Not Again!!!!

[Charlie Brown]

Well as many of you will remember my thread "Worst Gig of my life!" when my great Maplins speakers blew! Well since then I have had to return the amp (on the day of a 30th) due to one speaker being a lot louder than the other, and then another speaker! Well for the past few gigs it has been fine, and no problems, till last night!!

Set in a Marquee, 16th birthday party and they are regarded as family friends. I'm doing this gig for free, thank god, and decide to set up early. Test everything, and is all ok, except I keep getting shocks from the amp, and the mixer. This is really bad, but we put it down to static. The dad then touched the amp and screamed as he got another shock! I knew something wasn’t right, but wasn’t sure what! I had surge protectors etc, so just didn’t understand it! Before leaving, I taught the Dad how to play CD's, or plug their MP3 in, and he understood fine, as he would play the music till I arrived, (8.15, party stared at 7.30) This was my first mistake! He claims that the amp just turned itself off, for no apparent reason, but he soon started it up again. I start at 8.15, and get another huge shock (gave me a headache), then a girl grabs the microphone and throws it on the floor, as she gets a shock! It was mad, my Numark CD player, was letting of electricity vibes, (if you put your hand over it, you could feel the electricity, sounds mad, but it’s true!!) The amp then turns itself off again! Something isn’t right! I then notice that my left speaker (the new one, that I had changed), wasn’t producing any bass, but on the amp both dials were moving. (Last time this had happened the amp turned itself off, so I thought it was ok) checked it again by turning the right speaker off, and I was right, the left speaker had gone! It wasn’t even loud, these speakers had performed to audiences of 200, but there were 30 people here! I then decide to turn it on bridge mode, and just use the right speaker, but throughout the night, the amp kept turned itself off. Thank god they were all drunk and didn’t notice! They got so bad towards the end of the night, ambulances, emergency paramedics, and police had to come to the house. Some people were diabetic, others couldn’t move, sick everywhere, it was just mad.

What do you think I should do? Even though there was a problem with the electricity, nothing else turned off just the amp, and then the speaker blew! It was a nightmare; at least it wasn’t a proper party, like a paid gig! Can I take it back to Maplins again? Will they blame me? We have become more friendly with the manager, and brought a load of stuff from there so that helps…..Help and advice please:D

[BeerFunk]

If the amp isn't grounded properly, not only should you get a full refund, but you also should receive an apology and compensation from the manufacturers! :eek:

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

My advice would be not to buy from Maplins.

[Charlie Brown]

If the amp isn't grounded properly, not only should you get a full refund, but you also should receive an apology and compensation from the manufacturers! :eek:

Yeh but it has never done that before...

[discomobiledj]

How was the power being supplied to the Marquee? Extension lead from a mains socket in the house? or a stand alone power supply?

What was on the floor? Plastic sheeting? Wood?

It does sound like a amplifier fault, what Amp was it?

[Charlie Brown]

How was the power being supplied to the Marquee? Extension lead from a mains socket in the house? or a stand alone power supply?

What was on the floor? Plastic sheeting? Wood?

It does sound like a amplifier fault, what Amp was it?

Erm the ground was grass, but my amp was on the several lays of thick wood.

Electricty was from two seperate scokets from the house!

Thats the amp:
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?TabID=1&ModuleNo=220537&doy=25m5

Many thanks

[Tom]

:eek: For that price you can get a much better amp for the same money, if not less.

[Jiggles]

Thats what you get for buying cheap rubbish!

[Charlie Brown]

So get a refund and then new speakers?

[discomobiledj]

Do you really need a 1600 w amp?

I use a Biema W220 600w amp which was £100 (Fantastic Value) and have a Warrior DA 800 as a back up! (I know, bit strange having the better amp as a back up, just haven't got round to swapping them over) which was £125.

I get my stuff from Electromarket and whybuynew (only buy the bits marked NEW)

[Charlie Brown]

Ok having a argument with dad, can you all please look at the maplins website and tell me the max power of the amp: pecifications: 4Ω stereo: 2 x 500Wrms 8Ω stereo: 2 x 250Wrms 8Ω bridged: 1 x 800Wrms Max power: 1600Wmax @ 8Ω

[DJWilson]

Here's the new amp ive got well worth the money.

http://www.thomann.de/gb/tamp_ta1400_amplifier.htm


as well as a 3 year warranty, doubt yourll use it

[discomobiledj]

Ok having a argument with dad, can you all please look at the maplins website and tell me the max power of the amp: pecifications: 4Ω stereo: 2 x 500Wrms 8Ω stereo: 2 x 250Wrms 8Ω bridged: 1 x 800Wrms Max power: 1600Wmax @ 8Ω

Am I right in saying that this it is a 1000w amplifier on a "standard" pair of speakers??

[Jiggles]

Its not a 1000W amp! its 1600W at 4 Ohms bridged. With the speakers you have it wll be giving 500W.

[Tony Scott]

I had a mixer once that had a live 240v wire come loose inside and touched the audio out, it took out a complete 5k soundsystem, all the amps, processors and speakers. This kept giving shocks prior to failing.

Take the lot back charlie, get your money back if possible......good luck! :)

[DJWilson]

dont take any gigs within the next week or two. it gives you time to sort things out and check your new gear.

[Penfold42]

Take the lot back charlie, get your money back if possible......good luck! :)

:agree:.....don't need the agro.

What if the client had paid.......not worth thinking about....refund Mr Manager please....:)

[spin mobile disco]

Sounds like it may have been a mains fault at the venue rather than the amp itself. Get yourself a socket tester they only cost about £2 and are well worth the money.

[Tony Scott]

Sounds like it may have been a mains fault at the venue rather than the amp itself.

I thought that but given that one of the speakers had previously been taken out at an earlier date I would definately get the amp checked.

