What would you buy?

[Excalibur]

This thread may be seen as mischievous, but it is an attempt to see what options exist. You need a PA of 1.5Kw output, and you have £1000 to spend, and it's not Class-D. What would you buy with the only provisos being the three stated above, and it must be something you would be confident of serving you reliably on the road. :confused:

I personally have only one in mind, so await your thoughts. :confused:

[djsteve10]

Either Wharfedale or Martin Audio at the right price.

[Excalibur]

Either Wharfedale or Martin Audio at the right price.

Please specify, that's the point. Also fulfill the main criteria.

[DJWilson]

martin audio for speakers and for the amp a E45 MC2

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Active or passive? New or secondhand?

And Steve, you'd be very lucky to get a MA system for that amout of cash.


martin audio for speakers and for the amp a E45 MC2

With £1500?


Please specify, that's the point. Also fulfill the main criteria.

No-one's listening Peter! :rolleyes:

[DJWilson]

the speakers would be passive obv.

[soundtracker]

I've not heard of Obv - are they new?

[Excalibur]

Active or passive? New or secondhand?:

Sorry I should have said new, but foolishly assumed that would go without saying! Active or passive? Either or both, no probs.




No-one's listening Peter! :rolleyes:

What else is new? :confused: :( :( :(

As I said specify the items used, it's fine saying what you'd use, but can you get it at the price I set?

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

the speakers would be passive obv.

I wasn't answering you, you impertinent child.

[Penfold42]

Hard question.......but 2 pair of these take's my fancy....
http://www.djkit.co.uk/product.php?id=1216&cat=237

Should do the trick........but personally i would do a bit more saving....:)

[Excalibur]

I wasn't answering you, you impertinent child.

How dare you call me a child? :confused: :p :p :D

I now see you asked active or passive Darren, but I said from the outset there were only three fixed points.
1) Not Class-D
2) COST £1000 NEW!! Where did the £ 1500 come from?:confused: :confused:
3) 1.5Kw of sound.

Anything which fits these is allowed, but please say which items you would use. Although you don't have to give a supplier link, it would show your costs to be feasible.

Since no-one has yet been able to do this, the only one I know of/ would use which gets in is Peavey Pro subs and Pro 15's with say a Peavey PV2600 amp. Please show me otherwise. :confused:

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

2) COST £1000 NEW!! Where did the £ 1500 come from?:confused: :confused:


Sorry, it came from the 1.5K of sound...:o :o

[CRAZY K]

How dare you call me a child? :confused: :p :p :D

I now see you asked active or passive Darren, but I said from the outset there were only three fixed points.
1) Not Class-D
2) COST £1000 NEW!! Where did the £ 1500 come from?:confused: :confused:
3) 1.5Kw of sound.

Anything which fits these is allowed, but please say which items you would use. Although you don't have to give a supplier link, it would show your costs to be feasible.

Since no-one has yet been able to do this, the only one I know of/ would use which gets in is Peavey Pro subs and Pro 15's with say a Peavey PV2600 amp. Please show me otherwise. :confused:

Is that really a 1500 watt system, have they uprated the speaker ratings maybe? My Speakers are 250 watts RMS each. 4 x 250= 1000

My speakers ( as above ) are driven by the Peavey XR800F with an ouput of 500rms per side into 4 ohms -I wouldnt want to drive with a larger amp.

From the Internet--
PV2600 amplifier, The Peavey PV-2600 power amplifier has a massive 900w RMS (1800w program) power per channel at 4 ohms.

If your at Belton Woods 4th July have a listen--you can see the Cortex at work as well--using it last night --pure magic !!!!!!!!!!

CRAZY K
Heard in Villages all over Northamptonshire on Saturday nights:D :D :D

[pulsemobiledisco]

Think I would be going for:

2x W Audio PSR15A - 400W RMS £459
1x DB Sub 15 - 800W RMS £475

Total cost £934, Total system power 1.6K, does it matter that I'm 100watts over your specified 1.5K!!!

http://www.djkit.co.uk/product.php?id=1216&cat=237
http://www.electromusic.co.uk/product.php?productid=400&cat=0&page=1

Sam

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Think I would be going for:

2x W Audio PSR15A - 400W RMS £459
1x DB Sub 15 - 800W RMS £475

Total cost £934, Total system power 1.6K, does it matter that I'm 100watts over your specified 1.5K!!!

http://www.djkit.co.uk/product.php?id=1216&cat=237
http://www.electromusic.co.uk/product.php?productid=400&cat=0&page=1

Sam

Although I haven't heard the 15" W Audio, I have a pair of the little 8" ones and the clarity is very good, so I'll agree there. And the sub is supposed to be nearly the same as the RCF sub that I use, so I'll agree there too. :)

[kilmeedyman]

Deltec SX3 Speaker 400watt 12" LF Driver(Pair) - £350-375
Deltec BX16F Series Speaker 400watt 15" Subs with filter (Pair) - £450-475

Something like a Dare 1400 Amp at Around £300

Best I can do - you might well get the three above together for about a grand discounted.

