sound limiter Venue.

[gaza]

Hi people.
Has anyone done a gig at The Cavendish, in eastcote, middlesex.



Because they have a sound limiter,:eek: and i just wondered how sensative this one is.

Dont you just hate them.

[yourdj]

Got a gig in a barn with 80 db limit next month. How loud is this?

i know the max for working in is 180.

I dont play loud so should not be a problem.

I need one of those noise meters.

[gaza]

Hi people.
Has anyone done a gig at The Cavendish, in eastcote, middlesex.



Because they have a sound limiter,:eek: and i just wondered how sensative this one is.

Dont you just hate them.

this is the Cavendish.

http://www.lido.co.uk/thecavendish.html

Thanks

[CRAZY K]

this is the Cavendish.

http://www.lido.co.uk/thecavendish.html

Thanks

You could always ring Sibbo discos and ask him--he must play there a lot

Im sure he wouldnt mind--:rolleyes:

Im glad you have flagged this up--

Makes mental note not to quote on venue:eek:

CRAZY K

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

i know the max for working in is 180.



Maximum for working? And 180 what? Certainly can't be decibels as your ears would be on melt down! http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/loudness.html

85db or above and the venue has to supply their staff with ear protection.

[DJWilson]

At 160db your ears would bleed and pop!

[rob1963]

Maximum for working? And 180 what? Certainly can't be decibels as your ears would be on melt down! http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/loudness.html

85db or above and the venue has to supply their staff with ear protection.

According to that site, normal conversation at 3-5 feet is 60-70db

:eek: :eek: :eek:

[Richard Veal]

Isn't 85 the same as a hair dryer or something silly.

[Andy Westcott]

Don't forget to factor in distance; A dB rating is meaningless on its own.

The setting of 80dB is presumably the maximum SPL at the microphone, but if the disco is the other end of the room you will be able to offer slightly higher sound levels near the speakers, so all may not be lost.

[rob1963]

Don't forget to factor in distance; A dB rating is meaningless on its own.

The setting of 80dB is presumably the maximum SPL at the microphone, but if the disco is the other end of the room you will be able to offer slightly higher sound levels near the speakers, so all may not be lost.

Good point.

I've worked at venues where the sound limiter's mic is on the ceiling right above my speakers, and others where is is right at the opposit end of the room!

[discomobiledj]

I had a disco for a bunch of 12 year old girls and the jobsworth came in moaning and taking a reading from BEHIND the speaker!

85db is rediculously quiet.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

85db is rediculously quiet.

Compared to what and why are you quoting that figure?

[discomobiledj]

Got a gig in a barn with 80 db limit next month. How loud is this?




85db or above and the venue has to supply their staff with ear protection.


Isn't 85 the same as a hair dryer or something silly.


Compared to what and why are you quoting that figure?

Figure from the other posts.

Should have said, in my opinion 85db is quiet

[yourdj]

Maximum for working? And 180 what? Certainly can't be decibels as your ears would be on melt down! http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/loudness.html

85db or above and the venue has to supply their staff with ear protection.

Dont know where i got that from :confused: Would a couple of subs and tops at moderate volume (what with the people noise too) be ok?

Did not see a meter anywhere, but apparently it cuts off the system

I found this really funny as it took me an hour driving down VERY narrow lanes in the middle of bloody knowhere - not sure how my trailer will get there:

http://www.multimap.com/maps/?hloc=GB|Berrydown%20Barn,%20Farley#map=51.04641,-1.42873|15|32&loc=GB:51.04639:-1.42877:16|SO51 0QN|SO51 0QN

I CANT SEE A SINGLE HOUSE FOR ABOUT 1 MILE.

edit: apart from farms

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

80db does sound horrendously low

The last time I worked in a venue with a limiter, it was my voice that set the limiter off rather than anything else! Must react to certain frequencies.

What I hate aabout them is that if people start clapping or singing etc, it can set them off and you have no control over it.

[Javlingames]

I would advise you to leave your subs at home. Bass is the first thing that can set it off. I had a situation a while back where the hotel had a limiter which was set incorrectly, literelly people clapping and singing set this thing off, it happened loads, every other 5 minutes. In the end on the mic I explained to the audience about the sound limiter because it made me look a dipstick. Hotel manager stormed over to me and told me not to blame the sound limiter, the audience didnt want to know about the sound limiter and they were there to enjoy themselves and that i was unprofessional for drawing their attention to it. No win situatiuon..........

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I would advise you to leave your subs at home. Bass is the first thing that can set it off.

I had a completely different experience. I wasn't using subs and decided to use one and it made no difference to the limiter. It was my voice that set it off. I think Diamondgeezer was with me at the time.

[Javlingames]

Were you using the sub at the time of speaking when the limiter was set off?

[CRAZY K]

I had a completely different experience. I wasn't using subs and decided to use one and it made no difference to the limiter. It was my voice that set it off. I think Diamondgeezer was with me at the time.

I would agree with that--vocals are usually the problem and audience clapping and cheering.

As I have said many times before and to repeat what has been said on this thread--venues that have these restrictions are cheating the customers unless they clearly state the effect it will have on music levels and loss of audience participation and general enjoyment--how can you possibly enjoy an event--performer or audience if the .........g music keeps cutting out.

Sounds like one for the Lawyers--if anyone could be bothered:rolleyes:

I noticed this on the venue website--

the xxxxxxxxx provides all the flexibility you need for your individual requirements.

Yeah right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CRAZY K

[Vectis]

eastcote, middlesex.


Where?? :confused:

[CRAZY K]

Where?? :confused:

Its North of "THE SMOKE" in suburbia

(London)

CRAZY K

[Vectis]

Its North of "THE SMOKE" in suburbia

(London)

CRAZY K


Blimey - north of Londinium!! That's positively arctic!

[sleah]

Hotel manager stormed over to me and told me not to blame the sound limiter, the audience didnt want to know about the sound limiter and they were there to enjoy themselves and that i was unprofessional for drawing their attention to it. No win situatiuon..........

:evelgrin: I would have appologised to the audience for the technical issues, i.e. sound cutting out and explained it was nothing to do with the disco but a technical fault with the venue and if anyone wishes to comment, please would they see the hotel manager, as it is his responsibilty:evelgrin:

[Vectis]

If I'm at a sound-limited venue I ALWAYS make an announcement at least at the start of the evening (if not several times) but make it sound a bit less like the venue's fault and more like the council's :p

They're not there so can't take the huff!

(unless it's the Xmas do for the local council, in which case :zip: )

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Were you using the sub at the time of speaking when the limiter was set off?

Even if it was it wouldn't make much difference unless I had a voice like Barry White....;)

[Excalibur]

Were you using the sub at the time of speaking when the limiter was set off?


Even if it was it wouldn't make much difference unless I had a voice like Barry White....;)

And how do we know you haven't? :confused: :confused: :confused:


Were you using the sub at the time of speaking when the limiter was set off?

Were you using the PA when the limiter was set off? :sofa: :sofa: :sofa:

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

And how do we know you haven't? :confused: :confused: :confused:


That will be CB Entertainments...;)

[Javlingames]

Solitaire,

please answer the question.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Solitaire,

please answer the question.

I wasn't to begin with, but the noise limiter level wasn't moving and as it was an 18th I was doing, I decided to bring the sub in. When I was playing music through the sub and tops, there was no problem at all. As previously posted it appaeared that whenever I spoke it set the liimiter off.

[Javlingames]

Microphones are normally louder than music. Im sure if you look at the output meters on your mixer whilst playing music they will be at say zero db, but when you talk or project your voice into the mic the db meters increase.

[gaza]

this is the Cavendish.

http://www.lido.co.uk/thecavendish.html

Thanks


I have just talked with the client, and i informed him that there is a sound limiter in the venue.
It turns out that there is only about 50 people going to the Wedding, so this should be in my favour.:rolleyes:

[HTG Events]

Slight variation on the sound limiter theme - I contacted the venue for a wedding I'm doing in July a few weeks ago and was told by the wedding co-ordinator there was a sound limiter. I mentioned this to the bride and the potential problems this could lead to - she contacted me a few days ago and said there was a way round it, not to worry etc and asked me to contact the venue again.

I rang the venue, the co-ordinator wasn't there but they've now sent me a form to fill in and return, most of it pretty standard, PAT tested, no smoke, finish by 1am etc...here's the kicker 'Noise throughout the room must be kept below 75dBA at all times' :eek:

[CRAZY K]

I have just talked with the client, and i informed him that there is a sound limiter in the venue.
It turns out that there is only about 50 people going to the Wedding, so this should be in my favour.:rolleyes:

Why is that?

I did a Barn Dance in a small hall with 50 people--the limiter kicked in every few mnutes--especially when the audience were clapping:rolleyes:

Your in trouble if its set at a low level and people enjoy themselves.:eek:

CRAZY K

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

'Noise throughout the room must be kept below 75dBA at all times' :eek:

Soft classical music for you then! http://home.new.rr.com/trumpetb/audio/dBexamp.html:eek:

[HTG Events]

Soft classical music for you then! [/url]

Phew - that's ok then - fits perfectly with the bride's liking for Faithless, Prodigy, Fratellis...;)

[gaza]

Why is that?

I did a Barn Dance in a small hall with 50 people--the limiter kicked in every few mnutes--especially when the audience were clapping:rolleyes:

Your in trouble if its set at a low level and people enjoy themselves.:eek:

CRAZY K


SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, Talk quietly:eek:

[HTG Events]

Hmmm...development of sorts - some highlights of an msn exchange with the bride:-

B: I'm on to him now

HTG: ahh

B: got the :Censored: ...the T & C are :Censored:

B: he doesnt even know what 75db sounds like

B: :Censored:

HTG: indeed

B: its sorted anyway

HTG: so i don't need to sign this form saying they can have my 1st born?

B: nope - he said they have a limiter in the room but its only gone off 5 times in the whole of last year...its at the furthers end away from the DJ box



...so kind of back to square one but at least the client is on side:rolleyes:

[CRAZY K]

Hmmm...development of sorts - some highlights of an msn exchange with the bride:-

B: I'm on to him now

HTG: ahh

B: got the :Censored: ...the T & C are :Censored:

B: he doesnt even know what 75db sounds like

B: :Censored:

HTG: indeed

B: its sorted anyway

HTG: so i don't need to sign this form saying they can have my 1st born?

B: nope - he said they have a limiter in the room but its only gone off 5 times in the whole of last year...its at the furthers end away from the DJ box



...so kind of back to square one but at least the client is on side:rolleyes:

First Dance would be a bad time for Number 6 :eek: :eek: :eek:

CRAZY K

[gaza]

Hi people.
Has anyone done a gig at The Cavendish, in eastcote, middlesex.



Because they have a sound limiter,:eek: and i just wondered how sensative this one is.

Dont you just hate them.


Just a quick update on this venue.
We did the Wedding at this place last night.
The sound limiter was no problem, the function room is small though, but there was only about 50 guests, i cant imagine how small the dance area would be if there were a larger wedding going on.:eek: