Stairville Mh250s Moving Head

[Shaun]

I know quite a few of us are using the stairville moving head. Just wondered if anyone's seen the STAIRVILLE MH250S MOVING HEAD in action?. I've been after some 'movers' with rotating gobos and inter-changable gobos for a while and the price seems good on this. Just wondered if anyone has seen these in action?

http://www.thomann.de/gb/stairville_mh250s_moving_head.htm

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

26Kg for a moving head!

[Shaun]

Just a little heavier than a Mackie, I think I can manage. Unless anybody else can suggest some fairly priced movers with change-able rotating gobos?

The price on them seem pretty good for the features I need. Quite a good price Thomann (http://www.thomann.de/gb/stairville_mh250s_moving_head_bundle.htm) is doing for the set of 2 including flightcase

[Tony Scott]

26Kg for a moving head!Whimp! :D :D

26kg's due to the massive transformers needed for the MSD 250W discharge stike-up. MSD 250W discharge lamp is much brighter than the HTI150 type, I have the MSD250 in my Shivas and those are awsome but very heavy.



http://www.thomann.de/gb/stairville_mh250s_moving_head.htm
Seen these in action though never used them myself. They were very bright and precise. If I had the spare dosh I'd go for these. Good deal, sturdy looking case too :approve:

[Shaun]

Thanks Tony. :)

[rob1963]

Just a little heavier than a Mackie

:eek: :eek: :eek:

That's like saying something is just a little heavier than a ton!

[Shaun]

Mackie's weigh in at about 23 kilos. If that's too heavy to lift you should take up something less strenuous....like knitting. :d

[Penfold42]

Mackie's weigh in at about 23 kilos. If that's too heavy to lift you should take up something less strenuous....like knitting. :d
:lol:

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

The Oby-3 look quite good.

[dj andy]

Shaun, I use 2 of these,they really light the mirror ball up, really bright and respond well in stand alone mode. An excellent mover for the money. Yes they are quite heavy.

How you getting on with the booking for the 24th June ?

Andy

[Shaun]

The Oby-3 look quite good.

They do indeed. Thanks for contacting me with the info. :)


Shaun, I use 2 of these,they really light the mirror ball up, really bright and respond well in stand alone mode. An excellent mover for the money. Yes they are quite heavy.

How you getting on with the booking for the 24th June ?

Andy

Thanks Andy. Although I use DMX, the stand-alone feature is important to me too. Also looking at the Geni OBY-3 after Daz sent me some info. No mention of stand alone mode on those though.

Re: 24th June. Everything's confirmed and finalised. Thanks again for forwarding me the booking. :)

[Sam]

The Pilot250 is very good too....

[Danno13]

Shaun.. for the extra £20, i'd go for these - http://www.thomann.de/gb/stairville_mh_575_s_moving_head.htm

575w discharge and prism efffect... although just read you need to buy the lamp seperatley, so thats probably another £80odd ontop.

[yourdj]

Just a little heavier than a Mackie, I think I can manage. Unless anybody else can suggest some fairly priced movers with change-able rotating gobos?

The price on them seem pretty good for the features I need. Quite a good price Thomann (http://www.thomann.de/gb/stairville_mh250s_moving_head_bundle.htm) is doing for the set of 2 including flightcase

Try pearl river pilot 250's (as sam has suggested). not an expert on the subject but they are very good. just come back from my first proper dmx'd up gig :) £500 each and worth every penny.

Actually looking at Danno13's idea thats probably better

http://www.sound-light-company.co.uk/pearl-river-pr-2150-pilot-150-moving-head-4-pack-p-10698.html

[Shaun]

The Pilot250 is very good too....

I'm sure I heard you say that they don't have a 'stand alone' mode?. I'm really after some units that work just as well sound to light as they do DMX.


Shaun.. for the extra £20, i'd go for these - http://www.thomann.de/gb/stairville_mh_575_s_moving_head.htm

575w discharge and prism efffect... although just read you need to buy the lamp seperatley, so thats probably another £80odd ontop.

I did look at those. I thought that maybe 575w discharge would be too bright for a mobile disco situation. No?

[yourdj]

I'm sure I heard you say that they don't have a 'stand alone' mode?.?

No they don't do stand alone :)

[Sam]

Try pearl river pilot 250's (as sam has suggested). not an expert on the subject but they are very good. just come back from my first proper dmx'd up gig :) £500 each and worth every penny.

Actually looking at Danno13's idea thats probably better

http://www.sound-light-company.co.uk/pearl-river-pr-2150-pilot-150-moving-head-4-pack-p-10698.html


You said in your thread that you have 150s..... and as such have a lot fewer features than the 250s :confused:

And sorry Shaun, They don't. :)

[yourdj]

You said in your thread that you have 150s..... and as such have a lot fewer features than the 250s :confused:

And sorry Shaun, They don't. :)

Yes I do have the 150's, sorry was late last night not reading properly :)

What are the added features for the 250's? looking at getting two more MH's of some sort (LED IDEAL). :)

[Sam]

Ok lol.. i noticed you said 250s in another post somewhere too - which I couldn't be bothered to point out but is a bit silly as there is, in my opinion, a large difference between the two.

Just have a look at the 250s specs - I wont make comparison as I can't remember exactly what the 150s do - are they 8 channels? The 250 has 15.

Bit overkill for discos in some cases thought - especially if you want it to run to music. More suited to theatre / show work unless you have the time to control them imho.

[Danno13]

I did look at those. I thought that maybe 575w discharge would be too bright for a mobile disco situation. No?


Provided they're up high enough I would think they'd be ok. They probably have a dimmer anyhow. The prism makes a massive difference with coverage though, means they can basically completely replace any moonflowers you use.