[ppentertainments]

If looking for a new amp you can't go wrong with this for the price :
http://www.djpro.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=1186&shpsessid=2c30084eed2fb03933718596d0cdf930

I use one and (touch wood) it has never let me down. When shopping for amps and speakers watch out for people saying things are better than they are ie 600w speakers which have a peak power of 600w but only have 150w rms. (these figures are made up but just for example !!)

[Charlie Brown]

kk, first deal is to:

maybe pay an extra 50quid and swap the pro sound amp for this:http://www.djstore.com/item/amplifiers/numdim3.htm

or they take it all back to head office, check for faults and maybe I will get a refund, but could take 2 weeks, and my next gig is on the 14th June when I have two!! So bit risky, and just tested the amp and seems to be fine, very strange!

or just keep the amp and they replace the bust speaker, and the amp if I want..

what do you think guys???

plus it came as a package; the amp is 1600wat and the speakers can only handle 1000 max!!! Crazy,
little fact I found out, you may not know, Pro Sound (maplins) is manufactured by Carlsbro!!

[Jiggles]

Carlsbro use cheap components on them though

[Tony Scott]

I have a Warrior that I use for my monitors, it's a good workhorse and has been no problem for me. I've heard they have had a problem where they burn out where the bridge-rectifier is soldered to the PCB and start smoking!

another option would be:

http://www.thomann.de/gb/tamp_ta1050ii_endstufe.htm £145.00
or
http://www.thomann.de/gb/tamp_ta1400_amplifier.htm £195.00 :)

[Charlie Brown]

Yep sure, but I could get this Numark for 50quid, if I swap my Pro Sound amp, its all money, then I need a decent set of speakers to go with them, any idea?

[DJWilson]

I have a Warrior that I use for my monitors, it's a good workhorse and has been no problem for me. I've heard they have had a problem where they burn out where the bridge-rectifier is soldered to the PCB and start smoking!

another option would be:

http://www.thomann.de/gb/tamp_ta1050ii_endstufe.htm £145.00
or
http://www.thomann.de/gb/tamp_ta1400_amplifier.htm £195.00 :)


The T.AMP 1400 is a very good amp. fantastic price! and a thomann 3 years warranty


Yep sure, but I could get this Numark for 50quid, if I swap my Pro Sound amp, its all money, then I need a decent set of speakers to go with them, any idea?


You know any other DJ's near you that are friends of family etc?

I got a pair of 400RMS speakers for £100 off of a friend of the family.

[Sam]

The way this reads is that you knew the units had something wrong with them but you kept on using them for future gigs? :confused: :confused:
Lesson is not to use Maplin gear :)

And Nathan, I thought you got all your gear from your dad....?

[DJWilson]

And Nathan, I thought you got all your gear from your dad....?


I have but some items such as: amps and speakers do wear out and you need to buy news ones

[Tony Scott]

The T.AMP 1400 is a very good amp. fantastic price! and a thomann 3 years warranty

Yeah I've got the 1400 and a 2400, great amps!

Also have the T-Amp proline 3000, very heavy (37kg) but an awsome amp.

[DJWilson]

Yeah I've got the 1400 and a 2400, great amps!

Also have the T-Amp proline 3000, very heavy (37kg) but an awsome amp.


When i first got my 1400 nd tryed getting out of the box i didnt realise it would be that heavy:attn: ...:eek:

[Charlie Brown]

So if I brought the amp for 50quid, do you know any speakers that will go well with it?

[Dragonfly]

i really really would advise against spending 50 quid on an amp ..... its the engine of your entire set up !!!!

you wouldnt buy a farrari and put a lego engine in it would you?? save up get at least a decent sound system if nothing else.

[Charlie Brown]

i really really would advise against spending 50 quid on an amp ..... its the engine of your entire set up !!!!

you wouldnt buy a farrari and put a lego engine in it would you?? save up get at least a decent sound system if nothing else.

Nooooooooo

the amp is worth 300quid,

I would just take my pro sound amo back and pay the 50 quid difference

[Dragonfly]

aaahhhhh im with you my humble apologies.

[Charlie Brown]

aaahhhhh im with you my humble apologies.

Lol, dont be daft,

have recomendations for speakers? http://www.djkit.co.uk/product.php?id=61&highlight=numark%20amp

thats the amp, btw i love your light show, (just watched the video) :)

Charlie

[Jiggles]

As everyone says got for a T amp!

[Charlie Brown]

Lol, yeh but you dont understand I cant, money !!!

[One Vision]

Hya charlie must be a nightmare for you, personally I would start with the obvious, check all leads and extension leads.
Its possible that an earth wire could have come lose in an extension lead etc. especially ones with standard plugs you can open up.

If unsure on the cables buy new for piece of mind.

[Excalibur]

Come on folks, please read the posts carefully. Whether Charlie was wise to buy a full PA from Maplins is not the issue. He is now tied in to a further purchase from them, and I would advise him to go for a Numark amp, as they are well regarded items. This is why they want £50 from him, as the price difference between this and the Prosound. Yes in a perfect world, all the ones you have suggested are reliable, and excellent value,but I suspect Charlie is very unable to fund another £200 outlay at this point, while Maplins check his old amp. He is also of course looking for speakers, which is why he has asked fpr recommendations, but nobody has made any. Please also note that you have recommended amps of a true 1400w plus output, yet his original is only truly half that , so would not necessaily be very good for his already ailing speakers! I will give my expected answer, which is these as a bare minimum,
http://www.class-d.com/Product.aspx?PRO=532
or these if you are fit, and would like a bit of lkeeway should the amp get bigger.
http://www.class-d.com/Product.aspx?PRO=531
As for the shock issue, I suspect a dodgy extension cable, but at this distance, we're all only guessing.
Good luck Charlie.

[Charlie Brown]

Come on folks, please read the posts carefully. Whether Charlie was wise to buy a full PA from Maplins is not the issue. He is now tied in to a further purchase from them, and I would advise him to go for a Numark amp, as they are well regarded items. This is why they want £50 from him, as the price difference between this and the Prosound. Yes in a perfect world, all the ones you have suggested are reliable, and excellent value,but I suspect Charlie is very unable to fund another £200 outlay at this point, while Maplins check his old amp. He is also of course looking for speakers, which is why he has asked fpr recommendations, but nobody has made any. Please also note that you have recommended amps of a true 1400w plus output, yet his original is only truly half that , so would not necessaily be very good for his already ailing speakers! I will give my expected answer, which is these as a bare minimum,
http://www.class-d.com/Product.aspx?PRO=532
or these if you are fit, and would like a bit of lkeeway should the amp get bigger.
http://www.class-d.com/Product.aspx?PRO=531
As for the shock issue, I suspect a dodgy extension cable, but at this distance, we're all only guessing.
Good luck Charlie.

Thank you very much, I appreciate that, lol, I wasn't sure why they weren’t answering.

Regarding the class D speakers should they run fine with the spec of the Numark Amp?

I could maybe spend a little more if need be, but not 500 quid, on speakers and amp.
200 maybe?
Thank you very much again, Charlie

[Excalibur]

Thank you very much, I appreciate that, lol, I wasn't sure why they weren’t answering.

Because they don't actually read the question before answering! :bang:


Regarding the class D speakers should they run fine with the spec of the Numark Amp?
Yes, or I wouldn''t have suggested them, would I ?;) :D


I could maybe spend a little more if need be, but not 500 quid, on speakers and amp.
200 maybe?
And again, my suggestion is the £50 excess for your amp, and the larger Class-D's are £160 PER PAIR! £50 PLUS £160 = £210, close enough for Rock and Roll! :D This gives you an awesome pair of cabs.


Thank you very much again, Charlie

No probs. :D

[Charlie Brown]

Just had a brain wave!!

Maplins said they can replace the bust speaker,

So for bigger gigs, could I link the two 250 wat speakers to the amp as well? They can go to 500wat per speaker?

Many thanks Charlie,

P.S I live near Mansfield, are you able to pick the speakers up or is it delivery only?

Charlie

[Penfold42]

Maplins said they can replace the bust speaker

IMO.....forget Maplins.....get a total refund.......

Go buy something else.....:)

[Charlie Brown]

IMO.....forget Maplins.....get a total refund.......

Go buy something else.....:)

Hmm but there has to be a fault with the speakers, apart from one is bust,

the other is finel speakers are a grey area, as for all they know, I could have blew it!

Charlie

[Excalibur]

Just had a brain wave!!

Maplins said they can replace the bust speaker,

So for bigger gigs, could I link the two 250 wat speakers to the amp as well? They can go to 500wat per speaker?

Many thanks Charlie,

P.S I live near Mansfield, are you able to pick the speakers up or is it delivery only?

Charlie

Don't bother to link the Maplins cabs in as well, it's not good policy. They will not match the others, and will give very little useful increase. When adding cabs in parallel, it's best to use identical, or near identical ones. By all means go and see them Charlie, collection is no problem, you can hear anything demoed you wish, and it will be an education. :D If you do go, tell Peter there, " Cod Head " recommended them. :D

[Penfold42]

Hmm but there has to be a fault with the speakers, apart from one is bust,

the other is finel speakers are a grey area, as for all they know, I could have blew it!

Charlie

But you didn't did you...;) ...you have taken the manager's advise...and bought (so i belive and in good faith) their product.
The fact the amp is not working correct and malfuntioned is not your problem....of which you have replaced it not only once but twice.......

If i was the manager i would be :Censored:ing it....

....or have i got things wrong here....:confused:

[Excalibur]

But you didn't did you...;) ...you have taken the manager's advise...and bought (so i belive and in good faith) their product.
The fact the amp is not working correct and malfuntioned is not your problem....of which you have replaced it not only once but twice.......

If i was the manager i would be :Censored:ing it....

....or have i got things wrong here....:confused:

I think Charlie has replaced speakers before, not amps. And following your previous post Tony, I'd suggest that though the Amp comes from the holiday camp, a Numark amp, and Class-D cabs counts as something else? ;) :D

[Charlie Brown]

But you didn't did you...;) ...you have taken the manager's advise...and bought (so i belive and in good faith) their product.
The fact the amp is not working correct and malfuntioned is not your problem....of which you have replaced it not only once but twice.......

If i was the manager i would be :Censored:ing it....

....or have i got things wrong here....:confused:

Nope. The manager even told me, Numark are a lot more reliable, and sometimes Pro Sound can be unreliable, helpful lol since we spent 500quid with them!

Right ok, regarding the maplins, but good as backup:) so if they wont refund me, at least swap it for one that works, or demand a refund?

[Penfold42]

I think Charlie has replaced speakers before, not amps.
But did the original amp come from the holiday camp.....????
If so was that the cause of the first speaker to fail......do you see where i'm coming from......faulty good which ever way you look at it....:)


I'd suggest that though the Amp comes from the holiday camp, a Numark amp, and Class-D cabs counts as something else? ;) :D

:agree:......:)

a refund?
It's the only way Charlie.....IMO :)

[Charlie Brown]

P.S will the class D be louder than the Pro Sound? My orginal one..

here is the link: http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?TabID=1&ModuleNo=220554&doy=25m5

Im hopeless, at speakers, apreciate your help guys:)


I think Charlie has replaced speakers before, not amps.

Nope amp as well, one channel was a lot louder than the other:mad:

[Penfold42]

Hi Charlie.....

Forget Maplins....really....waste of time....Class D will serve you fine....:)

[theoloyla]

Most alarming thing here is that people were getting electric shocks. All dj's should use a circuit breaker to prevent this. They cost a tenner from any good DIY or electrical shop. A small price to pay to potentially stop someone being electrocuted. If you are getting shocks from electrical equipment - turn it off! Dont risk killing someone. If you dont understand electricity - dont mess with it.

[djsteve10]

I agree with Theo here,
I would advise you take the equipment back to the store and make sure they organise you a refund and some compensation after you have explained your situation and that several members of the public could of been potentially injured, They won't have a leg to stand on so to speak.

Invest in quality equipment and if it is looked after properly it will last you a long time.

Prosound = Pro Rubbish
Mackie, HK Audio, Turbosound, Warrior Audio, Wharfedalem, Class-D are all good brands you could take alook at but Mackie, Hk & Turbosound might just be out of your budget.

[Tony Scott]

Nope. The manager even told me, Numark are a lot more reliable, and sometimes Pro Sound can be unreliable....

:lol: Even the manager thinks they are crap! :lol:

Charlie you should have no problem getting your dosh back, please, please take everyones advice and give these Pro-Sound things a wide birth.

Numark Amp & Class-D speakers for your application as Pete 'COD HEAD' has suggested, you won't regret it! :approve:

[Charlie Brown]

:lol: Even the manager thinks they are crap! :lol:

Charlie you should have no problem getting your dosh back, please, please take everyones advice and give these Pro-Sound things a wide birth.

Numark Amp & Class-D speakers for your application as Pete 'COD HEAD' has suggested, you won't regret it! :approve:

Hahaha lol no problem,

Been to Maplins today, they are having none if it! My fault with the electricity and the broken speaker they will replace, but not refund. After a lot of confrontation with the other shop (swearing etc over the phone, branch rivalry, commission etc) they will change the amp if I'm to pay the 50 quid difference! Poor service if you ask me!

Getting the amp and class D speakers on Wednesday, so shall report back to you guys!

A special thanks to Excalibur!!

Many thanks

Charlie:)

[DJWilson]

Hahaha lol no problem,

Been to Maplins today, they are having none if it! My fault with the electricity and the broken speaker they will replace, but not refund. After a lot of confrontation with the other shop (swearing etc over the phone, branch rivalry, commission etc) they will change the amp if I'm to pay the 50 quid difference! Poor service if you ask me!

Getting the amp and class D speakers on Wednesday, so shall report back to you guys!

A special thanks to Excalibur!!

Many thanks

Charlie:)


Get the client who expierenced your faults to write the maplins saying there products are putting the public at risk

[Excalibur]

Hahaha lol no problem,

Been to Maplins today, they are having none if it! My fault with the electricity and the broken speaker they will replace, but not refund. After a lot of confrontation with the other shop (swearing etc over the phone, branch rivalry, commission etc) they will change the amp if I'm to pay the 50 quid difference! Poor service if you ask me!

Getting the amp and class D speakers on Wednesday, so shall report back to you guys!

A special thanks to Excalibur!!

Many thanks

Charlie:)

Are you going to Mansfield for a listen, Charlie? I'd recommend it if at all possible, then you can compare different cabs to see what suits your ears, back and wallet.:D

[One Vision]

Hya charlie if it ended up were you had a full refund what kind of budget would you have at your disposal to buy new equipment?

[Tony Scott]

Are you going to Mansfield for a listen, Charlie? I'd recommend it if at all possible.........

Pete, if Charlie listened to the Pro-Sound speakers at Maplins & was happy with them then I'd say he might as well not bother, Class-D's are gonna sound better than those surely?

My old 1960's WEM column's with no horns in would sound better than Pro-Sound! :D

[Excalibur]

Pete, if Charlie listened to the Pro-Sound speakers at Maplins & was happy with them then I'd say he might as well not bother, Class-D's are gonna sound better than those surely?

My old 1960's WEM column's with no horns in would sound better than Pro-Sound! :D

Quite right Tony, I was merely pointing out that Charlie could see for himself which cabs suited him better. I could be wrong, but I wonder if he was given a demo of the Prosound kit before parting with his hard earned? Simply reiterating the value of "try before you buy". Just as a matter of interest I do know some happy Prosound users. :D

[DJWilson]

I didnt test my prosound speakers, when i started and didnt know much I has about £200 and went in store with a few mates and it said 400 on them so I took them and as I found out they where only 200rms and 400max.

O well you learn from your mistakes.

[onyxsound]

Most alarming thing here is that people were getting electric shocks. All dj's should use a circuit breaker to prevent this. They cost a tenner from any good DIY or electrical shop. A small price to pay to potentially stop someone being electrocuted. If you are getting shocks from electrical equipment - turn it off! Dont risk killing someone. If you dont understand electricity - dont mess with it.

Thing is though circuit breakers wont prevent you getting shocks as they're designed to prevent shorts not shocks.....................

When your using long extension leads you should use at least 4mmx3 leads though....With an RCD on the plug end and a good quality double socket on the other end with a polarity/earth checker fitted in 1 permanently..
This will tell you that your lead is safe to use...
From the remaining socket you plug in your normal distribution box with an other RCD with 15a circuit breaker for each of the sockets that you need...


From what your describing that everything was live and giving you and others shocks its points to an earthing problem.
This then caused the amp to allow live mains into the speaker circuit blowing 1................



When ever i do an open air disco I use 6mmx3 cable with industrial 16a plug connector on 1 end and a heavy duty RCD plug on the other end...
My distribution box has a 16a industrial socket on it, and i have 4 different lengths of cables that i can use depending on how far the socket is away from where Ive set up...

Safety is always a no 1 priority when I'm setting up.

You where Lucky that no one got electrocuted on the night.
You could have been charged with attempted murder and having to pay for your negligence ...............

[Excalibur]

I didnt test my prosound speakers, when i started and didnt know much I has about £200 and went in store with a few mates and it said 400 on them so I took them and as I found out they where only 200rms and 400max.

O well you learn from your mistakes.

Yes, beware the advertising ploy of turning a 200w system into a 1000w PMPO one! ;) :D


Thing is though circuit breakers wont prevent you getting shocks as they're designed to prevent shorts not shocks.....................

When your using long extension leads you should use at least 4mmx3 leads though....With an RCD on the plug end and a good quality double socket on the other end with a polarity/earth checker fitted in 1 permanently..
This will tell you that your lead is safe to use...
From the remaining socket you plug in your normal distribution box with an other RCD with 15a circuit breaker for each of the sockets that you need...


From what your describing that everything was live and giving you and others shocks its points to an earthing problem.
This then caused the amp to allow live mains into the speaker circuit blowing 1................



When ever i do an open air disco I use 6mmx3 cable with industrial 16a plug connector on 1 end and a heavy duty RCD plug on the other end...
My distribution box has a 16a industrial socket on it, and i have 4 different lengths of cables that i can use depending on how far the socket is away from where Ive set up...

Safety is always a no 1 priority when I'm setting up.

You where Lucky that no one got electrocuted on the night.
You could have been charged with attempted murder and having to pay for your negligence ...............

Good advice there, but I suspect a less exotic reason for speaker failure. It has happened before to this system. ;)

[DJWilson]

Yes, beware the advertising ploy of turning a 200w system into a 1000w PMPO one! ;) :D




When i'm 18 im hoping to buy a reasonable sized nightclub and buy a mackie sound system thats bigger then...

[Tom]

Size of sound system has nothing to do with it.

Why buy a 10k system if you are only playing pub gigs or small disco's up to 200 odd people???

I use 800 watts total and that is more than loud enough for most of the gigs I do and I still have some head room incase I need to louder. Or just add a sub. Job done.

[Charlie Brown]

Hya charlie if it ended up were you had a full refund what kind of budget would you have at your disposal to buy new equipment?

A full refund, about 550...

[Tony Scott]

Quite right Tony, I was merely pointing out that Charlie could see for himself which cabs suited him better. I could be wrong, but I wonder if he was given a demo of the Prosound kit before parting with his hard earned? Simply reiterating the value of "try before you buy".

:approve:


Just as a matter of interest I do know some happy Prosound users. :D

You been on that Leffe again? :daft: :D :D

[Charlie Brown]

Got the amp swapped and the broken Pro Sound speakers,

and just been to class D!!

Very helpful laid back guys (smoking in the showroom lol!), who gave us a demo on everything, and in the end we decided to go for the http://www.class-d.com/Product.aspx?PRO=531
And I told them Cod fish and they all started laughing!
Sounded great in the shop, no problem and Dad was very impressed, and was thinking of getting some himself!

Come home set up the Numark amp and the class D speakers. The build quality is very poor, right down to the handles, the cab is all twisted and is uneven on the floor!
Plug it all in and they sounded terrible, like diabolical!!
Sounded great in the shop, not at home :mad:
We decided to leave all the settings and play the same song, and boy did the Pro Sound, sound better compared to the class D they sound immense!!
Is there anything we could be doing wrong?
Spent 210 quid, on a even worse system!!!
And now my Numark CDN225 right side won't work, the disc won't eject:mad: :bang: :mad:
It's all going wrong guys!! any idea's.

Many thanks in advance, Charlie

[Excalibur]

Got the amp swapped and the broken Pro Sound speakers,

and just been to class D!!

Very helpful laid back guys (smoking in the showroom lol!), who gave us a demo on everything, and in the end we decided to go for the http://www.class-d.com/Product.aspx?PRO=531
And I told them Cod fish and they all started laughing!
Sounded great in the shop, no problem and Dad was very impressed, and was thinking of getting some himself!

Come home set up the Numark amp and the class D speakers. The build quality is very poor, right down to the handles, the cab is all twisted and is uneven on the floor!
Plug it all in and they sounded terrible, like diabolical!!
Sounded great in the shop, not at home :mad:
We decided to leave all the settings and play the same song, and boy did the Pro Sound, sound better compared to the class D they sound immense!!
Is there anything we could be doing wrong?
Spent 210 quid, on a even worse system!!!
And now my Numark CDN225 right side won't work, the disc won't eject:mad: :bang: :mad:
It's all going wrong guys!! any idea's.

Many thanks in advance, Charlie

Very surprising to find poor assembly Charlie! I would suggest set all the tone controls flat ( No boost, no cut). Then see if you can cut the Bass as much as possible, as I have these exact same cabs, and have to pull all the Bass off, unless I'm trying to show off with a modern dance type track.
If you're still not satisfied with the kit, get back in touch with Class-D , see what they say, and go from there. It's always possible to take your existing kit with you to see what matches it best. What mixer are you using? What tone controls does it have? Is it aN MMX-410? ;) ;) :D :D

I first went to Classs-D to just buy a pair of subs Charlie. Guess what I came away with? Two pairs of the same cabs you have, and a big amp!!!!:D Having heard them in the shop, it was impossible not to get them.

[Charlie Brown]

Very surprising to find poor assembly Charlie! I would suggest set all the tone controls flat ( No boost, no cut). Then see if you can cut the Bass as much as possible, as I have these exact same cabs, and have to pull all the Bass off, unless I'm trying to show off with a modern dance type track.
If you're still not satisfied with the kit, get back in touch with Class-D , see what they say, and go from there. It's always possible to take your existing kit with you to see what matches it best. What mixer are you using? What tone controls does it have? Is it aN MMX-410? ;) ;) :D :D

I first went to Classs-D to just buy a pair of subs Charlie. Guess what I came away with? Two pairs of the same cabs you have, and a big amp!!!!:D Having heard them in the shop, it was impossible not to get them.


Right ok, yep that mixer lol!

I could control the bass etc from my laptop if the Pro Sound mixer dosn't want to know!

Im quite upset, the cab is twisted, and just pluged the Pro Sound in again, and they sound miles better?

Any more advice guys?

Plus with the Numark CD player.

Thanks Charlie

[Charlie Brown]

Guys please, any advice you can give, feel pretty bad, and don't know what to do?

[DJWilson]

Guys please, any advice you can give, feel pretty bad, and don't know what to do?


Right mate, dont panic, where theres a will theres a way.

Whens your next gig?

Do your best to change your faulty items and if no success try and hire the equipment you need.

Good luck.

[Excalibur]

Right ok, yep that mixer lol!

I could control the bass etc from my laptop if the Pro Sound mixer dosn't want to know!

Im quite upset, the cab is twisted, and just pluged the Pro Sound in again, and they sound miles better?

Any more advice guys?

Plus with the Numark CD player.

Thanks Charlie

OK, first chance you get, speak to Class-D . If you've got a duff set of cabs, I'm sure they'll change them or sort you out in some other amenable way. I'd suggest taking your mixer with you if you go back ( and possibly the Prosound cabs as well. Gary will know all about them.;) ;) :D :D :D :D ) , there's no substitute for hearing the system you'll use yourself, rather than something different. As for the CD Player, sorry, not my area of expertise. :(



Right mate, dont panic, where theres a will theres a way.

Whens your next gig?

Do your best to change your faulty items and if no success try and hire the equipment you need.

Good luck.
Quite right.
Sadly, I'm a bit too far away, but there may well be someone nearer who could share expertise or even gear.

[Charlie Brown]

Right mate, dont panic, where theres a will theres a way.

Whens your next gig?

Do your best to change your faulty items and if no success try and hire the equipment you need.

Good luck.

Erm not till the 14th June where I have a kids party and a 60th.

Couldnt take on any work, as I have exams, but I havnt even started revising, because I have been worrying about this blooming thing!!!

We drove for about 30 min to hear some good speakers, excited

brought them home and the PRO SOUND speakers were like amazing compared!!!!

[DJWilson]

Erm not till the 14th June where I have a kids party and a 60th.

Couldnt take on any work, as I have exams, but I havnt even started revising, because I have been worrying about this blooming thing!!!

We drove for about 30 min to hear some good speakers, excited

brought them home and the PRO SOUND speakers were like amazing compared!!!!


The important thing is your EXAMS!!!!

There more important.

Its porbaly just a case of duff speakers whislt in tranist the the store etc.

Theyll understand your issue and should do there best to help you.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

As Peter said, phone Class D and ask them if they can help you set your gear up to make it sound better.

[Charlie Brown]

OK, first chance you get, speak to Class-D . If you've got a duff set of cabs, I'm sure they'll change them or sort you out in some other amenable way. I'd suggest taking your mixer with you if you go back ( and possibly the Prosound cabs as well. Gary will know all about them.;) ;) :D :D :D :D ) , there's no substitute for hearing the system you'll use yourself, rather than something different. As for the CD Player, sorry, not my area of expertise. :(

kk cool, so I give them a ring, tommrow and maybe pop down.

any more surgestions whats wrong? both speakers shouldnt be duff:confused:

[DJWilson]

kk cool, so I give them a ring, tommrow and maybe pop down.

any more surgestions whats wrong? both speakers shouldnt be duff:confused:

If they where in transit together then theres quite a good chance they are.

[Sam]

The important thing is your EXAMS!!!!

There more important.

Its porbaly just a case of duff speakers whislt in tranist the the store etc.

Theyll understand your issue and should do there best to help you.

Key Stage 3 isn't important.. :rolleyes:

And both speakers would not be duff neceasirly if they were transported together.
E.g A retaining screw came out during tansit from one of moving heads... it didn't happen on both.....

[DJWilson]

Key Stage 3 isn't important.. :rolleyes:

And both speakers would not be duff neceasirly if they were transported together.
E.g A retaining screw came out during tansit from one of moving heads... it didn't happen on both.....


Yes, but we dont know how well the speakers were tied down.

Any exam is important as it helps you further on in life.

[Sam]

Yes, but we dont know how well the speakers were tied down.

Any exam is important as it helps you further on in life.

lame argument haha.

And i'm older than you Nathan - i am not patronising but I have been there and done that. And Key Stage 3s do nothing for you. Once you are in year 10 no one even rememebrs what you got. Your GCSE almost blend away apart from needing the minimum 5 gcses etc. And A-Levels will be the thing people actually look at.

But trust me. KS3 means nothing. yes work hard.. but my point is.. that it is not the be all and end all.

if only more guys had your attitude at GCSE level.. the results would go up and up :)

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

*School governor head on*

All key stages are important in their own way Sam.

[Dragonfly]

lame argument haha.

And i'm older than you Nathan - i am not patronising but I have been there and done that. And Key Stage 3s do nothing for you. Once you are in year 10 no one even rememebrs what you got. Your GCSE almost blend away apart from needing the minimum 5 gcses etc. And A-Levels will be the thing people actually look at.

But trust me. KS3 means nothing. yes work hard.. but my point is.. that it is not the be all and end all.

if only more guys had your attitude at GCSE level.. the results would go up and up :)

outrageously snotty middle class attitude i can tell you as a teaching assistant of 6 years many young people don't get anywhere near an a-level and gcses are very important and not in the slightest part unrememberd or just fade away.

apologies for going off topic admin.

[Charlie Brown]

[QUOTE=Sam;237896]Key Stage 3 isn't important.. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE]

No it's just school exams,

but I'm in year 10 and all I hear from Mum, is

we paied all this money, we havn't got to send you to a private school, and your more worried about speakers, than your revisin :mad:

Ugh, lol

ahhhhh

[DJWilson]

[quote=Sam;237896]Key Stage 3 isn't important.. :rolleyes:

[quote]

No it's just school exams,

but I'm in year 10 and all I hear from Mum, is

we paied all this money, we havn't got to send you to a private school, and your more worried about speakers, than your revisin :mad:

Ugh, lol

ahhhhh

Shes correct tho, A pair of speakers isnt going to get your fare in life. But good luck with everything

[Sam]

Sorry.
My main point is that I feel that my 777 at KS3 didn't do a lot for me. But it did teach me how to work hard.

And GCSE seemed to have blended away for me. But of course if you stay at that level.. then they are important.....

Anyway Sorry you took offense to my "snobby middle class" view point. :(

OHH private school.
End of year exams? I remember those!

Then there is quite a lot of pressure on you for those exams if it is anything like my school. Sorry darlings :)

[Charlie Brown]

OHH private school.
End of year exams? I remember those!

Then there is quite a lot of pressure on you for those exams if it is anything like my school. Sorry darlings :)

Hahah lol

no problem mate, no offence taken,

little secret "DJ'n and these bust class D speakers, are more important to me than anything:) "

shusssshhhh, don't tell Mum lol

One last thing guys,

Maplins and the Numark CD player,

shall I take it back and ask for a swap or let them send it off and fix it?

They must think I'm a right fruit cake, lol

Thanks Again, Charlie

[DJWilson]

One last thing guys,

Maplins and the Numark CD player,

shall I take it back and ask for a swap or let them send it off and fix it?

They must think I'm a right fruit cake, lol

Thanks Again, Charlie


Get a new one, less chance of future faults. Your one unlucky DJ ;)

[Tom]

No it's just school exams,

but I'm in year 10...


I don't get it. When I was in year 10 I was 15 going on 16 and your 14???


Anyway.


How about if possible you take what you would to a gig, sound wise only. Setup your gear then change them to the class-d speakers.

Also ask if the speakers are set to flat if running on a EQ. I have seen a few people selling speakers but have the rig running of a EQ to make them sound better than what they are.

Just a thought:confused:

[DJWilson]

I don't get it. When I was in year 10 I was 15 going on 16 and your 14???




It might be like my school, we go up three months earlier then most of England

[Sam]

No.
Tom in Year 10 you are 14 - 15
year 11 you are 15 - 16
year 12 you are 16 - 17
year 13 you are 17 - 18

[Excalibur]

How about if possible you take what you would to a gig, sound wise only. Setup your gear then change them to the class-d speakers.

Also ask if the speakers are set to flat if running on a EQ. I have seen a few people selling speakers but have the rig running of a EQ to make them sound better than what they are.

Just a thought:confused:

Every time they've demoed for me ( or Justin) they show you the flat eq settings.

[Charlie Brown]

Eeeks lost the receipt to the Numark cd player!!!

[DJWilson]

Get a new one, less chance of future faults. Your one unlucky DJ ;)


Eeeks lost the receipt to the Numark cd player!!!


What did I say? :eek:

[Charlie Brown]

Really sorry to keep posting all these random things but,

had another look, and what do you think to these, to run with my Numark amp,

http://www.class-d.com/Product.aspx?PRO=739

or

http://www.class-d.com/Product.aspx?PRO=930

sorry guys just stressin:cool:

[Tony Scott]

No.
Tom in Year 10 you are 14 - 15
year 11 you are 15 - 16
year 12 you are 16 - 17
year 13 you are 17 - 18

Two things.....

....when I was 15/16 I was in year 5 (5th Form), but then I am OLD!

and

If they have changed the form structure why do they still call it '6TH FORM' for the A-Level years???

......explain that please someone! I've asked my uber-clever 18yr old and she doesn't know!!

Charlie, I'm sure somewhere they'll do a Degree or an Advanced Diploma in DJing, run that pass your mum! :D

[Charlie Brown]

[QUOTE=

Charlie, I'm sure somewhere they'll do a Degree or an Advanced Diploma in DJing somewhere, run that pass your mum! :D[/QUOTE]

Hmmm I could try, not sure it would work lol:D

[Sam]

No idea.
They call it college for us... as I am at a dedicated place.
it seems it is better to go to a 6th form.. they think it makes them sound more posh ;) but we know the truth haha.

[Jiggles]

As we're also on the subject of schooling i'm really going to put a spanner in the works and show you how easy Scotlands system is :D

http://www.cbentertainments.co.uk/school.JPG

[Tony Scott]

As were also on the subject of schooling im really going to put a spanner in the works and show you how easy Scotlans system is :D

Scotland Age range England and Wales

Primary 1 5 - 6 Reception or Year 1
Primary 2 6 - 7 Year 1/2
Primary 3 7 - 8 Year 2/3
Primary 4 8 - 9 Year 3/4
Primary 5 9 - 10 Year 4/5
Primary 6 10 - 11 Year 5/6
Primary 7 11 - 12 Year 6/7
Secondary 1 (First Year) 12 - 13 Year 7/8
Secondary 2 (Second Year) 13 - 14 Year 8/9
Secondary 3 (Third Year) 14 - 15 Year 9/10
Secondary 4 (Fourth Year) 15 - 16 Year 10/11
Secondary 5 (Fifth Year) 16 - 17 Year 11/12
Secondary 6 (Sixth Year) 17 - 18 Year 12/13

:daft: :daft: :daft: ..............feeling giddy! :D

It used to be:

Infants - Juniors - BIG SCHOOL! :D

[Jiggles]

see my revised editon of the post :D

[Tony Scott]

see my revised editon of the post :D

Flash GIT! :D

[Sam]

see my revised editon of the post :D

You are in year 11 already mr C?
Shouldn't you be revising? :p

[Jiggles]

You are in year 11 already mr C?
Shouldn't you be revising? :p

Last exam is on the 4th June. So thats all out the way there :D Once all the exams are done im in to the 5th year :D

[Sam]

Last exam is on the 4th June. So thats all out the way there :D Once all the exams are done im in to the 5th year :D

so our year 12 or year 11? :S god this is confusing.
I have my a level exams...

Five more... next being the 3rd June.
Yet I am still going out to get drunk tomorrow haha.

But I am on line for As anyway... and I don't actually need A-Levels :D

[PropellerHeadCase]

As were also on the subject of schooling im really going to put a spanner in the works and show you how easy Scotlans system is

Easy? Yes!

Effective? No!


:p :p :p :p

[Charlie Brown]

Jeeeeees



thats all i can say :D lol

[Jiggles]

Easy? Yes!

Effective? No!


:p :p :p :p

I have DT sydrome. Wireless keyboard:D and some times wireless brain but i wont go into that :D

[Charlie Brown]

Hey guys, just been to cass D:)

Very helpful again there! I spoke to the person who designed Pro Sound, (Garry) and he was great help, whilst giving us a 60 minute lesson on the physics of speakers:bang:

lol

and in the end we went for: http://www.class-d.com/Product.aspx?PRO=739

They sound great, on the floor; plenty of bass, and on stands; plenty of volume, if that makes sense??

Have to say, that the build and sound quality of the Pro Sound, are better believe it or not.

Many thanks guys for all your help, I know have 4 new good working speakers:D

Charlie

[DJWilson]

How much are you out of pocket now? Or you equals?

[Tony Scott]

Hey guys, just been to cass D:)

Very helpful again there! I spoke to the person who designed Pro Sound, (Garry) and he was great help, whilst giving us a 60 minute lesson on the physics of speakers:bang:

lol

and in the end we went for: http://www.class-d.com/Product.aspx?PRO=739

They sound great, on the floor; plenty of bass, and on stands; plenty of volume, if that makes sense??

Have to say, that the build and sound quality of the Pro Sound, are better believe it or not.

Many thanks guys for all your help, I know have 4 new good working speakers:D

Charlie

Glad you got it sorted Charlie........I know it was stressin' you out! :)

The reason they sound bassier on the floor is because the LF (bass) driver 'couples' with the floor, this has the effect of amplifiying and extending those bass frequencies.

Try this:
Find a nice solid corner in a room and place the speaker facing the corner but away from it by about 30cm & then turn up the bass, you'll find that the bass will be around 4 times louder than you'd normally get coz the corner is acting like a huge horn.
Having the speaker on the floor is using a similar principle but not as pronounced. :)

[Charlie Brown]

How much are you out of pocket now? Or you equals?

Erm £320 lol


Glad you got it sorted Charlie........I know it was stressin' you out! :)

The reason they sound bassier on the floor is because the LF (bass) driver 'couples' with the floor, this has the effect of amplifiying and extending those bass frequencies.

Try this:
Find a nice solid corner in a room and place the speaker facing the corner but away from it by about 30cm & then turn up the bass, you'll find that the bass will be around 4 times louder than you'd normally get coz the corner is acting like a huge horn.
Having the speaker on the floor is using a similar principle but not as pronounced. :)


Yep sure, I understand all that:D

Thanks for your help Tony:)

[Excalibur]

Hey guys, just been to cass D:)

Very helpful again there! I spoke to the person who designed Pro Sound, (Garry) and he was great help, whilst giving us a 60 minute lesson on the physics of speakers:bang:

lol

No surprises there then. :approve:



and in the end we went for: http://www.class-d.com/Product.aspx?PRO=739

They sound great, on the floor; plenty of bass, and on stands; plenty of volume, if that makes sense??
Admit it, you're just copying me, aren't you? :confused: :D :D
Yes it does, just keep eating the Shredded Wheat Charlie, They take a lot of lifting onto stands! ;) For another £50, you could have thrown the stands away, and never needed subs. When I bought the 15SP's they ran these up side by side. If I was buying one set of cabs only to do most functions, I'd probably go for these.



Have to say, that the build and sound quality of the Pro Sound, are better believe it or not.

That I find surprising, I've not had first hand experience of Prosound Cabs, but I'd expect the top of the range Class-D to beat it easily.



Many thanks guys for all your help, I know have 4 new good working speakers:D

Charlie

And long may it remain so.

[Charlie Brown]

For another £50, you could have thrown the stands away, and never needed subs. When I bought the 15SP's they ran these up side by side. If I was buying one set of cabs only to do most functions, I'd probably go for these.

Hmm yes, Dad was happy to buy them, but not very practical, too heavy, wouldn't fit them in the Ford Galaxy lol!!



That I find surprising, I've not had first hand experience of Prosound Cabs, but I'd expect the top of the range Class-D to beat it easily.

Hmm nope, you guys probably won't believe me, but even the guy in the shop admitted that the Pro Sound speakers, sounded better...So has several famous band members;) and they know what they are talking about lol:D. In a way I wish I had never gone to class D, and brought a decent system, that will last a few years....

Looking at my books, I haven’t actually made any money lol, just spent over £2,200 and I’m in debt with Dad £600, AHAHAHAH spent more money for a worse system...not happy, may even take them back....
What amp do you use to power your cabs?
Many thanks, Charlie

[Jiggles]

Get your self a pair of Bose 802's :D you couls get a pair for about £350 from ebay :D

[Charlie Brown]

Get your self a pair of Bose 802's :D you couls get a pair for about £350 from ebay :D

Yeh but your's were broke...

What watts are they?

[Jiggles]

erm about 250W i think but are good they can fill a decent sized hall. Mines were broke thanks to a MR Whitehouse :D

[Charlie Brown]

erm about 250W i think but are good they can fill a decent sized hall. Mines were broke thanks to a MR Whitehouse :D

Hahaha lol,

how did you break them, and I know this may seem like 20 questions, but what do you use know..instead of the bose..

Many thanks :D

[Jiggles]

I fixed them :lol: They were broken when i got them and repaired them.

[Shaun]

how did you break them,

Callum and equipment are a dangerous combination. He's a walking fire hazzard. http://totalnfs.net/Remko/smilies/AAAssjani.gif


:)

[Charlie Brown]

Callum and equipment are a dangerous combination. He's a walking fire hazzard. http://totalnfs.net/Remko/smilies/AAAssjani.gif


:)

Haha,

true:D

[Penfold42]

Callum and equipment are a dangerous combination. He's a walking fire hazzard. http://totalnfs.net/Remko/smilies/AAAssjani.gif


:)

:lol:....good smilie.....:D

[Jiggles]

:callumburns: