CD player.

[Penfold42]

OK.....moving on from another thread.

If you are digital....do you have the facility to play CD?

I don't so if a customer asked early enough (1 week before hand)....I would be able to source, but on the night (sorry).....can you offer this service?

Over to you.

:)

[Danno13]

Yes, I take the drawers from a DN4500 along, which connect to my HC4500.

[Jiggles]

I do but I don't. Strange I know but what I use as a CD drive can be temperamental! I'm using a bodgit way a USB hard drive enclosure with a CD Drive attached to it :D Works but not very well.

[Penfold42]

OK - Re-cap.........IF YOU ARE DIGITAL!!
:)

[Vectis]

External USB superslim DVD drive that connects to the USB port on the front of the d2.

Smashin :thumbsup:

Also have drives on the laptop if I get desperate.

[Dragonfly]

OK - Re-cap.........IF YOU ARE DIGITAL!!
:)

and we are talking do you take the option to every single gig regardless???

[Penfold42]

External USB superslim DVD drive that connects to the USB port on the front of the d2.

So that means what?
Yes or No?

and we are talking do you take the option to every single gig regardless???

Your in a right mood today....
:ontopic:

[Vectis]

So that means what?
Yes or No?


Yes, as voted.

[Dragonfly]

So that means what?
Yes or No?


Your in a right mood today....
:ontopic:


sorry was just qualifying your rather vague poll :D :D :D :D :D not off topic :confused: :confused: :confused:

pants i am now


sorry

[Penfold42]

Yes, as voted.

Thank you. :)

Trying to keep it simple....:)

[Excalibur]

Yes, I take the drawers from a DN4500 along, which connect to my HC4500.
Flash git! :p


External USB superslim DVD drive that connects to the USB port on the front of the d2.

Smashin :thumbsup:

Also have drives on the laptop if I get desperate.

No less than I would expect. :D


and we are talking do you take the option to every single gig regardless???

Of :Censored: course, you :Censored: person, otherwise why :Censored: well have it? :confused: :confused:

[ppentertainments]

Yes have the option. Use a Kam DVD/Karaoke/Cd/usb machine thingy. Great as backup.

Maybe it should not be expected but it is - everything matters.

I also take a cd with the first dance on just for extra backup

[Andy Westcott]

I voted before I read that this was for mainly 'digital' DJs.
Never mind...

[Tom]

A bit like danno13 but I connect my dn4500 draws on the hd2500

[djsteve10]

I have the Denon DN4500 draws to go with the HD2500, I also have the CD-ROM Drive on the laptop which is used for lighting and backup if the Denon crashes so I have it covered.

[Excalibur]

A bit like danno13 but I connect my dn4500 draws on the hd2500

£999 :D That's two Cortex players, four CD drives and a new mixer. :D Another £20 and I could get a PA as well. ;) :D :D

[Tom]

But you don't know how much I paid for the hd2500 and the dn4500 draws did you. :D:D:D

[Excalibur]

But you don't know how much I paid for the hd2500 and the dn4500 draws did you. :D:D:D

Like I said, £999. :D

[Shaun]

OK.....moving on from another thread.

If you are digital....do you have the facility to play CD?


Yes!

[Penfold42]

Yes!

Now I'm surprised at you...:p

:)

[rob1963]

Not only do I have the option to play CDs, but I carry 4 players to play them on!

I carry my old CD console containing a dual player (and all my CDs) for back up, but also carry a table top player which can be plugged into the spare channel on my digital console, and my digital console also has a single CD player built in.

It's not quite as good as the Vectis Vibe back up system, but it's good enough for me!

Edit: I'm not surprised by the survey results so far, which show that around 95% of digital DJs either already have or plan to have the option to play CDs...which makes complete sense to me.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

But you don't know how much I paid for the hd2500 and the dn4500 draws did you. :D:D:D

I do...;)

[Penfold42]

I am surprised by the amount of people with hard drives that also supply CD option as well.....

On my stand I have my play out system, 2 hard drives, 2 key boards and a laptop......I don't have enough room for a CD player.....very strange.

Thanks for the info....but i'm still not getting one....:D

[rob1963]

I am surprised by the amount of people with hard drives that also supply CD option as well.....

On my stand I have my play out system, 2 hard drives, 2 key boards and a laptop......I don't have enough room for a CD player.....very strange.

Thanks for the info....but i'm still not getting one....:D

Tony,

Why not just get one of those walkman CD players & stick in a couple of Duracells? You wouldn't even have to connect it to your mixer unless it was needed & it would take up virtually no space in a bag or box.

Surely it's worth it when you can pick up a brand new one on a certain auction site for less than £15 including postage?

[theoloyla]

I have for years always carried a ghetto blaster as an emergency back up if all else fails. It can even run on batteries if there is a powercut. It may not be the best but it is better than nothing.

[rob1963]

I have for years always carried a ghetto blaster as an emergency back up if all else fails. It can even run on batteries if there is a powercut.

Just like my digital console!

:D

[theoloyla]

But you've no amplification though.

[Steve the DJ]

Yes, I take the drawers from a DN4500 along, which connect to my HC4500.

Same for me, although I have DN-D4000 drawers.

I keep the original control unit for the DN-D4000 with me just in case.

[rob1963]

But you've no amplification though.

Correct...just like you wouldn't have in the event of a power cut.

;)

[Corabar Steve]

Just like my digital console!

:D


But you've no amplification though.

Loyla 1 - James 0

[rob1963]

But you've no amplification though.


Correct...just like you wouldn't have in the event of a power cut.

;)

Loyla 1 - James 1

[Corabar Steve]

Correct...just like you wouldn't have in the event of a power cut.

;)

I didn't know power cuts stopped batteries from working

[Corabar Steve]

Loyla 2 - James 0

(James own goal)

[rob1963]

I didn't know power cuts stopped batteries from working

Neither did I.

Does Theo's disco amp run on batteries, then?

Loyla 1 - James 1

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Correct...just like you wouldn't have in the event of a power cut.

;)

I believe that you can run ghetto blasters on batteries? :D

[rob1963]

I believe that you can run ghetto blasters on batteries? :D

I believe you're right, Darren.

I also believe a ghetto blaster with its small built in speakers would be nowhere NEAR loud enough to use in place of the amp & speakers we normally use at gigs.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I believe you're right, Darren.

I also believe a ghetto blaster with its small built in speakers would be nowhere NEAR loud enough to use in place of the amp & speakers we normally use at gigs.

But as Theo says, it's better than nothing.

I don't really know why you are arguing the point tbh. :)

[theoloyla]

Probably because he didnt read my post properly (game, set and match to Loyla):) :D :p

[rob1963]

But as Theo says, it's better than nothing.

I don't really know why you are arguing the point tbh. :)

I'm arguing the point because I don't believe it's feasible to use a ghetto blaster in the event of a power cut.

Everyone dancing in the pitch black to a CD played at sufficient volume on a ghetto blaster which you've placed on the floor in front of the disco?

I just can't see it.

However, I'm willing to be proved wrong, so I'm happy to hear from people who take ghetto blasters to gigs, have used them in the event of a power cut & have found them to be adequate.

[theoloyla]

You are not going to create the same sort of atmosphere but it at least gives you some background whilst you are waiting/hoping for the power to come back on and in the case of most venues it will not be pitch black because they have emergency lighting and/or candles.

[Vectis]

Just rigging up my ImpossibLED to my UPS to see how long it runs for.

Could be interesting... 450VA UPS - I reckon it should go for at least 2 to 3 hours.

A battery-powered ghetto blaster + AUX input + UPS covering d2, mixer and an ImpossibLED should give you at least an hour which will cover most power cuts.
:o

Will report back later...

[CRAZY K]

OK.....moving on from another thread.

If you are digital....do you have the facility to play CD?

I don't so if a customer asked early enough (1 week before hand)....I would be able to source, but on the night (sorry).....can you offer this service?

Over to you.

:)

Small Sony walkman complete with mains lead --fits in one of my small flight cases.

Used for First Dance CDs given to me and various other CDs which seem to be brought along from time to time ---people DO expect you to play them in my personal experience---so I do.

CRAZY K

[Vectis]

Just rigging up my ImpossibLED to my UPS to see how long it runs for.

Could be interesting... 450VA UPS - I reckon it should go for at least 2 to 3 hours.

A battery-powered ghetto blaster + AUX input + UPS covering d2, mixer and an ImpossibLED should give you at least an hour which will cover most power cuts.
:o

Will report back later...

About 90 minutes :cool:

Not sure the UPS was fully charged either... it's not been used for about 3 weeks so could be slightly depleted.

So, ImpossibLED + Mixer + d2 ought to get at least 30-40 minutes out of it. Minor wiring change. Sorted :thumbsup:

[rob1963]

You are not going to create the same sort of atmosphere but it at least gives you some background whilst you are waiting/hoping for the power to come back on and in the case of most venues it will not be pitch black because they have emergency lighting and/or candles.

No doubt you also have some battery operated disco lights which you could use with your ghetto blaster until the power came back!

*Insert sarcastic smiley here*

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

You really need to get some fresh air or something Rob.

[rob1963]

You really need to get some fresh air or something Rob.

Thanks for the advice, Darren.

It's taken care of...I've just opened a window!

:D :D :D

[Penfold42]

Tony,

Why not just get one of those walkman CD players & stick in a couple of Duracells? You wouldn't even have to connect it to your mixer unless it was needed & it would take up virtually no space in a bag or box.

Surely it's worth it when you can pick up a brand new one on a certain auction site for less than £15 including postage?

Err....no!

I have much better ways to spend £15.....sorry to say, you can't convert me.

