AC EURO speakers?

[One Vision]

Does anybody have any views or experience with the below speakers?

http://www.ebdj.co.uk/shop/product_info.php?product_id=12516

[DJWilson]

ive heard there a really good make. espically for stage monitors.

[Sapphire Disco]

They look like very good value for money to me .

[One Vision]

Ive also been looking at this model AC Euro AC115D Speaker (Pair), just contacted them for price, estimated delivery time and what Eminence drivers are fitted (I reckon the KAPPA PRO-15A) but like to have verified.
I am liking these :)

http://www.djtechnology.co.uk/pages/productinfo.asp?F_ProductID=492

[wigglyrich01]

I have a pair of the older ac euro cabs and there great. Not the prettiest things in the world (mainly due to their age) but there rock solid and very powerful. They've also got huge eminence drivers in them and decent compression horns so you know their good quality.:) :)

[One Vision]

I have a pair of the older ac euro cabs and there great. Not the prettiest things in the world (mainly due to their age) but there rock solid and very powerful. They've also got huge eminence drivers in them and decent compression horns so you know their good quality.:) :)

MMMMM very interesting, and not that much more than class-d, more power and decent cast alloy Eminence drivers to boot :D

[axeman]

i have a pair and they are great sounding, bombproof, workhorses i dont use them very often, but when i do they always sound great. At xmas i had another guy working for me and using these speakers, he commented on the quality of sound and power, he said they made the old 50s rock around the clock etc sound better than he'd ever heard !!! before you ask, using a peavey pv1500 amp.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

ive heard there a really good make. espically for stage monitors.

Not sure about 'good' make. Budget maybe.

[DJWilson]

Not sure about 'good' make. Budget maybe.


From this thread it looks as so they are

[A1DL]

ive heard there a really good make. espically for stage monitors.

But have you heard the cabs?

Anyway, they're not even the right shape for mons, so would need to be used in conjunction with a couple of sound dispersion correction devices.....

http://www.videogear.co.uk/images/uploads/gaffa_tape.jpg

[One Vision]

The price sort of makes them look budget but in fairness the quality of components they use in them, the drivers alone ain't bad and to buy are not much less than the black widows drivers in the peavey UL 15.

With them using decent compression drivers and Eminence cast alloy bass drivers they are well in the right direction towards decent quality, maybe not the worlds best but considering the price an all pretty good quality.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I've heard them. They are not 'quality' speakers.

Let's not try to redefine the defination of quality here.

Nothing wrong with budget cabs or equipment, but don't try and convince me they are quality.

[One Vision]

Daz am not trying to convince you of anything or anybody ells for that matter, all I am going of is the specifications of them as I see it.
Am not saying their not budget speakers either as the price speaks for its self but what I do know is once you move from steel pressed bass drivers to a decent named alloy cast bass drivers and 4-500wrms per cab then you are going away from the budget side quite allot.

just going of the spec I would put money on them sounding better than as an example the FBT MAXX-4 300 Watt plastic cabs that a mate of mine uses and over £600 a pair.

[A1DL]

Daz am not trying to convince you of anything or anybody ells for that matter, all I am going of is the specifications of them as I see it.
Am not saying their not budget speakers either as the price speaks for its self but what I do know is once you move from steel pressed bass drivers to a decent named alloy cast bass drivers and 4-500wrms per cab then you are going away from the budget side quite allot.

just going of the spec I would put money on them sounding better than as an example the FBT MAXX-4 300 Watt plastic cabs that a mate of mine uses and over £600 a pair.

I'd rather have a B&C driver than a budget Eminence (and the AC cabs are using one of the very cheap Eminence drivers)

forget wrms, that means nothing as has been pointed out many times before, let's concentrate on SPL - here we have a negligable 1db difference between these boxes @ 1w/1m - the AC is 99db and the FBT 98db

There is nothing about these AC Euro cabs that isn't fairly and squarely "BUDGET" with capital "B"

[One Vision]

I would still put money on them sounding better with more punch top and bottom.
I have heard the FBT MAXX-4 and for the money they are not that much to rave about, although they do sound nice and bright but nothing special.