[Sam]

I'm sure you will find 575w too bright for a disco situation no matter where you rig it - although they are good for the occasions where the disco is during the day or though bright light...

And agree about the prism - best bit about having movers.

[Sapphire Disco]

How about these ?

www.Discoworlduk.com

£259.00 each

[Shaun]

Provided they're up high enough I would think they'd be ok. They probably have a dimmer anyhow. The prism makes a massive difference with coverage though, means they can basically completely replace any moonflowers you use.

Thanks Dan,

Is it normal for the units to have an on-board dimmer to reduce the output?, I know this can be done via the DMX controller, but I would have thought that it would revert back to full output when switched to 'sound to light' mode?. Questions questions. :d


How about these ?

www.Discoworlduk.com

£259.00 each

Ummm, you forgot to tell me what I should be looking for? :D

*edit, never mind...found it. :)

[Sam]

If it was running on sound-to-light mode it would just be its pre-sets... which I'm pretty sure would be max output. Unless there was a way to over-ride it on the units menu.

[Shaun]

I thought as much, pity. The prism effect would have been nice but it's not the main priority for me.

[Sam]

Do you really need sound-to-light though?
I personally think it is over valued.

[Shaun]

Do you really need sound-to-light though?
I personally think it is over valued.

I don't really need it, but I'd prefer it. I like to switch between the dmx shows I've already programmed and sound to light, it gives a bit more variety. I'd love to have the time to program enough DMX scenes to give me a huge amount of variety to last the whole evening, but with a hardware controller it's a laborious and painstaking task. The array of scenes I've already programmed took a long time as it is. Maybe once I make the foray into PC based dmx programming things will be a little less time consuming...but for now it'll have to be a mixture of sound to light and dmx.

[yourdj]

Bit overkill for discos in some cases thought - especially if you want it to run to music. More suited to theatre / show work unless you have the time to control them imho.

Overkill is good ;). Im looking at doing allot more corporate stuff at some point so a better light and a brighter light is good for multiple uses?

[Sam]

yes i suppose.
But then why would a corporate event mean you need a birghter light? ;)
As long as you dim it down for small functions it is fine.

Otherwise you will just have people complaining that it is too bright - and it will detract from the rest of your show too much too imho.

[yourdj]

yes i suppose.
But then why would a corporate event mean you need a birghter light? ;)
As long as you dim it down for small functions it is fine.

Otherwise you will just have people complaining that it is too bright - and it will detract from the rest of your show too much too imho.

I agree. The average punter is impressed by moon flower scanners. was thinking day time stuff etc. as i had a fashion show recently and the lights were not too visible (albeit 150 watt).

There are many people on this forum obsessed by lights and effects. I used to go carp fishing and i always needed the best stuff and max it out, which goes with all hobbies but this is business.

Although important - playing the right music, being professional and polite and having good sound at the correct volume is more important in my eyes unless you have a big event etc. or something out of the ordinary.

I now think about the time it takes me to set up/pack up, loading etc. and the effect of my service and the price i charge which is quite reasonable.

I offer optional extras for anything else.

What does "imho" mean :p

[Jiggles]

IMHO = In My Humble Opinion

[yourdj]

IMHO = In My Humble Opinion

Ta :)

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I agree. The average punter is impressed by moon flower scanners.

Sorry, but the aerage punter doesn't give a toss about lighting.

[Shaun]

Sorry, but the aerage punter doesn't give a toss about lighting.

Never a truer word spoken.

[yourdj]

Sorry, but the aerage punter doesn't give a toss about lighting.

Thats what i meant :) in a sarcastic type of way. They don't know the different between one light to the other. some of my best gigs have been with no lighting.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Thats what i meant :) in a sarcastic type of way. They don't know the different between one light to the other. some of my best gigs have been with no lighting.

Ah, sorry - I misinterpreted your post. :)

[yourdj]

Ah, sorry - I misinterpreted your post. :)

No probs :)

[Shaun]

Well, I decided to go with the Imove 250S's (http://www.ebdj.co.uk/shop/product_info.php?product_id=12004) instead. Pretty much the same lights as the stairville but the outer casing is slightly different. I preferred the look of the Imoves to the stairville. Also got quite a good deal on a pair of them with flightcase. However, finding a place that makes custom logos that don't cost an arm and a leg (sorry dave) was more tricky.

[Shaun]

Hmmm, the sales jargon makes a point of stating that the gobos are replacable. I've just opened up the fixtures to change some of the gobos to new ones I'd ordered....it looks like I might need an engineering degree and some specialised tools to take half the light apart to get near the gobo wheel. Talk about false advertising.

[Sam]

Hmmm, the sales jargon makes a point of stating that the gobos are replacable. I've just opened up the fixtures to change some of the gobos to new ones I'd ordered....it looks like I might need an engineering degree and some specialised tools to take half the light apart to get near the gobo wheel. Talk about false advertising.

There will be a way.
Does it say in the instructions?
I don't know that the Stairvilles are like but if it says you can... then you can. Could just be a case of sliding the gobo out from the side you can get access to.. but it will be fiddly.

[Shaun]

There will be a way.
Does it say in the instructions?
I don't know that the Stairvilles are like but if it says you can... then you can. Could just be a case of sliding the gobo out from the side you can get access to.. but it will be fiddly.

It doesn't really say in the instructions. It looks fiddly alright...especially for somebody like me with fat fingers :lol:

[Sam]

It doesn't really say in the instructions. It looks fiddly alright...especially for somebody like me with fat fingers :lol:

Hmm.
You could always take pictures of what you can see etc.
And I can try and find the manual online.. and try to "shed some light" for you.