suffering lollypops

[daz226]

would you beleive it there i was sat night doing a 30th birthday party all was well music going down a treat and i had a lovley warm fuzzy feeling then i was asked to play .....sat night all of a sudden i thought that does not sound as it should and imediatly changed the track with out the party really knowing what had happend. my left hand speaker had decided to spit its dummy out

i have since listend to it at home and its now time to enter the minefield of the speaker world and having read all the post regarding which ones to get all i can say is it is a minefield. i have set a budget of £900 for which i would like some all singing all dancing speakers consisting of 2 subs and 2 15" top speakers.

now this is all my fault as i used false econemy by buying cheep in the first place i originally bought some very good sounding class d sp15's problem was they was to big to carry round so i bought some basic speakers that i could easily travel with

that was my downfall so now is the time to put things right and sort this out sorry to go on i guess i am just mad at my self.

any recomendations would be very much aprecieated i know this has been done to death

i do karaoke and disco and never play to more than 150 with 80ish max on the dance floor i have had a good look round but you cant beat real advice from those who really know.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

now this is all my fault as i used false econemy by buying cheep in the first place i originally bought some very good sounding class d sp15's problem was they was to big to carry round so i bought some basic speakers that i could easily travel with


I don't want to start the Class D debate again, but Class D are budget speakers. What on earth did you buy that were cheaper than that?

[daz226]

lets just say i made the wrong choice in a very big way but i now have £900 to £1000 to make good my mistake

[Excalibur]

now this is all my fault as i used false econemy by buying cheep in the first place i originally bought some very good sounding class d sp15's problem was they was to big to carry round so i bought some basic speakers that i could easily travel with

that was my downfall so now is the time to put things right and sort this out sorry to go on i guess i am just mad at my self.

any recomendations would be very much aprecieated i know this has been done to death

i do karaoke and disco and never play to more than 150 with 80ish max on the dance floor i have had a good look round but you cant beat real advice from those who really know.

How many times have I posted how big those blighters are? :confused: ;) Even I have to be careful putting them on tripods.


I don't want to start the Class D debate again, but Class D are budget speakers. What on earth did you buy that were cheaper than that?

Steady there Sir. I thought you were going to say something inflammatory there.


lets just say i made the wrong choice in a very big way but i now have £900 to £1000 to make good my mistake

Right, here's my four pennorth. Since you do karaoke, subs, 12" tops, active crossover and two amps.
Subs.
http://www.classd.ltd.uk/product.php?productid=16148&cat=24&page=1
Tops
http://www.classd.ltd.uk/product.php?productid=16141&cat=255&page=1
or
http://www.classd.ltd.uk/product.php?productid=16143&cat=256&page=1
Crossover
http://www.classd.ltd.uk/product.php?productid=16186&cat=273&page=1
Amps. Two of
http://www.classd.ltd.uk/product.php?productid=16189&cat=265&page=1

List price, £980. A system with total control.

[Penfold42]

I still reckon you have shares........but I do happen to agree with Peter.
For what it's worth......OMG....did I just say that.....:eek: :D

[theoloyla]

I cant afford Function 1 but I have used and swear by Deltec for over 30 years.

[Excalibur]

I still reckon you have shares........but I do happen to agree with Peter.
For what it's worth......OMG....did I just say that.....:eek: :D

I see it, but I don't believe it! :eek:

OK, in the interests of balance.
Tops
http://www.electromusic.co.uk/product.php?productid=377&cat=99&page=1
Subs
http://www.electromusic.co.uk/product.php?productid=601&cat=99&page=1
Amps two of these, they have built in crossovers, but not quite as much control
http://www.electromusic.co.uk/product.php?productid=356&cat=124&page=1

With one amp £720, with two, just over £1000. I'd prefer the Class-D, but I'd use this happily. If anything else comes to mind, I'll post it.

[Sapphire Disco]

Noooooooooo

This is defiantly what you want for the tops with a pair of compact 12" subs
12" RCF

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Noooooooooo

This is defiantly what you want for the tops with a pair of compact 12" subs
12" RCF

Has Flatliners hijacked your account? :eek: :D

[Excalibur]

Noooooooooo

This is defiantly what you want for the tops with a pair of compact 12" subs
12" RCF

With the greatest of respect, partly cos I know they're well recommended, and partly cos I'm a pedant:
Links, explanations and costing please. :bang: :bang:

Edit: I'd recommend 15" subs. I'd prefer18" personally, but for the original request, I'd say15"

[Sapphire Disco]

Has Flatliners hijacked your account? :eek: :D

No I've just heard them a couple of times and read a lot about them , I am convinced pound for pound they are the best buy.
I need to get rid of 4 pairs of other speakers before I buy some though :D
If they go together (need to check on that)I will get a pair of 12" Sin bins to go with them.