Not the same class as the Peaveys !! :thumbsup:

[CRAZY K]

Think I would be going for:

2x W Audio PSR15A - 400W RMS £459
1x DB Sub 15 - 800W RMS £475

Total cost £934, Total system power 1.6K, does it matter that I'm 100watts over your specified 1.5K!!!

http://www.djkit.co.uk/product.php?id=1216&cat=237
http://www.electromusic.co.uk/product.php?productid=400&cat=0&page=1

Sam

Re the sub--800 watts RMS of bass from one 15inch speaker sounds a bit ambitious to me?

CRAZY K

[pulsemobiledisco]

Although I haven't heard the 15" W Audio, I have a pair of the little 8" ones and the clarity is very good, so I'll agree there. And the sub is supposed to be nearly the same as the RCF sub that I use, so I'll agree there too. :)

Would that be an Art 705 by any chance? Funny you should say that. My second DB Sub 15 is on order and I pick it up this week. On Friday night I was in a big room and needed the extra power so borrowed my mates Art 705 and ran them side by side. I had some time to kill before the guests arrived so I decided to crank the system up and drove it hard so I could compare the two. They both sounded pretty much the same, the only thing I noticed was that the DB Sub clipped just that little bit earlier then the Art 705. Oh yeah, and the Art 705 are heavier as well.

[Penfold42]

Re the sub--800 watts RMS of bass from one 15inch speaker sounds a bit ambitious to me?

CRAZY K

Deliberate or not.....:D :D :D :D :D

[pulsemobiledisco]

Re the sub--800 watts RMS of bass from one 15inch speaker sounds a bit ambitious to me?

CRAZY K

Beleive me, it thumps loud and hard.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Would that be an Art 705 by any chance? Funny you should say that. My second DB Sub 15 is on order and I pick it up this week. On Friday night I was in a big room and needed the extra power so borrowed my mates Art 705 and ran them side by side. I had some time to kill before the guests arrived so I decided to crank the system up and compare the two. They both sounded pretty much the same, the only thing I noticed was that the DB Sub clipped just that little bit earlier then the Art 705. Oh yeah, and the Art 705 are heavier as well.

I'd like to have a listen to the Db, especially as it's lighter!

[Excalibur]

Is that really a 1500 watt system, have they uprated the speaker ratings maybe? My Speakers are 250 watts RMS each. 4 x 250= 1000

My speakers ( as above ) are driven by the Peavey XR800F with an ouput of 500rms per side into 4 ohms -I wouldnt want to drive with a larger amp.

From the Internet--
PV2600 amplifier, The Peavey PV-2600 power amplifier has a massive 900w RMS (1800w program) power per channel at 4 ohms.

If your at Belton Woods 4th July have a listen--you can see the Cortex at work as well--using it last night --pure magic !!!!!!!!!!

CRAZY K
Heard in Villages all over Northamptonshire on Saturday nights:D :D :D

It's a recommended match by one supplier, yes it's driving the cabs very hard.:eek:
Is Belton as far north as your work permit allows? I hear you're banned from God's county!;) :D I shall make every effort to be there Alan, as I had intended to use the trip as an information gathering exercise, but as we all know, once an idea is planted, it can suddenly gain a momentum all of its own. I now hope to have purchased a Cortex before I see you, if all goes well. ;)


Think I would be going for:

2x W Audio PSR15A - 400W RMS £459
1x DB Sub 15 - 800W RMS £475

Total cost £934, Total system power 1.6K, does it matter that I'm 100watts over your specified 1.5K!!!

http://www.djkit.co.uk/product.php?id=1216&cat=237
http://www.electromusic.co.uk/product.php?productid=400&cat=0&page=1

Sam

Not at all, thank you. From what I have read, that would be a perfectly acceptable rig.


Deltec SX3 Speaker 400watt 12" LF Driver(Pair) - £350-375
Deltec BX16F Series Speaker 400watt 15" Subs with filter (Pair) - £450-475

Something like a Dare 1400 Amp at Around £300

Best I can do - you might well get the three above together for about a grand discounted.

