Radio mic question

[rob1963]

At my gig next Saturday, there will be a magician who uses a radio mic, and I've agreed to let him plug the receiver into my system.

I've never used a radio mic before, so I was wondering.....

.....Is it likely that the bass, treble & level on my mixer's mic channel will all need changing completely, or do you think they'll all be OK if left in the same positions as when I use my corded SM58?

Thanks in advance for your advice.

:)

[theoloyla]

Rob! You mean you are letting another artiste plug their equipment into your gear?! You swore blind on another thread that you would never allow that - but then it is a magician; so if he breaks anything he can just wave his wand and fix it all!
Seriously though - all mikes have different characteristics as do all voices but you will probably be alright although you may need to set the volume control differently and make some minor adjustments to the tone controls.

[Excalibur]

At my gig next Saturday, there will be a magician who uses a radio mic, and I've agreed to let him plug the receiver into my system.

I've never used a radio mic before, so I was wondering.....

.....Is it likely that the bass, treble & level on my mixer's mic channel will all need changing completely, or do you think they'll all be OK if left in the same positions as when I use my corded SM58?

Thanks in advance for your advice.

:)


Theoretically, if it happens to be an SM58 Radio Mic, it will be very similar, since they use the same capsule. If it's anything else, then it could be nearly identical, or wildly differing. ;)

[rob1963]

Rob! You mean you are letting another artiste plug their equipment into your gear?! You swore blind on another thread that you would never allow that - but then it is a magician; so if he breaks anything he can just wave his wand and fix it all!
Seriously though - all mikes have different characteristics as do all voices but you will probably be alright although you may need to set the volume control differently and make some minor adjustments to the tone controls.

Thanks Theo,

Although I don't like other people's gear plugged into my system, I can't see any problems with a radio mic!


Theoretically, if it happens to be an SM58 Radio Mic, it will be very similar, since they use the same capsule. If it's anything else, then it could be nearly identical, or wildly differing. ;)

Thanks for your very helpful answer, Excalibur! :rolleyes:

[Excalibur]

Thanks Theo,

Although I don't like other people's gear plugged into my system, I can't see any problems with a radio mic!



Thanks for your very helpful answer, Excalibur! :rolleyes:

Helpful is my middle name. :D

[theoloyla]

Helpful is my middle name. :D
What strange parents you must have.:)

[CRAZY K]

At my gig next Saturday, there will be a magician who uses a radio mic, and I've agreed to let him plug the receiver into my system.

I've never used a radio mic before, so I was wondering.....

.....Is it likely that the bass, treble & level on my mixer's mic channel will all need changing completely, or do you think they'll all be OK if left in the same positions as when I use my corded SM58?

Thanks in advance for your advice.

:)

VERY SIMPLE--do a sound check when he arrives--one two one two:D

Probably will be different to your settings--he will have a different voice to you anyway:D

One practical point---check what input lead he uses--it could be standard jack plug (1/4 inch ) or XLR.

Presumably your mixer can cope with either?

He will also need a mains plug available for the Unit.

I only mention it because I worked with a DJ last year who did not have ANY inputs for my mike or music--so I took my own kit:eek:

regards

CRAZY K

[spin mobile disco]

Being a mgician he will probably use lavalier or tie pin mic to keep his hands free. I've worked with a few magicians and they all used either headset or tie pin type.
As you will not have music on very loud you should not have any real problem with feedback.

[CRAZY K]

Being a mgician he will probably use lavalier or tie pin mic to keep his hands free. I've worked with a few magicians and they all used either headset or tie pin type.
As you will not have music on very loud you should not have any real problem with feedback.

Good point-if he has a hands free unless its a top notch like Shure or Sennheiser there may be some quality issues.

CRAZY K

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

At my gig next Saturday, there will be a magician who uses a radio mic, and I've agreed to let him plug the receiver into my system.

I've never used a radio mic before, so I was wondering.....

.....Is it likely that the bass, treble & level on my mixer's mic channel will all need changing completely, or do you think they'll all be OK if left in the same positions as when I use my corded SM58?

Thanks in advance for your advice.

:)

The likelyhood is, is that you will need to turn the gain up for the radio mic as generally corded mics are a lot louder in my experience.