If RMS is not to be considered then why is that one of the main points to look for and considered when checking speakers out?

[A1DL]

If RMS is not to be considered then why is that one of the main points to look for and considered when checking speakers out?

It isn't.

Efficiency is what matters, not power.

Putting that simply, if you need a box capable of producing x db peak @ 1m, the more efficient box is the one that needs the least power to achieve x db

Amplifier RMS power is relevant when matching amps to cabs, but not when choosing cabs.

[djsteve10]

To put it short and sweet here,

AC Euro are a budget speaker same as Wharfedale, KAM, Warrior, They all do the same job at the end of the day, The difference in quality lies in when you use turbosound, HK Audio, Logic or FBT. I did a Xmas disco at Elland Road (LUFC Leeds) and they employ alot of cheap budget dj's who use budget sound systems, I was using turbosound and the manager came over to me and said "That is the best speaker system i have ever heard down here" That is where the difference lies when the customers, clients or managers can tell the difference in quality.

But then on the other opinion it is music that matters!

[One Vision]

Fare doos the FBT may be more efficient for its size etc. but doesn't necessarily mean it sounds better overall, from what I can remember the FBT was very toppy and only sounded at its best in conjunction with bass bins.

This is a bit of a no win situation really as I can only go of the spec on the AC cabs.
So another question would be would you go for the AC over the class-d??????
My mate is still on at me to build my own cabs, all I have to do is choose what drivers I want then his mate Ian Dixon who has his own company building, installing sound systems so will provide all nesassary internals and hardware and the correct plans for the specifications I choose so may yet go down that road.
I have been thinking of going for similar spec to the Peavey UL15 with a flared horn compression driver, this would work out roughly half the price of buying the ULs


To put it short and sweet here,

AC Euro are a budget speaker same as Wharfedale, KAM, Warrior, They all do the same job at the end of the day, The difference in quality lies in when you use turbosound, HK Audio, Logic or FBT. I did a Xmas disco at Elland Road (LUFC Leeds) and they employ alot of cheap budget dj's who use budget sound systems, I was using turbosound and the manager came over to me and said "That is the best speaker system i have ever heard down here" That is where the difference lies when the customers, clients or managers can tell the difference in quality.

But then on the other opinion it is music that matters!

turbosound is a different class again to such as FBT etc. they even put the Peavey ULs to shame, put some turbosound in front of the FBTs and they would melt.
Wharfedale budget these days yes but once up on a time they were pretty high spec.

[A1DL]

My mate is still on at me to build my own cabs, all I have to do is choose what drivers I want then his mate Ian Dixon who has his own company building, installing sound systems so will provide all nesassary internals and hardware and the correct plans for the specifications I choose so may yet go down that road. I have been thinking of going for similar spec to the Peavey UL15 with a flared horn compression driver, this would work out roughly half the price of buying the ULs


Karl, if you are thinking of taking the self-build route, have a look at www.speakerplans.com (http://www.speakerplans.com) (Mods - I trust it's OK to link to this site, if not please delete :o )

There are a lot of good guys on SP who will help you with plans, drivers etc and they will soon cure you of any signs of that strange (but not previously unheardof) desire to build anything that remotely looks or sounds like Peavey. Having said that, the latter is very difficult, although if it's your first self-build and it goes horribly Pete Tong, I guess anything's possible. :cool:

[One Vision]

ha ha ha yeh been on that one mate thanks for the link though.
And whats wrong with peavey :tongue2:

[Tom]

Now as this is about efficiency then what about these cheap budget speakers as people would call them.

Link (http://www.brooke-products.com/assets/pdf/J02429%202115XPRO%20Data%20Sheet.pdf)

These speakers are rated at 102db sensitivity. Now a pair of these speaker would cost just under £550. Are these any good just from reading the stats. I have never heard these and have asked before on here but these do look like good speakers on paper.

Just to compare them to very expensive speakers I have used the Void Audio Stasys 3 series 2 which are 108db sensitivity. Link (http://www.voidaudio.com/product_detail.asp?id=17)

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I have no problem with any kind of speaker, whether they be high end or budget. What does annoy me slightly is when people start changing the definition of speakers and calling budget speakers high end etc

[A1DL]

Now as this is about efficiency then what about these cheap budget speakers as people would call them.

Link (http://www.brooke-products.com/assets/pdf/J02429%202115XPRO%20Data%20Sheet.pdf)

These speakers are rated at 102db sensitivity. Now a pair of these speaker would cost just under £550. Are these any good just from reading the stats. I have never heard these and have asked before on here but these do look like good speakers on paper.

Just to compare them to very expensive speakers I have used the Void Audio Stasys 3 series 2 which are 108db sensitivity. Link (http://www.voidaudio.com/product_detail.asp?id=17)

Tom

102db 1w/1m is reasonable as far as budget cabs go, however remember this doesn't mean they sound nice. I've never heard (or even heard of) Brooke before this morning, so you'd have to go and HEAR them.

However, comparing these particular Brooke cabs to a Stasys 3 seems rather pointless as you're not comparing apples with apples.

One is a 3-way bi/tri amped horn loaded touring enclosure listed at over £2,000 per box, the other is a passive reflex box that goes for a couple of hundred quid. Listen to the Brooke boxes against other REFLEX boxes at similar price point (Class D and Peavey spring to mind, they seem to have a few supporters on here). Listen to the Stasys 3 against Res 4/5, Aspect, C4, etc.

One other point - I couldn't find any dispersion data for the Brooke, however please note the Stasys 3 is only 45 degrees horizontal, which could be very/too narrow in some cases if using only one box per side. Depends on the shape of the room.

Hope this helps

Tony

[Tom]

Tom

102db 1w/1m is reasonable as far as budget cabs go, however remember this doesn't mean they sound nice. I've never heard (or even heard of) Brooke before this morning, so you'd have to go and HEAR them.

However, comparing these particular Brooke cabs to a Stasys 3 seems rather pointless as you're not comparing apples with apples.

One is a 3-way bi/tri amped horn loaded touring enclosure listed at over £2,000 per box, the other is a passive reflex box that goes for a couple of hundred quid. Listen to the Brooke boxes against other REFLEX boxes at similar price point (Class D and Peavey spring to mind, they seem to have a few supporters on here). Listen to the Stasys 3 against Res 4/5, Aspect, C4, etc.

One other point - I couldn't find any dispersion data for the Brooke, however please note the Stasys 3 is only 45 degrees horizontal, which could be very/too narrow in some cases if using only one box per side. Depends on the shape of the room.

Hope this helps

Tony


I know and totally understand what you have said. I guess that was a wrong comparrison but what I was getting at was the brooke speakers had a 102db at 1w/1m which I thought was rather good.

[One Vision]

I have no problem with any kind of speaker, whether they be high end or budget. What does annoy me slightly is when people start changing the definition of speakers and calling budget speakers high end etc

Come on Daz whats the definition of budget mate, to me price and yes £300 for a pair is in the slightly budget range although more mid range as far as the spec and DJ speakers go.
I have never heard them so can only go of what I read but you have to admit they are a bit higher spec than your average "budget" speakers.
But to put a closure on this I would never say they are high end far from it but more towards the mid range.

I dont know why this would annoy you really, its just a discussion.
If it was one of the companies out there pricing their gear as mid range when they are obviously budget due to the spec but asking silly prices then yes that can be annoying.

All I see with the AC is a reasonably priced pair of cabs not over priced and for a better than average bit of kit for what they sell for. :confused:

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

But to put a closure on this I would never say they are high end far from it but more towards the mid range.