Not the same class as the Peaveys !! :thumbsup:

As long as you would have confidence in using it that's probably good enough.


Thank you for the suggestions so far, keep 'em coming. I genuinely thought there would be less choice. :o

[TonyB]

Pair Peavey Pro 15" Subs - £250
Pair W Audio PSR12 - £260
2 X Numark Dimension 3 - £200 each
Behringher CX2310 Crossover - £65

(Probably available cheaper but they are the first prices that came up on Google and are more than I paid)

A bit under the wattage at 1200w if you go by the speaker rating but the subs are 4 ohms and the Dimension 3 gives out 475w per channel at 4 Ohms so that makes it 1550w :)

This is my latest set up.

(Edit. The Peavey Bass bins I have are 300w each at 4 Ohms)

[pulsemobiledisco]

I'd like to have a listen to the Db, especially as it's lighter!

My mate wish's he'd gone DB now after hearing mine!

[CRAZY K]

Beleive me, it thumps loud and hard.

Hard to compare really without a side by side type test.

CRAZY K

[kilmeedyman]

Seen nothing yet to persuade me that the Deltecs aren't head and shoulders above any other suggestions - for the money.

[flatliners]

i know you said 1500w and 1000 pounds but if i gave more power and change from 1000 pounds would that be ok
http://www.studiospares.com/pd_248260_STU%20Fortissimo%2015a%20Active%20single .htm
x2
http://www.studiospares.com/product.aspx?code=248270 x2
thats 1800w powered for £ 878.18

[Daryl]

Watts != loudness.

With £1000, Id buy 2x JBL MRX 515 (http://www.jblpro.com/products/portablesound/mrx/mrx515.html) speakers, And id use my current amp in bridge mono. (Numark Dimension 3)

[Penfold42]

i know you said 1500w and 1000 pounds but if i gave more power and change from 1000 pounds would that be ok
http://www.studiospares.com/pd_248260_STU%20Fortissimo%2015a%20Active%20single .htm
x2
http://www.studiospares.com/product.aspx?code=248270 x2
thats 1800w powered for £ 878.18

Sorry have to say ....he's done it......:)

[One Vision]

For £1000 I would buy class-d (the company) :whistle:

[Tom]

Beleive me, it thumps loud and hard.

2nd that. :D

If you have the input going into the sub a max of 0db from the mixer then run the sub on full mono then yeah, this sub really does kick.

[flatliners]

what do i win

[Tom]

i know you said 1500w and 1000 pounds but if i gave more power and change from 1000 pounds would that be ok
http://www.studiospares.com/pd_248260_STU%20Fortissimo%2015a%20Active%20single .htm
x2
http://www.studiospares.com/product.aspx?code=248270 x2
thats 1800w powered for £ 878.18

Also just to note on the back of the tops as I have a pair it says it has 300+100.

Im guessing 300 watts rms for the main driver and 100 watts rms for the top end.

Its a shame they are 26kg. :(

[Daryll]

Cant beat flatliners.
But for £999.00

http://www.djdeals.co.uk/prod-details.asp?AID=1498

1500w amp 2 tops and 2 bins plus stands ( tapco are made my mackie).

Daryll

[Tom]

How about 1.6k from Cerwin Vega for under £1000?

http://www.djkit.co.uk/product.php?id=3701&cat=442

[pulsemobiledisco]

How about 1.6k from Cerwin Vega for under £1000?

http://www.djkit.co.uk/product.php?id=3701&cat=442

Oh look, they look just like class d.

Whats the story with that?

[flatliners]

Also just to note on the back of the tops as I have a pair it says it has 300+100.

Im guessing 300 watts rms for the main driver and 100 watts rms for the top end.

Its a shame they are 26kg. :(

well thats 2.0k powered not a bad price i think and the subs look the same spec as my carlsbro gamma subs

[Tom]

Oh look, they look just like class d.

Whats the story with that?




well thats 2.0k powered not a bad price i think and the subs look the same spec as my carlsbro gamma subs

They are really the same speakers, just with a different badge.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

For £1000 I would buy class-d (the company) :whistle:

LMAO! :D


How about 1.6k from Cerwin Vega for under £1000?

http://www.djkit.co.uk/product.php?id=3701&cat=442

Very good deal if the Cerwins are anything like they used to be.

[JAMdisco]

Peter, I'm hoping this is just a hyperthetical question from your part. Surely your not going to retire your beloved Class-D's???

