Unprofessional Dj

[501damian501]

What would you clang label as an unprofessional dj

i.e wallpaper table bloke, unshaved, ect ect

cheers damian

[rob1963]

What would you clang label as an unprofessional dj

i.e wallpaper table bloke, unshaved, ect ect

cheers damian

Here's ten for starters:

1) Digital DJs with no produb licence.
2) DJs who arrive late.
3) DJs with insufficient/inappropriate equipment.
4) DJs who do not play requests (especially those from the client).
5) DJs who are not registered with HMRC & don't pay tax.
6) DJs who dress inappropriately (eg t shirt & jeans at a wedding).
7) DJs who don't have paperwork but just take details on the phone & turn up on the night.
8) DJs with a poor or very limited music selection.
9) DJs who are not well-groomed.
10) DJs with no respect for the client.

I haven't mentioned a couple of things beginning with P, as I don't want to start all the usual arguments!

[Ryu]

Here's ten for starters:

1) Digital DJs with no produb licence.
2) DJs who arrive late.
3) DJs with insufficient/inappropriate equipment.
4) DJs who do not play requests (especially those from the client).
5) DJs who are not registered with HMRC & don't pay tax.
6) DJs who dress inappropriately (eg t shirt & jeans at a wedding).
7) DJs who don't have paperwork but just take details on the phone & turn up. on the night.
8) DJs with a poor or very limited music selection.
9) DJs who are not well-groomed.
10) DJs with no respect for the client.

I haven't mentioned a couple of things beginning with P, as I don't want to start all the usual arguments!


Well 1 out of 10 isn't bad.....Soon to be 0 out 10

[rob1963]

Well 1 out of 10 isn't bad.....Soon to be 0 out 10

Can you elaborate?

[Ryu]

Nope! :D

In my opinion its the least important of the 10...

[rob1963]

Can you elaborate?


Nope! :D

In my opinion its the least important of the 10...

Fair enough!

I made no mention of which ones I thought were the most or least important though.

If I did it would probably cause all sorts of arguments, so I'm not going there!

[Steve the DJ]

What would you clang label as an unprofessional dj...

What is a "clang label"?

[rob1963]

What is a "clang label"?

I think he means clan, as in fellow members of the Mobile Disco Directory forum.

[Steve the DJ]

Could be "gang" I suppose...

By the way, I agree with everything Rob said.

[CRAZY K]

Here's ten for starters:

1) Digital DJs with no produb licence.
2) DJs who arrive late.
3) DJs with insufficient/inappropriate equipment.
4) DJs who do not play requests (especially those from the client).
5) DJs who are not registered with HMRC & don't pay tax.
6) DJs who dress inappropriately (eg t shirt & jeans at a wedding).
7) DJs who don't have paperwork but just take details on the phone & turn up on the night.
8) DJs with a poor or very limited music selection.
9) DJs who are not well-groomed.
10) DJs with no respect for the client.

I haven't mentioned a couple of things beginning with P, as I don't want to start all the usual arguments!

Does no headphones start with P ?

Its a bit early for me at the moment :D :D :D

CRAZY K

[Ryu]

Fair enough!

I made no mention of which ones I thought were the most or least important though.

If I did it would probably cause all sorts of arguments, so I'm not going there!

Let me put it this way...Least important at the moment. And, as mentioned, its soon to be fixed.

I am of course, presentable, groomed, have an extensive library of tracks, take requests, am professional, Reliable, Timely, pay tax, respect my clients and have paperwork ;)

[Dragonfly]

8) DJs with a poor or very limited music selection.


I haven't mentioned a couple of things beginning with P, as I don't want to start all the usual arguments!


I personally would alter that to DJs with prior knowledge who take on a gig with an insufficiant amount or incorrect type of music as specified by the clients .

i started with about 100 cds my first gig was a mates 18th i had all the requests and played the right music for him and if we say limited music we may judge newbies as being pants.

[A1DL]

Does no headphones start with P ?




isn't that covered by point (3), Alan?

[theoloyla]

Here's ten for starters:

1) Digital DJs with no produb licence.
2) DJs who arrive late.
3) DJs with insufficient/inappropriate equipment.
4) DJs who do not play requests (especially those from the client).
5) DJs who are not registered with HMRC & don't pay tax.
6) DJs who dress inappropriately (eg t shirt & jeans at a wedding).
7) DJs who don't have paperwork but just take details on the phone & turn up on the night.
8) DJs with a poor or very limited music selection.
9) DJs who are not well-groomed.
10) DJs with no respect for the client.

I haven't mentioned a couple of things beginning with P, as I don't want to start all the usual arguments!

Rob is right!:) :agree:

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

You could probably mention health and safety too.

[CRAZY K]

isn't that covered by point (3), Alan?

Not in my opinion Tony

Its a a subject of its own

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

CRAZY K

[A1DL]

Not in my opinion Tony

Its a a subject of its own



really Alan? :confused:

surely forgetting or knowingly omitting to take a piece or pieces of equipment that are required to carry out the job, falls into the category of "unprofessional".

without headphones, how can a DJ find the correct start points for a track and (even in the unlikely event that the start point for EVERY track he/she will play has been preset and can be retrieved), how can the DJ accurately adjust the gain pot for the incoming track just using meters?

please explain!

[501damian501]

easy, put ya fingers over part of it, untill their matched, also i use headphones to make sure ive got the right track, the dam writing on these cds is so small in a dark funcation i can just read it, maybe i need glasses or another gooseneck light, cheers

[soundtracker]

funcation? elucidate please?

[A1DL]

easy, put your fingers over part of it, until they are matched

what do you put your fingers over?
(I've translated for you)

[rob1963]

Am I hallucinating, or have two people agreed with me in the same thread?

:D :D :D

[soundtracker]

Am I hallucinating, or have two people agreed with me in the same thread?

:D :D :D

Don't worry Rob, I still think you're a prat!

[A1DL]

Am I hallucinating, or have two people agreed with me in the same thread?

:D :D :D


are you agreeing for or against headphones, Rob? ;)

[CRAZY K]

really Alan? :confused:

surely forgetting or knowingly omitting to take a piece or pieces of equipment that are required to carry out the job, falls into the category of "unprofessional".

without headphones, how can a DJ find the correct start points for a track and (even in the unlikely event that the start point for EVERY track he/she will play has been preset and can be retrieved), how can the DJ accurately adjust the gain pot for the incoming track just using meters?

please explain!

Dont worry Tony, some of us can operate perfectly well like this--mainly because my market is not mainstream Disco-I really mustnt bore you with this:zip:

CRAZY K

[rob1963]

Don't worry Rob, I still think you're a prat!

At least SOMEONE here is normal!


are you agreeing for or against headphones, Rob? ;)

Headphones?

What are headphones?

;)

[501damian501]

its simple you dont need headphones to use the gain, just read your input/output levels its what they their for, cheers

[Excalibur]

Don't worry Rob, I still think you're a prat!

So do I. Reassuring to know, isn't it Rob. :D

Edit: One out of ten also.

[A1DL]

its simple you dont need headphones to use the gain, just read your input/output levels its what they are there for

You're missing the point - you often DON'T want to PFL to the level of the first few bars, unless you're riding the faders all night.

[rob1963]

Don't worry Rob, I still think you're a prat!


So do I. Reassuring to know, isn't it Rob. :D


A prat maybe, but a prat who's good enough & clever enough to make a good living from the entertainment industry without the need for a daytime job ;)

[Excalibur]

A prat maybe, but a prat who's good enough & clever enough to make a good living from the entertainment industry without the need for a daytime job ;)

Ah yes, but as has been posted more than once on here, that's because you live in the affluent South East, where the streets are paved with gold. :sofa:

[rob1963]

Ah yes, but as has been posted more than once on here, that's because you live in the affluent South East, where the streets are paved with gold. :sofa:

:rofl:

[CRAZY K]

Ah yes, but as has been posted more than once on here, that's because you live in the affluent South East, where the streets are paved with gold. :sofa:

I would say probably second hand reclaimed paving slabs since the credit crunch:cool:

CRAZY K

[wensleydale]

A prat maybe, but a prat who's good enough & clever enough to make a good living from the entertainment industry without the need for a daytime job ;)

does that mean that those of us with daytime job are not clever enough to do it then rob?

[rob1963]

Not necessarily, but it seems the main reason stopping many part-timers quitting their day jobs is the fact that they couldn't get enough work or earn enough from the entertainment industry.

If that's not true, I'll be happy for someone to correct me, though.

:)

[wensleydale]

Not necessarily, but it seems the main reason stopping many part-timers quitting their day jobs is the fact that they couldn't get enough work or earn enough from the entertainment industry.

If that's not true, I'll be happy for someone to correct me, though.

:)

Maybe, although I genuinely dont think I would want to DJ full time.
The money is obiously a major factor but I've never got to a stage where I have seriously calulcated revenue from DJing if I went full time (not in any more detail than 2x£500 x50 weeks anyway).

Getting back on topic I couldnt do it full time as I dont shave often enough and dress inappropriately for events.

[spin mobile disco]

Here's ten for starters:

1) Digital DJs with no produb licence.
2) DJs who arrive late.
3) DJs with insufficient/inappropriate equipment.
4) DJs who do not play requests (especially those from the client).
5) DJs who are not registered with HMRC & don't pay tax.
6) DJs who dress inappropriately (eg t shirt & jeans at a wedding).
7) DJs who don't have paperwork but just take details on the phone & turn up on the night.
8) DJs with a poor or very limited music selection.
9) DJs who are not well-groomed.
10) DJs with no respect for the client.