Also....if a punter comes up with a hooky CD....what next?
Play it and hope.....:)

[rob1963]

Err....no!

I have much better ways to spend £15.....sorry to say, you can't convert me.



Ahh well...you can't say I didn't try!


Also....if a punter comes up with a hooky CD....what next?

Play it and hope.....:)

Absolutely! After all, I've been using the "hit & hope" method for all 11 gigs with my new console without any problems yet!

:D

[CRAZY K]

Err....no!

I have much better ways to spend £15.....sorry to say, you can't convert me.

Also....if a punter comes up with a hooky CD....what next?
Play it and hope.....:)

Play it and blame the punter if it goes wrong--very loudly over the PA

Usual procedure;)

CRAZY K

[wensleydale]

Err....no!

I have much better ways to spend £15.....sorry to say, you can't convert me.

Also....if a punter comes up with a hooky CD....what next?
Play it and hope.....:)

for £15 i just think its a way of keeping people happy.
regardless of your views on this it is something that several people have agreed happens, and its certainly happened to me- for the sake of having a dual cd in my console I am happy to have the peace of mind that I can play cds.

[Penfold42]

Play it and blame the punter if it goes wrong--very loudly over the PA

Usual procedure;)

:lol:........:D

[rob1963]

for £15 i just think its a way of keeping people happy.

Let me shake your hand Rich!

:thumbsup:

[Penfold42]

for £15 i just think its a way of keeping people happy.
regardless of your views on this it is something that several people have agreed happens, and its certainly happened to me- for the sake of having a dual cd in my console I am happy to have the peace of mind that I can play cds.

How many times?

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Play it and blame the punter if it goes wrong--very loudly over the PA

Usual procedure;)



Not for me - I think that's highly unprofessional!

[Excalibur]

Err....no!

I have much better ways to spend £15.....sorry to say, you can't convert me.

Also....if a punter comes up with a hooky CD....what next?
Play it and hope.....:)

Or a hooky MP3 on a memory stick, which neither of you possess the original format of? :confused:


Play it and blame the punter if it goes wrong--very loudly over the PA

Usual procedure;)

CRAZY K


Not for me - I think that's highly unprofessional!

On balance I'm with Darren.

[Adam_F]

I use the BU4500 with the HD2500, so can play CD's.

[spin mobile disco]

I do not carry cd players as standard. But if given notice before hand I do still have 2 cd players I can use.

[Penfold42]

Or a hooky MP3 on a memory stick, which neither of you possess the original format of? :confused:

Good point...:)

[wensleydale]

How many times?

how many times what?

[Dragonfly]

How many roads must a man walk down
Before you call him a man??????

[Penfold42]

for £15 i just think its a way of keeping people happy.
regardless of your views on this it is something that several people have agreed happens, and its certainly happened to me- for the sake of having a dual cd in my console I am happy to have the peace of mind that I can play cds.


How many times?


how many times what?

How many times has this happen....?

[wensleydale]

How many times has this happen....?

probably 5 or more times- 2 elvis impersonators, 1 bollywood dance group and several brides and grooms who have brought a "special" cd on spec.

for the performers who I did not know I was performing with/they would be using my equipment that would be a lot of inconvenience and expense for the bride and groom that i avoided by having a cd player.

these clients all expected me to have a cd player and therefore i pre-empted this by having one.
one even expected me to have a radio mic, which i didnt.
i just had very long dmx leads.


as darren says, everything matters.

[BeerFunk]

I'm arguing the point because I don't believe it's feasible to use a ghetto blaster in the event of a power cut.

Everyone dancing in the pitch black to a CD played at sufficient volume on a ghetto blaster which you've placed on the floor in front of the disco?

I just can't see it.

However, I'm willing to be proved wrong, so I'm happy to hear from people who take ghetto blasters to gigs, have used them in the event of a power cut & have found them to be adequate.Having experienced a power cut during my very first wedding Rob, I must say that anything is better than no music.

Fortunately for me, the hotel had an emergency backup, which allowed my CD decks and amp to power up, but not my mixer. Some of the lighting was on around the room too, so the power cut really didn't ruin the night at all - luckily.

Now, in the event of a complete power cut, a ghetto blaster and a stock of candles (which hopefully the venue would have, you'd imagine so) would work wonders in any case. Remember, people will appreciate the situation, and will accept that the volume is limited, and that there are no flashing lights. You'll also find that a large number of people will go outside to look around the rest of the street, and to talk and have a laugh about it. So that means your volume requirement will drop a fair bit too.

I haven't invested in a battery operated ghetto blaster as a consequence of that night, although it is something I really should have done by now :o

Backup equipment crops up in discussion regularly here, with some DJs having backups for the backups for the backups :D In my experience, a power cut during a disco is probably just as likely as one of the essential components failing - yet (as far as I know) Theo is the only one to have a backup for the most essential component of them all - power! :)

[rob1963]

In my experience, a power cut during a disco is probably just as likely as one of the essential components failing

In my experience, it's far more likely for an essential component to fail.

Unless I'm losing my memory, I've never had a power cut at any of my gigs, although I've had a number of occasions when a piece of equipment failed.


(as far as I know) Theo is the only one to have a backup for the most essential component of them all - power! :)

I now run my D2 & mixer on a UPS, so I probably do more than most on here with regards to back up for power!

[Dragonfly]

In my experience, it's far more likely for an essential component to fail.

Unless I'm losing my memory, I've never had a power cut at any of my gigs, although I've had a number of occasions when a piece of equipment failed.


horses for courses again i'm exactly the opposite again.

[BeerFunk]

In my experience, it's far more likely for an essential component to fail.

Unless I'm losing my memory, I've never had a power cut at any of my gigs, although I've had a number of occasions when a piece of equipment failed.Has the equipment failed during use, or as you powered up at the start of the night?


I now run my D2 & mixer on a UPS, so I probably do more than most on here with regards to back up for power!Other than protecting your equipment from a sudden shutdown (very sensible I may add), that does nothing during a power cut. The music is still playing, but no-one can hear it!

[rob1963]

Has the equipment failed during use, or as you powered up at the start of the night?

Just during use, never when I've powered up at the start of the evening.


that does nothing during a power cut.

Not quite true (see below)


The music is still playing, but no-one can hear it!

True, but (especially in the case of power temporarily cut off by poorly set sound limiters) when the power returns, the music will instantly be heard without you having to do anything as soon as the amp comes back.

In other words, no waiting for any re-booting or re-cuing...and no need to physically do anything.

[Corabar Steve]

I'm arguing the point because I don't believe it's feasible to use a ghetto blaster in the event of a power cut.
You've not heard mine. I once had around 100 people (& yes somebody did a head count) dancing around our fire in the campsite at the Monsters of Rock festival (following years we took a gennie & PA system & the numbers increased)


I just can't see it.

Nither can the punters if it's pitch black.

[Dragonfly]

surely it shows effort on your part if you have a ghetto blaster?? the show must go on and all that? I recently did a wedding about 100 people ok small room but about 100 people and there was background music playing when we arrived which i personally thought was a little loud for its purpose..... but it turned out it was from a two speakered ipod come cd docking thing behind the bar , looked really cool and you could hear the music from it nicely and as a last ditch keeping things going measure ....i'd have one.

[rob1963]

surely it shows effort on your part if you have a ghetto blaster?? the show must go on and all that? I recently did a wedding about 100 people ok small room but about 100 people and there was background music playing when we arrived which i personally thought was a little loud for its purpose..... but it turned out it was from a two speakered ipod come cd docking thing behind the bar , looked really cool and you could hear the music from it nicely and as a last ditch keeping things going measure ....i'd have one.

I have a simple policy. "The show must go on...unless there's a power cut or a flood where I have to carry the gear over picnic tables like Darren did"

In reality, I've never had a power cut in 25 years, so it's unlikely there will be one in the remaining few years before I retire. Also, my terms & conditions have something about this stating that we are not liable for any loss of performance if anything like this happens.

At the end of the day, it's a bit like deciding how much back up equipment to carry. You have to draw the line somewhere & I'm sure most people do NOT carry two full sets of gear to all gigs. Your decision is based on common sense, what has happened in the past and the probability of what you think is likely to happen in the future.

If other people DO think the show must always go on, surely they all carry a generator with them...as this IS adqequate for using in power cuts, whereas as ghetto blaster (in my opinion) is NOT.

After all, with a generator you can play at normal volumes through your normal gear & all your lighting will still be going.

[Corabar Steve]

It all depends on the ghetto blaster. Mine held up well in the open air to a (as mentioned in the post above that you ignored). Plenty of them are of sufficient volume to cover the dance floor area at most small to medium functions.

[rob1963]

It all depends on the ghetto blaster. Mine held up well in the open air to a (as mentioned in the post above that you ignored).

It couldn't have held up THAT well, or you wouldn't have replaced it with a generator & PROPER PA system the following year!

[Corabar Steve]

Actually, as you weren't there, I find it odd that you think that you can comment on how well it held up.

But for your information we decided to go bigger & better each year we did it after that. The last year we did it involved a 1K rig & lights

[CRAZY K]

I have a simple policy. "The show must go on...unless there's a power cut or a flood where I have to carry the gear over picnic tables like Darren did"

In reality, I've never had a power cut in 25 years, so it's unlikely there will be one in the remaining few years before I retire. Also, my terms & conditions have something about this stating that we are not liable for any loss of performance if anything like this happens.

At the end of the day, it's a bit like deciding how much back up equipment to carry. You have to draw the line somewhere & I'm sure most people do NOT carry two full sets of gear to all gigs. Your decision is based on common sense, what has happened in the past and the probability of what you think is likely to happen in the future.

If other people DO think the show must always go on, surely they all carry a generator with them...as this IS adqequate for using in power cuts, whereas as ghetto blaster (in my opinion) is NOT.