[CRAZY K]

LMAO! :D



Very good deal if the Cerwins are anything like they used to be.

Thats true, I worked on some CVs last Summer with a DJ who had a pair of 15s with a weird horn speaker in the middle of the cone:confused:

They sounded pretty good--but are they now manufacturing to a price to compete with cheaper brands:eek:

Sound test needed--Yorkshire here we come:D :D :D

CRAZY K

[Corabar Steve]

Watts != loudness.No it doesn't.

[Daryl]

No it doesn't.

Doesn't what?

!= means does not equal, if you didn't know. :P

[Excalibur]

Peter, I'm hoping this is just a hyperthetical question from your part. Surely your not going to retire your beloved Class-D's???

In the interests of balance, I wanted to know if it would be possible to get a 1.5Kw system of acceptable quality for £1000? It appears that there is much more choice than I had previously supposed. Thank you one and all for your replies, some of those systems are very interesting. And Justin, don't you dare point out that the list price on yours was £750.:zip: :zip:


Thats true, I worked on some CVs last Summer with a DJ who had a pair of 15s with a weird horn speaker in the middle of the cone:confused:

They sounded pretty good--but are they now manufacturing to a price to compete with cheaper brands:eek:

Sound test needed--Yorkshire here we come:D :D :D

CRAZY K

I'll tell you about the similarities between the two makes one day Alan, we got chapter and verse the other day. ;) ;) :D It'll have to be at Belton though, cos don't forget you're not allowed into Yorkshire. :p :D :D :D


Doesn't what?

!= means does not equal, if you didn't know. :P

Well that's two of us, cos I didn't know either. :o Sadly I can't remember what I reckon the sign for it is?

[Adam_F]

Cant beat flatliners.
But for £999.00

http://www.djdeals.co.uk/prod-details.asp?AID=1498

1500w amp 2 tops and 2 bins plus stands ( tapco are made my mackie).

Daryll

Tapco is part of the EAW group, along with Mackie, they are not specifically made by Mackie, although the do have mackie designed vented woofers in them (more details here: http://www.tapcoworld.com/products/series69/index.html)
I've got a pair of the 6925's and they are ideal for loud pub nights and 18th / 21st's.

[Richard Veal]

Maybe a little late here (as usual) but how about 2 of these (http://www.htfr.com/more-info/MR202751) thats 1.9k for under a grand.
I only thought of this today as i saw this exact rig demonstrated in my local store and sounded very good and his price was 389 without the amp.

[flatliners]

am i still winning

[Spirits High]

Hard question.......but 2 pair of these take's my fancy....
http://www.djkit.co.uk/product.php?id=1216&cat=237

Should do the trick........but personally i would do a bit more saving....:)

Yes Yes, my beloved PSR's as you know I think they're great.


Think I would be going for:

2x W Audio PSR15A - 400W RMS £459
1x DB Sub 15 - 800W RMS £475

Total cost £934, Total system power 1.6K, does it matter that I'm 100watts over your specified 1.5K!!!

http://www.djkit.co.uk/product.php?id=1216&cat=237
http://www.electromusic.co.uk/product.php?productid=400&cat=0&page=1

Sam

my next move adding a db tech sub to mine!


Although I haven't heard the 15" W Audio, I have a pair of the little 8" ones and the clarity is very good, so I'll agree there. And the sub is supposed to be nearly the same as the RCF sub that I use, so I'll agree there too. :)


Psr15's rock the house!

Been gigging mine for just over a year now and think they're faultless, mocked by some but i'd hedge my bets you've not heard them;)

[Tom]

How about this.

When I went up to Studiospares in north london to buy my current pa speakers i asked to hear what the Auditorium speakers sonded like. He said that he only had 150 watts running through them and corr did they kick. The highs were really clear and the bass was so deep i could feel it in my chest. The speakers he was using a 12" speaker ratted at 600 watt rms.

Also that was with no eq at all. CD - amp - speaker.

Link (http://www.studiospares.com/pd_248400_STU%20Auditorium%20212b%20single.htm)

Two of these would be £495.84.

I have no idea what amp to put with those, but tbh as I dont know much about passive speaker setup's as I have always used active. 1200 watts of speakers which have a max spl of 125bd each for under £500.

Im toying with the idea about these. They may be 35 kilos each but i know i wouldn't need subs for most of my gigs so really this is a bonus. Just bring in the subs if really needed.

Another thing is they are a bit smaller overall from the 15" Active Fortissimo