Possible Inserts on Denon x900 mixer

[Tom]

I have been sorting out my rack case to fit in my EQ.

I have been thinking. Would it be possible to use the Effects channel and use these as inserts???

If you don't know what inserts are, it would go something like this.

You would plug your speakers in the main out on the mixer but instead of the sound going straight to the speakers the sound is divereted through the inserts, in and back out of the piece of equipment (ie, EQ) then back to the main out and through the speakers in a split second, if I am correct.


Would this be possible at all???

[djsteve10]

I have been sorting out my rack case to fit in my EQ.

I have been thinking. Would it be possible to use the Effects channel and use these as inserts???

If you don't know what inserts are, it would go something like this.

You would plug your speakers in the main out on the mixer but instead of the sound going straight to the speakers the sound is divereted through the inserts, in and back out of the piece of equipment (ie, EQ) then back to the main out and through the speakers in a split second, if I am correct.


Would this be possible at all???

In my experience I have always gone out the main output on my mixer and then into the EQ inputs and then the EQ outs go into the amp so the sound that has been Equalised goes straight to the amp and is outputted. Don't see why you want to put it back into the mixer?

[Tom]

Hey Steve,

With the way the EQ is mounted in the box, its going to be very hard to try and plug the all the cables in. I don't really want to have female to male leads connecting up. Just lookts messy tbh.

Forgot t mention that the effects channel and be routed to any output so It can be sent to the master output also. :D

[A1DL]

You would plug your speakers in the main out on the mixer

It's oh so quiet, so still.... :)

[djsteve10]

I see what you mean about it looking messy Tom but sometimes looks are not everything especially when there is only you who is going to see the inside of the case.

[Tom]

It's oh so quiet, so still.... :)

I'm not sure what you mean but as I have active speakers then that's what I would do. :)


I see what you mean about it looking messy Tom but sometimes looks are not everything especially when there is only you who is going to see the inside of the case.

I see what your saying Steve. I still think there is to much cable going inside the box.


Well I gave it a go and it works a treat. Just has to put the effects from dry to wet and hey presto. Now I will be able to get a better sound out of my speakers at gigs (mostly the sub as I know it can perform better than what it does now). :D:D:D

[nigelwright7557]

Well I gave it a go and it works a treat. Just has to put the effects from dry to wet and hey presto. Now I will be able to get a better sound out of my speakers at gigs (mostly the sub as I know it can perform better than what it does now). :D:D:D

I find a simple bass/treble control on the mixer works fine.

I am not quite sure why anyone would want equalisation.
e.g. putting lift/drop at a certain frequency is gonna make it sound pretty odd. And if that works for the current track the next track could need very different equalisation.

Every bit of electronics in the signal path adds noise/distortion to the signal.

If your sound is really that poor that you need eq then perhaps there is a more fundamental problem with your amp and/or speakers ?

An expert sound engineer has spent hours getting the sound right only for you to mess with it. That doesnt seem to make much sense.

Minor changes to bass/treble are fine, any more and I suspect you have a problem somewhere.

[Tom]

I find a simple bass/treble control on the mixer works fine.

I am not quite sure why anyone would want equalisation.
e.g. putting lift/drop at a certain frequency is gonna make it sound pretty odd. And if that works for the current track the next track could need very different equalisation.

Every bit of electronics in the signal path adds noise/distortion to the signal.

If your sound is really that poor that you need eq then perhaps there is a more fundamental problem with your amp and/or speakers ?

An expert sound engineer has spent hours getting the sound right only for you to mess with it. That doesnt seem to make much sense.

Minor changes to bass/treble are fine, any more and I suspect you have a problem somewhere.

Not being funny but you may want to say that to either recording studios who require a flat sound and use eq to get that flat sound and that goes the same to pro touring rigs.


You can have the best speakers in the world but every room is different and make the any speaker act different. Hence why I wanted to put my EQ back in the rig. I used to use it before and I was possible to make my cheap pa speakers sound much better than what they were.

I sure my speakers are fine. I use Mackie SRM450 V2 and the DB Sub 15.

[nigelwright7557]

Not being funny but you may want to say that to either recording studios who require a flat sound and use eq to get that flat sound and that goes the same to pro touring rigs.


You can have the best speakers in the world but every room is different and make the any speaker act different. Hence why I wanted to put my EQ back in the rig. I used to use it before and I was possible to make my cheap pa speakers sound much better than what they were.

I sure my speakers are fine. I use Mackie SRM450 V2 and the DB Sub 15.

But we arent talking about studios, we are talking about a disco gig !

With a disco we are talking about speakers with lots of people in front of them, where is the variation ?

Even if the sound sint flat then how are you going to do it with a pair of ears ? You need a white noise source and a spectrum analyser to get anywhere near close !

[Tom]

But we arent talking about studios, we are talking about a disco gig !

With a disco we are talking about speakers with lots of people in front of them, where is the variation ?

Even if the sound sint flat then how are you going to do it with a pair of ears ? You need a white noise source and a spectrum analyser to get anywhere near close !

From another thread, this is where this comes in to play - Link (http://www.studiospares.com/Test-Gear/CD2-AnalysCheck/invt/404530)

[A1DL]

£56 for a spectrum analyser, reference mic and a soundcheck CD :confused:

You should expect to pay about 4 times that just for a reasonable quality reference mic on its own, so how useful that bit of kit would be, I wouldn't like to imagine.

[nigelwright7557]

£56 for a spectrum analyser, reference mic and a soundcheck CD :confused:

You should expect to pay about 4 times that just for a reasonable quality reference mic on its own, so how useful that bit of kit would be, I wouldn't like to imagine.

Listening to music is subjective to each individual.

Just because the DJ thinks it sounds good doesnt mean the audience will.
Thats makes treble/bass and equalisation redundant.

[A1DL]

Listening to music is subjective to each individual.

Just because the DJ thinks it sounds good doesnt mean the audience will.
Thats makes treble/bass and equalisation redundant.


Nigel, are you saying a system should always be run flat, irrespective of room acoustics, feedback, programme material, etc?

[Tom]

It says in the Studiospares cataloge (page 174 tope left) that the CD was created by Alan Parsons and Steve Court who mastered it at Abbey Road Studios.

It must be good then? I agree with the microphone not being all that but still.

[nigelwright7557]

Nigel, are you saying a system should always be run flat, irrespective of room acoustics, feedback, programme material, etc?

I am probably saying wherever you set the controls someone will think it lacks/needs bass and/or lacks/needs treble.

Womens ears usually have a higher frequency response anyway.
So different sexes will hear differently.

I personally have trouble with tweeters, they give me headaches.
If I have the tweeters off I can stand a much higher sound pressure level.

Its a personal experience.

[A1DL]

It says in the Studiospares cataloge (page 174 tope left) that the CD was created by Alan Parsons and Steve Court who mastered it at Abbey Road Studios.

It must be good then? I agree with the microphone not being all that but still.


The CD is probably great Tom, it was more the spectrum analyser and mic that made it seem a ridiculously cheap package.

Tony

[Tom]

The CD is probably great Tom, it was more the spectrum analyser and mic that made it seem a ridiculously cheap package.

Tony

Well it's worth a shot I reakon. See what happens.