I haven't mentioned a couple of things beginning with P, as I don't want to start all the usual arguments!

Would agree with all that apart from number 1 . It is possible to be a digital Dj without a produb licence. Produb is only required if changing of format is required. i.e cd to digital or modification of digital format to another format aac - mp3 for example.
But if you were to buy music without media rights on it. And didnt have to change format to use it surely a pro dub licence would not be required. As to Dub is to modify but no modification would be required.
I know a cd dj switching and intending to use cd's that are then ripped to mp3 for example would require a licence.
And if he had ripped track before licence was bought into force he still wouldnt require it as law says no licence or law can be back dated from date of instigation.
Although copyright restrictions would still be in effect.

May be wrong but thats how it seems to read anyway.

[rob1963]

Getting back on topic I couldnt do it full time as I dont shave often enough and dress inappropriately for events.

Rich,

I wouldn't let the first one worry you.

These days, I only shave once a week...on a Friday if I have a disco on a Friday.....or on a Saturday if I have a disco on the Saturday!

:D :D :D :D :D

Edit: Also, you say you don't think you'd want to DJ full time. Neither would I. That's why I also present pub quiz nights.

[Daryll]

Good topic.

now lets see.


1) Digital DJs with no produb licence.
Alas not yet but hopefully before the end of october
2) DJs who arrive late.
Never a problem for me, usually far to early
3) DJs with insufficient/inappropriate equipment.
I think my equipment is ok for about 200 people , lighting can be scaled up or down (up to 10 effects) any bigger then I would hire in
4) DJs who do not play requests (especially those from the client).
I rely on clients to give me requests , at leat that means someone is happy :D
5) DJs who are not registered with HMRC & don't pay tax.
I informed the revenue after I started , as I used to be self employed, they just carried on with the self assessment
6) DJs who dress inappropriately (eg t shirt & jeans at a wedding).
Never... black trousers , either a black of white shirt with contrasting bow tie
7) DJs who don't have paperwork but just take details on the phone & turn up on the night.
Always send the client a copy of T&C and a copy of the booking
8) DJs with a poor or very limited music selection.
It amazes me, with 15000 tracks, someone always asks for something i don't have :bang:
9) DJs who are not well-groomed.
Shower and a dash of Lynx ;)
10) DJs with no respect for the client.
They pay my wages , I will try my hardest to accommodate thier whishes

Daryll

[Tony Scott]

DJ's who sit down!!!:eek:.......probably 'cat amongst the pigeons' time??!! :D :D

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

DJ's who sit down!!!:eek:.......probably 'cat amongst the pigeons' time??!! :D :D

How is that unprofessional then?

[Tony Scott]

How is that unprofessional then?


Ok maybe it's not unprofessional but IMHO it looks a bit lazy......like the DJ can't be bovered! As I said, just my opinion but it really really bugs me, always has!

[One Vision]

DJ's who sit down!!!:eek:.......probably 'cat amongst the pigeons' time??!! :D :D

:eek: after working all day then unloading, setting up then working again for 3-4 hours before pulling back down and loading :Censored: right ill be sitting down, on one of these behind the decks :D

http://i16.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/f2/03/f401_1.JPG

[Tony Scott]

[QUOTE=KARL-D;271339]:eek: after working all day then unloading, setting up then working again for 3-4 hours before pulling back down and loading :Censored: right ill be sitting down, on one of these behind the decks :D

Nah you need one of these: :D

[One Vision]

That's even better, I wouldn't need any toilet breaks

[A1DL]

Ok maybe it's not unprofessional but IMHO it looks a bit lazy......like the DJ can't be bovered! As I said, just my opinion but it really really bugs me, always has!

agreed Tony.

sitting down whilst playing background music during a meal is one thing, but sitting down in front of a full dancefloor is a complete no-no.

[rob1963]

agreed Tony.

sitting down whilst playing background music during a meal is one thing, but sitting down in front of a full dancefloor is a complete no-no.

I agree with that.

I always sit down when the background music is playing, but would NEVER sit down once I'd started the gig properly (unless I felt unwell).

[One Vision]

agreed Tony.

sitting down whilst playing background music during a meal is one thing, but sitting down in front of a full dancefloor is a complete no-no.

It what way is it wrong :confused:

[A1DL]

It what way is it wrong :confused:

Tony Scott hit the nail on the head - it looks lazy.

The visual presentation of the show is enhanced by a "busy" DJ - reading the dancefloor, getting into the music, finding and cueing CDs, leaning over the booth to talk to guests, noting requests, working the lightshow, etc...

Someone sitting at a PC keyboard looks more like a secretary than a DJ.

[One Vision]

All my kit is within a 4` stand so is easy to reach, I wouldn't be sat down all night just every so often to take the load of.

[Tony Scott]

I've just got this picture in my head of Brian Potter from Phoenix Nights DJing in his wheelchair....."it's the future that is!" :D :D

[kilmeedyman]

Well even with my disability I manage to stand completely throughout for about 90% of my gigs.

There are just some occasions when I can do nothing else but rest for a moment.

You're quite correct, though, as I couldn't possibly get the beats right for mixing unless standing - ahh, oh no, of course - I can use my headphones. in fact I do! Yay!!

Shame on you lot.

[Shaun]

Tony Scott hit the nail on the head - it looks lazy.

The visual presentation of the show is enhanced by a "busy" DJ - reading the dancefloor, getting into the music, finding and cueing CDs, leaning over the booth to talk to guests, noting requests, working the lightshow, etc...

Someone sitting at a PC keyboard looks more like a secretary than a DJ.

What if the DJ is in a wheelchair? I know a DJ local to me who is in a wheelchair after being paralysed in a car accident, I've heard he provides a fantastic show. The fact that he's sitting down doesn't one iota of difference.

That reminds me, I'll post the article about him soon. Inspirational guy. He happens to be a member of the forum too.

[PropellerHeadCase]

Ah yes, but as has been posted more than once on here, that's because you live in the affluent South East, where the streets are paved with gold. :sofa:

I can assure you that the effluent south east is paved with chewing gum. At least that's my experience ;)



Nah you need one of these: :D

Punter: "Your music's crap!... Oh! Ah, I see."



It what way is it wrong :confused:

Anything you can do to make DJing look like a performance is a good thing - much of the reason behind the iPod brigade is the belief that we DJs "just push play", if you're obviously busy (and preferably boogying, too), this should minimise these sort of detrimental comments.

[A1DL]

What if the DJ is in a wheelchair?

Then no issue whatsoever, it's all about customer perception, and this would be accepted by 99% of the public, in fact admired that the guy can still go out and do a job like this.

A totally different scenario to someone with able limbs who choses to be sat down all night like a VDU operator.

[Corabar Steve]

I would say probably second hand reclaimed paving slabs since the credit crunch:cool:

CRAZY K

Do you have any idea how much architectural salvage goes for these days?

Better than paved with gold!

[Tony Scott]

What if the DJ is in a wheelchair?


Totally different set of circumstances..........total respect to him for doing it. :approve:

[Dragonfly]

DJ's who sit down!!!:eek:.......probably 'cat amongst the pigeons' time??!! :D :D


Then no issue whatsoever, it's all about customer perception, and this would be accepted by 99% of the public, in fact admired that the guy can still go out and do a job like this.

A totally different scenario to someone with able limbs who choses to be sat down all night like a VDU operator.

fantastically narrow minded views that has made this industry and indeed this country and world the fantastic place it is to be , excellent that djs are now apparently neurologists who are able to instantly diagnose whether people have issues with their lower limbs that means the cannot stand for long periods of times ........ oh are we back to the assumptions thing again .... suprise suprise the unexpected hits you between the eyes!!!


djs who sit unprofessional ........ djs who assume an individual has the ability to stand for a 4-5 hour period based on no knowledge of that person whatsoever or of medical issues in general just that they in some way feel they have the right to assess !!!!!! ....... i know which i consider the bigger failing :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

[Dragonfly]

Totally different set of circumstances..........total respect to him for doing it. :approve:


yeah we have a special set of rules for the crips hey !!!! sorry but this point makes me turn green rip my clothes and roar like simba !!!!

there are many disabilities in this world that mean people cannot stand for long periods and are not in wheelchairs i guess people with arthritis and some forms of cp are just lazy :Censored: hey? i suggest some people educate themselves before passing judgement on others on such a ridiculous thing !!! ok if a dj is just sitting because he wants to ........ personally i see that it matters :Censored: all!! but to assume that you are in some way qualified to pass comment on individuals who you may just see and not know anything about is in my mind offensive and 100% UNPROFESSIONAL rude and exceptionally self rightious!!!

[rob1963]

What if the DJ is in a wheelchair? I know a DJ local to me who is in a wheelchair after being paralysed in a car accident, I've heard he provides a fantastic show. The fact that he's sitting down doesn't one iota of difference.


Then no issue whatsoever, it's all about customer perception, and this would be accepted by 99% of the public, in fact admired that the guy can still go out and do a job like this.

A totally different scenario to someone with able limbs who choses to be sat down all night like a VDU operator.

Exactly.

Some recent posts have suggested that sitting down is unprofessional because it looks lazy, and I completely agree with this.

However, to suggest that people would look at a DJ in a wheelchair & say "That DJ is lazy...because he's in a wheelchair" is, quite frankly, absurd.

How on earth can you compare a DJ who is in a wheelchair because he has no other option with an able bodied DJ who decides to sit down just because he can't be bothered to stand?

:shrug:

[CRAZY K]

Do you have any idea how much architectural salvage goes for these days?

Better than paved with gold!

