may have loads of money but I think it would nice if she could come up with something more eloquent than the rubbish that came out of her mouth when trying to get Vic Reeves away from the mic.

[rob1963]

I know what it is.... she has no class!

She may have loads of money but I think it would nice if she could come up with something more eloquent than the rubbish that came out of her mouth when trying to get Vic Reeves away from the mic.

Indeed. I think she'd been on the drink.

The most unbelievable award of the night was "best female"

It went to a Lily Allen copycat, rather than the person whose first single broke a world record for downloads, who also had the biggest selling single of last year, as well as the UK's fastest selling debut album in history.

Makes you wonder how they define "best female"!

:confused:

[Falling Frog]

Of course Leona Lewis couldn't win it - she didn't got to the Brit School!

[rob1963]

Of course Leona Lewis couldn't win it - she didn't got to the Brit School!

And I thought it was ME who was the old cynic!

:rolleyes:

[jamesh]

Of course Leona Lewis couldn't win it - she didn't got to the Brit School!

OH YES SHE DID!!!!!

[Excalibur]

Indeed. I think she'd been on the drink.

The most unbelievable award of the night was "best female"

It went to a Lily Allen copycat, rather than the person whose first single broke a world record for downloads, who also had the biggest selling single of last year, as well as the UK's fastest selling debut album in history.

Makes you wonder how they define "best female"!

:confused:

Perhaps someone who isn't simply riding the crest of an artificial wave created by a publicity machine TV Simon Cowell pension scheme?

[leighinstoke]

From reading this, looking at stuff on Yahoo about it and listening to the Mum's chatting about it this afternoon when I went to pick my daughter up from school, I'm glad I didn't watch any of it!

[BeerFunk]

I just watched Mark Ronson's medley on youtube. I thought the first girl, Adele I believe, wasn't on form vocally, and Amy Winehouse was an absolute joke. I think Mark turned to look at her a couple of times, probably giving her the "what the hell are you doing?!" look :o

[rob1963]

The most unbelievable award of the night was "best female"

It went to a Lily Allen copycat, rather than the person whose first single broke a world record for downloads, who also had the biggest selling single of last year, as well as the UK's fastest selling debut album in history.

Makes you wonder how they define "best female"!

:confused:


Perhaps someone who isn't simply riding the crest of an artificial wave created by a publicity machine TV Simon Cowell pension scheme?

With all due respect, I think that's rubbish.

Regardless of the TV show she was on or her involvement with Simon Cowell, she wouldn't have had the massive success she has if she didn't have a massive amount of talent.

Kate Nash winning best female over Leona Lewis was a complete joke.

End of story.

[PropellerHeadCase]

Uh-oh, I agree.

[rob1963]

Uh-oh, I agree.

:jawdrop:

[Corabar Steve]

Regardless of the TV show she was on or her involvement with Simon Cowell, she wouldn't have had the massive success she has if she didn't have a massive amount of talent.
But sha wouldn't have got the exposure to gain the success without it.

& there are plenty of others out there with more tallent who don't make it.

At least Kate Nash writes her own songs.

[rob1963]

But sha wouldn't have got the exposure to gain the success without it.

Probably not.


there are plenty of others out there with more tallent who don't make it.

And thanks to shows like X Factor they now have more chance than ever before to get noticed & gain exposure.


At least Kate Nash writes her own songs.

Indeed she does, although none of them have even been good enough to get to number one.....let alone be the top selling single of the year!

In fact, out of three releases, only one has even made the top 20!

[Corabar Steve]

And thanks to shows like X Factor they now have more chance than ever before to get noticed & gain exposure.

Steve Brookstein, Michelle McM@nus or One True Voice anyone?


Indeed she does, although none of them have even been good enough to get to number one.....let alone be the top selling single of the year!

It's that much easier with the weight of somebody like Simon Cowell behind you. I can guarantee that had she had to go about it the same way as Nash, she wouldn't have even grazed the top 40

[rob1963]

Steve Brookstein, Michelle McM@nus or One True Voice anyone?

