Lasers - Kam Vs Prolight

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I am looking at a couple of lasers at the moment and they aren't the normal must have smoke type, but more about what is being projected into the room.

At Clive's show, I saw both these products and remember thinking one was far better then the other. I've looked at vids of both and am undecided which one is better. In real life one definately was better than the other. I think Corabar Steve and I agreed on which one was better.....but I can't remember.

The two choices are:

Kam DMX Star Cluster 140 and

Prolight Equinox Nebula

Anyone else seen either in the flesh, so to speak?

[DJWilson]

I am looking at a couple of lasers at the moment and they aren't the normal must have smoke type, but more about what is being projected into the room.

At Clive's show, I saw both these products and remember thinking one was far better then the other. I've looked at vids of both and am undecided which one is better. In real life one definately was better than the other. I think Corabar Steve and I agreed on which one was better.....but I can't remember.

The two choices are:

Kam DMX Star Cluster 140 and

Prolight Equinox Nebula

Anyone else seen either in the flesh, so to speak?


theres a person on youtube called ellaskins (http://www.youtube.com/ellaskins), he was the first person to have the kam star cluster in the UK, you could ask him for some info.

(but I dont thinkg youtube is working at the moment)

[Corabar Steve]

Prolight.

[Dragonfly]

please bare in mind i'm just going on watching a few videos on these on youtube but my opinion is i prefer the kam laser , seems a bit more versatile and uniformed in what it does if that makes sense?

the prolight to me looks like a busy episode of most haunted.

I would have to go and have a play but on loking at videos alone i'd be going to look at the kam version first. plus I do think the equinox looks abit toyish in its appearence.

[KaraokeDJ]

The kam cluster is awesome!!!
Fills the room with lights all over. A laser you get some use out of even when fog/haze is banned. A great effect for the money. Very pleased I bought one.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Prolight.

That's what I thought. That was the one right down the bottom of the hall?


please bare in mind i'm just going on watching a few videos on these on youtube but my opinion is i prefer the kam laser , seems a bit more versatile and uniformed in what it does if that makes sense?

the prolight to me looks like a busy episode of most haunted.

I would have to go and have a play but on loking at videos alone i'd be going to look at the kam version first. plus I do think the equinox looks abit toyish in its appearence.

This is why I asked for people who have seen them in the flesh! :p


The kam cluster is awesome!!!
Fills the room with lights all over. A laser you get some use out of even when fog/haze is banned. A great effect for the money. Very pleased I bought one.


I thought that until I saw the other one.

Anyway, I'm getting a Prolight one to 'trial' so will let you know.

[UltraBeat Entertainment]

I like the KAM to be honest but prefer the normal one not the cluster one.

[Corabar Steve]

That's what I thought. That was the one right down the bottom of the hall?


Yep, far left if you had your back to the bar.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I like the KAM to be honest but prefer the normal one not the cluster one.

And that is exactly the answer I didn't want! :rolleyes:

Normal lasers are a totally different effect.

[KaraokeDJ]

Normal lasers are a totally different effect.

But that's one of the deciding factors really. It depends what effect you want and if you get to use fog/haze at the venues you work at. With the venues and events I generally do, fog/haze is usually a no no so I was looking for a different type of effect, which is what the Star Cluster is - yes it looks fantastic with haze in the room but, unlike single beam lazers, you get a great effect without.

You've got to think of the Star Cluster as a 'different' type of effect and it can't be compared to 'normal' lazers.

IMHO: It's a good effect and well worth the price.

[Spirits High]

I got a demo of the Kam cluster when i picked up my REVO3 from PSL over in Liverpool.

Very impressed, a very good effect like fireworks/ fireflys looked especialy good with no haze or smoke effects.

Possibly next on the shopping list.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

But that's one of the deciding factors really. It depends what effect you want and if you get to use fog/haze at the venues you work at. With the venues and events I generally do, fog/haze is usually a no no so I was looking for a different type of effect, which is what the Star Cluster is - yes it looks fantastic with haze in the room but, unlike single beam lazers, you get a great effect without.