No but you obviously do Steve--

I wasnt aware reclaimed slabs from the mean streets of London were so valuable--years ago it was a joke if you couldnt afford paving slabs from B and Q the Council were flogging them at giveaway prices--any colour long as you want plain:D

CRAZY K

[Dragonfly]

How on earth can you compare a DJ who is in a wheelchair because he has no other option with an able bodied DJ who decides to sit down just because he can't be bothered to stand?

:shrug:

and how can you EASILY tell the difference ... think about it before replying " the wheelchair has wheels on it " please.

[CRAZY K]

agreed Tony.

sitting down whilst playing background music during a meal is one thing, but sitting down in front of a full dancefloor is a complete no-no.

I dont have a problem personally in this area---but surely the most important issue with a DJ is what comes out the speakers (music and chat) and if they can get people involved and dancing ( or not )

Its easy for a DJ to keep going through boxes of CDS piled to the ceiling--which happened 2 weeks ago--doesnt mean hes any use at his job--

CRAZY K

[soundtracker]

Exactly.

Some recent posts have suggested that sitting down is unprofessional because it looks lazy, and I completely agree with this.

How on earth can you compare a DJ who is in a wheelchair because he has no other option with an able bodied DJ who decides to sit down just because he can't be bothered to stand?

:shrug:

I have an arthritic hip, with a metal plate and a casing on the end of my ball-joint, which can cause a lot of pain if I stand for too long, I also until recently had a bucket-handle tear in the cartiledge of my opposite knee, which caused it to lock without warning, and again caused major pain if I stood too long. Neither of these problems is visible, so according to Mr High and mighty, I am officially diagnosed as lazy and un-professional if I happen to NEED to sit down at any point whilst working. This is complete and utter:Rob James: :BS: and shows complete ignorance on your part.

[A1DL]

I dont have a problem personally in this area---but surely the most important issue with a DJ is what comes out the speakers (music and chat) and if they can get people involved and dancing ( or not )

Its easy for a DJ to keep going through boxes of CDS piled to the ceiling--which happened 2 weeks ago--doesnt mean hes any use at his job--

CRAZY K


I agree with you on both points Alan, however I also firmly believe (having heard it from so many customers who are very certain about what they want and don't want) that the visual presentation and ambience is enhanced by having a "busy" DJ. If I had £1 for every time a customer has said "I don't want someone who will sit in front of a computer all night, because that's not a proper disco", then I'd be rich.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I If I had £1 for every time a customer has said "I don't want someone who will sit in front of a computer all night, because that's not a proper disco", then I'd be rich.

Very strange that. I have never had one single person say that to me. What question are you asking to get that responce Tony?

I am sure that people wouldn't generally come out with comments like that. I don't think I've ever had a question about playback systems and whether the DJ is going to look busy or not.

[soundtracker]

Very strange that. I have never had one single person say that to me. What question are you asking to get that responce Tony?

I am sure that people wouldn't generally come out with comments like that. I don't think I've ever had a question about playback systems and whether the DJ is going to look busy or not.

Nor I

[Dragonfly]

I agree with you on both points Alan, however I also firmly believe (having heard it from so many customers who are very certain about what they want and don't want) that the visual presentation and ambience is enhanced by having a "busy" DJ. If I had £1 for every time a customer has said "I don't want someone who will sit in front of a computer all night, because that's not a proper disco", then I'd be rich.


If I had a quid for every time a bride , groom , mother in law had brought a chair over to me and said we think you should sit down you look like you are struggling/in pain (obviously not something i try to do) so would I . :D :D :D :D

If someone is suffering discomfort it will become apparent to those around them and in turn alter their enjoyment and experience.

so a sitting dj cannot look busy???? i don't know about anyone else but i have a frontage covering my stand so no one could possibly see whether i was sitting standing or indeed naked from the waist down !!! which again makes the whole argument rudiculous.

[rob1963]

and how can you EASILY tell the difference ... think about it before replying " the wheelchair has wheels on it " please.


I have an arthritic hip, with a metal plate and a casing on the end of my ball-joint, which can cause a lot of pain if I stand for too long, I also until recently had a bucket-handle tear in the cartiledge of my opposite knee, which caused it to lock without warning, and again caused major pain if I stood too long. Neither of these problems is visible, so according to Mr High and mighty, I am officially diagnosed as lazy and un-professional if I happen to NEED to sit down at any point whilst working. This is complete and utter:Rob James: :BS: and shows complete ignorance on your part.

I think you guys are missing my point.

It's all about peoples PERCEPTION based on what they SEE...which can often be different to the actual situation.

In other words, let's say a DJ is disabled & unable to stand for long periods of time. If people see them sitting down for half the night, many would simply think they were lazy...as they probably wouldn't know about the disability.

However, if a DJ is in a wheelchair, NOBODY would look at them & think they were lazy...because it would be blatantly obvious from the wheelchair that they were unable to stand or walk (unless the DJ happened to be Andy from Little Britain!).

[Jay]

I think I know what A1DL means, my mum came home the other night from the school prom that she went to and said, "the disco wasnt very good, the guy just sat behind of a laptop all night" and that was before I asked how it went

[Dragonfly]

I think you guys are missing my point.

It's all about peoples PERCEPTION based on what they SEE...which can often be different to the actual situation.


indeed Rob it is quite wrong of a person to just make an assumption isn't it? ;)

exactly what is the point Rob that we are missing????????????

Soundtracker and myself should get a wheelchair to take to gigs so cretins with low educational standards don't get the wrong idea???


..........................

Soundtracker mate in accordance with new professionalism guidelines please print out the following and wear with pride at your next gig !! :D :D :D

[A1DL]

so a sitting dj cannot look busy???? i don't know about anyone else but i have a frontage covering my stand so no one could possibly see whether i was sitting standing or indeed naked from the waist down !!! which again makes the whole argument rudiculous.

Dave, the argument is not ridiculous because it is about customer perception, which has to be taken seriously.

I accept that not all disabilities are immediately apparent and that a DJ with a disability is perfectly capable of doing just as good a job as a fully able-bodied DJ, and that to remain comfortable he/she may need to be seated.

Getting back to the original point, if you take an able bodied DJ, no disabilities, no wheelchairs....should he be on his backside all night just because he is tired/lazy/whatever? Personally, I say NO!

[pagan_flame]

Not necessarily, but it seems the main reason stopping many part-timers quitting their day jobs is the fact that they couldn't get enough work or earn enough from the entertainment industry.

I am indeed a 'part timer', working mostly Saturdays. I have a 'day job' - Driving Instructor.

Now if I did Instructing only, I would have to work 6 -7 days a week to make a decent living; plenty around here do that and burn out fairly quickly - the pupil gets a sub standard lesson as the Instructor is so tired.

If I did DJing only, I'd have to be out 3-4 nights a week to make it pay the same amount; and as my wife works 'regular' hours, I'd never get to see her.

Combining the two gives me the flexibility I need (i.e. I can take any day off that I want to if I have a gig, as it's me that stipulates when I work) without having to work 3-4 nights / 6-7 days a week to make a decent living --- and still have most of the weekend free to spend with my wife.

Strangely, my wife insists that, since I am not fulltime, I am not a Professional DJ (as I advertise on my cards) --- despite having a 0/10 score on the original list at the top of this thread. And along with my 4ft deck stand, laptop, SRM 450 lean mean grilling machines and halogen lights - Now where did I leave my ten gallon hat? ;)

[Dragonfly]

Getting back to the original point, if you take an able bodied DJ, no disabilities, no wheelchairs....should he be on his backside all night just because he is tired/lazy/whatever? Personally, I say NO!


And my point ..... can you tell the difference and are you in any way qualified to make that judgement call..........NO !!! I reiterate the argument is ridiculous !! It is about perception which we as a responsible society should evaluate and change if need be :

women should stay at home and make babies
women should not do jobs that men do
black people are second class citizens


all past perceptions that are completely wrong archaic and ridiculous i am sure every sensible person will agree.

[A1DL]

Very strange that. I have never had one single person say that to me. What question are you asking to get that responce Tony?

No question from our part, Daz. At the enquiry stage, customers will sometimes say along the lines of, "I don't want a DJ who will sit behind a PC screen all night" or "At a party I went to last month, the DJ was sat at his computer and didn't get involved with the crowd" etc.



I don't think I've ever had a question about playback systems and whether the DJ is going to look busy or not.

Quite often customers ask about playback systems on conference calls, particularly if they want to bring track/s of their own along, so they know what format/s are acceptable/preferred.

[Dragonfly]

No question from our part, Daz. At the enquiry stage, customers will sometimes say along the lines of, "I don't want a DJ who will sit behind a PC screen all night" or "At a party I went to last month, the DJ was sat at his computer and didn't get involved with the crowd" etc.


so someone who is sat down cannot get involved with the crowd ?????...... the hole gets deeper .........welcome people to 1880.

[A1DL]

And my point ..... can you tell the difference ..........NO !!!


Wrong Dave, and there's no need to shout at me.

Anyone on the dancefloor (guests with eyesight disbilities possibly excluded) can tell if the DJ is sat down in one place or moving about.

[Dragonfly]

Wrong Dave, and there's no need to shout at me.

Anyone on the dancefloor (guests with eyesight disbilities possibly excluded) can tell if the DJ is sat down in one place or moving about.

having 30 years of disability ........ wrong mate sorry ..... very wrong and that is indeed the root of my problem with this ridiculous notion.

no interaction i concede imo is a sin but sitting ..... nah makes not one iota of difference.

[PropellerHeadCase]

Dave, I understand your point but, to re-use an old phrase 'perception is reality', people will make an assumption based on first impressions and seldom bother to look into it further because humans are, for the most part, lazy. The answer must be to have a fully pimped out wheel chair even if you don't really need it :D Hey, it could be worse, you could have a New Zealand accent and then everyone assumes that you have carnal knowledge of 20+ sheep.

[A1DL]

having 30 years of disability ........ wrong mate sorry ..... very wrong and that is indeed the root of my problem with this ridiculous notion.

In your eyes, Dave, maybe. Perhaps I've got it all wrong. My company only deals with circa 4,000 unique customers/potential customers every year and between us in this office we only speak to around 30 customers every day and 40 DJs many times each week, all about detailed aspects of their functions. Perhaps that doesn't qualify me to comment on customer perception.

[A1DL]

Hey, it could be worse, you could have a New Zealand accent and then everyone assumes that you have carnal knowledge of 20+ sheep.

any if you have a Welsh accent, Alan? :p

[Dragonfly]

Dave, I understand your point but, to re-use an old phrase 'perception is reality', people will make an assumption based on first impressions and seldom bother to look into it further because humans are, for the most part, lazy. The answer must be to have a fully pimped out wheel chair even if you don't really need it :D Hey, it could be worse, you could have a New Zealand accent and then everyone assumes that you have carnal knowledge of 20+ sheep.


That i agree with Alan totally but refer you to my post 73 . it is exceptionally unhelpful when we have fellow professionals in 2008 who are still holding these archaic out dated views , as a profession we should not just be putting number 11 on the unprofessional list as djs who sit down !!

I take it these people would not employ myself or soundtracker on this basis ? might be worth a go ??? could do with a few quid at the moment from an equal opps suit.

all im saying is in this day where equal opportunities is absolutely massive someone sitting down should not in any way shape or form label them unprofessional and im genuinely disgusted that some people genuinely believe it does !!(unless of course its fernando torres in the 63rd minute at Anfield)

[Dragonfly]

In your eyes, Dave, maybe. Perhaps I've got it all wrong. My company only deals with circa 4,000 unique customers/potential customers every year and between us in this office we only speak to around 30 customers every day and 40 DJs many times each week, all about detailed aspects of their functions. Perhaps that doesn't qualify me to comment on customer perception.


of course it does but it in no way means you have to be sheep like in your acceptance and following of it does it surely?? breaking down barriers? removing obstacles? together we can make a change?

[A1DL]

of course it does but it in no way means you have to be sheep like in your acceptance and following of it does it surely?? breaking down barriers? removing obstacles? together we can make a change?

Dave - I am not sheep like, however I don't go to work each day to lead a crusade, break down barriers, or whatever you want to call it.

My main focus is to deliver excellence in customer service. To do this successfully, being in touch with customer perceptions and expectations is of fundamental importance. I can place hand on heart and confidently state that if the DJs at all of our functions last weekend were seated all night, we would have received customer complaints on Monday morning. Fact.

[Dragonfly]

My main focus is to deliver excellence in customer service. To do this successfully, being in touch with customer perceptions and expectations is of fundamental importance. I can place hand on heart and confidently state that if the DJs at all of our functions last weekend were seated all night, we would have received customer complaints on Monday morning. Fact.

we will agree to disagree although it cannot possibly be FACT as it didn't happen????? so it can surely at best be ..... probable?? perceptions are only changed once they are challenged imo which yep takes gones of steel which not everybody has or wants to do fully understandable if it aint broke don't fix it and don't upset the apple cart.

just nipping to asda to call them all lazy arse wenches for sitting down on the job at the checkout :D :D :D :D

[A1DL]

we will agree to disagree although it cannot possibly be FACT as it didn't happen????? so it can surely at best be ..... probable?? perceptions are only changed once they are challenged imo which yep takes gones of steel which not everybody has or wants to do fully understandable if it aint broke don't fix it and don't upset the apple cart.

just nipping to asda to call them all lazy arse wenches for sitting down on the job at the checkout :D :D :D :D

you're beginning to sound like our absent friend Clifford with all those question marks.

the till operators (or "wenches" as you describe them) are best seated to do their job. have a look at the shelf fillers though...

[soundtracker]

Just as clarification, and so that I am not labelled as "unprofessionaL" I do work standing up, despite my status as a cripple. This is nothing to do with anyones perception, just what I prefer to do. My good friend however, who due to severe knee problems always sits, is one of the busiest and most successful DJs in South/Mid Wales, working on average 3+ nights a week, he has no problem relating to an audience, because he's a good DJ. So perhaps, as usual, these fanciful preconceptions are in the minds of DJs.

[A1DL]

So perhaps, as usual, these fanciful preconceptions are in the minds of DJs.

Customers Pete, not DJs. I thought I'd explained that in post #79 :confused:

[spin mobile disco]

Personally i do a lot of dinner dances where i am expected to DJ for 7 hour streches without break. The first 2 -3 hours of the gig is the main meal and drinks reception. And to be frank in most cases I sit down for this.
As I have found the last thing the guests want is a DJ on prominent view during their meal ( we may put them off the food :) )
As such I sit during the meal and only stand to DJ as the coffee and bicuits are served. As this is when I normally introduce myself and get on with rest of evening.
I have sat in an evening before but normally ony when working with a band on their set or if I am feeling unwell (3 january bookings last year I had toncilitus with flu as well not fun, but I did have to sit it was that or fall over)
Nothing wrong with sitting in some situations and as long as you look busy I do not think anyone minds most of the time.
All DJ's are different, people want different things from each of us. And if we were all the same the industry would be in a very poor state indeed. Some people want raves others just want a quiet time with friends to catch up on chat etc. Each situation is different and generalisations are not really applicable to our type of job. Simply to many variables.

best comment I can make is , if you feel comfortable with how you do things then by all means do it that way. If you do not feel comfortable with it for whatever reason then find out why and change it.
We should offer opinions only, not dictate to others what we think they should do or be.

[soundtracker]

Customers Pete, not DJs. I thought I'd explained that in post #79 :confused:

Customers don't seem to mind, as long as they are given a good time!( my attention span is insufficient to read all of it!):)

[Corabar Steve]

Right, time for me to chip in.

Those of you who have met me would all agree that to see me nothing appears to be wrong with me. Appearances can be deceptive.

I suffer from back problems & my ankles have a deformity that means my shins are twisted from the parallel that they should be giving me weak knees that some times give out with very little warning (although I can usually feel it coming on in time to avoid accidents).

Now, I stand when DJing most of the time due do ease of operation (I can reach the controls much easier than if seated). However, I have been known to use a pile of flightcases & lids or the occasional bar stool to sit on. These have been high enough for me to reach everything & only take a couple of inches off of my total height. Also when I was doing one of my old club nights I always sat as there was a high office type chair with foot rails in the DJ booth & everything was within reach from it (CD players, Turntables, Mixer, Light Controls, CDs & records) I doubt if anyone has even noticed & certainly nobody has ever commented.

The last time I sat for any length of time at a gig was one I did for a mate of Darren's, I wonder if he has said anything to Darren about the DJ looking unprofessional, or as I suspect neither noticed or cared.

One thing though, I wonder if there is any difference in the perception of a seated DJ on a high stool or whatever at equipment that is on a pro DJ stand at a height that could be mistaken for standing, compared to one sat on little more than a dining chair at a trestle table with his kit on that?

[Javlingames]

I think if I saw a DJ sitting down my first impression would be unprofessional, but as always the proof is in the pudding, if he did a great job then you realise that he is actually profosseional and must have some kind of disability. I never sit down, but I am a healthy 28 year old with no back problems or any such like, at the moment!! who knows whats round the corner.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

The last time I sat for any length of time at a gig was one I did for a mate of Darren's, I wonder if he has said anything to Darren about the DJ looking unprofessional, or as I suspect neither noticed or cared.

One thing though, I wonder if there is any difference in the perception of a seated DJ on a high stool or whatever at equipment that is on a pro DJ stand at a height that could be mistaken for standing, compared to one sat on little more than a dining chair at a trestle table with his kit on that?

I'd probably be taller if I sat on a high stool..:sj:

And no, no-one mentioned anything Steve. (apart from the usual, "who was that hippy you sent to the booking?" ) :D :D

[Tony Scott]

DJ's who sit down!!!:eek:.......probably 'cat amongst the pigeons' time??!! :D :D


Ok maybe it's not unprofessional but IMHO it looks a bit lazy......like the DJ can't be bovered! As I said, just my opinion but it really really bugs me, always has!

Well that did put the cat amongst the pigeons didn't it?

It's the Lazy DJ I find unprofessional and I look at a DJ sitting down and rightly or wrongly make the assumption that he is lazy and can't be bothererd, maybe I should ask myself why I automaticaly assume that?

I suppose I should have said 'I find lazy DJ's unprofessional, you know the able bodied type who sit on their backsides all night for no good reason or those who use mix cd's too much' etc. etc! :)

[Dragonfly]

you're beginning to sound like our absent friend Clifford with all those question marks.

the till operators (or "wenches" as you describe them) are best seated to do their job. have a look at the shelf fillers though...


novel idea putting my laptop above head height .... i shall try it indeed :D

[rob1963]

indeed Rob it is quite wrong of a person to just make an assumption isn't it? ;)

Yes Dave, because assumptions are often wrong.

However, it's human nature to make assumptions on things we see and here, and it's something EVERYBODY is probably guilty of thousands of times in their life.


Strangely, my wife insists that, since I am not fulltime, I am not a Professional DJ

I can understand you wife having that opinion, as I too used to think that a professional was someone who did something for a living. In other words it was their only or main income.

However, thanks to some discussions on this forum, I discovered that the word can also be used to describe any cowboy DJ (assuming they don't work for free).....so it's actually pretty meaningless.


Dave, I understand your point but, to re-use an old phrase 'perception is reality', people will make an assumption based on first impressions and seldom bother to look into it further because humans are, for the most part, lazy.

Well said, although I'd say it's more due to human nature than laziness.


Well that did put the cat amongst the pigeons didn't it?

You said it would when you posted, and you weren't wrong!

If you'd said "able-bodied DJs who sit down" rather than just "DJs who sit down" in your original post, maybe none of this would have happened!

[Tony Scott]

If you'd said "able-bodied DJs who sit down" rather than just "DJs who sit down" in your original post, maybe none of this would have happened!

Would it have been better if it hadn't then? It's made me re-think my views and assumtions, maybe others too?? :)

[soundtracker]

If you'd said "able-bodied DJs who sit down" rather than just "DJs who sit down" in your original post, maybe none of this would have happened!

The point is - that you don't know who is able bodied and who isn't, you are therefore making assumptions, which are generally going to get you into trouble.:bang:

[rob1963]

The point is - that you don't know who is able bodied and who isn't, you are therefore making assumptions, which are generally going to get you into trouble.:bang:

Regardless of what you know, what assumptions you make and whether those assumptions are right or wrong, I think that able-bodied DJs who sit down are unprofessional. End of story.

:D

[A1DL]

Regardless of what you know, what assumptions you make and whether those assumptions are right or wrong, I think that able-bodied DJs who sit down are unprofessional. End of story.

:D

I fully agree with you Arthur/Robert/James, whatever you're calling yourself this afternoon.
:p

[rob1963]

I fully agree with you Arthur/Robert/James, whatever you're calling yourself this afternoon.
:p

It's Herbert today.

:D

[soundtracker]

Appropriate as you've made a proper 'erbert of yourself today!(again!)

[rob1963]

Appropriate as you've made a proper 'erbert of yourself today!(again!)

Have I?

I didn't notice...so I don't know how you came to that conclusion!

If I've said anything that's wrong, please let me know...so I have the chance to correct myself.

:D

[Tom]

The way I see it is we are all human.

Everybody is different.

I myself can only stand up for a few hours then after that I start to get dizzy and light headed from standing in the same spot for too long. I also get really bad lower back pains but I blame that from slouching when I play the drums. :(

To help me I somtimes sit down and stretch. If I see people coming up for a request, I put my headphones down and go to them so I get a chance to move.


I don't see what the problem with sitting down is. I don't do it unless I really have to but then some people have an excuse to sit down.

[wensleydale]

The way I see it is we are all human.

Everybody is different.

I myself can only stand up for a few hours then after that I start to get dizzy and light headed from standing in the same spot for too long. I also get really bad lower back pains but I blame that from slouching when I play the drums. :(

To help me I somtimes sit down and stretch. If I see people coming up for a request, I put my headphones down and go to them so I get a chance to move.


I don't see what the problem with sitting down is. I don't do it unless I really have to but then some people have an excuse to sit down.

very true young sir.
i think if the biggest issue any of us have is that we sit down for a bit at gigs then everything else about our businesses must be superb and we'll all be charging big money.

in reality everything is down to a matter of opinion- i know i do things that most others would never dream of, but i'm happy, my clients seem happy so wheres the problem?

there is more than one way.....

[soundtracker]

Have I?

I didn't notice...so I don't know how you came to that conclusion!

If I've said anything that's wrong, please let me know...so I have the chance to correct myself.

:D

Picking on cripples, you nasty man!

[rob1963]

Picking on cripples, you nasty man!

I think you mis-read my posts, as I was actually doing the COMPLETE opposite...

...I was picking on ABLE-BODIED DJs (ones who sit down).

Hope that clears it up!

:D

[wensleydale]

i actually had to think about this for a while as i disagreed with some of the original top 10.

my main "unprofessional" factor would be shabby websites- it never fails to amaze me how many people are willing to let the potential clients first impression of their business be a terribly thrown together site.

(cue comments about my site.....)

[Tony Scott]

I think you mis-read my posts, as I was actually doing the COMPLETE opposite...

...I was picking on ABLE-BODIED DJs (ones who sit down).

Hope that clears it up!

:D

I didn't read a single word in the whole thread that even came close to picking on those less able!

[rob1963]

i actually had to think about this for a while as i disagreed with some of the original top 10.

There was no original top 10.

It was just the first 10 things I though of which make an unprofessional DJ.

These were in no particular order, and were just the ones that occurred to me at the time.

There is no right or wrong answer here.....everyone will have different opinions.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

There is no right or wrong answer here.....everyone will have different opinions.

And as usual, yours are different to everyone elses...:sj:

[theoloyla]

T%he world (including all of us to a greater or lesser extent) is prejudiced. We all make assumptions based on appearance and we can be very wrong BUT we cant help it - we are human.

[Excalibur]

People often offer me a chair. I reply that if I need a chair, I'm doing something wrong. I rarely sit, except sometimes for short periods during a meal. It has nothing to do with laziness or otherwise. I've seen DJ's who are quite capable of appearing bone idle, without needing to sit down. ;) :D

[pagan_flame]

I can understand you wife having that opinion, as I too used to think that a professional was someone who did something for a living. In other words it was their only or main income.

However, thanks to some discussions on this forum, I discovered that the word can also be used to describe any cowboy DJ (assuming they don't work for free).....so it's actually pretty meaningless.

Exactly - I mean Yeehar, pardner! :beer1:

DJing and Driving Instructing combined together make up my income - around 30% of my income is from DJing - but without one I'd have to do a lot more hours in the remaining job.

[rob1963]

There is no right or wrong answer here.....everyone will have different opinions.


And as usual, yours are different to everyone elses...:sj:

That's funny...because I could swear that (way back in post #14) Theo agreed with all 10 things which I'd said I thought were signs of an unprofessional DJ. ;)


People often offer me a chair.

I'm not surprised at your age!

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

That's funny...because I could swear that (way back in post #14) Theo agreed with all 10 things which I'd said I thought were signs of an unprofessional DJ. ;)


This is one thread Rob. We all know you hold the title for the most disagreeable person on the forum. :D

[rob1963]

We all know you hold the title for the most disagreeable person on the forum. :D

I'm sorry to hear that you & others think I'm unpleasant, offensive & repugnant.

If that's the case, you only have to ask me to leave.

[kilmeedyman]

Regardless of my disabilty, Pete's, Dave's or Steve's, I would like to offer an opinion.

I do not see anything at all wrong with DJ'ing from a stool etc. I cannot understand what would make anyone expect a DJ to stand for long periods in any case.

A1 suggested that if a DJ sat down all night Saturday he would get a complaint on Monday morning - that is complete horse doo-doo. The only reason anyone would complain about him sitting is if it was an adjunct to a complaint about the DJ's performance itself.

If the DJ had performed brilliantly and kept everyone dancing and happy, nobody would pick up the phone or write an email to complain about the position from which he worked, this is fantasy.

By the way he could be she in any of the sentences in this post.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I'm sorry to hear that you & others think I'm unpleasant, offensive & repugnant.

If that's the case, you only have to ask me to leave.

Calm down Rob and stop putting words in my mouth. You know what I meant and it was posted with a smilie face which you use very often so you know what I meant. :)

[rob1963]

We all know you hold the title for the most disagreeable person on the forum. :D


I'm sorry to hear that you & others think I'm unpleasant, offensive & repugnant.

If that's the case, you only have to ask me to leave.


Calm down Rob and stop putting words in my mouth.

Firstly, I don't find it easy being calm when the forum owner tells me that everyone knows I'm the most disagreeable person here.

Secondly, I wasn't putting ANY words in your mouth.

You suggested I'm disagreeable. Before replying I checked the word in a dictionary, and it used the words unpleasant, offensive & repugnant in the definition. Therefore, I wasn't putting words in your mouth, but simply using the dictionary definition of the word YOU used to describe ME.


You know what I meant and it was posted with a smilie face which you use very often so you know what I meant. :)

I honestly did NOT know what you meant, hence my reply, and the big grin smiley face did not help.

I STILL have no idea whether you actually meant what you said or not.

Did you?

:shrug:

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Perhaps I got the word disagreeable incorrect and should have said you are the person who disagrees with most others most of the time.

You do this a lot Rob and really must think that all the people that run this forum are a bit silly.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

In fact I didn't get the word incorrect at all. You just chose to look at the definition you wanted to and not all the others.

[rob1963]

Perhaps I got the word disagreeable incorrect and should have said you are the person who disagrees with most others most of the time.

I think it's a gross exaggeration for you to say that I'm THE person who disagrees with MOST OTHERS MOST OF THE TIME, and find this accusation highly offensive.

For every post where I disagree with someone there is at least one more where I DON'T...contrary to what you said.

Do you have any examples to back up such a sweeping statement?

If not, I'll be happy to go back through my posts to get the ACTUAL figures. Then I might be able to correct you.

I always say what I honestly think...whether positive OR negative, whereas a number of people here seem happy to post when they agree with someone, but just keep quiet & don't post when they disagree with someone or when a heated debate is happening.

To me, that's a cop out.

I think it's better to be open, upfront & always post what you honestly think...regardless of whether you agree OR disagree with people.

That certainly seems to be what YOU do!


You do this a lot Rob

Yes...because if I disagree with someone I'm honest & genuine enough to say so...rather than hiding away & keeping quiet like a number of people do.


and really must think that all the people that run this forum are a bit silly.

What on earth makes you say that?

Now you're the one putting words in MY mouth!

When have I EVER said (or even vaguely suggested) that all the people that run this forum are a bit silly?

:shrug:

[Corabar Steve]

Would it have been better if it hadn't then? It's made me re-think my views and assumtions, maybe others too?? :)


The point is - that you don't know who is able bodied and who isn't, you are therefore making assumptions, which are generally going to get you into trouble.:bang:

Indeed, at first glance nobody would know I have trouble standing for long periods.


Regardless of my disabilty, Pete's, Dave's or Steve's, I would like to offer an opinion.

I do not see anything at all wrong with DJ'ing from a stool etc. I cannot understand what would make anyone expect a DJ to stand for long periods in any case. Indeed again, how many other jobs would you be expected to stand for 4+ hours? The only one I can think of is a guard at Buckingham Palace (& I'm not sure how long they have to stay in one place at a time)


I'm sorry to hear that you & others think I'm unpleasant, offensive & repugnant.

If that's the case, you only have to ask me to leave.Ok, sod off! :sj:

[rob1963]

I'm sorry to hear that you & others think I'm unpleasant, offensive & repugnant.

If that's the case, you only have to ask me to leave.


Ok, sod off! :sj:

Nice try, Steve...but I'll only accept that request from the forum owner!

:p

[Javlingames]

Hi Rob1963

I think the guys are just messing around with you mate, dont worry too much.

[Corabar Steve]

Nice try, Steve...but I'll only accept that request from the forum owner!

:p

It was by proxy from Angela :sj:

[rob1963]

I think the guys are just messing around with you mate

No change there, then!


dont worry too much.

I'll try not to, but I don't think someone can call me (or anyone ELSE) "The most disagreeable person on the forum" and "The person who disagrees with most others most of the time" without expecting some kind of reaction!


It was by proxy from Angela :sj:

Still not good enough!

:p

[A1DL]

A1 suggested that if a DJ sat down all night Saturday he would get a complaint on Monday morning - that is complete horse doo-doo.

Phil

Two points, firstly, let's resort to the facts and recap what I actually said:


I can place hand on heart and confidently state that if the DJs at all of our functions last weekend were seated all night, we would have received customer complaints on Monday morning. Fact.


which is very different from


if a DJ sat down all night

If one or even a few DJs of our DJs sat down all night, we MAY get away with it. If they all sat down all night, whether you like it or not, we would hear about it in no uncertain terms.

Secondly, on the basis you have no knowledge of my customer base or what is expected of an A1 Discos Ltd DJ, you are in no position to dismiss my comment as horse-poo.

Engage brain before keyboard :zip:


Tony

[rob1963]

I cannot understand what would make anyone expect a DJ to stand for long periods

They don't...in my case, from the start of actual disco (after the background music) until the last song ends is usually a period of about three to three and a half hours...which I certainly wouldn't describe as a long period.

What about hairdressers?

They stand up all day, usually at least five days a week...not just for a few hours one or two evenings a week like most DJs do...

...and if I saw a hairdresser or barber sitting down to cut someones hair, I know exactly what I'd think!

There are also plenty of other occupations where you have to stand for much longer periods than a DJ.

[kilmeedyman]

If one or even a few DJs of our DJs sat down all night, we MAY get away with it. If they all sat down all night, whether you like it or not, we would hear about it in no uncertain terms.


Horse-poo. (the use of such a phrase should suggest to you that whilst disagreeing fundamentally with your point, I am arguing my case whilst retaining a light-hearted manner and not getting all up tight about it)

You would hear about it if they were crap at entertaining and, as I said before, the sitting down would be an adjunct to that to try and reinforce their assertion.

Why would you assume that anyone would want to complain about anything if the DJ made their event go superbly well? You make it sound like your clients would find any old reason to complain, which makes me wonder....

I have NEVER had a complaint about a gig I have done subsequent to the event. If there has ever been a problem, no matter how slight, I have addressed it properly at the time.

Why would it be "getting away with it"? That makes no sense. Getting away with it suggest that a DJ would be doing something wrong. In your eyes it appears that is the case but let's not pretend you know your clients thoughts on this unless you actually ask them 'would you be upset if the DJ sat down whilst performing?'

I thought about my answer long and hard and I'm afraid I fundamentally disagree with your position on this (you will be unsurprised to hear).

[kilmeedyman]

...and if I saw a hairdresser or barber sitting down to cut someones hair, I know exactly what I'd think!

Which is what precisely? The scissors work the same, the fingers work the same. On that stupid program where top hairdressers cut various celebs hair, one of them scooted round on a stool and only stood to do the front of the hair. I guess he must be "what you think" too.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I think it's a gross exaggeration for you to say that I'm THE person who disagrees with MOST OTHERS MOST OF THE TIME, and find this accusation highly offensive.



You can find it what you want.

We know that the person who has the most disagreements on here is you Rob. That is fact. Myself, admins and moderators spend a lot of time on here reading through people's posts and we know this to be a fact, like it or not.

Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that you post a lot, but netherless it is true. You are the one who is always banging on about giving truthful answers and opinions, well there is one for you.

[rob1963]

...and if I saw a hairdresser or barber sitting down to cut someones hair, I know exactly what I'd think!


Which is what precisely?

That they were dam lazy (assuming they hadn't offered any reason as to why they were sitting down).


On that stupid program where top hairdressers cut various celebs hair, one of them scooted round on a stool and only stood to do the front of the hair. I guess he must be "what you think" too.

I don't know, as I didn't see the program, so I don't know if anything was said about the reason for him sitting down. I therefore feel unqualified to comment on this.

[A1DL]

You would hear about it if they were crap at entertaining and, as I said before, the sitting down would be an adjunct to that to try and reinforce their assertion.


If an able bodied DJ had been sat on his backside all night, we would deserve to (and want to) hear about it, as it is inexcusable laziness.




I have NEVER had a complaint about a gig I have done subsequent to the event. If there has ever been a problem, no matter how slight, I have addressed it properly at the time.


Correct me if I'm wrong Phil, but you are an individual DJ and not a multi-op company, so from an accountability perspective from the customer's viewpoint, this is a different set of circumstances. If I had a problem with my windowcleaner or gardener, I would deal with it locally at the time with the individual. If I had a problem with the attitude of the service manager at the garage, or the quality of the work, I'd write to Mercedes head office.



Why would it be "getting away with it"? That makes no sense. Getting away with it suggest that a DJ would be doing something wrong. In your eyes it appears that is the case but let's not pretend you know your clients thoughts on this unless you actually ask them 'would you be upset if the DJ sat down whilst performing?'


Read posts 64 and 74, Phil, it's spelt out.

[One Vision]

I think one or two are taking the sitting down situation a bit litteral here and in a way that if your sitting down your going to look like a proper wooden bingo caller in a workingman's club.
That couldn't be further from the truth in fact, would still be working the crowd/dancefloor, here there and everywhere behind the stand and generally be just as active as if I was standing all night.
It just means I can rest my feet and knees if I need to, I do suffer with me knees a little especially in the winter to the point were my right knee grinds when I'm walking up stairs and on a few occasions when I have got home after a gig and gotten in to bed I start to get a dull ache.
That's not the main reason for having a stool but helps for that reason at times.
Personally I think some members own perceptions on how they think things should be done is being confused as they think if they think that then the public must also.
I don't really think it makes that much difference with my setup as you only see me from the shoulders up even if stood up when I'm behind the flight case as am 5`9"

[rob1963]

We know that the person who has the most disagreements on here is you Rob. That is fact. Myself, admins and moderators spend a lot of time on here reading through people's posts and we know this to be a fact, like it or not.

Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that you post a lot, but netherless it is true.

Darren,

If you're saying I'm the person who has the most disagreements on here based on NUMBERS, then of course it's true...but numbers are meaningless unless you look at the actual percentages.

It's like you moaning that I use the word "and" loads more than anyone else on the forum. It's one of the most common words in the English language & I do loads more posts than anyone else, so of COURSE I do! However, look at the percentages & you'll find I use it no more than any other member.

We need to compare like with like here, so if you're talking numbers rather than percentages, I need to do the same.....Having checked my posts over the last 24 hours, I've found 34 where I did not disagree with ANYONE.

Therefore, working on just the numbers like you did, here's another fact: It's also true that I do more mosts than any other forum member which DON'T disagree with ANYONE...and that's actually something I'm very proud of!

:D

[501damian501]

What about me darren :D :D :D , OK OK Back on topic now people ! :p

[kilmeedyman]

If an able bodied DJ had been sat on his backside all night, we would deserve to (and want to) hear about it, as it is inexcusable laziness.

Can anyone, please for the love of god, tell me why?
At no time ever have I heard or read or seen anything that says a DJ has to stand. There is no logic here at all.

[rob1963]

Can anyone, please for the love of god, tell me why?

At no time ever have I heard or read or seen anything that says a DJ has to stand. There is no logic here at all.

Kilmeedyman,

Of course there is nothing which says that a DJ has to stand.

Let me try to explain the logic.

If a DJ sits down all night, more people's perception will be that the DJ is lazy.

Therefore, the logic is that by standing up all night, less people will think you are lazy...which presumably is a good thing.

[Dragonfly]

Kilmeedyman,

Of course there is nothing which says that a DJ has to stand.

Let me try to explain the logic.

If a DJ sits down all night, more people's perception will be that the DJ is lazy.

Therefore, the logic is that by standing up all night, less people will think you are lazy...which presumably is a good thing.


just as it is the first thought we all have when we walk into a bank or supermarket i'm sure :D :D :D :D

[kilmeedyman]

Kilmeedyman,

Of course there is nothing which says that a DJ has to stand.

Let me try to explain the logic.

If a DJ sits down all night, more people's perception will be that the DJ is lazy.

Therefore, the logic is that by standing up all night, less people will think you are lazy...which presumably is a good thing.

Why is it lazy? What part of the job requires standing?

Who says the public's perception is this?
I have just done a quick (unrepresentative) poll of the 7 people who work here and not a single one of them could understand why a DJ should stand or why he/she would be lazy for sitting.

[CRAZY K]

Can anyone, please for the love of god, tell me why?
At no time ever have I heard or read or seen anything that says a DJ has to stand. There is no logic here at all.

Im completely lost on this bit of the thread as well but I think I can see whats going on:D

I think this depends on your business model.

If you supply DJs presumably you are under pressure to supply something that fits the image you have promised to the customer when quoting for the business who is NOT the end user of the DJs services but the Hotel Manager etc. Busy DJ, communication skills, pleasant personality etc.

If you are a DJ supplying yourself then its between you and the customer directly and I really cant see its a problem if you hide behind your equipment all night sitting on the floor PROVIDING everyone is happy with the music and chat.

I think its that simple--we all work differently so have different perceptions of whats good and bad--

CRAZY K

[One Vision]

I think the idea of the public seeing this as a lazy effort is a pure assumption

[A1DL]

I think the idea of the public seeing this as a lazy effort is a pure assumption

in that case Karl, you have either not read this thread fully, or you have failed to comprehend the content of thread no.64

[kilmeedyman]

Im completely lost on this bit of the thread as well but I think I can see whats going on:D

I think this depends on your business model.

If you supply DJs presumably you are under pressure to supply something that fits the image you have promised to the customer when quoting for the business who is NOT the end user of the DJs services but the Hotel Manager etc. Busy DJ, communication skills, pleasant personality etc.

If you are a DJ supplying yourself then its between you and the customer directly and I really cant see its a problem if you hide behind your equipment all night sitting on the floor PROVIDING everyone is happy with the music and chat.

I think its that simple--we all work differently so have different perceptions of whats good and bad--

CRAZY K

So are you telling me that when A1 is selling to his 30 clients a day, he tells every one of them "Oh, and you can be sure our DJ will stand all night"?

Because you know he doesn't. Why should he say that? It's irrelevant to your business model unless you are called 'The DJ That Stands All Night Entertainment Co."

[rob1963]

Why is it lazy?

It's PERCEIVED by many people as being lazy.


What part of the job requires standing?


NO part of the job requires standing.


Who says the public's perception is this?

Not who, but what...and it's common sense which suggests the publics perception is this.


I have just done a quick (unrepresentative) poll of the 7 people who work here and not a single one of them could understand why a DJ should stand or why he/she would be lazy for sitting.

Imagine a mobile DJ is working at a venue with two entrances, a front entrance with 10 steps that requires the equipment to be transported about 50 yards to the stage where they must set up and a back entrance with no steps that only requires the equipment to be transported about 10 feet to the stage where they must set up.

Given the choice, most DJs would presumably choose to take their gear in through the back entrance, the reason being that it's easier.

For a mobile DJ, it's obviously easier to sit down than stand up all night...so roughly what percentage of mobile DJs would you guess DO sit down all night? and why do you think the figure is not 100%?

I await your answer with interest.

[Dragonfly]

Not who, but what...and it's common sense which suggests the publics perception is this.

on what authority or premise my wife is a member of the public and is just as disgusted as I am that this ridiculous notion exists in 2008 , infact double disgusted now as apparently she has no common sense either??

[One Vision]

I agree with you on both points Alan, however I also firmly believe (having heard it from so many customers who are very certain about what they want and don't want) that the visual presentation and ambience is enhanced by having a "busy" DJ. If I had £1 for every time a customer has said "I don't want someone who will sit in front of a computer all night, because that's not a proper disco", then I'd be rich.



Originally Posted by KARL-D
I think the idea of the public seeing this as a lazy effort is a pure assumption


in that case Karl, you have either not read this thread fully, or you have failed to comprehend the content of thread no.64

Yes I did read that post, but its something I have never herd before, in any case that's possibly more aimed at a disco run purely via a laptop with the sat down part being a generalisation as you tend to sit at a computer.

[rob1963]

my wife is a member of the public and is just as disgusted as I am that this ridiculous notion exists in 2008

What ridiculous notion?

:confused:

[Corabar Steve]

Kilmeedyman,

Of course there is nothing which says that a DJ has to stand.

Let me try to explain the logic.

If a DJ sits down all night, more people's perception will be that the DJ is lazy.

Therefore, the logic is that by standing up all night, less people will think you are lazy...which presumably is a good thing.
Nobody cares if the music is good & there are some flashing lights, you'll probably find that most people couldn't care if the DJ was sitting, standing or doing a handstand for the duration

Why is it lazy? What part of the job requires standing?.None, the only reason for standing (if any is to reach the controls with ease)

Mabey the first part of the following quote should've had the words "in the same place" following stand?

Indeed again, how many other jobs would you be expected to stand for 4+ hours? The only one I can think of is a guard at Buckingham Palace (& I'm not sure how long they have to stay in one place at a time)

Ok, sod off! :sj:


Nice try, Steve...but I'll only accept that request from the forum owner!

:p


It was by proxy from Angela :sj:


Still not good enough!

:pShe owns as much of the forum as Darren does. & I'm sure Angela will not be too impressed that you think less of her than you do Darren.


What about hairdressers?What about them? They don't have to stand in the same place for 3 - 5 hours at a time
There are also plenty of other occupations where you have to stand for much longer periods than a DJ.
Yep, bar staff for one. But again, they don't have to stay at the same position. When I was an assiatant pub manager / head barman I had to stand for far longer than I do for DJing, the main difference was I wasn't tied to one pump all night, but was able to walk up & down the bar to serve people. I know which makes my back & knees hurt more & it isn't a 6 hour bar shift.

[Dragonfly]

Imagine a mobile DJ is working at a venue with two entrances, a front entrance with 10 steps that requires the equipment to be transported about 50 yards to the stage where they must set up and a back entrance with no steps that only requires the equipment to be transported about 10 feet to the stage where they must set up.

Given the choice, most DJs would presumably choose to take their gear in through the back entrance, the reason being that it's easier.

For a mobile DJ, it's obviously easier to sit down than stand up all night...so roughly what percentage of mobile DJs would you guess DO sit down all night? and why do you think the figure is not 100%?

I await your answer with interest.

or it may well be considered that in both cases it is the safest and most comfortable method of working for an individual and in the case of setting up quicker for both the dj and the smooth continuity of the clients function .... and stuff all to do with being work shy ..... but there i go again bringing lateral thinking into the equation must be civvy street calling that is enabling me to have two thoughts at once?

oh and my barber has a bar stool he uses when cutting my hair for the record.

[Corabar Steve]

For a mobile DJ, it's obviously easier to sit down than stand up all night
I'm interested to know how you arrived at that conclusion?

Many wouldn't be able to press all the buttons / push the faders if they sat, so not only would it not make the job easier, but in some instances impossible

[Dragonfly]

What ridiculous notion?

:confused:

that the publics perception is it is lazy.:confused: :confused:

[Corabar Steve]

I'm going to get one of those folding musicians stools shown earlier & use it at every gig.

[rob1963]

Nobody cares if the music is good & there are some flashing lights, you'll probably find that most people couldn't care if the DJ was sitting, standing or doing a handstand for the duration

In that case, what percentage of DJs would you guess sit down all night? and what do you think is/are the reason(s) why that figure is not 100%?


She owns as much of the forum as Darren does. & I'm sure Angela will not be too impressed that you think less of her than you do Darren.

I don't think less of Angela than Darren, in fact I don't even KNOW Angela, so to be honest it's not really possible for me to have ANY opinion about her.


What about them? They don't have to stand in the same place for 3 - 5 hours at a time

Neither do WE...unless of course we do an impression of one of those "living statues" all night...which I certainly don't!


Many wouldn't be able to press all the buttons / push the faders if they sat, so not only would it not make the job easier, but in some instances impossible

So what about if they sat on a stool?

And what about the many with roadies or helpers?

And what about the ones who COULD press all the buttons / push all the faders if they sat?

[Javlingames]

Well theres 6 of us in my office right now and they all said they would NOT like to see a DJ sitting down all night unless he was disabled of course. OK they are involved in the industry but their opinion does count.

And by doing that little survey my boss wanted to know why I was on Mobile Disco Forum and not doing my work, woops

[Dragonfly]

Well theres 6 of us in my office right now and they all said they would NOT like to see a DJ sitting down all night unless he was disabled of course. OK they are involved in the industry but their opinion does count.

Quick favour just nip back and ask them all how they would know? ta :D

as we have arthritic knees dodgy hips etc so far on the thread. not necessarily wheelchair.

[Javlingames]

Quick favour just nip back and ask them all how they would know? ta :D


Because I asked them

[Dragonfly]

Because I asked them

no how they would know if the dj had some form of disability? ta

[Corabar Steve]

1. a)In that case, what percentage of DJs would you guess sit down all night? b)and what do you think is/are the reason(s) why that figure is not 100%?

2.Neither do WE...unless of course we do an impression of one of those "living statues" all night...which I certainly don't!



3.So what about if they sat on a stool?

1. a) I have no idea & therefore make no claims to know what percentage. b)because of this ridiculous notion that we have to stand all the time.

2. So all your gigs involve setting up on big stages where you have room to run about? (which is just as ludicrous an answer as the one that you gave) You make it sound like you act like you're suffering from St Vitus Dance while you're DJing.

You know d@mn well what I meant as you have obviously read the rest of my post you quoted. The average DJ set up involves a work station that is between 2 & 6 feet wide, hardly a lot of room to stretch your legs is it? By the very nature of this, we have to stand in the same place all night. Why then if by sitting we can reach everything & be seen by the audience, should we not sit? It's not as if it impares our ability to do the job. (or do you have to concentrate so hard on not falling off your chair / stool that you can't do anything else at the same time?)

3. Then they'd obviously be able to reach everything wouldn't they. For an alleged intelligent man you don't half spout some nonsense!

[rob1963]

This thread seems to be going round in circles now, and I see no point in repeating myself every 5 minutes, so I see little point in posting anymore.

I'll therefore leave it to the rest of you.

:)

[Corabar Steve]

I see little point in posting anymore.

I'll therefore leave it to the rest of you.


Can we have that in writing (& in triplicate) to the admin address please?

[Javlingames]

no how they would know if the dj had some form of disability? ta

The survey question was this,

What would you say if you booked a dj who sat down the whole night?

The general response was this

Ask for my money back, ask them why they were not standing.

If the DJ was disabled they would be cool with the fact that he was sitting down.

[Corabar Steve]

& if the answer was because I can as I don't need to stand to push buttons?

Would they still ask for their money back?

I know the answer they'd get from me, but forum rules prevent me from posting it.

[Shaun]

If the DJ was disabled they would be cool with the fact that he was sitting down.

Not all disabilities are outwardly visible. I direct you again to Dave's question (see below).


no how they would know if the dj had some form of disability? ta

[Javlingames]

If it bugged them enough they could always ask the dj why he was seated

[Dragonfly]

If it bugged them enough they could always ask the dj why he was seated

indeed .... but would it bug them enough? if the show was good and music right.

[kilmeedyman]

The survey question was this,

What would you say if you booked a dj who sat down the whole night?

The general response was this

Ask for my money back, ask them why they were not standing.

If the DJ was disabled they would be cool with the fact that he was sitting down.

You have got to be blimmin joking!
Ask for their money back because the DJ sat down? Are you serious? :bang:

When I have sat down, I have never had anyone ask me why I'm not standing whilst I DJ.

[Dragonfly]

You have got to be blimmin joking!
Ask for their money back because the DJ sat down? Are you serious? :bang:

god help them if they played a track that they didn't like ...... he'd be found dangling from his own truss.


well ive decided my last gig on the 25th oct im wearing jeans and a tshirt sitting all night and maybe even sell what glowsticks i have left while advertising the fact on an LED message board whilst playing my entire set from an ipod :D :D :D :D :D

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

With lightscreens too? :sj:

[rob1963]

well ive decided my last gig on the 25th oct im wearing jeans and a tshirt sitting all night and maybe even sell what glowsticks i have left while advertising the fact on an LED message board whilst playing my entire set from an ipod :D :D :D :D :D

Sounds like a great idea, Dave.

Don't forget to ensure you also have a big banner with your name & website on!

:D :D :D

[CRAZY K]

With lightscreens too? :sj:

Clive might lend you some--they look like this--:D

Impressive or what:cool:


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jG9soIv0908


CRAZY K

[Excalibur]

Indeed, at first glance nobody would know I have trouble standing for long periods.

Indeed again, how many other jobs would you be expected to stand for 4+ hours? The only one I can think of is a guard at Buckingham Palace (& I'm not sure how long they have to stay in one place at a time)

:

Come and grade potatoes with me. ;) Some of the poor twerps do eleven hours stood in one place, with three breaks per day. :( :(

Edit: Rob, I feel Darren's choice of adectives could have been better. For what it's worth I wouldn't call you disagreeable. Over twenty nsulting adjectives come to mind, bit I'd settle for "Argumentative".;) :D

[Corabar Steve]

Sounds like a great idea, Dave.

Don't forget to ensure you also have a big banner with your name & website on!

:D :D :D


I see little point in posting anymore.

I'll therefore leave it to the rest of you.
Ahem!

[Dragonfly]

With lightscreens too? :sj:

great idea !!! :D :D :D


Sounds like a great idea, Dave.

Don't forget to ensure you also have a big banner with your name & website on!

:D :D :D


will sort it today !!!


and to top off i'm not taking the ultimax , just going to ask for a table when I arrive. :D :D :D

[rob1963]

Ahem!

An off topic post like the one I made doesn't count.

:D

[sleah]

If one or even a few DJs of our DJs sat down all night, we MAY get away with it. If they all sat down all night, whether you like it or not, we would hear about it in no uncertain terms.

I don't doubt for one minute that this would be the case.
However, personally I think anyone who complained only about a DJ sitting is pig ignorant and down right offensive. I go with Steve's remarks below.
Ask the customer what they do for a job then go round and tell them how to do their job and complain when they don't do it how YOU think they should be doing it.

We really do have to deal with some :Censored: :Censored: :Censored: :Censored: in this game:mad:



You make it sound like you act like you're suffering from St Vitus Dance while you're DJing.

this made me chuckle. There's been a couple of DJ's round here who look exactly like that when DJing:D


I know the answer they'd get from me, but forum rules prevent me from posting it.

Here here! Like I said above why should we have to put up with some of the :Censored: that comes out of the general public. :Censored: s.

[CRAZY K]

great idea !!! :D :D :D




will sort it today !!!


and to top off i'm not taking the ultimax , just going to ask for a table when I arrive. :D :D :D

Why not take an ironing board like me????

:Laugh: :Laugh: :Laugh: :Laugh: :Laugh: :Laugh: :Laugh: :Laugh:

CRAZY K

[Corabar Steve]

That's too professional Alan, you've gone to the job prepared to do it.

[theoloyla]

That's funny...because I could swear that (way back in post #14) Theo agreed with all 10 things which I'd said I thought were signs of an unprofessional DJ. ;)





But none of them mentioned standing or sitting.

When I did club work and worked from a booth I often had a stool. In the early days I used to take a stool out on mobile gigs. When sat on a stool behind equipment it is very hard for the audience to know whether I am standing or seated. These days I generally only sit if I have a background album on, during the buffet/meal or it there is a band playing.
I am sure that there are plently of dj's that will look lazy and unprofessional whilst they are stood and plently of dj's who can and do look busy and professional whilst seated. I dont think you can generalize.

[DJMaxG]

Here's ten for starters:

1) Digital DJs with no produb licence.
2) DJs who arrive late.
3) DJs with insufficient/inappropriate equipment.
4) DJs who do not play requests (especially those from the client).
5) DJs who are not registered with HMRC & don't pay tax.
6) DJs who dress inappropriately (eg t shirt & jeans at a wedding).
7) DJs who don't have paperwork but just take details on the phone & turn up on the night.
8) DJs with a poor or very limited music selection.
9) DJs who are not well-groomed.
10) DJs with no respect for the client.

I haven't mentioned a couple of things beginning with P, as I don't want to start all the usual arguments!

I Agree with all of them pretty much.
However, Paperwork is there for the benifit of the DJ, and if your turnover is under a certain figure, you don't have to be VAT Registered. I Suppose there's income tax etc though.

[rob1963]

I Agree with all of them pretty much.
However, Paperwork is there for the benifit of the DJ

My paperwork exists just as much for the client as for the DJ, just like my terms & conditions.

[soundtracker]

I Agree with all of them pretty much.
However, Paperwork is there for the benifit of the DJ, and if your turnover is under a certain figure, you don't have to be VAT Registered. I Suppose there's income tax etc though.

Who mentioned VAT?? The paperwork side of any business is essential, no room for negotiation.

[andyw]

max if you send the client a contract stating all the details and get them to sign it,then on the night there cannot be any arguments over anything, you will be surprised the number of times you announce the last song 10 minutes after you were suppose to finish and the client comes up and says ,i thought i booked you for another hour,no paperwork and it's your word against theirs,paper work just pull out of the bag and you say here is the contract,here is the times we agreed ,here is the quote and here is a copy of your reciept and finally here is your signature, thank you good night(or if you want more you pay more)
paperwork protects you and the client and you should both have a copy:beer1:

ps always check details with the venue as well,just had an example booked this weekend for a 60's night(i might of mentioned it ) client said i could set up anytime (venue says before 2 or after 7 my choice)

[DJMaxG]

max if you send the client a contract stating all the details and get them to sign it,then on the night there cannot be any arguments over anything, you will be surprised the number of times you announce the last song 10 minutes after you were suppose to finish and the client comes up and says ,i thought i booked you for another hour,no paperwork and it's your word against theirs,paper work just pull out of the bag and you say here is the contract,here is the times we agreed ,here is the quote and here is a copy of your reciept and finally here is your signature, thank you good night(or if you want more you pay more)
paperwork protects you and the client and you should both have a copy:beer1:

ps always check details with the venue as well,just had an example booked this weekend for a 60's night(i might of mentioned it ) client said i could set up anytime (venue says before 2 or after 7 my choice)

which beats me to another point, I'll post a seperate thread on it.

[rob1963]

i thought i booked you for another hour,no paperwork and it's your word against theirs,paper work just pull out of the bag and you say here is the contract,here is the times we agreed ,here is the quote and here is a copy of your reciept and finally here is your signature,

Spot on, Andy.

I always have the booking form in my pocket, on which they have filled in the details & added their signature in case of this situation arising.

I also carry a copy of my terms & conditions, as well as copies of my risk assessments, PAT, PLI & ProDub (OMG - I said it. Sorry Darren!)