[Excalibur]

No I've just heard them a couple of times and read a lot about them , I am convinced pound for pound they are the best buy.
I need to get rid of 4 pairs of other speakers before I buy some though :D
If they go together (need to check on that)I will get a pair of 12" Sin bins to go with them.

And with even greater respect, still no prices,or links. :( At least an explanation though. :D

[Sapphire Disco]

And with even greater respect, still no prices,or links. :( At least an explanation though. :D


And with even more greater respect prices & stocks change all the time although I feel I have given good advice, I wouldn't want to try and dictate where the items were purchased from as well :D

[Excalibur]

And with even more greater respect prices & stocks change all the time although I feel I have given good advice, I wouldn't want to try and dictate where the items were purchased from as well :D

OK. Now with no respect, are they in budget? What would you drive them with? That's really what I was trying to get at. :D When someone asks a question, I always try to ensure that my answer satisfies the specified criteria.

[spin mobile disco]

Ok I assume you want powered I would recomend:

2 opera 415 bi amped tops. These are 15inch tops with 450 watt sub amp and 75 watt high band amp. I say 2 of these for £550 . I had a listen and they are very nice rounded sound and only weigh 20kilos each which is very good.
Match that with a DB sub 15 and you would have a system for most venue's and occasions. I use the single sub setup with 2 tops and have never been found wanting for bass or top end. I have used this setup in rooms with up to 400 people in without even taking them to maximum power.
You can pick one up for £479 each and you do only need one.
Whole package is just over your budget but I would be very surprised if you couldnt get a deal on the lot for £900 if you ask.

Oh worth mentioning the DB range is well covered by the DB technical staff. I broke my sub once (user error) and they had it fixed same day!

http://www.decks.co.uk/products/speakers/db/opera415 -tops
http://www.decks.co.uk/products/speakers/db/opera415 -sub

[Excalibur]

Ok I assume you want powered I would recomend:

2 opera 415 bi amped tops. These are 15inch tops with 450 watt sub amp and 75 watt high band amp. I say 2 of these for £550 . I had a listen and they are very nice rounded sound and only weigh 20kilos each which is very good.
Match that with a DB sub 15 and you would have a system for most venue's and occasions. I use the single sub setup with 2 tops and have never been found wanting for bass or top end. I have used this setup in rooms with up to 400 people in without even taking them to maximum power.
You can pick one up for £479 each and you do only need one.
Whole package is just over your budget but I would be very surprised if you couldnt get a deal on the lot for £900 if you ask.

Oh worth mentioning the DB range is well covered by the DB technical staff. I broke my sub once (user error) and they had it fixed same day!
I have no knowledge of these, and am not disagreeing much with your suggestion, but would make two points.
It is often felt that for Karaoke, 12" tops are preferable. While I rarely do karaoke, I also hold this view.
An active system like this does not allow as much control over crossover points. ( If it does, then I withdraw that point. )

[Sapphire Disco]

OK. Now with no respect, are they in budget? What would you drive them with? That's really what I was trying to get at. :D When someone asks a question, I always try to ensure that my answer satisfies the specified criteria.


Ooooh

Yes well in budget with enough left over for subs, do you really think I would have suggested them if they were not :confused:
I may be wrong but I am presuming after reading the post the chap has at least one amp already.
I think it's good for people to ask advice, could stop them making a costly mistake, but I think they should do their own research on prices & supplier and if it is really what you are looking for etc, anyway that's part of the fun, doesn't hurt to ask if anyone has found it cheaper though, once you have made your choice :)

[spin mobile disco]

I have no knowledge of these, and am not disagreeing much with your suggestion, but would make two points.
It is often felt that for Karaoke, 12" tops are preferable. While I rarely do karaoke, I also hold this view.
An active system like this does not allow as much control over crossover points. ( If it does, then I withdraw that point. )


The sub and tops both have active crossovers so you can have a choice of crossover frequency. The sub has a low pass filter for tops or straight through signal. You can choose either 80, 100 or 120hz for crossover. Or the tops have and adjustable input filter with eq for adjustment.
As they were designed to work together as a set I think we can assume the preset crossover points are recomended by them.

[daz226]

see i said it was a minefield but i have to say a massive thanks to you all for your replys.

i like the class -d as i have experience with them and the sound was awesome SP15( just a pity about the size) but i have them on ebay now

its just a metter of making the right choice now as my experience in this is limited only been doing this for 18 months. also the amp i have at the moment is a Kam kxr 1500 so if i was to get a cross over then i would only need another smaller amp which means i can spend more on the speakers.

but i need to do this soon as i have this weekend off then its non stop untill after christmas.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

An active system like this does not allow as much control over crossover points. ( If it does, then I withdraw that point. )

Not sure about the sub mentioned, but the crossover in my sub has a switch for 80, 100 and 120 hz, as well as running high pass or just balanced out. I would have thought that would be enough for most users?

[Excalibur]

Ooooh

Yes well in budget with enough left over for subs, do you really think I would have suggested them if they were not :confused:
People have done so on more than one occasion before, and will doubtless do so again. ;) :D




I may be wrong but I am presuming after reading the post the chap has at least one amp already.
And to my shame I didn't. :o Well spotted. ;) Of course, it could be crap? :confused:



I think it's good for people to ask advice, could stop them making a costly mistake, but I think they should do their own research on prices & supplier and if it is really what you are looking for etc, anyway that's part of the fun, doesn't hurt to ask if anyone has found it cheaper though, once you have made your choice :)

I'm not dictating where anyone should buy anything, simply giving ( and asking for) examples. Thanks for your views.

[Excalibur]

i have since listend to it at home and its now time to enter the minefield of the speaker world and having read all the post regarding which ones to get all i can say is it is a minefield. i have set a budget of £900 for which i would like some all singing all dancing speakers consisting of 2 subs and 2 15" top speakers..


Noooooooooo

This is defiantly what you want for the tops with a pair of compact 12" subs
12" RCF


OK. Now with no respect, are they in budget? What would you drive them with? That's really what I was trying to get at. :D When someone asks a question, I always try to ensure that my answer satisfies the specified criteria.


Ooooh

Yes well in budget with enough left over for subs, do you really think I would have suggested them if they were not :confused:
I may be wrong but I am presuming after reading the post the chap has at least one amp already.

As I've only found them at £700 to £800 per pair, I beg to differ. If I'm missing something then I'm sorry.


see i said it was a minefield but i have to say a massive thanks to you all for your replys.

i like the class -d as i have experience with them and the sound was awesome SP15( just a pity about the size) but i have them on ebay now

its just a metter of making the right choice now as my experience in this is limited only been doing this for 18 months. also the amp i have at the moment is a Kam kxr 1500 so if i was to get a cross over then i would only need another smaller amp which means i can spend more on the speakers.

but i need to do this soon as i have this weekend off then its non stop untill after christmas.
I too have the Kam. I'd recommend C-Mark as better. I'd get the same size amp, as you can lower the output from the crossover to lower the volume. The price difference on amp size is usually too small for big savings. Ask away mate, you'll get plenty of advice. :D


Not sure about the sub mentioned, but the crossover in my sub has a switch for 80, 100 and 120 hz, as well as running high pass or just balanced out. I would have thought that would be enough for most users?

Thanks for that Darren. As a passive kind of guy, I didn't know that. I reckon it probably would be fine for most. An active crossover gives continuously variable points, which I like.

[UltraBeat Entertainment]

I'm kind of worried it hasn't yet been mentioned but JBL is another option.

Started using them a few years back and have never looked back. Great sound, really good build quality and made to last. Not yet had one problem with them and i plan to buy more.

In my eyes there a star buy:cool:

[Sapphire Disco]

Excalibur I'm not sure what you are trying to do by keeping on trying to prove you are right, I think you are dropping yourself more in the doo doo.

£575 a pair www.dolphinmusic.co.uk

Chap already said he made a big mistake originally buying some big old heavy class D speakers and it was a waste of money.
I think it's far better to have a lighter more compact set up if you can it's easier to handle and less chance of doing your back in.

These 12" passive speakers will out perform many 15"
and it was just a suggestion not an order, considering his previous mistake.

I don't think my original post deserved 2 or 3 replies from you trying to justify yourself, I think you should drop it now, I've made my recommendation it's up to Daz what he buys :)

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Boys, boys, hang on.

I think we are getting confused here.

Diamond is quoting for a passive pair and Excalibur is looking at the prices for active. Now if that's the case, can we have a group hug? :sj:

[djsteve10]

Wow this is like doing online shopping at Tescos except somebody does it for you :P

[Sapphire Disco]

Boys, boys, hang on.

I think we are getting confused here.

Diamond is quoting for a passive pair and Excalibur is looking at the prices for active. Now if that's the case, can we have a group hug? :sj:

Darren it's not me getting prices confused I don't think actives were ever in the equation, Excalibur twice dissected my posting adding sniping comments I dislike this, postings should be read as a whole, not in little bits with sniping comments in between, also I hate the head banging against the wall when commenting on other posters opinions, I find it so condescending.
Anyway I hope that's end of it, we are all entitled to our own opinions :)
The guy just wants advice on speakers not argument, Excalibur :) :beer1:

[One Vision]

You could do far worse if after the traditional approach and go for this deal.
When back in stock that is.

http://www.whybuynew.co.uk/Ex-Display-Peavey-Pro-Sub-&-Pro-15-Package.html

[soundtracker]

Sorry thought I'd logged on to a price comparison site by mistake!

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Anyway I hope that's end of it, we are all entitled to our own opinions :)
The guy just wants advice on speakers not argument, Excalibur :) :beer1:

I'll prepare the boxing ring at my party shall I? :eek: :D :beer1:

[Sapphire Disco]

I'll prepare the boxing ring at my party shall I? :eek: :D :beer1:


Well I don't know it's been a long time since I was in the ring, my licence expired about 20years ago. :D

[Excalibur]

Why do I get into so many fights on here? :confused:
Right, let's make some things clear. Diamond, I never snipe at people. If you thought that, then I totally, unreservedly and publicly apologise to you, no probs. All I asked for was that you gave costings for your advice, so that we could see if it met the criteria specified by Daz. I was using prices I'd found for passives, at £7-800! That's why I didn't reckon it was in budget. At £575 for passives, £200-£250 for subs yes it's in budget, but only one amp, so no backup at all. Workable, but not ideal.
For the record, Daz liked his Class-D's, they were just too big. I have the same ones, and I lose count of how many times I've warned folk just how big they are!:eek:
I am happy to give anyone advice when I have knowledge to share, and I always try to make sure that the advice I give meets the requirements of the OP.
Diamond, I have no axe to grind with you, I simply wanted you to show how your suggestions met Daz's requirements, as I would have asked anyone to do. There's no point in telling someone that a Rolls Royce is a great car if he can only afford a Skoda! ;) :D

Let's see what Daz ends up with eh? :confused: Anyone want a bet that he's driving round the East Midlands tomorrow morning? ;) ;) :D :D

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Why do I get into so many fights on here? :confused:


Perhaps it's because you are an argumentative old goat? :boxer2: :D

[Excalibur]

Perhaps it's because you are an argumentative old goat? :boxer2: :D

Could be. Do you think I'll mellow with age? :confused:

[Penfold42]

Could be. Do you think I'll mellow with age? :confused:

How old do you need to be then.....:p :D

[Excalibur]

How old do you need to be then.....:p :D

As old as Theo? :sofa:

[daz226]

firstly i would like to thank each one of you who gave me advice i took it all onboard and did a lot of looking around and finally thanks to advice from this post i have made what i think will be a great choice.

i will be looking to go collect my new bits n bobs early next week and i have a 40th birthday next sat night so ill make sure i take some photo's of the new set up.

one for the future that i seen was the mackie SRM450 v2 with a sub but that came in at £1799 above what i could look to pay but one day mabe


once again many thanks

Daz

[Excalibur]

one for the future that i seen was the mackie SRM450 v2 with a sub but that came in at £1799 above what i could look to pay but one day mabe
Daz

We know somebody who swapped that rig for a Class-D one, don't we? ;) :D :D

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

We know somebody who swapped that rig for a Class-D one, don't we? ;) :D :D

Not V2, no. :p

[Excalibur]

Not V2, no. :p

Nitpicker! V1, V2, all the same isn't it? :confused: :D :D

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Nitpicker! V1, V2, all the same isn't it? :confused: :D :D

Er, no not really.

[Twinspin]

those RCF cabs on dolphin music at £575 are the passive 312As not the active.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

We know John. Keep up!