You've got to think of the Star Cluster as a 'different' type of effect and it can't be compared to 'normal' lazers.

IMHO: It's a good effect and well worth the price.

I know all that.

Doesn't anyone read the whole thread? :rolleyes:

I am not interested in lasers that need smoke or haze.

[andyw]

only had a demonstration of the kam star cluster so can't really comment on the question because i cant compare the two effects.but the star cluster looked very good in the shop but i did wonder whether it would struggle a little in a larger hall and i think what i have seen on youtube makes me believe that even more.anyone who has one does it struggle over larger areas or is it ok.

[groovy-nights]

Had a demo of the kam dmx laser 120 you do not need smoke or haze very clear beams

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Amazing how fast the internet works...

Try Googling for Prolight Nebula.

[Corabar Steve]

http://planetsmilies.net/sign-smiley-438.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)

[One Vision]

http://www.djtutor.com/ltfx

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

http://www.djtutor.com/ltfx

Yep, but I have seen that and wasn't asking if there were any vids about. What I am asking only about the two lasers listed is this:


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Anyone else seen either in the flesh, so to speak?

[Sapphire Disco]

To be honest the Prolight looked slightly better on the day, I think it may have been because that area was slightly darker and out of the two on the day the area for the Prolight was a little more dedicated and more focused , so on reflection I think they are both equally as good, I think I will go for the KAM :D

[dmckaraoke]

Well having just collected my star cluster today after seeing it at the show on Wednesday...

Its well incedible it looks like small fireflys(or should i say wee beasties dancing everwhere..

Very bright even when lights on in house very clear crazy to watch when lights are off..

So for my 2p worth the Kam star cluster won it for me. £299.00

[Corabar Steve]

I think the prolight had better patterns

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I think the prolight had better patterns

We shall see. ;)

[andyw]

hope solitaire don't mind me asking this here.apologies if you do.how safe are these lazors, what i mean is lazors should never be pointed directly down at a crowd (so i was told) yet these lazors are pointing in every direction could they do any damage to peoples eyes or are they individualy to weak.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

hope solitaire don't mind me asking this here.apologies if you do.how safe are these lazors, what i mean is lazors should never be pointed directly down at a crowd (so i was told) yet these lazors are pointing in every direction could they do any damage to peoples eyes or are they individualy to weak.

I presume that because there are so many beams, that they wouldn't do any damage. They must have thought about that otherwise they couldn't put them on sale if they were unsafe surely?

[Penfold42]

We shall see. ;)

:eek: :eek: :eek: ...not more gear!!:D

After looking at both....i would go for the prolight....even though i've not seen them 'in the flesh'.....:)

Nice effect........shame i've no more money in the pot.....:(

[Tom]

I would say the prolight one. Just looks better imo.

[dmckaraoke]

:eek: :eek: :eek: ...not more gear!!:D

After looking at both....i would go for the prolight....even though i've not seen them 'in the flesh'.....:)

Nice effect........shame i've no more money in the pot.....:(

So we now go on looks do we lol.......(Iv seen the videos on the net and none of them do them justice)

Well today as I have now seen both......

Staying in the Kam corner and not because i bought one...but the control on (Kam) dmx was better and the patterns are the same on both effects and both as bright as each so i think i comes down to what Manufacture you prefer..or

Fip a coin or even find our what one your suppliers can get you...

ps Prolight £10 more....well thats £10 more in my pocket for the same product..

Blue par can set in middle with slow moving red lazer is a trippin effect not for the faint Hearted lol

[RnGary]

I presume that because there are so many beams, that they wouldn't do any damage. They must have thought about that otherwise they couldn't put them on sale if they were unsafe surely?

We just bought a KAM cluster 140 - absolutely brilliant effect on the floor BUT when we looked into the laser rules we got nervous and have chickened out of using it on the floor where it could go in people's eyes. So far we have shone it on walls and ceilings (still looks really cool but not as good as on the floor) to avoid putting it in people's eyes.

We also wondered if there are so many beams each one is actually safe as they are possibly low power - plus why would they sell them and (sort of) advertise them as complete room lights if they could run the risk of bad publicity or being sued. If anyone has any advice that says it is OK to use on the floor would really appreciate it but for now we're playing it safe.

[KaraokeDJ]

Since I bought the Kam Cluster I have only used it aiming above people's heads. There are so many beams that you get the whole room filled anyway so I don't see any need to aim the unit down. The advice is to have a laser about 3m high - although that is not always possible or practicle in a lot of smaller venues.

However, at just over 2m hight and aiming above head hieght I get great feedback about it. Just last Sat doing a wedding in a massive hall at Harlaxton Manor (nr Grantham) the people were admiring the lights - mostly the Cluster.

I aim my other lights at the floor and walls and let the cluster do the rest of the room and it seems to work brilliantly.

[Sam]

I think also whilst as Darren, i think, says it might well be safe... but many of the 'audience' will not know that and see a lazer.. pointing into the crowd.. and pressume the world.... maybe leading to a bad reputation and not as many repeat bookings?
My 2p worth anyway..

personally I always Like lazers going above the heads. Just think it looks cool :)

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I think also whilst as Darren, i think, says it might well be safe... but many of the 'audience' will not know that and see a lazer.. pointing into the crowd.. and pressume the world.... maybe leading to a bad reputation and not as many repeat bookings?
My 2p worth anyway..



That's a bit OTT Sam. Most punters don't even notice lighting.

You really think people wouldn't book you because of a light pointing on the dance floor?

[andyw]

i think the question of the safety of the lights needs to be answered,so i have just emailed kam, if/when they reply i will post it up here so you can all see.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

i think the question of the safety of the lights needs to be answered,so i have just emailed kam, if/when they reply i will post it up here so you can all see.

Good idea.

[Sam]

That's a bit OTT Sam. Most punters don't even notice lighting.

You really think people wouldn't book you because of a light pointing on the dance floor?

It was just an idea Darren.
And yes I think there is a chance.. people see lazers as being dangerous.. so maybe they wouldn't like it.

Just a thought./

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

If it was one of the cluster type laser, they wouldn't even know it was a laser and anyway, as I said, I really don't think people would notice.

[dmckaraoke]

Surely when a lazer is reflected that many times its power to some extent would be reduced...

[KaraokeDJ]

If it was one of the cluster type laser, they wouldn't even know it was a laser and anyway, as I said, I really don't think people would notice.

I agree to that comment - I think the people who admire the light show since I got the Cluster do not think "laser" - I think they are just pleasantly surprised (wowed!) by the sheer amount of lights coming out of that small box.

Unlike a 'standard' laser with one or two direct laser beams aiming across the room - then they know it's a laser.

[RnGary]

Interesting feedback, thanks. I agree that the cluster looks really good on walls or ceilings and it is the one light that has got the most favourable comments in a short time.

However, when the floor is empty at the start shining the cluster across it looks really great - but so far we have adhered to the 2 - 3M above heads rule and will keep doing that and just put a couple of gobos across the floor. I guess when the floor filled we would lose the effect anyway.

As said earlier it's not just the legal bit but also the danger to reputation and hassle. (And at weddings, kids do seem to love standing with the lights in their eyes.....perhaps we could charge a bit extra for cataract corrections?)

Do sometimes wonder if we should issue dark glasses, ear plugs and body protection when people arrive due to bright lights, loud music and the danger of bumping into someone on the dance floor.

Be interesting to hear KAM's comments when they arrive as if anything went wrong presumably the lawsuits could extend beyond the DJ and back to them.

Having said all this - even keeping them shining high the KAM is well worth the money in my opinion - looks really classy.

[h8ytr]

well just bought a PROLIGHT nebula and got it yesterday...amazing light....much smaller than the KAM as well...

[KaraokeDJ]

well just bought a PROLIGHT nebula and got it yesterday...amazing light....much smaller than the KAM as well...

I've looked at a couple of videos of the PROLIGHT nebula and it is very similar to the KAM cluster. I'm happy with my purchase of the KAM as you are with the PROLIGHT - we've all got our preferences and they both get good reviews. The reason I got the KAM is because it was the first one I'd heard about.