[ppentertainments]

Think all the above comments are true but as crazy K said the only real way of knowing will be to do a sound check.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Think all the above comments are true but as crazy K said the only real way of knowing will be to do a sound check.

If it is an SM58 radio mic then it will need to be turned up, as I use a leaded and radio SM58 and the leaded is much louder for some reason.

[Tom]

On most wireless mics, the receiving end should have some kind of volume control. When you plug it in to your mixer you can set the volume on the microphone receiver and then setup the input on the mixer.

[pulsemobiledisco]

If it is an SM58 radio mic then it will need to be turned up, as I use a leaded and radio SM58 and the leaded is much louder for some reason.

I use both a PG58 leaded and wireless. I used the wireless for the first time Saturday night. I found the same as above, infact I swapped back to leaded because of feedback problems.

Also watch out for if he switches the mic on and off during his show. If I switch my wireless PG58 on with the gain up it puts a loud thud through the system.

[ppentertainments]

Also watch out for if he switches the mic on and off during his show. If I switch my wireless PG58 on with the gain up it puts a loud thud through the system.

I suffer from same problem with a different mic - any solutions ??

[Jiggles]

I suffer from same problem with a different mic - any solutions ??

Dont use the switch? :D :p

[ppentertainments]

Dont use the switch? :D :p

Why didn't I think of that !!! :D :D
Any serious suggestions ??

[Tom]

Why not just replace with a non switch mic or hard wire it so the switch dont work and is on all the time???

[pulsemobiledisco]

Why not just replace with a non switch mic or hard wire it so the switch dont work and is on all the time???

Because it wireless and you want to switch it off to save the battery ;)

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I suffer from same problem with a different mic - any solutions ??

Switch the mic on first and then switch it on at the mixer.

The newer range of Shure mics have recessed switches which you press once for on, then again for standby mode and again for off.

My older SM58 model has a mute switch and an on/off switch too and using the mute, you can stop the bang.

[ppentertainments]

Because it wireless and you want to switch it off to save the battery ;)


Exaclty, I always switch mic off after using - thought this was the norm ??

[CRAZY K]

I suffer from same problem with a different mic - any solutions ??

Hes not going to be switching on and off--why would he--his show would be continous needing the mike on all the time because he would need to have his mike "live".

When hes finished, says thank you and goodnight just fade down the mike channel or switch him off--tell him NOT to switch off at the mike end until you have done that.

For general DJ use switch on and off while music is playing--if you can still hear the switch noise throw the mike away and buy a JTS:D :D :D

CRAZY K

[ppentertainments]

Hes not going to be switching on and off--why would he--his show would be continous needing the mike on all the time because he would need to have his mike "live".

CRAZY K

Not true. Often when quickly setting up his next trick it is wise to switch the mic off if rummaging through a case for props etc.

Nevertheless my question was pointed at the fact I have a similar problem when using a mic for dj'ing where you do need to switch the mic on and off.

By the way the mic in question is a jts mic.

[pulsemobiledisco]

Not true. Often when quickly setting up his next trick it is wise to switch the mic off if rummaging through a case for props etc.

Nevertheless my question was pointed at the fact I have a similar problem when using a mic for dj'ing where you do need to switch the mic on and off.

Beat me to it, was about to post the exact same.

[ppentertainments]

Beat me to it, was about to post the exact same.

Great minds think alike :D :D

[CRAZY K]

Not true. Often when quickly setting up his next trick it is wise to switch the mic off if rummaging through a case for props etc.

Nevertheless my question was pointed at the fact I have a similar problem when using a mic for dj'ing where you do need to switch the mic on and off.

By the way the mic in question is a jts mic.


I havent worked with one of these people for many years but I have worked with plenty of other entertainers and I would be really surprised if a pro would do that.

Surely they just keep rabbiting on to the audience ( like i do) about what they are doing next, tell a quick joke etc. and its all a seamless transition.

For my next trick I am going to saw a lady in half etc etc etc I need a volunteer from the audience.

I used to work ( day job) with a full time pro magician who eventually went on National TV when I was younger--that was the way he worked.

Do they say hang on a minute ill just switch the mike off while I sort out my next trick? Clunk then a bit later Clunk hello now for my next trick:eek:

Thats not what I would expect.

If thats what you have to work with ---fair enough.

There will be a noise as you switch on the JTS without music on full gain--if its excessive get it checked out by your local dealer.

Mine doesnt sound very bad when switched on through the PA.

CRAZY K

[rob1963]

One practical point---check what input lead he uses--it could be standard jack plug (1/4 inch ) or XLR.

Presumably your mixer can cope with either?

He will also need a mains plug available for the Unit.

CRAZY K

Thanks Crazy.

I've already checked about the input from the radio mic receiver, and have been told it's quarter inch, the same as my SM58, so no problems there. I'm also aware that I'll need mains for the radio mic receiver, but I always carry a couple of extra 2 way adaptors to plug into my 4 way block if required, so no problems there either.

:)


The likelyhood is, is that you will need to turn the gain up for the radio mic as generally corded mics are a lot louder in my experience.

Thanks Darren.

:)

[Excalibur]

VERY SIMPLE--do a sound check when he arrives--one two one two:D

Probably will be different to your settings--he will have a different voice to you anyway:D

One practical point---check what input lead he uses--it could be standard jack plug (1/4 inch ) or XLR.

Presumably your mixer can cope with either?

He will also need a mains plug available for the Unit.

I only mention it because I worked with a DJ last year who did not have ANY inputs for my mike or music--so I took my own kit:eek:

regards

CRAZY K

At this point I would have asked if you were working with Jay Dee there, except I'm now jealous of the sound he gets out of his mixer. He has no spare anything on his. Those of you who questioned the quality of the sound cards at the price, it's superb quality. I'm going to have to save up for that Urei now, to beat him! :D


The likelyhood is, is that you will need to turn the gain up for the radio mic as generally corded mics are a lot louder in my experience.

In my experience, ( and it's probably not as extensive as Darren's) the volume control on the receiver allows you to make the cordless louder than the corded if you so wish, but the idea is to use it so the levels are very similar.


I use both a PG58 leaded and wireless. I used the wireless for the first time Saturday night. I found the same as above, infact I swapped back to leaded because of feedback problems.

Also watch out for if he switches the mic on and off during his show. If I switch my wireless PG58 on with the gain up it puts a loud thud through the system.

Kill switch on the mixer mic channel.

Because it wireless and you want to switch it off to save the battery ;)

Sofa time, bet it's a Shure with those expensive 9v jobs!:sofa: I previously would have done that, but now I switch it on when I start, and off at the end of the night. No probs with the AA batts ;) :D :D


I havent worked with one of these people for many years but I have worked with plenty of other entertainers and I would be really surprised if a pro would do that.

Surely they just keep rabbiting on to the audience ( like i do) about what they are doing next, tell a quick joke etc. and its all a seamless transition.

For my next trick I am going to saw a lady in half etc etc etc I need a volunteer from the audience.

I used to work ( day job) with a full time pro magician who eventually went on National TV when I was younger--that was the way he worked.

Do they say hang on a minute ill just switch the mike off while I sort out my next trick? Clunk then a bit later Clunk hello now for my next trick:eek:

Thats not what I would expect.

If thats what you have to work with ---fair enough.

There will be a noise as you switch on the JTS without music on full gain--if its excessive get it checked out by your local dealer.

Mine doesnt sound very bad when switched on through the PA.

CRAZY K

This would have been my expectation Alan, re the magician. Surely he would keep the patter going at all times?:confused:
As to audible click, I must try mine and see.

[djsteve10]

[QUOTE=Excalibur;216905]
Sofa time, bet it's a Shure with those expensive 9v jobs!:sofa: I previously would have done that, but now I switch it on when I start, and off at the end of the night. No probs with the AA batts ;) :D :D [QUOTE]

I have the same with my Beta58 just turn it on, let it assign the channel it wants and then leave it on all night and use the mute button on the radio mic nice and easy.

[Corabar Steve]

My older SM58 model has a mute switch and an on/off switch too and using the mute, you can stop the bang.

Worked with our old KAM ones too.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

if you can still hear the switch noise throw the mike away and buy a JTS:D :D :D

CRAZY K


By the way the mic in question is a jts mic.

LMAO!




In my experience, ( and it's probably not as extensive as Darren's) the volume control on the receiver allows you to make the cordless louder than the corded if you so wish, but the idea is to use it so the levels are very similar.



That is also true Peter, but the gain is still a lot louder on the leaded mic whether you turn the gain up on the receiver or not.