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KaraokeHo
18-09-2008, 11:16 PM
I read this on another forum and it was titled "What KJs know that DJs don't" and it had more "thanks" nods than any other post I'd ever seen. It really makes a lot of sense:




- When you're doing DJ work, you're creating a music and dance environment that people want to get lost in, have a few drinks and forget the entire work week that preceeded. The more music, lights, and no stopping and people will love you. That's usually what attracts people to DJ work. It's the love people have for what you do for them. A lot of DJs entire ego is based around how well they impress their audience, and that's perfectly ok.

- What sets karaoke apart by a mile is that fundemental thinking that you're the center of the show. In fact, that is the entire difference between DJ work and running a karaoke show.

- In karaoke, the singers want to be the center of the show for those few minutes they're up on stage.

- In most karaoke bars (at least the good ones), the majority of people sitting out there are there in anticipation of singing.

- the occassional dance song (no more than once an hour if there's a decent rotation) is just fine and usually acts as a great ice breaker for all the anticipation out there in the crowd.

- Any other music other than dance (if it has vocals), is nothing more than a reminder to all listening what its "supposed to sound like". Its a subtle psychological thing, but people who are coming to the show to be the star for their 5 minutes don't even need to hear something that sets the bar higher.

- The people who come to karaoke shows are generally much more down to earth folks, who although like the people who go dancing, like to use karaoke as their weekly "escape", but I've noticed that they do like to talk more amongst themselves. There's the talk about how good each singer is. There's the talking to the last singer and patting them on the back (if they deserve it). There's more social interaction than the usual guys trying to get laid and the girls trying to be "lay worthy" and all the silly little games that go with that. With that in mind, during a DJ show, a constant high volume of music expected. During a karaoke show however, the breaks between singers should NOT be filled with more high volume music as a filler. The best shows actually have nothing playing between singers, and for good reason. It gives people a minute or so to absord the last singers performance, and it also acts like a glass of water between courses of a good dinner. Each song has a different "mood", and you can't simply slam one right after another. Remember, in karaoke, people singing want to be paid attention to and its your job to put the crowds attention on the singer. The entire crowd is not in a dance coma and their attention IS supposed to be focused in one direction.

- After a person has sung, its not good for the KJ to comment on the singers performance. Many new KJs make this mistake. Obviously you're not going to tell people when they suck, so you simply end up looking like a Paula Abdul who can't say a bad thing about anyone. Let the crowd do the talking with their applause (or lack thereof). You have to stay neutral. Remember who the attention is supposed to be on.

- If you must play songs between singers, make them at a noticably lower volume. You need to establish the difference between when the crowd is supposed to pay attention and when they're not. This is very important. Likewise, and this is also very important (and this is where a lot of DJs make their biggest mistake), is to not to create a "show" between singers. No flashing lights, no videos playing on screens, and most importantly, shut up. If the bar requests you mention the specials once an hour, so be it, but just remember who the attention is supposed to be on. THE HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF TIME PAID TO AND FOCUSED ON SINGERS WILL MAKE SINGERS WANT TO COME BACK!!! Singers are who you want to attract, period.

- Sound is much more important in a karaoke show. In a dance club, the people are trying to get "lost" in the music, and when they do, the ability for your tweeters to hit the highest end of your EQ band doesn't mean squat to them. Yes, the occasional audiophile may enter the establishment and compliment you if your sound system is in peak audio condition, but lets face it, as long as its loud, you've kept over 95% of your audience. Karaoke is a whole different ball game. People are MUCH more focused on what they're hearing. Singers almost always flock to the places where they sound the best.

- If you rank in the top 10% of singers (vocally), you shouldn't be singing in the rotation. In fact, you shouldn't be a KJ if your livelyhood depends on it if that's the reason you got into it, because you're not going to make a great living by intimidating people. You are the KJ, and everyone there knows it, and, if you can also outsing them, well, you've just been a bit too dominating. Although even good singers expect to hear someone better than themselves here and there, they're surely not going to be comfortable coming every week if they know that same person will be in EVERY rotation, AND is the KJ!


...SO, in a nutshell, if you're a DJ about to get into karaoke, and if you have a good ear for sound, and you think you can TRULY run a show that isn't centered around you, you just might make it.

DazzyD
19-09-2008, 03:43 AM
Some points here are valid and I agree with - especially the ones about not being too good as this intimidates your singers - this is very true. When I'm KJing I sing very different songs than when I'm just karaoke-ing for this very reason. Also choice of song sets the mood.

I don't agree with the not playing music between singers (most of my karaoke shows are karaoke discos and these are popular as they appeal to both sets of people). A lot of people will try to say that you can't mix karaoke and disco but it can be done. I'm living proof and others on here can pull it off too.

And I certainly don't agree with not commenting on the singers. IMO people still deserve "a pat on the back" just for having the courage to get up to sing. This also serves to encourage them back up and others to join in the fun.

A decent sound system is important for karaoke but it can't perform miracles. Either a singer can sing or they can't. No quality of system is going to change that!

soundtracker
19-09-2008, 07:31 AM
- What sets karaoke apart by a mile is that fundemental thinking that you're the center of the show. In fact, that is the entire difference between DJ work and running a karaoke show.

- In karaoke, the singers want to be the center of the show for those few minutes they're up on stage.



Yes, this might be relevant if this were a "CLUB" Disco site, however this is "The MOBILE" where we are well used to the fact that we are NOT the centre of attraction, as most of the time we hand this honour on to the Bride & Groom.

KaraokeHo
19-09-2008, 08:35 AM
And I certainly don't agree with not commenting on the singers. IMO people still deserve "a pat on the back" just for having the courage to get up to sing. This also serves to encourage them back up and others to join in the fun.



...but doesn't it make you sound like the announcer at the special olympics? "You're ALL special". You're the KJ. If you can't tell the difference between good and bad singers, what does that say to the rest of the crowd?

After doing that about ten times, the singers tend to figure out that you're simply lying to everyone. Do you honestly think they buy it? The don't, and you make them feel like idiots. They won't tell you, but its happening. Decent singers cherish those few moments after the song is over and the crowd is cheering them. I assure you that they're NOT looking forward to the "broken record" segment of the show where you say the same thing that you say to every singer.

...but you just keep doing things that way. Your competition is surely reaping the benefits.

One Vision
19-09-2008, 09:14 AM
You also have to remember that if a weekend gig people are going to be out for different reasons and not all up for karaoke.
Some purely want to soak up the atmosphere and sat down watching with a few drinks and others want to have a good dance.

If its a gig on a weekday and purely a karaoke night then, may well be different.

DazzyD
26-09-2008, 12:28 AM
...but doesn't it make you sound like the announcer at the special olympics? "You're ALL special". You're the KJ. If you can't tell the difference between good and bad singers, what does that say to the rest of the crowd?

After doing that about ten times, the singers tend to figure out that you're simply lying to everyone. Do you honestly think they buy it? The don't, and you make them feel like idiots. They won't tell you, but its happening. Decent singers cherish those few moments after the song is over and the crowd is cheering them. I assure you that they're NOT looking forward to the "broken record" segment of the show where you say the same thing that you say to every singer.

...but you just keep doing things that way. Your competition is surely reaping the benefits.

So are you suggesting that we just open up karaoke to the good singers? The whole point of karaoke is that is can be enjoyed by everyone regardless of singing ability. When karaoke was first imported from Japan in the late 80s it started with japanese businessmen winding down with their mates. Could they all sing? I think not. One memorable moment that sticks in my mind was a japanese guy, dressed in shirt and tie, belting out My Way. He wasn't the worlds greatest singer but the fun and laughter shared with his friends was something a bit special.

Now I take offence at your suggestion that my comments should be the same for each singer as this is certainly not the case. Part of the skills of the KJ is good banter and interaction with the singers and audience. It's these skills that are developed over time and need to be adaptable as every show is different. It also facilities the use of mass-karaoke where everyone (who wants to) joins in and this is great way of building a party atmosphere and getting everyone involved.

As for keep doing it my way - yes, I think I will, thank you. It's my style that has enabled to be successful in what I do for the last nine years (tenth anniversary in February 2009!) and that has generated a need for the expansion of Lightning in 2008.

As for the competition reaping the rewards of me doing things my way, then you could be right. I get a fair few booking enquiries that I cannot cover due to my workload so I have a select few "competitors" that I recommend or pass work on to. I may be good but I've yet to figure out a way to clone myself so I can be several places at the same time!

I don't know (or care) how you do things on that side of the pond and I wouldn't tell you how you should do your job so please don't tell me how to do mine - especially as the way I do things works for me and, if it ain't broken then I ain't gonna try to fix it!

CEEWorld
17-05-2009, 11:35 PM
The point that the Karaoke singers are the most important people is true, but it is the KJ's job to compare the night. You cannot say don't say anything about the singers, you need to say things about the singers.
Being a KJ is about building a raport with people, often people you have never met. You cannot build a rapport by staying quiet, the trick is knowing what to say and when to say it. This comes with experience. It's ok to have fun with people even comment on how bad someones singing is, its how you go about it that is the key.
I know a girl who has a terrible voice and has been singing Karaoke for 4 years, she has improved a little, but she is also great fun to bounce off. I am often heard making comments on her singing, but its how I do it that makes the difference, YES she is BAD, but I will say something like I am reminded of Morcambe & Wise with Andre Previn and Erics, "I am playing the right notes just not necesserily in the right order" changing the playing to singing I also make sure that the audience shows her their appreciation. bad singers can also give others the feeling they can take part. Karaoke is not about being elitist it is about fun.
If you want to have fun with people you can, just choose the right people to do it with, that means being able to read a crowd, which after nearly 33 years in the business I am pretty good at. I try and involve people and draw them into the show make them a part of something, and so far what I do works very well.

JAMdisco
18-05-2009, 11:56 AM
In all my Karaoke experiences (as a punter, not a host), most people are that drunk (especially towards the end when you get the really bad singers) that they won't hear/care/understand what you're saying about them anyway :p :D

Sarahjovi
18-05-2009, 12:43 PM
In my experience, the biggest round of applause goes to the Worst singer who looks like they thoroughly enjoying themselves!

Sarah:D

Spirits High
18-05-2009, 01:12 PM
The point that the Karaoke singers are the most important people is true, but it is the KJ's job to compare the night. You cannot say don't say anything about the singers, you need to say things about the singers.
Being a KJ is about building a raport with people, often people you have never met. You cannot build a rapport by staying quiet, the trick is knowing what to say and when to say it. This comes with experience. It's ok to have fun with people even comment on how bad someones singing is, its how you go about it that is the key.
I know a girl who has a terrible voice and has been singing Karaoke for 4 years, she has improved a little, but she is also great fun to bounce off. I am often heard making comments on her singing, but its how I do it that makes the difference, YES she is BAD, but I will say something like I am reminded of Morcambe & Wise with Andre Previn and Erics, "I am playing the right notes just not necesserily in the right order" changing the playing to singing I also make sure that the audience shows her their appreciation. bad singers can also give others the feeling they can take part. Karaoke is not about being elitist it is about fun.
If you want to have fun with people you can, just choose the right people to do it with, that means being able to read a crowd, which after nearly 33 years in the business I am pretty good at. I try and involve people and draw them into the show make them a part of something, and so far what I do works very well.


Hi Paul, there was abit of background on you in there but pop over to the newbies section to introduce yourself in a proper "Hello" ;)