[h8ytr]

I think they are the same inside....looks like the same patterns etc...

[Sapphire Disco]

I just got the KAM looking forward to it's first outing, tried it in the living room looks great and kept the dogs amused.

[Penfold42]

Prolight trial tonight.....but all the pre-test's and check's have been good......so good, i'm off to buy another....:)

[Corabar Steve]

One warning to anyone who is thinking about buying 2 or more of the Prolight ones.

I have heard although it states on both the box & in the manual that they work master / slave, they do not. Only stand alone or DMX.

Can any of the KAM owners confirm if this is the case with theirs

[KaraokeDJ]

One warning to anyone who is thinking about buying 2 or more of the Prolight ones. I have heard although it states on both the box & in the manual that they work master / slave, they do not. Only stand alone or DMX. Can any of the KAM owners confirm if this is the case with theirs

No idea. Haven't tried it DMXed either. I honestly can't see why anyone would want more than 1? At the right angle they easily fill a room, what's the second one for?

[PropellerHeadCase]

No idea. Haven't tried it DMXed either. I honestly can't see why anyone would want more than 1? At the right angle they easily fill a room, what's the second one for?

Filling the room from a different angle, obviously :D

[KaraokeDJ]

Filling the room from a different angle, obviously :D

Fair enough. I'll just sit over here, firmly put in my place with a large 'D' on my head! :doh:

:coat:

[Tom]

Filling the room from a different angle, obviously :D

You have one on the floor and one on the celing.

Then you just watch all the guests trip out when they see the floor and celing moving. :lol:

[PB Entertainments]

I was at my cousin's 18th birthday party last weekend (not asked to do the disco 'cos there were three birthday boys/girl plus I needed a night aff!) and was AMAZED by the KAM star cluster the disco had.

SO much so I had to go up and ask him what it was!

Not knowing what it was (he was very vague, just boasting about how much it cost (which if he paid that for it he was done big time! hee hee :D )) I did a bit searching and have had it on my shoppiing list since Monday!

Now you've gone and thrown me by telling me about the Prolight Nebula!

Still, I guess it'll be the KAM, as I've seen that in the flesh and I literally went 'WOW!!' :D

Oh, he had it pointing slightly upwards from behind his lightboxes in a small venue, and I never really noticed anyone shielding their eyes.

[KaraokeDJ]

and I never really noticed anyone shielding their eyes.

Positioned and angled correctly you won't find people shielding their eyes - just staring and saying "WOW"... Like you did...

Buy one, you won't regret it - but I think you know that already!!!

[PB Entertainments]

Positioned and angled correctly you won't find people shielding their eyes - just staring and saying "WOW"... Like you did...

Buy one, you won't regret it - but I think you know that already!!!

Yeah, just put that in after reading some posts asking about what people would say if it was shining straight out rather than to the ceiling.

And yeah, I know it, it's getting ordered at the end of the month! :D :D

[Penfold42]

One warning to anyone who is thinking about buying 2 or more of the Prolight ones.

I have heard although it states on both the box & in the manual that they work master / slave, they do not. Only stand alone or DMX.

Can any of the KAM owners confirm if this is the case with theirs

Eh.....:confused: :confused:

[Corabar Steve]

Eh.....:confused: :confused:

Both the box & manual say they work master/slave & this is not the case. (apparently a printing mistake)

You can only link them via DMX or use them stand alone.

[Dragonfly]

thats a bit naughty then.

[Penfold42]

Both the box & manual say they work master/slave & this is not the case. (apparently a printing mistake)

You can only link them via DMX or use them stand alone.
:what: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:


thats a bit naughty then.

Yeah alright Dave, I can hear you laughing from here....:boxer2: :D

[Grahame Case]

well, I purchased an Equinox Nebula - fantastic bit of kit. - recommend it to anyone. so much so i went out and bought a pegasus - 4 lasers 2 red 2 green -


although they really only come to life when you use a light Haze


I wouldn't recommend using a Smoke machine as you have less control of the level and dispersion.