They are not mid range. They are budget.

Anything under £200 for a pair of cabs has to come into that bracket.

Where would you put RCF, JBL and Mackie if you consider these to be mid range? High end? Certainly not. High end is Martin Audio, Nexo and Void.

Obviously each manufacturer has a more budget range and a higher end range, so it's difficult to pidgeon hole everything.

[CRAZY K]

Tom

102db 1w/1m is reasonable as far as budget cabs go, however remember this doesn't mean they sound nice. I've never heard (or even heard of) Brooke before this morning, so you'd have to go and HEAR them.

However, comparing these particular Brooke cabs to a Stasys 3 seems rather pointless as you're not comparing apples with apples.

One is a 3-way bi/tri amped horn loaded touring enclosure listed at over £2,000 per box, the other is a passive reflex box that goes for a couple of hundred quid. Listen to the Brooke boxes against other REFLEX boxes at similar price point (Class D and Peavey spring to mind, they seem to have a few supporters on here). Listen to the Stasys 3 against Res 4/5, Aspect, C4, etc.

One other point - I couldn't find any dispersion data for the Brooke, however please note the Stasys 3 is only 45 degrees horizontal, which could be very/too narrow in some cases if using only one box per side. Depends on the shape of the room.

Hope this helps

Tony

Out of interest Tony some of us are playing small to medium venues up to 100 people where Peavey and Class D are more than adequate to cover the sound and quality requirements allowing for the prices being charged.

Sure we could spend twice as much money on kit and no one would appreciate it ( especially the drunks ) and no one would pay increased prices.

It could be you are playing in a higher league where higher specs and volume levels are required and a different approach is needed with superior equipment.

Its horses for courses--im happy with my Peavey Horse:D :D :D

CRAZY K

[One Vision]

They are not mid range. They are budget.

Anything under £200 for a pair of cabs has to come into that bracket.

Where would you put RCF, JBL and Mackie if you consider these to be mid range? High end? Certainly not. High end is Martin Audio, Nexo and Void.

Obviously each manufacturer has a more budget range and a higher end range, so it's difficult to pidgeon hole everything.

Daz thats the point they are not priced at under £200 they are £300 or were that price so I guess entry level mid ranged?

I would put RCF, JBL and Mackie at the higher end of mid range but again this is purely going of price and spec but doesn't necessarily mean they sound better, you would just assume so for the price.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Daz thats the point they are not priced at under £200 they are £300 or were that price so I guess entry level mid ranged?

Sorry, I thought they were cheaper than that, but even at £300, they really are budget for a pair of speakers.

There was a thread on here somewhere asking people to list what they thought came in each catergory which was interesting. Realistically and I am generalising, I reckon anything up to about £400 is budget, £401 - £1000 mid and £1000+ higher end. Just my opinion of course. :)

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I would put RCF, JBL and Mackie at the higher end of mid range

Agreed, but for example the c300z were on sale for £250 a pair and JBL make cheaper cabs too.

This could get complicated...:D

[One Vision]

lol the only point I was getting accross bud was that although they are yes classed as budget cabs which I think everybody would agree on, is the fact that they are using cast alloy drivers and half decent compression drivers and are a decent rms to boot and for yes a budget price, but in fairness they are a bit better than your average budget speakers, certainly tones better then the Peavey pro series and around the same price bracket (sorry krazy :tongue2: )

[One Vision]

Agreed, but for example the c300z were on sale for £250 a pair and JBL make cheaper cabs too.

This could get complicated...:D

If the srm450s were passive and not active they would probably be classed as budget cabs :D

[A1DL]

Out of interest Tony some of us are playing small to medium venues up to 100 people where Peavey and Class D are more than adequate to cover the sound and quality requirements allowing for the prices being charged.

