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501damian501
16-06-2008, 02:36 PM
Hello, how would i go about creating a solid loop hole free terms and conditions, many thanks damian

JAMdisco
16-06-2008, 02:41 PM
Easy, do what I did and steal someone elses :D :D :D

No seriously, have a look at other websites, and copy and paste them all into a word document, then go through them and delete duplicate terms. Finally, try and re-word them to make it more 'individual' and then get someone to proof read it for you.

Hope this helps, and by all means, check out mine. :D

Ace DJ
16-06-2008, 02:55 PM
Do bear in mind Terms and Conditions are copyright protected. Ask before you do anything as stupid as copying any structure phrase or line. Just use it for ideas
Ace

Penfold42
16-06-2008, 03:10 PM
No seriously, have a look at other websites, and copy and paste them all into a word document, then go through them and delete duplicate terms. Finally, try and re-word them to make it more 'individual' and then get someone to proof read it for you.

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Hello, how would i go about creating a solid loop hole free terms and conditions, many thanks damian

PM sent.......:)
I've had no problems yet.....:)

chelsea485
16-06-2008, 03:33 PM
I too need the same advice if at all possible please ?

Thank you

theoloyla
16-06-2008, 03:35 PM
Standard form of disco contract as approved by Office Of Fair Trading and tested and used for 30 years available to buy in self carbonated triplicate pads from SEDA.

JAMdisco
16-06-2008, 03:48 PM
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:


PM sent.......:)
I've had no problems yet.....:)

Why all the "eeks", surely this is ok just to get ideas then re-word them to your own needs?

Penfold42
16-06-2008, 03:57 PM
Why all the "eeks", surely this is ok just to get ideas then re-word them to your own needs?

Copy and paste off a web page....the owner knows who's been in and done what.....something i would advise not to do......as it's tempting to leave and forget....causing all sorts of problems.

rob1963
16-06-2008, 05:27 PM
Easy, do what I did and steal someone elses :D :D :D

:Laugh:

splash
16-06-2008, 06:58 PM
Do you get anyone (i.e lawyer) to check over the T&Cs to make sure?

501damian501
16-06-2008, 08:58 PM
i wouldnt know, i have been looking round different websites and all their terms and conditions, just rather the same but different wording lol your all at it arnt you.... thanks damian

nigelwright7557
16-06-2008, 10:42 PM
i wouldnt know, i have been looking round different websites and all their terms and conditions, just rather the same but different wording lol your all at it arnt you.... thanks damian

Terms and conditions is a double edged sword.
It might cover your disco, but at the same time it might put off prospective customers if they think you are being one sided.

theoloyla
16-06-2008, 10:45 PM
Terms and conditions is a double edged sword.
It might cover your disco, but at the same time it might put off prospective customers if they think you are being one sided.
Thats why it is best to go with the SEDA model which is approved by the Office Of Fair Trading.

Solitaire Events Ltd
16-06-2008, 10:46 PM
Terms and conditions is a double edged sword.
It might cover your disco, but at the same time it might put off prospective customers if they think you are being one sided.

I don't think you can have 'one sided' t&cs? I thought they had to be fair to protect both parties?

rob1963
16-06-2008, 10:52 PM
Terms and conditions is a double edged sword.
It might cover your disco, but at the same time it might put off prospective customers if they think you are being one sided.


I don't think you can have 'one sided' t&cs? I thought they had to be fair to protect both parties?

Exactly what I was thinking.

If your terms & conditions are one sided in the disco's favour, then they WILL put off prospective clients, in which case they need to be scrapped completely & replaced.

I tried very hard to make sure my t&c protect myself and the client equally.

Nobody has moaned about them yet, so I think I got it about right.

:)

DazzyD
17-06-2008, 07:17 AM
Terms and conditions is a double edged sword.
It might cover your disco, but at the same time it might put off prospective customers if they think you are being one sided.

When I put together my T & Cs, I based them on the very principle of being advantageous to both parties. In fact, reading through them, I think the client gets the better side of the deal!

Jaggiebunnett
17-06-2008, 04:26 PM
Terms and conditions is a double edged sword.
It might cover your disco, but at the same time it might put off prospective customers if they think you are being one sided.
Your right Nigel, tried the contract T&C thing and it seemed to put people off and put an unfriendly face on my service.
best to tread carefully on this one since most of us can't afford a real administrator to deal just with this kinda fluff. ;)

theoloyla
17-06-2008, 04:33 PM
Your right Nigel, tried the contract T&C thing and it seemed to put people off and put an unfriendly face on my service.
best to tread carefully on this one since most of us can't afford a real administrator to deal just with this kinda fluff. ;)
You cannot be serious.

soundtracker
17-06-2008, 04:34 PM
Your right Nigel, tried the contract T&C thing and it seemed to put people off and put an unfriendly face on my service.
best to tread carefully on this one since most of us can't afford a real administrator to deal just with this kinda fluff. ;)

Sorry I just don't see that at all - I've never had anyone cancel a booking after receiving my T & Cs - I've actually had very few questions about them, probably because most people can see that they are angled towards protecting them. I don't really see how you can offer a professional service without them!

rob1963
17-06-2008, 04:34 PM
You cannot be serious.

I was thinking the same thing.

DazzyD
17-06-2008, 04:47 PM
Sorry I just don't see that at all - I've never had anyone cancel a booking after receiving my T & Cs - I've actually had very few questions about them, probably because most people can see that they are angled towards protecting them. I don't really see how you can offer a professional service without them!

:agree:

rob1963
17-06-2008, 04:53 PM
Sorry I just don't see that at all - I've never had anyone cancel a booking after receiving my T & Cs - I've actually had very few questions about them, probably because most people can see that they are angled towards protecting them. I don't really see how you can offer a professional service without them!

Agreed.

For the four years I've been doing this full time, nobody has even MENTIONED my terms & conditions...despite the fact that they're on my website and the fact that each client also receives a paper copy with the booking form.

Andy Westcott
17-06-2008, 07:07 PM
What's this about the T&Cs being in the client's favour?
I understand about the need for them to be fair, but the point is, the client is booking you, and therefore needs to know the conditions under which you are going to operate.

The T&C for any other company, be it a bank, credit company, double glazing etc will have T&C dictating the conditions under which they trade, not the client's.

I've never had anyone question my T&C, so presumably they are OK. (Or they don't read them.)

Waddya reckon?

501damian501
17-06-2008, 08:00 PM
i dont think people read them too, or why else would they question you about having their money back or you requesting full balance within x amount of days.

Shaun
17-06-2008, 08:03 PM
What's this about the T&Cs being in the client's favour?
I understand about the need for them to be fair, but the point is, the client is booking you, and therefore needs to know the conditions under which you are going to operate.

The T&C for any other company, be it a bank, credit company, double glazing etc will have T&C dictating the conditions under which they trade, not the client's.

I've never had anyone question my T&C, so presumably they are OK. (Or they don't read them.)

Waddya reckon?

I couldn't agree more!

Most of the posts in this topic mention contracts that seem to be equally protect the client as well us the company.

I'll go against the grain and state that my contract protects my business more than it does the client. It states that I'll be I'll be there when I say I will, and also states what I'll do to make sure the contract is fulfilled...but for the most part it's there to protect my business interests. I don't apologise for that.

In all the years I've done business I've never had so much as a single person query my contract or anything in it. It also hasn't affected in future business from past clients.

The upper part of my booking form states the times, venues, price etc that are agreed upon, this is my end of the bargain to provide services as stated. However, the vast majority of the T&C's are there to protect me and my business.