[DeckstarDeluxe]

what did you go for darren as I have the same issue now but Im kidda with you and steve rather than the Kam Kang :D

[Bouncy Dancefloor]

to answer the Kam Star Cluster DMX question

They do link up, but there is a time delay on the master/slave function
We found this out when installing 3 of them into a local night club (3 interconnecting rooms) and going to all the hassle of linking them up for master/slave, only to find out they dont run perfectly together

edit: and deckstar joined after me and has twice as many posts as me!! oh my goodness

[electricnite]

dont touch kam with a barge pole for lighting they are c***ive had a new led par bar that has been back 12 time for replacement leds

[rob1963]

ive had a new led par bar that has been back 12 time for replacement leds

What can go wrong with an LED?

:shrug:

[Tom]

What can go wrong with an LED?

:shrug:

Cheap LEDs can fail quite quickly. I know because I bought some for a little project I was doing and they went after a few weeks. I then changed these for more expensive leds and they are still going strong. :)

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

what did you go for darren as I have the same issue now but Im kidda with you and steve rather than the Kam Kang :D

Blimey old thread alert...

I bought 2 of the Prolight Nebulas.

[DeckstarDeluxe]

Yeah i wasnt even logged in I was googling late last night and this thread came up!

Peter as the for the thread count you have a girlfriend I dont..... :D

[Starlight]

That's what I thought. That was the one right down the bottom of the hall?



This is why I asked for people who have seen them in the flesh! :p




I thought that until I saw the other one.

Anyway, I'm getting a Prolight one to 'trial' so will let you know.

Have you considered getting a laser screen? They sell them at Laser World but arn't cheap! Gives the effect of laser hovering mid way in the air!

Best wishes,

Neil.

[electricnite]

P R O L I G H T all day. kam need to stay away from lighting they are crap

[Alchemy]

P R O L I G H T all day. kam need to stay away from lighting they are crap

!!!!! SWEEPING STATEMENT ALERT !!!!!

[CRAZY K]

!!!!! SWEEPING STATEMENT ALERT !!!!!

It will be backed up by several case studies obviously ;)

CRAZY K

[Bouncy Dancefloor]

i would pretty much agree with that statement, the Star Cluster is the only winning product ive seen!

[rob1963]

Cheap LEDs can fail quite quickly. I know because I bought some for a little project I was doing and they went after a few weeks. I then changed these for more expensive leds and they are still going strong. :)

Well I never knew that.

I thought all LEDs went on pretty much forever.

We live & learn...thanks for the info, Tom!

:thumbsup:

[Alchemy]

i would pretty much agree with that statement, the Star Cluster is the only winning product ive seen!

I know, I've got one :)

[CRAZY K]

i would pretty much agree with that statement, the Star Cluster is the only winning product ive seen!

Its the only light product I have seen from KAM:D

It looked ok but im nervous about using lasers ( personally )

CRAZY K

[Alchemy]

It looked ok but im nervous about using lasers ( personally )

CRAZY K

It's not like the ones in Star Wars, honest :D :D

[Bouncy Dancefloor]

deckstar ordered his prolight laser today, so im buying his Cluster, everyones happy :)

[DJMaxG]

I am looking at a couple of lasers at the moment and they aren't the normal must have smoke type, but more about what is being projected into the room.


The two choices are:

Kam DMX Star Cluster 140 and

Prolight Equinox Nebula

Anyone else seen either in the flesh, so to speak?

I would get the Kam Star Cluster 3D, the red one.
But as that's not a choice, the Kam 140 as it is more compact.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I would get the Kam Star Cluster 3D, the red one.
But as that's not a choice, the Kam 140 as it is more compact.

Er, no it isn't. It is wider and bigger than the Nebula. :bang:

Have you got one?

[DJMaxG]

Er, no it isn't. It is wider and bigger than the Nebula. :bang:

Have you got one?

I don't have that type of laser, no.

Why not get the 3D, is there a set budget in mind?

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I don't have that type of laser, no.

Why not get the 3D, is there a set budget in mind?