All of them won after being voted for week afer week by the general public, so maybe you should complain to the general public & tell them they don't know what they're on about!


It's that much easier with the weight of somebody like Simon Cowell behind you. I can guarantee that had she had to go about it the same way as Nash, she wouldn't have even grazed the top 40

Of course you can't guarantee something like that.

[Corabar Steve]

Well let's face it, what sort of person actually votes on that sort of program?

I can guarantee it. The song itself is weak & dreary, the only reason it got anywhere was over exposure. There are far more tallented & capable singers in Leona's genre that never get amywhere near the top 10. Jamelia hasn't even got a record deal at the moment & she's far more talented!

[PropellerHeadCase]

I dunno, Steve, Leona has got a helluva voice - with her range and control I'd tentatively put her on a par with Christina Aguilera, vocally, just need to wait and see if she keeps it up.

[Vectis]

Jamelia hasn't even got a record deal at the moment & she's far more talented!


I dunno, Steve, Leona has got a helluva voice

Not entirely sure Steve meant vocal talent :o :daft: (although she does have some!)

[Corabar Steve]

I would also put Alicia Keys over Leona.

[Vectis]

I would also put Alicia Keys over Leona.

Careful.... :D This is supposed to be a family forum...

[PropellerHeadCase]

Steve, I'd've agreed with you until 'No One' came out. Alicia is really straining her voice in that.

[Corabar Steve]

Funnily enough, I think that's one of her better ones.

[rob1963]

Steve, I'd've agreed with you until 'No One' came out. Alicia is really straining her voice in that.


Funnily enough, I think that's one of her better ones.

I'm not keen, but it's a massively popular track.

It was the first dance at my last wedding a couple of weeks ago, and is also the first dance at my next wedding next weekend!

I don't think I've had the same first dance at consecutive weddings before.

However, Alicia is not as good as Leona IMO.

[BeerFunk]

Leona Lewis is a good singer, that's about it, they are ten a penny when they do these nation-wide searches on shows like X Factor and Pop Idol.

I agree that Alicia Keys is a more talented singer, as is Mary J Blige, Christina Aguilera, Mariah Carey... and these artists have been there, done that, and will do it again.

[rob1963]

Leona Lewis is a good singer

That's a bit like saying a Rolls Royce is a good car!


they are ten a penny when they do these nation-wide searches on shows like X Factor and Pop Idol.

I honestly don't believe that was a serious comment.

Are you seriously saying that singers as good as Leona Lewis are ten a penny?

Have you watched X Factor or Pop Idol?

In order for your first single to break all download records, your second single to be the best selling single of the year and your first album to be the best selling UK debut album in history, I'd suggest you need a bit more than to have Simon Cowell behind you & just be a "good singer"!

[BeerFunk]

That's a bit like saying a Rolls Royce is a good car!It is though, isn't it? :D

Have you watched X Factor or Pop Idol?Not much, no.

In order for your first single to break all download records,How long have the download charts been around? That doesn't particularly impress me.

your second single to be the best selling single of the yearHave you seen some of the recent number 1s? :eek:

and your first album to be the best selling UK debut album in historyI often wonder how fair these figures are. The population of the UK has increased by 8% since 1971, more rapidly in recent years. So, there should be more sales across everything, including music. Back in '71, you could only buy music on vinyl - now there are at least 3 major formats to buy music on. You can also get whatever music you want without leaving the house these days, either by downloading, or getting it delivered for free in most cases.

So, it's a comfortable prediction to make, to say that the all records will be broken again and again in the near future.


I'd suggest you need a bit more than to have Simon Cowell behind you & just be a "good singer"!
I'd say the first part is all you need really! So long as you can sing a decent tune and look the part, Cowell will do the rest. Take a look at his CV, he knows what he's doing. He also doesn't do 'long term' artists, as he knows the money is in 'the next best singer' on the scene.

[rob1963]

your first album to be the best selling UK debut album in history


The population of the UK has increased by 8% since 1971, more rapidly in recent years. So, there should be more sales across everything, including music.

That doesn't account for the fact that so many people should buy one particular album...only why there might generally be more music sales across the board. However, you are over-simplifying things, as you can't make a direct connection between the population increase & an expected increase in sales without looking at other factors...like peoples disposable income...which has no relation to any population increase.


So, it's a comfortable prediction to make, to say that the all records will be broken again and again in the near future.

I'm sorry, but you just can't know that.

The next "biggest selling debut album in history" could just as easily be released this year, or next year, or in 10 years, or maybe not for 20 years or even longer.

[BeerFunk]

That doesn't account for the fact that so many people should buy one particular album...only why there might generally be more music sales across the board. However, you are over-simplifying things, as you can't make a direct connection between the population increase & an expected increase in sales without looking at other factors...like peoples disposable income...which has no relation to any population increase.People have at least as much money to spend as they ever have - Ill leave it at that for fear of dipping into politics again, but see here (http://www.smith-institute.org.uk/event-wealth-of-nation.htm)


The next "biggest selling debut album in history" could just as easily be released this year, or next year, or in 10 years, or maybe not for 20 years or even longer.Based on the fact that I, and most others, have only heard one song - I think I can make that prediction. Didn't the Arctic Monkeys or Snow Patrol break a similar record a couple of years ago? They're not even that big, in terms of headlining festivals or what have you.

[rob1963]

People have at least as much money to spend as they ever have - Ill leave it at that for fear of dipping into politics again, but see here (http://www.smith-institute.org.uk/event-wealth-of-nation.htm)

I also didn't want to say too much for the same reason. We don't want the powers that be quoting the forum rules to us! However, there are many other factors to take into consideration. We just aren't allowed to discuss them here!


Based on the fact that I, and most others, have only heard one song - I think I can make that prediction.

In that case, I'd get to the bookies & place a bet...you can clean up & retire early...because nobody else knows when the next record breaking debut album will be released!

:rolleyes:

[BeerFunk]

I also didn't want to say too much for the same reason. We don't want the powers that be quoting the forum rules to us! However, there are many other factors to take into consideration. We just aren't allowed to discuss them here!



In that case, I'd get to the bookies & place a bet...you can clean up & retire early...because nobody else knows when the next record breaking debut album will be released!

:rolleyes:
I said 'in the near future', I don't think any bookmaker will take a bet that vague :)

[rob1963]

I said 'in the near future', I don't think any bookmaker will take a bet that vague :)

Oh well...it was just an idea!

[PropellerHeadCase]

Furthermore, do these records of fastest selling debut include downloads? Assuming they do, this will account for a lot of the rapidity because people can literally download the song/album the second it occurs to them rather than waiting until they go to the shops by which time they may have forgotten, or something else has taken priority.

Downloads are, I suspect, the reason why The Arctic Monkeys and Leona Lewis and many more to come are able to break these records which were originally made without downloads.

[rob1963]

Downloads are, I suspect, the reason why The Arctic Monkeys and Leona Lewis and many more to come are able to break these records which were originally made without downloads.

The funny thing is that the Arctic Monkeys were rewarded with TWO Brit awards, whereas Leona Lewis didn't win any.

It's a funny old world!

[Excalibur]

The funny thing is that the Arctic Monkeys were rewarded with TWO Brit awards, whereas Leona Lewis didn't win any.

It's a funny old world!

Maybe because the Brit awards aren't run by Simon Cowell? :confused: ( yet :D )

[rob1963]

It makes you wonder who DOES run them!

[Corabar Steve]

That's a bit like saying a Rolls Royce is a good car!
It is, but Leona is more of a Toyota Corolla (looks nice, & is fairly reliable, but will never be high end)


Are you seriously saying that singers as good as Leona Lewis are ten a penny?

Have you watched X Factor or Pop Idol?Indeed they are. Those sort of shows rely on a public vote & as such are more likely to be influenced by favouritism as opposed to appreciation of talent (Same Difference anyone?). & how many of them try to bring up something for the sympathy vote?