CRAZY K

Agreed totally Alan, everything has its place in the foodchain....

which is indeed why I suggested Tom look at these budget boxes as a sensible "apples vs apples" comparison to the Brooke, as I was aware from this forum that both were quite popular on here and would provide some kind of benchmark at a price point.

Tony

[A1DL]

Realistically and I am generalising, I reckon anything up to about £400 is budget, £401 - £1000 mid and £1000+ higher end. Just my opinion of course. :)

Daz - I'm in agreement with you if that's per box (and not per pair)

[Tony Scott]

Out of interest Tony some of us are playing small to medium venues up to 100 people where Peavey and Class D are more than adequate to cover the sound and quality requirements allowing for the prices being charged.

Sure we could spend twice as much money on kit and no one would appreciate it ( especially the drunks ) and no one would pay increased prices.

It could be you are playing in a higher league where higher specs and volume levels are required and a different approach is needed with superior equipment.

Its horses for courses--im happy with my Peavey Horse:D :D :D

CRAZY K

That's a very valid point but I wonder how many of us have a the kind of addiction to sound system & speaker fetish that I have had since childhood and want to use the best we can?

I don't care if I can't get more money for using a better system, I get so much enjoyment from using my sound that as long as I'm doing OK that's good enough.

I'm just curious to see how many others out there do it as much for the love of it as for the dosh?

For last nights wedding I put 6kW into a small marquee for about 100 people, I could have easily managed with about 2kW but woke up this morning with a big grin on my face thinking about the awsome sound system I provided and how fantastic it sounded! :D

[Excalibur]

For last nights wedding I put 6kW into a small marquee for about 100 people, I could have easily managed with about 2kW :D

Somebody chastise him for that, or else I'm going to complain about being unfairly victimised, when I do that! :bang: :bang: :D :D

[Tony Scott]

Somebody chastise him for that, or else I'm going to complain about being unfairly victimised, when I do that! :bang: :bang: :D :D

Yeah read that thread Peter, one with the long room etc?

Stayed out of it! :D

[CRAZY K]

That's a very valid point but I wonder how many of us have a the kind of addiction to sound system & speaker fetish that I have had since childhood and want to use the best we can?

I don't care if I can't get more money for using a better system, I get so much enjoyment from using my sound that as long as I'm doing OK that's good enough.

I'm just curious to see how many others out there do it as much for the love of it as for the dosh?

For last nights wedding I put 6kW into a small marquee for about 100 people, I could have easily managed with about 2kW but woke up this morning with a big grin on my face thinking about the awsome sound system I provided and how fantastic it sounded! :D

Yes you have to feel good about yourself--so if that makes you happy you keep doing it:D

I DO IT FOR BOTH REASONS:D :D :D

Im in a different business (mostly) which relies more on my ability to
PERSUADE PEOPLE TO GET OUT THEIR SEATS AND DO WHAT I TELL THEM--

So the equipment side is not so much an issue--but having clear PA and some punchy music does help and I get a good satisfaction buzz if people enjoy themselves because of what I do---

I reckon to have a better sound system than any of my competitors--( Barn Dance callers) so im also on an equipment ego trip:D :D :D

Although strangely NO ONE ever asks about our equipment even when im doing bolt on Wedding Discos --so im not convinced it makes a lot of difference to the client.

CRAZY K

[Tony Scott]

.......equipment ego trip:D :D :D....


CRAZY K

.......yeah that just about sums it up! :approve: :)

[Tom]

... I reckon anything up to about £400 is budget, £401 - £1000 mid and £1000+ higher end. Just my opinion of course. :)


Daz - I'm in agreement with you if that's per box (and not per pair)

And our survey says....

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

And our survey says....

I was talking per pair, but then I am talking about for disco use rather than higher end PA hire etc.

[Tom]

Thanks for clearing that up. I did think it was each and not a pair, well at the speaker I have been looking anyway. If it was a pair then Mackie and RCF would still be in the "higher end" as what I have been looking at cost over £1000 a pair or over £500 each.