IMO the 3D is not worth the extra money. I have seen them all and use the Nebulas every week and that is where I get my opinion from.

[DeckstarDeluxe]

I got my cluster for £199 and the nebula is £189. The nebula is a better laser no doubt about it but as I already had a kam one I was in two minds if its worth selling the cluster and paying extra for the nebula which I have decided to do.

The cluster is a box shaped light so therefore wider than the nebula but the nebula is slighty longer, either way both are quite small units.

[mark karaoke]

i have tested both side by side ---- and purchased the kam ---- a far brighter and smoother operating bit of kit ---- in my humble opinion anyway
hopes this helps mark

[DeckstarDeluxe]

i have tested both side by side ---- and purchased the kam ---- a far brighter and smoother operating bit of kit ---- in my humble opinion anyway
hopes this helps mark

Mark, no offence but are you sure they were the same lasers as we are talking about here because Ive seen them side by side and the red laser from the prolight was brigher than the green laser from the kam!

[Bouncy Dancefloor]

you do get alot of inconsistancies (sp?) between laser brightnesses

ive personally opened up 16 Kam Star Cluster and put 6 back in their boxes to go back as they were too dull! Yet a couple were as bright as anything ive ever seen

[davee]

We use 2 Star Cluster 3Ds as master/slave, and now point at least one of them towards dancefloor which gives an excellent room filling effect. Nebula also looks good but we prefered having two seperate laser apertures as from the dancefloor it looks like 2 lights (1 red, 1 green), compared to the one aperture on the Nebula, so looks like you've got more lights. An excellent light which is why we now have two.

[Babybob]

I bought my Nebula a few weeks back for £155 delivered, a bargain.
Really pleased with it and recently did a kids party with lots of ooohs and aaaahs from the sprogs.

Highly recommended at that price as Darren mentioned that they were £300 around a year ago.

[DeckstarDeluxe]

We use 2 Star Cluster 3Ds as master/slave, and now point at least one of them towards dancefloor which gives an excellent room filling effect. Nebula also looks good but we prefered having two seperate laser apertures as from the dancefloor it looks like 2 lights (1 red, 1 green), compared to the one aperture on the Nebula, so looks like you've got more lights. An excellent light which is why we now have two.

When you say towards the dancefloor do you mean pointing DOWN towards the dancefloor?

Reason I ask is these lasers have the ability to cause damage to peoples eyes and as such you should have them facing upwards of 3metere off the ground.

[UltraBeat Entertainment]

Do we know if we can point these at the dancefloor yet???

If we can i'll be getting one very soon but if not i'll probably leave it.

Please can someone tell me either way I'm confused (again:confused:).

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Most 'experts' say diffraction lasers aren't powerful enough by their very nature or in one place long enough to worry about it.

Personally, I have kept mine on the ceiling and pointing up.

[kjdiscos]

I am going to throw a cat amongest the pigeons, But i choose the fxlabs one over the kam and prolight, The fxlab seems alot brighter in a side by side demo

[Dynamic Entertainment]

Most 'experts' say diffraction lasers aren't powerful enough by their very nature or in one place long enough to worry about it.

Personally, I have kept mine on the ceiling and pointing up.

I can see where everyone is coming from with regards to lasers, however if superclubs (Syndicate in Blackpook springs to mind as i was there last week), and big dance events (Weekend festivals at Pontins etc) all use high powered "normal" lasers that scan the crowd with no hesitation at all.....

[UltraBeat Entertainment]

I can see where everyone is coming from with regards to lasers, however if superclubs (Syndicate in Blackpook springs to mind as i was there last week), and big dance events (Weekend festivals at Pontins etc) all use high powered "normal" lasers that scan the crowd with no hesitation at all.....

I must admit i agree. I was at one of the biggest clubs in Newquay last weekend and they had a powerful multi coloured laser bouncing off a huge mirror ball into the crowd:eek: :eek: :eek:

[electricnite]

Prolight Equinox Nebula all day i have one of these . MARVELLOUS !!!
kam lasers are pants mate as well as their led stuff steer clear.prolight is dogs danglies

[OllieJames]

Prolight Equinox Nebula all day i have one of these . MARVELLOUS !!!
kam lasers are pants mate as well as their led stuff steer clear.prolight is dogs danglies

I have the Nebula too, and i think it's fantastic! I've got a couple of gigs coming up, both of which are in the same venue - which is a huge village hall. Will be interesting to see the nebula on the cieling there as i haven't gigged with it yet.

[DeckstarDeluxe]

In all fairness I rather not risk it. I dont think they would slap a warning on a product if there was no chance of it doing damage.

[OllieJames]

In all fairness I rather not risk it. I dont think they would slap a warning on a product if there was no chance of it doing damage.

Well even if the risk was 0.01% they'd still whack one on to cover themselves. I would if i was a manufacturer.

[DeckstarDeluxe]

Well even if the risk was 0.01% they'd still whack one on to cover themselves. I would if i was a manufacturer.

Because it can blind someone. Imagine the lawsuit. As a DJ I'd take the same standpoint.

I doubt putting this into T&C's would exempt you either?

[Dynamic Entertainment]

Well the big company lighting jock i spoke to laughed when i got to speak to him at the Atomik Weekender. He pointed out that it was not a fixed beam and was constantkly moving so its fine......

Im guessing that this guy know what he was alking about, seen as the lasers were 3000mW moving head lasers :eek:

[DeckstarDeluxe]

Well the big company lighting jock i spoke to laughed when i got to speak to him at the Atomik Weekender. He pointed out that it was not a fixed beam and was constantkly moving so its fine......

Im guessing that this guy know what he was alking about, seen as the lasers were 3000mW moving head lasers :eek:

Yeah Im not doubting that may be the case Steve and I'd admit hes more knowledgeable on it than I am. In all fairness I much prefer the gobos (or dots) on the floor and having the laser on the ceiling or in tall rooms above head heights.

Ive often wondered if you can shine this into a mirror ball in the middle of the room if that is ok? Im guessing it doesnt make any difference to the strength of the beam

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Well the big company lighting jock i spoke to laughed when i got to speak to him at the Atomik Weekender. He pointed out that it was not a fixed beam and was constantkly moving so its fine......

Im guessing that this guy know what he was alking about, seen as the lasers were 3000mW moving head lasers :eek:

What makes you think that just because these guys press a few buttons and programme DMX that they know the dangers of these products? Are they scientists?

[Dynamic Entertainment]

No, but im guessing that the companies that supply said sound and lighting and look after the affairs of the superclubs have risk assessed them to death and decided that its a minimal risk, or they wouldnt be designed or set up to hit the crowd? :)

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

No, but im guessing that the companies that supply said sound and lighting and look after the affairs of the superclubs have risk assessed them to death and decided that its a minimal risk, or they wouldnt be designed or set up to hit the crowd? :)

The people that do the risk assessments are not the people who operate the equipment though are they?

[Dynamic Entertainment]

I see where your coming from Daz but im guessing that you expect your employees to stick to your risk assessment, and if they dont its a warning and/or the sack.

This will (hopefully) be the same policy for the bigh hire companies.

Ive been to quite a few super clubs (Syndicate, Crasher, Cream, etc), and a few dance weekends/festivals and the laser always scans the crowd. If it was one in a blue moon then fair enough, its a over-eager LJ/employee, but in every event/club....someone must have decided its safe to do.

[JTRS]

I am looking at a couple of lasers at the moment and they aren't the normal must have smoke type, but more about what is being projected into the room.



Can you explain that a bit more, all the lasers I have seen project a beam of light that until it hits a surface are invisible to the naked eye, hence why smoke shows the beams and makes a great effect.

Is this a laser that is visible without the need for smoke or are we still saying it needs to hit a surface???

JTRS

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

There's probably a link or two in this thread to explain what I meant.

Didn't Ollie put a video up?

[OllieJames]

There's probably a link or two in this thread to explain what I meant.

Didn't Ollie put a video up?

Yes i did.

I've just posted a new video in the gallery, which includes the laser.