In order for your first single to break all download records, your second single to be the best selling single of the year and your first album to be the best selling UK debut album in history, I'd suggest you need a bit more than to have Simon Cowell behind you & just be a "good singer"!
Marketing is a wonderful thing

People have at least as much money to spend as they ever have - Ill leave it at that for fear of dipping into politics again, but see here (http://www.smith-institute.org.uk/event-wealth-of-nation.htm)

Based on the fact that I, and most others, have only heard one song - I think I can make that prediction. Didn't the Arctic Monkeys or Snow Patrol break a similar record a couple of years ago? They're not even that big, in terms of headlining festivals or what have you.Oh yes they are.


I also didn't want to say too much for the same reason. We don't want the powers that be quoting the forum rules to us! However, there are many other factors to take into consideration. We just aren't allowed to discuss them here!
:rolleyes:We only quote the rules when they get (or are in danger of getting) broken. Every member agrees to abide by them when they sign up, & if they don't like the rules here, there are other places you can go.


The funny thing is that the Arctic Monkeys were rewarded with TWO Brit awards, whereas Leona Lewis didn't win any.

It's a funny old world!A band that writes & plays it's own songs, as opposed to a singing mannequin, hmmmmmmmmmmm......

Well at least my faith in the industry is restored a little, even if I don't have much faith in the record buying public.


Maybe because the Brit awards aren't run by Simon Cowell? :confused: ( yet :D )Indeed, can you imagine if it was? A conveyor belt of talentless vacuous clothes horses, singing songs written for them by somebody else.


It makes you wonder who DOES run them!

People who actually do have a clue about real talent.

[rob1963]

Maybe because the Brit awards aren't run by Simon Cowell? :confused: ( yet :D )


It makes you wonder who DOES run them!


People who actually do have a clue about real talent.

A clue, maybe...but certainly no more than that!

You suggested that the Arctic Monkeys deserved their awards because they have more talent as they sing their own songs.

Elvis must be turning in his grave!

[Corabar Steve]

A clue, maybe...but certainly no more than that!Still a sight more than the people who vote in X Factor type programs. The stuff churned out by these shows is really chewing gum for the brain, in an era of the lowest common denominator.

You suggested that the Arctic Monkeys deserved their awards because they have more talent as they sing their own songs.

Elvis must be turning in his grave!
You've been saving that one haven't you.

There is a huge difference between Mr Presley & (the bulk of) today's artists (Lewis included)

A) He had a massive talent
B) He was doing something different, something that nobody had done before
&
C) Charisma

& anyway how can he turn in his grave when he's not dead.

[BeerFunk]

Oh yes they are.I'll take your word for it, having not really looked been paying that much attention recently/last summer (by the by, T in the park has an impressive line up this summer!)


Elvis must be turning in his grave!


You've been saving that one haven't you.

There is a huge difference between Mr Presley & (the bulk of) today's artists (Lewis included)

A) He had a massive talent
B) He was doing something different, something that nobody had done before
&
C) Charisma
You beat me to it! Even if he were around in this day and age, I reckon he'd go down well - even if he would be a bit cheesy now!


& anyway how can he turn in his grave when he's not dead.:eek:

Being serious? Surely not.

[rob1963]

There is a huge difference between Mr Presley & (the bulk of) today's artists (Lewis included)

A) He had a massive talent


I'm glad you accept that someone can still have a massive talent even when they DON'T write their own hits.

:D :D :D

[PropellerHeadCase]

There is a huge difference between Mr Presley & (the bulk of) today's artists (Lewis included)

A) He had a massive talent
B) He was doing something different, something that nobody had done before
&
C) Charisma

& anyway how can he turn in his grave when he's not dead.

A) He had a massive coronary, sure, as to talent? I think it had more to do with being in the right place at the right time, and had it not been him it would've been somebody else.

B) Well, something that no white person had done before ;)

C) PR

Oooh, contentious.

[Corabar Steve]

I'm glad you accept that someone can still have a massive talent even when they DON'T write their own hits.


You suggested that the Arctic Monkeys deserved their awards because they have more talent as they sing their own songs.
I actually said......


A band that writes & plays it's own songs, as opposed to a singing mannequin, hmmmmmmmmmmm.......
I see no suggestion as such & if there was any, I would say it was more a case of the actual playing part of the equation. I wrote some of my old bands songs but I can't play a note on any of the instruments we used or read or write music. It was more a case of I'll hum it & you play it. I would say this made my bandmates (who actually managed to translate my mumblings into music) more talented than I.

A) He had a massive coronary, sure, as to talent? I think it had more to do with being in the right place at the right time, and had it not been him it would've been somebody else.
Possibly, see below

B) Well, something that no white person had done before ;)He added the hillbilly element to the black sound, hence "He was doing something different, something that nobody had done before"

C) PR
Was there such a thing in the 50s? I don't think he had that good a manager (unless of course I was that manager & then it would've been pretty good)

[BeerFunk]

A) He had a massive coronary, sure, as to talent? I think it had more to do with being in the right place at the right time, and had it not been him it would've been somebody else.

B) Well, something that no white person had done before ;)

C) PR

Oooh, contentious.
That's very harsh. I agree that he is/was overrated and iconified too much, but the guy did have exceptional talent. He had an air of confidence about him that you can't help but admire.

[PropellerHeadCase]

He added the hillbilly element to the black sound, hence "He was doing something different, something that nobody had done before"

Carl Perkins?



Was there such a thing in the 50s? I don't think he had that good a manager (unless of course I was that manager & then it would've been pretty good)

It may not have been called PR, but PR has been around since Caesar, heck even Alexander the Great (hence the appellation 'The Great').



That's very harsh. I agree that he is/was overrated and iconified too much, but the guy did have exceptional talent. He had an air of confidence about him that you can't help but admire.

Robbie Williams has a similar air of confidence, and he's never cracked the US market.

[Excalibur]

It is, but Leona is more of a Toyota Corolla (looks nice, & is fairly reliable, but will never be high end)

Indeed they are. Those sort of shows rely on a public vote & as such are more likely to be influenced by favouritism as opposed to appreciation of talent (Same Difference anyone?). & how many of them try to bring up something for the sympathy vote?



Marketing, all marketing. You can fool some of the people.....................


I actually said......




Was there such a thing in the 50s? I don't think he had that good a manager (unless of course I was that manager & then it would've been pretty good)

Actually I think his manager was quite good.







Robbie Williams has a similar air of confidence, and he's never cracked the US market.

Baffling that. They're usually eager to snap up :BS: Ah well ;) :D

[Corabar Steve]

It may not have been called PR, but PR has been around since Caesar, heck even Alexander the Great (hence the appellation 'The Great').
Are you confusing PR with egotism?

[robbiedj]

There is a huge difference between Mr Presley & (the bulk of) today's artists (Lewis included)


C) Charisma
& anyway how can he turn in his grave when he's not dead.

The only other artist I can think of who had that and the power to rule an audience was Freddy Mercury.

They both held an audience in the palm of their hand.

[BeerFunk]

The only other artist I can think of who had that and the power to rule an audience was Freddy Mercury.

They both held an audience in the palm of their hand.
Michael Jackson too.

[rob1963]

The only other artist I can think of who had that and the power to rule an audience was Freddy Mercury.

They both held an audience in the palm of their hand.


Michael Jackson too.

What about the Fast Food Rockers?

Their live shows are Awsome!

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

What about the Fast Food Rockers?

Their live shows are Awsome!

Rob, can you stop drinking on a Sunday afternoon please? :eek: :D

[robbiedj]

What about the Fast Food Rockers?

Their live shows are Awsome!

You mean they are REAL people? :eek: :eek: :eek:

[rob1963]

Rob, can you stop drinking on a Sunday afternoon please? :eek: :D

:Laugh: