Who needs bass bins!

[yourdj]

I own two Gemini GX 450's. Not the best speaker i know :p

I have a passive Tannoy system with a waves maxbass on the amp rack. Whilst sorting my stuff out today i thought i would add the maxx bass on the gemini's.

http://www.waves.com/objects/Images/Headers/maxxbass107_header2.jpg

Wow, the different was amazing! :eek:

The room was about 70 m square with high ceilings and about 150 people.

I put on the grease megamix and went for a :Censored:. On walking around the back of the dance floor the sound was very good in comparison to what was coming out of the speakers before i added the hardware.

I had cut out the mid a bit on the mixer and put the high up. on the maxx bass itself i had the frequency @ 50% and the intensity between 20% and 70% depending on the track. I had a rare opportunity (it was a wedding) to play a 90's dance set towards the end which really tested it.

I think it cost me about £199 a few years ago, but well worth the money.

[Shakermaker Promotions]

Not being funny but....well, that sounds a bit kind of up your own....you know what. Apologies if I am wrong but just the way I read it.

[yourdj]

Not being funny but....well, that sounds a bit kind of up your own....you know what. Apologies if I am wrong but just the way I read it.

Not at all Im just really happy that i do not have to buy another active bass bin :D How did you read it that way (just reread it)?

Just sharing information as i get allot from this site and like to put some back.

You have met me so you know my character.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I wouldn't use anything like that on speakers for fear of blowing something up.

And what's the saying? "You can't polish a turd" :sj:

[theoloyla]

I still love my Deltec Minibins. Best of both worlds. Passive system with very good bass response.

[Dragonfly]

I wouldn't use anything like that on speakers for fear of blowing something up.

And what's the saying? "You can't polish a turd" :sj:

surely you could if you varnished it first? :D :D :D

[yourdj]

I wouldn't use anything like that on speakers for fear of blowing something up.

And what's the saying? "You can't polish a turd" :sj:

I not an expert but it think it does not add anything to the bass it just filters out all the crap. For the cost of the speakers, i don't think it will increase the life of the cones but i definitely do not think it will blow them up. It is not the same a running a compressor through top/mid type speakers.

The volume is a bit lower and the bass is not thumping, just very clear. It is designed for bars and home studios with small speakers (I think). There is not alot of info on it.

Sound on sound did a good write up years ago but i cant find it.

edit: here it is mine is the one under maxx factor section:

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Feb03/articles/wavesMaxxbass.asp

pros
Increases the perception of bass while actually reducing the amount of very low-frequency energy present in a mix. Easy to install and operate. Many live sound and installation applications as well as studio use.

cons
Excessive use with small speakers can result in a boxy or unfocused bass end.

summary
Maxxbass is at once simple and ingenious, and uses the power of psychoacoustics to do its work. Used with care, the process is very effective on bass tracks as well as in live and home theatre sound systems.

[CRAZY K]

I not an expert but it think it does not add anything to the bass it just filters out all the crap. For the cost of the speakers, i don't think it will increase the life of the cones but i definitely do not think it will blow them up. It is not the same a running a compressor through top/mid type speakers.

The volume is a bit lower and the bass is not thumping, just very clear. It is designed for bars and home studios with small speakers (I think). There is not alot of info on it.

Sound on sound did a good write up years ago but i cant find it.

edit: here it is mine is the one under maxx factor section:

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Feb03/articles/wavesMaxxbass.asp

pros
Increases the perception of bass while actually reducing the amount of very low-frequency energy present in a mix. Easy to install and operate. Many live sound and installation applications as well as studio use.

cons
Excessive use with small speakers can result in a boxy or unfocused bass end.

summary
Maxxbass is at once simple and ingenious, and uses the power of psychoacoustics to do its work. Used with care, the process is very effective on bass tracks as well as in live and home theatre sound systems.

I would say your reducing the life of the speakers--whats the thing speakers cant cope with after too much volume---loads of bass:eek: :eek::eek:

If your pushing bass through a sub specifically designed for those frequencies
you must have less wear--even if only because you are using an extra one or two speakers to carry the load and drive each speaker less.

Im not saying you cant use tops to good effect with bass--you can --but your introducing a superbass effect which could be damaging to ordinary speakers and is not part of a balanced set up designed by the manufacturers
of the speakers/ amp/mixer. Like Mackie, RCF, JBL, Peavey etc.

Whatever the claims made I think excessive use will not only produce boxy rattly bass--it will destroy the speakers before a reasonable life span.

If you play at low volume fine---so which DJ does that;)

CRAZY K

[Tony Scott]

Who needs bass bins!



...........ME!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D

[yourdj]

I would say your reducing the life of the speakers--whats the thing speakers cant cope with after too much volume---loads of bass:eek: :eek::eek:

If your pushing bass through a sub specifically designed for those frequencies
you must have less wear--even if only because you are using an extra one or two speakers to carry the load and drive each speaker less.

Im not saying you cant use tops to good effect with bass--you can --but your introducing a superbass effect which could be damaging to ordinary speakers and is not part of a balanced set up designed by the manufacturers
of the speakers/ amp/mixer. Like Mackie, RCF, JBL, Peavey etc.

Whatever the claims made I think excessive use will not only produce boxy rattly bass--it will destroy the speakers before a reasonable life span.

If you play at low volume fine---so which DJ does that;)

CRAZY K

Your right :) . I don't generally play out loud. i only ever have the speakers at half volume. If a venue needs more then i will use subs.


Who needs bass bins!



...........ME!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D

NICE :D .

[Waves customer service]

Hi all,

Barak from Waves here. We noticed that many people visit our website from this forum, and we’d like to clarify a couple of items regarding Waves BCL, and related hardware:

1. MaxxBass cannot hurt your system at all. It is exactly the opposite of past technologies which create subharmonics and blow up the system. In fact, the BCL is used to save system energy in the largest of venues.

2. The BCL hardware unit is used extensively in high-end live applications like Cirque duSoleil, Metallica, Gwen Stefani, tv’s American Idol, Lincoln Center, Robbie Williams, and many other shows.

3. We have also released the 107 in a more affordable package, exactly for your type of market—clubs, discos, and smaller venues.

4. We are ready to loan a unit to test to anyone who is interested. If you do not like it, you can return it in 14 days at no cost.

[Penfold42]

Hello please take a minute to read this....

http://www.mobilediscodirectory.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=11711

Thanks. :)

May i aslo ask you to read about advertising......:)

[CRAZY K]

Hello please take a minute to read this....

http://www.mobilediscodirectory.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=11711

Thanks. :)

May i aslo ask you to read about advertising......:)

I dont doubt its an excellent product but Metallica and Robbie Williams dont play low volume through a couple of small 15 inch speakers to 100 people on average. They have Bass Bins:rolleyes:

CRAZY K

[yourdj]

Hi all,

Barak from Waves here. We noticed that many people visit our website from this forum.

Do i get a discount on any goods for bigging you up ;)

[CRAZY K]

Do i get a discount on any goods for bigging you up ;)

Nah, potentially blown speakers though?

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

CRAZY K

[Boogie Boy]

Erm, whilst I agree that it could be a recipe for blown speakers, do any of you realise that you can Eq something just as effectively by removal of the right frequencies?

By listening to the demo on their website, one's first reaction is that some sub bass is added. However, one could acheive a similar sounding result by completely flattening the mid frequencies and maybe rolling off the top end, thus 'tricking' the ear that something else had, in fact, been done.

It would be interesting to see what a spectral analysis of the 'before' and 'after' sound looks like.

[Waves customer service]

By listening to the demo on their website, one's first reaction is that some sub bass is added. .


Here’s how it works: MaxxBass separates the low bass frequencies which can’t be reproduced by the speaker. The low frequencies are analyzed to create a complex set of harmonics which can be reproduced by the speaker.

Just adding bass or sub bass with EQ could result in damaging your speakers.

MaxxBass requires absolutely no increase in speaker size or amplifier power.

[welby]

Hi, I must be missing something? at a whopping £199 you could put that dosh towards a good Active Bass Bin.

[yourdj]

It would be interesting to see what a spectral analysis of the 'before' and 'after' sound looks like.

I always cut out the mid and put the bass/top up a bit on the mixer which i feel is a much richer sound, but the wavves device is much better. depends if your using an equalizer though?

We can test it next week in the club if you want? all we need to to is use the onboard bypass button and compare the difference. Have you got any frequency recording devices?

I guarantee you will be impressed!

Results coming (BB is an audio genius :D )


Here’s how it works: MaxxBass separates the low bass frequencies which can’t be reproduced by the speaker. The low frequencies are analyzed to create a complex set of harmonics which can be reproduced by the speaker.

Just adding bass or sub bass with EQ could result in damaging your speakers.

MaxxBass requires absolutely no increase in speaker size or amplifier power.

:agree:

[BrightLights]

Why are people being negative about this thing without having heard it or even bothering to understand the science behind it?

I think it sounds interesting. For instance, at smaller gigs it might mean the difference between needing a sub or not needing a sub. Could be useful...

[Andy Westcott]

Quote:
"The low frequencies are analyzed to create a complex set of harmonics which can be reproduced by the speaker."

He's right. (And would be, of course!)

These units generally generate 2nd harmonic distortion, supplementing that almost inaudible (on small speakers) 35Hz note with some strong 70Hz content, for example, which they can reproduce well.

Now - I'm not knocking the unit mentioned here, as it obviously performs a useful service, but once you've experienced fundamental 35Hz at good efficiency, you won't settle for such processing, you'll want the real thing, despite the team of sherpas you may need to roadie for you!

[BrightLights]

Quote:
"The low frequencies are analyzed to create a complex set of harmonics which can be reproduced by the speaker."

He's right. (And would be, of course!)

These units generally generate 2nd harmonic distortion, supplementing that almost inaudible (on small speakers) 35Hz note with some strong 70Hz content, for example, which they can reproduce well.

Now - I'm not knocking the unit mentioned here, as it obviously performs a useful service, but once you've experienced fundamental 35Hz at good efficiency, you won't settle for such processing, you'll want the real thing, despite the team of sherpas you may need to roadie for you!

Not disagreeing with your point, but there's more to it than shifting the bass notes up an octave (i.e. doubling the frequency). It uses a psychoacoustic principle called "missing fundamental", which uses a set of harmonics that trick the ear/brain into thinking the lower fundamental freqency must be there, even if it isn't.

There's nothing new about it, either - pipe organs have been using the same technique for years as a way of avoiding the need for ridiculously large pipes for the really low notes.

[Waves customer service]

Why are people being negative about this thing without having heard it or even bothering to understand the science behind it?

I think it sounds interesting. For instance, at smaller gigs it might mean the difference between needing a sub or not needing a sub. Could be useful...

Exactly.

If anyone is interested in a test drive, feel free to contact me at [email protected]

[One Vision]

I wouldn't use anything like that on speakers for fear of blowing something up.

And what's the saying? "You can't polish a turd" :sj:

:clap: :Laugh: :Laugh: :Laugh: :Laugh:

[DJS]

Who needs bass bins!



...........ME!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D

What speakers are they?
They remind me of the rather 'pricey' Funktion One's, or is that just the colour?:confused:

S.

[Andy Westcott]

Quote:
"It uses a psychoacoustic principle called "missing fundamental"

A little more complex than I was suggesting then. Yes - this principle (in layman's terms) 'dithers' higher harmonics at the fundamental frequency - very interesting to hear it in action, and from the sound of it Pendulum use a similar process in 'Slam' to suggest a far lower frequency than is actually there.

The only problem is that the foundations don't shake quite the way I'd like them to...

[yourdj]

Quote:
"It uses a psychoacoustic principle called "missing fundamental"

The only problem is that the foundations don't shake quite the way I'd like them to...

That is a good thing when doing a wedding as i like the lower end without the roll if you know what i mean (especially with sound limiters) :D

[nigelwright7557]

Not being funny but....well, that sounds a bit kind of up your own....you know what. Apologies if I am wrong but just the way I read it.

Here we go, here we go, here we go !

[DK Karaoke]

I wouldn't use anything like that on speakers for fear of blowing something up.

And what's the saying? "You can't polish a turd" :sj:

Hey Darren, thats a good quote. Why dont we start a thread on funny quotes, related to dj'ing, just a thought