After all, with a generator you can play at normal volumes through your normal gear & all your lighting will still be going.

I dont work on the basis that the mains will fail and as I have had ONE mains failure ( one hour duration) in 30 years Im not starting now.

I generally refuse venues with sound limiters.

Interestingly my incident reached the local newspapers as I Called without any PA whilst a lady playing a Piano belted out coming Round the Mountain and a few other Square Dance numbers :D

One advantage of having a foghorn voice nurtured over many years of being Team captain at Football.

CRAZY K
.

[BeerFunk]

Rob, you are very stubborn, you will insist on going down with your ship even if there is a lifeboat ready for you! :D

OK, a ghetto blaster is not ideal, or adequate, I think we'd all agree on that. Having no music is worse than adequate though - surely??

[rob1963]

Rob, you are very stubborn

Spot on.

It's something associated with all Taureans.


you will insist on going down with your ship even if there is a lifeboat ready for you! :D

I can assure you I'll NEVER go down with my ship! :D


OK, a ghetto blaster is not ideal, or adequate

Which is EXACTLY the point I was making!

Nice to see you agree with me. ;)


Having no music is worse than adequate though - surely??

I agree with that, but I've never had no music in 25 years, and am therefore unlikely to in the few remaining years before I retire.

[Corabar Steve]

OK, a ghetto blaster is not ideal, or adequate,

Mine was more than adequate.

[rob1963]

OK, a ghetto blaster is not ideal, or adequate


Mine was more than adequate.

Fair enough, Steve...so we have one person on the forum who's found a ghetto blaster to be MORE than adequate on ONE occasion.

Anyone else?

(I won't hold my breath!)

Edit: Steve, I'd be very interested to know the output power of the ghetto blaster you used.

[Creature]

yep still use cds alongside the cortex - altho since the intro of produb and deleating the mp3s taht i made from my cds find im using the cds around 80% of teh time

[Corabar Steve]

I have no idea (it's old & I don't know where the spec sheet is), but the sound is crystal clear & if you stand infront of it when it's going full throttle you get an effect similar to the old Maxell ads with Pete Murphy.

In other words it's :Censored: loud & more than adequate to cover most small to medium dancefloors.

If mine is, then there must be others (unless I own the loudest ghetto blaster in the world) so it is wrong to dismiss them all out of hand.

[rob1963]

If mine is, then there must be others (unless I own the loudert ghetto blaster in the world) so it is wrong to dismiss them all out of hand.

I'm not dismissing them all out of hand.

In my last post I accepted yours was more than adequate, and also asked if anyone else had had the same experience as you...as I'd be very interested to know.

[Corabar Steve]

I'm not dismissing them all out of hand.

In my last post I accepted yours was more than adequate, and also asked if anyone else had had the same experience as you...as I'd be very interested to know.

I doubt very much if anyone other than Theo has actually taken one with them to a gig.

[rob1963]

I doubt very much if anyone other than Theo has actually taken one with them to a gig.

If that's the case, I'll draw my own conclusions as to the reason for that.

;)

[Corabar Steve]

Nobody else thought of doing it, because they all shared your blinkered opinions as to the performance capabilities of a ghetto blaster?

[rob1963]

Nobody else thought of doing it, because they all shared your blinkered opinions as to the performance capabilities of a ghetto blaster?

Or possibly because they have the common sense to know that 99.99% of the time a ghetto blaster is NOT adequate to use as back up.

Even Beerfunk agreed with me on that one...and he's hardly my biggest fan!

:D

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

On balance, I would say that it's definately better than nothing.

[rob1963]

On balance, I would say that it's definately better than nothing.

Well, in Steve's case, by his own admission it was MORE than adequate for around 100 people.

I do plenty of gigs with no more than 100 people, so maybe I should consider replacing my console, amp & speakers with a ghetto blaster for those gigs.

It would make loading the van & carrying in the gear an absolute doddle, and would also reduce my set-up time from an hour to around ten or fifteen minutes!

*Insert sarcastic smiley here*

:D

[Creature]

there are 3 djs around here taht i know of go out with normal hifi system doing small venues and they seem to have full bookings or maybe thaey just charge accordingly

[BeerFunk]

Even Beerfunk agreed with me on that one...and he's hardly my biggest fan!

:DI agreed that they are not adequate under normal circumstances, I can't say I've heard one loud enough - although I'm sure it's possible. The point I was making is that you would choose to have no music, and a complete disaster of a night, and I would (ideally) choose to have some form of battery operated backup to get through the rest of the night.

And who said I'm not your biggest fan, Rob? I put you right up there with Charlie Chaplin :D

[rob1963]

I agreed that they are not adequate under normal circumstances.

Are you sure about that?

Here is the main part of your post:


OK, a ghetto blaster is not ideal, or adequate, I think we'd all agree on that.

Nothing there about under normal circumstances, unless my newly lasered eyes are failing again already!

As for us all agreeing on that, Steve clearly doesn't!


The point I was making is that you would choose to have no music, and a complete disaster of a night

Correct...along with about 99% of all other DJs!

However, in reality the chances of this happening are probably lower than the chances of me winning the lottery!

I've never had a power cut since I started running mobile discos...which was when you were one year old!


and I would (ideally) choose to have some form of battery operated backup to get through the rest of the night.

So ideally you WOULD choose to have some battery operated, but in reality you DON'T. Is that the case?


And who said I'm not your biggest fan, Rob?

I said you're not my biggest fan...because as far as I'm aware it's true!

:D

[Corabar Steve]

Correct...along with about 99% of all other DJs!

There you go again, pulling percentages out of thin air when you have no facts to back them up.

How did you arrive at that number?

[rob1963]

There you go again, pulling percentages out of thin air when you have no facts to back them up.

How did you arrive at that number?

You don't NEED facts to make a guess at something, which is what I was doing...otherwise it wouldn't be a guess!

My guess was based partly on my experience of the DJs I've seen (none of who were standing up) and partly on common sense. (ie I've seen plenty of people who COULD sit down for their various jobs, but DON'T).

Although it's a guess, I believe it's not a million miles from the ACTUAL figure, but if you can quote any facts which suggest otherwise, I'll be more than happy to admit that my guess was wrong by however much.

:)

[Corabar Steve]

You didn't say anything about it being a guess in the post I quoted & it's not the first time that you've quoted a figure as if it's a fact & then backtracked to say it was a guess ot an estimate.

[rob1963]

You didn't say anything about it being a guess in the post I quoted

I didn't think I had to, as I'd have thought that was fairly obvious...unless of course you know of anywhere where someone can find official figures for the percentage of DJs who stand up!


It's not the first time that you've quoted a figure as if it's a fact & then backtracked to say it was a guess or an estimate.

That's because if I say something unclear which is then queried or pointed out to me, I'm more than happy to either clarify when I meant or admit it if what I've said is shown to be wrong.

As a rough guide for future reference though, if I say "99% of DJs stand up" it's likely to be a guess, but if I say "According to a survey on xxx website 99% of DJs stand up" then it's NOT!

[Corabar Steve]

For the benefit of anyone who hasn't read this thread (of those with short memories)I think it would be better if you put something like "at a guess I would say x% of y do z" just to keep it nice & clear.

[rob1963]

For the benefit of anyone who hasn't read this thread (of those with short memories)I think it would be better if you put something like "at a guess I would say x% of y do z" just to keep it nice & clear.

I'll do my best to make it clearer when I'm making a guess at something in future.

Thanks for pointing that out to me, Steve.

I'm terribly sorry for any inconvenience caused.

[theoloyla]

If that's the case, I'll draw my own conclusions as to the reason for that.

;)

And would you like to tell us what your conclusions are?


Well, in Steve's case, by his own admission it was MORE than adequate for around 100 people.

I do plenty of gigs with no more than 100 people, so maybe I should consider replacing my console, amp & speakers with a ghetto blaster for those gigs.

It would make loading the van & carrying in the gear an absolute doddle, and would also reduce my set-up time from an hour to around ten or fifteen minutes!

*Insert sarcastic smiley here*

:D

Now you ARE being stupid.

[rob1963]

And would you like to tell us what your conclusions are?

No. I've decided to keep them to myself! :p


Now you ARE being stupid.

That's very astute of you, Theo!

[BeerFunk]

I'm more than happy to either clarify when I meant or admit it if what I've said is shown to be wrong.Rob, you never admit it when you're wrong, you simply twist and warp your wording, change direction and avoid direct questions put to you, usually in a patronising manor. It's obviously like a game to you.

[rob1963]

Rob, you never admit it when you're wrong

If that's really what you think, then you clearly don't read all my posts.

There have been a number of occasions when I either got the wrong end of the stick about something or said something which I believed to be correct but was shown to be wrong...and in those cases I have apologised to the persons concerned publicly on the forum.

I can't remember all the details, but I know it's happened several times with Darren (I'm sure he'll remember) and with several other members too.


you simply twist and warp your wording, change direction and avoid direct questions put to you

I don't twist or warp any wording, change direction or avoid direct questions, although I can think of a few people who DO.

If you want to complain about people who warp wording & change direction & avoid direct questions, maybe you should look a little closer to home.

I seem to remember a post from you a day or two back saying that ghetto blasters are inadequete as back up (post #75 in this very thread). Later you did another post (#89) saying that you'd said ghetto blasters were inadequate as back up IN NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES...which you hadn't...and the previous post is still there to prove that!

I even pointed out & asked you about this discrepency in the first half of my post #90, but you avoided my direct question...just like you've accused ME of doing!

Also, having seen the way YOU sometimes respond when your posts are questioned by people, all I can say is that the words pot kettle & black really do come to mind!

If you DO want to see someone who's an expert at avoiding answering direct questions or admitting when they're wrong, try looking in the direction of Barnet.


It's obviously like a game to you.

What complete rubbish...of course it's not a game.

Did you have a bad day or something?

Or did you just think it would be fun to try & wind me up?

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Sorry Rob, but pot, kettle and black.

[rob1963]

Sorry Rob, but pot, kettle and black.

In the case of Beerfunk's comments about me, yes.....pot kettle & black sum him up very nicely!

[Corabar Steve]

If you DO want to see someone who's an expert at avoiding answering direct questions or admitting when they're wrong, try looking in the direction of Barnet. :rofl:

I presume that was directed at me.

To my knowledge I have never avoided answering direct questions & I'm never wrong :sj:

[rob1963]

To my knowledge I have never avoided answering direct questions & I'm never wrong :sj:

Your knowledge clearly isn't very good then.

[theoloyla]

No. I've decided to keep them to myself! :p



That's very astute of you, Theo!

Dont have to be astute to spot when you are being a burke.:)

[BeerFunk]

I seem to remember a post from you a day or two back saying that ghetto blasters are inadequete as back up (post #75 in this very thread). Later you did another post (#89) saying that you'd said ghetto blasters were inadequate as back up IN NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES...which you hadn't...and the previous post is still there to prove that!

I even pointed out & asked you about this discrepency in the first half of my post #90, but you avoided my direct question...just like you've accused ME of doing!The reason I didn't reply Rob, was because your argument was becoming more and more irrelevant and petty, and quite frankly, I couldn't be bothered to reply.

What I meant originally, which I thought was implied anyway, was that in my opinion a ghetto blaster is not an adequate sound system to supply a mobile disco. I did not say it was inadequate as an emergency backup, however, where expectations are obviously lower.

I'm fairly confident everyone else understood my posts, and I suspect even you did - but you decided to twist my words in order to fuel your pointless argument, which everyone else could see was futile.

[rob1963]

The reason I didn't reply Rob, was because your argument was becoming more and more irrelevant and petty, and quite frankly, I couldn't be bothered to reply.

The reason why you didn't reply is completely irrelevant.

The point I was making was that you accused me of not answering direct questions, even though you do exactly the same!


What I meant originally, which I thought was implied anyway, was that in my opinion a ghetto blaster is not an adequate sound system to supply a mobile disco.

Steve would disagree with you on that one, as he posted to say he used one for an outside gig for 100 people which was MORE than adequate!


I'm fairly confident everyone else understood my posts, and I suspect even you did

Since when did you become a mind-reader?


but you decided to twist my words in order to fuel your pointless argument, which everyone else could see was futile.

I didn't twist your words at all...I merely quoted what you actually said, which plainly contradicted what you'd previously said.

[Corabar Steve]

Steve would disagree with you on that one, as he posted to say he used one for an outside gig for 100 people which was MORE than adequate!
Where did I say it was an outside gig?

[rob1963]

Where did I say it was an outside gig?

I can't be bothered to look back through all the posts, Steve, but if it wasn't outside, then I clearly got the wrong end of the stick, for which I apologise.

Either way, it makes little difference to what was being discussed, though.

The fact remains that your ghetto blaster was more than adequate for 100 people.

:)

[Corabar Steve]

It was outside. It wasn't a gig.

It was an impromptu gathering in the campsite at a major music festival that became a regular event to those in the know in the correct campsite.

[rob1963]

It was outside. It wasn't a gig.

It was an impromptu gathering in the campsite at a major music festival that became a regular event to those in the know in the correct campsite.

Ahhhh...so we still haven't found anyone who's used a ghetto blaster AT A GIG which they found to be adequate.

[Corabar Steve]

It held up in a gig-like situation. In fact better than a gig situation as there aren't many gigs that you'd do that would involve a dancefloor of 100 people that is completely open air.

[rob1963]

there aren't many gigs that you'd do that would involve a dancefloor of 100 people that is completely open air.

I can't argue with that!

[BeerFunk]

The reason why you didn't reply is completely irrelevant.I'd say it was fundamentally relevant - if a question doesn't warrant a reply, it won't get one. You have been known to avoid direct questions which cut to the core of the argument, whereas I was avoiding completely pointless questions.


Steve would disagree with you on that one, as he posted to say he used one for an outside gig for 100 people which was MORE than adequate!My opinion is based on my own experience, and as I have never encountered a ghetto blaster with that level of power, then I don't base my opinion on it.

Why did you just post that anyway? Steve's already stated his opinion at least once, which I've read, so there's no need for you to tell me what he posted.


I'm fairly confident everyone else understood my posts, and I suspect even you did
Since when did you become a mind-reader?I said I suspected you understood - how is that mind reading?


I didn't twist your words at all...I merely quoted what you actually said, which plainly contradicted what you'd previously said.There was no contradiction. I merely clarified a term which I thought was implied to mean for general use, as opposed to emergency use.

You aren't half clutching at straws this time Rob.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

You aren't half clutching at straws this time Rob.

Only this time? :D

[leighinstoke]

Carry a CD-Mix2 with me now as main mixer with the CDs bolted in - but usually fed with MAYA soundcard. Just know the CD players are there if I really need them. Spare is Numark CM100 with Citronic CD players.

[rob1963]

You aren't half clutching at straws this time Rob.

I'm not going to argue with you about this any more, Beerfunk.....

.....as I wish to remain the person with the most NON-ARGUMENTITIVE posts on the entire forum!

:p

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I'm not going to argue with you about this any more, Beerfunk.....

.....as I wish to remain the person with the most NON-ARGUMENTITIVE posts on the entire forum!

:p

Too late.

[rob1963]

Too late.

:jawdrop:

[Corabar Steve]

I'm not going to argue with you about this any more, Beerfunk.....

.....as I wish to remain the person with the most NON-ARGUMENTITIVE posts on the entire forum!

:p

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Oh there have been some absolute gems on here over the last few days.

[rob1963]

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Oh there have been some absolute gems on here over the last few days.

I don't know why you're laughing, Steve...as that was a completely serious comment...although I hardly expect you to admit to knowing that!

:D :D :D :D :D

[BeerFunk]

I'm not going to argue with you about this any more, Beerfunk.....

.....as I wish to remain the person with the most NON-ARGUMENTITIVE posts on the entire forum!

:pI'll hazard a guess that you've forgotten what it was you were arguing about.

[rob1963]

I'll hazard a guess that you've forgotten what it was you were arguing about.

I'll have to come back to you on that.

:p

[Corabar Steve]

I don't know why you're laughing, Steve...as that was a completely serious comment...although I hardly expect you to admit to knowing that!

:D :D :D :D :DI know you were serious, that's precisely the reason it's so funny.


It's kind of like Badger saying he has the best taste in music on the forum

[rob1963]

It's kind of like Badger saying he has the best taste in music on the forum

Or like you saying (and I quote) "To my knowledge I have never avoided answering direct questions & I'm never wrong"

:rofl:

[Corabar Steve]

The never wrong bit had a " :sj: " smilie after it, indicating a joke. But as you can't currently view any images I'll let you off with that one.

Where have I not answered direct questions? I await examples & if there are any, I'll do my best to answer them especially for you so your feelings aren't hurt.

BTW, I notice you made no comment about me knowing that it was a serious statement. Regardless it doesn't stop it being hilarious.

[rob1963]

Where have I not answered direct questions?

I can't remember the exact details, but I remember several occasions where a certain forum co-owner has asked you a clear, simple & direct question...but you've come back with a completely irrelevant post which completely avoids answering it, which has lead him to do a post along the lines of "Why can't you answer a simple question, Steve?"

:shrug:

[Corabar Steve]

In that instance (who paid for something) I answered clearly & concisely.

I bought some kit for the company. I physically bought it, I handed over the card, tapped in the PIN, received the goods & it is my name on the card. The payment came from the company account & therefore it was actually paid for by the company. Darren's issue was with the phrase "I bought too much kit" as in it looked like I paid for it out of my own money (which I never stated or intentionally implied) All of which was stated in the thread concerned (NADJ AGM thread or CRS open day / show thread as I recall)

Any others? I'd hate to think that you'd got the wrong end of the stick from any conversations that I'd had with any other forum members.

[rob1963]

In that instance (who paid for something) I answered clearly & concisely.

I bought some kit for the company. I physically bought it, I handed over the card, tapped in the PIN, received the goods & it is my name on the card. The payment came from the company account & therefore it was actually paid for by the company. Darren's issue was with the phrase "I bought too much kit" as in it looked like I paid for it out of my own money (which I never stated or intentionally implied) All of which was stated in the thread concerned (NADJ AGM thread or CRS open day / show thread as I recall)

Any others? I'd hate to think that you'd got the wrong end of the stick from any conversations that I'd had with any other forum members.

Well remembered, Steve. That was one of the occasions I was referring to.

I honestly can't remember details of the others, so we'll have to leave it there, but there have been at least a couple more occasions where someone asked you a specific question & you were evasive.

[Corabar Steve]

I was hoping you could come up with some more, as I'd hate to think I was misrepresenting myself. It can't have been that big an issue to you as you can't remember them.

Ho hum.

[rob1963]

I was hoping you could come up with some more, as I'd hate to think I was misrepresenting myself. It can't have been that big an issue to you as you can't remember them.

Ho hum.

Don't worry...you can be assured I'll let you know if I remember details of any of the others!

:D

Meanwhile, back at the thread...so 9 out of 10 DJs who voted on the poll either have the facility or plan to sort it out.

That's what I would have said if I'd had to guess the figure, so maybe my guesses on some things aren't as far out as some people would suggest! ;)