Disco is dead! Long live the disco! [Archive] - Mobile Disco Directory Forum

Steve the DJ

08-10-2008, 01:21 PM

mikeee

08-10-2008, 01:25 PM

When I saw the title, I thought, Oh God, the medication has worn off. But, yes it is an interesting observation. I wonder how many "DJs" automatically type "Mobile Disco" out of habit.

rob1963

08-10-2008, 01:29 PM

I am a mobile DJ.

...who provides mobile DISCOS.

Is a "disco" now just an old phrase that needs to be consigned to a genre or is their plenty of life in the "old dog" yet?

There's plenty of life in the old dog yet.

Some people might see themselves as mobile DJs. That's who they ARE, but providing mobile DISCOS is what they DO.

:D

TonyB

08-10-2008, 01:36 PM

Just had a look at my web stats for last month and the top word searched for was Mobile 11.4 % Disco was third with 10.9 % and DJ 7th with 4.4%.

Looking back through previous months, more people use "Disco" as a search word than "DJ".

Steve the DJ

08-10-2008, 01:54 PM

Some people might see themselves as mobile DJs. That's who they ARE, but providing mobile DISCOS is what they DO.

Looking back through previous months, more people use "Disco" as a search word than "DJ".

Now that is interesting because that is not my experience.

I wonder if I have this view because of how I position my business in the marketplace?

I am not a mobile disco nor do I offer a mobile disco service.

I am a mobile DJ who provides an entertainment service.

rob1963

08-10-2008, 02:00 PM

I am not a mobile disco nor do I offer a mobile disco service.

I am a mobile DJ who provides an entertainment service.

Firstly, does that mean that if someone contacts you to ask for a mobile disco, you say "I don't offer a mobile discos, I'm a mobile DJ who provides an entertainment service"?

Secondly, what's the difference between a mobile DJ who provides an entertainment service (such as yourself) & a mobile DJ who provides mobile discos (such as myself)?

TonyB

08-10-2008, 02:06 PM

I'm wondering if some people think of a "DJ" as just the person without equipment and a "Disco" as the whole package i.e. DJ, sound system and lights.

rob1963

08-10-2008, 02:07 PM

I'm wondering if some people think of a "DJ" as just the person without equipment and a "Disco" as the whole package i.e. DJ, sound system and lights.

Spot on, Tony.

Let me buy you a drink!

:D

Shaun

08-10-2008, 02:18 PM

When choosing my company name it was a conscious decision not to use the word disco. I've tried to steer clear of using the word as much as possible in my website too (apart from 1 or 2 small mentions to help with SEO).

For me personally, the word "disco" is a dated term. It's just a personal preference though. There's no right or wrong answer, just preference.

I'm wondering if some people think of a "DJ" as just the person without equipment and a "Disco" as the whole package i.e. DJ, sound system and lights.

I've never had an enquiry that asked for clarification on that point.

Vectis

08-10-2008, 02:19 PM

I'm wondering if some people think of a "DJ" as just the person without equipment and a "Disco" as the whole package i.e. DJ, sound system and lights.

Or various lighting packages? :p Sorry Rob :D :cool: :zip:

My webstats concur pretty much with TonyB although I am happy to interchange "disco" and "DJ" when discussing with clients as no-one has yet convinced me they mean anything different to each other.

When I arrived at a wedding last weekend (evening setup) the guests were out on the lawn and on seeing me the bride called me over and introduced me to her friends/family as "our trendy DJ" :eek: Apparently, what she meant by that was the service backing and not just the delivery. And that's from someone with a director-level position in a merchant bank in the City. Made me think I'm obviously doing something right :)

Steve the DJ

08-10-2008, 02:22 PM

Firstly, does that mean that if someone contacts you to ask for a mobile disco, you say "I don't offer a mobile discos, I'm a mobile DJ who provides an entertainment service"?

That's the crux of my point though, people are not ringing me looking for a mobile disco anymore, they are looking to book a DJ.

Secondly, what's the difference between a mobile DJ who provides an entertainment service (such as yourself) & a mobile DJ who provides mobile discos (such as myself)?

Just the wording.

This isn't about a DJ is better than a mobile disco or anything like that, just the terminology.

I'm wondering if some people think of a "DJ" as just the person without equipment and a "Disco" as the whole package i.e. DJ, sound system and lights.

Possibly.

Dare I say that it appears to me that clients with less money to spend tend to look for a mobile disco and those with a larger budget look to book a DJ?

rob1963

08-10-2008, 02:28 PM

At the end of the day, the words or phrases we use to describe ourselves or what we do make no difference to the actual service (which is the important bit), so it's down to the individual as to what words they want to use.

There is no specific difference between a DJ who provides a mobile roadshow, one who provides a mobile entertainment service and one who provides a mobile disco. They are just different words to describe the same thing.

Steve the DJ

08-10-2008, 02:38 PM

That maybe so but it isn't the point of this thread.

You can continue to call yourself a mobile disco until the cows come home but I am finding that clients are searching for the services of a DJ more and more and many (rightly or wrongly) associate a mobile disco with an old fashioned, dated and cheesy service.

We can continue to market ourselves how we see fit but I believe that over the next 5 - 10 years the term "mobile disco" will become consigned to the bin and it is our clients that will drive this change, not us.

Jay

08-10-2008, 03:01 PM

Think I had better change my company name then!!:eek:

Danno13

08-10-2008, 03:17 PM

I don't very often use the word "mobile" when I speak to clients, disco and DJ I use interchangably and optimise my sites for both (as well as "mobile", as people often still use this when they search)

yourdj

08-10-2008, 03:22 PM

as you can see by my name i thought about that. i have disco in all my literature and site and it comes up high on search stats. it may be a matter of time until the term is dated so this forum name may have to change possibly too?

Staying with the times had never been easy?

One Vision

08-10-2008, 03:29 PM

As long as people still know what D.I.S.C.O means I guess ill still use.
To me a "DJ" is somebody who turns up for work with possibly nothing more than his music and headphones to play on the in house equipment like in a club or radio station.

rob1963

08-10-2008, 04:00 PM

I believe that over the next 5 - 10 years the term "mobile disco" will become consigned to the bin

With all due respect, I think that's incredibly naive.

Steve the DJ

08-10-2008, 04:16 PM

With all due respect, I think that's incredibly naive.

We shall see. :)

rob1963

08-10-2008, 04:35 PM

We shall see. :)

If only I was a betting man! ;)

Solitaire Events Ltd

08-10-2008, 05:21 PM

I'm a company director. :thumbsup:

Mobile what?

PropellerHeadCase

08-10-2008, 06:27 PM

I am a mobile DJ.

I sell myself as someone who offers a professional mobile DJ service.

On the Wedding forum I provide advice on only a very small number of Brides ask for assistance in booking a "disco", the majority are looking for a DJ.

When I nose around websites (as we all do) I notice that many of the companies in and around London, the Home Counties and some small pockets across the country are mobile DJ companies. In most other areas they are mobile discos.

As more and more of our clients went to bars and clubs as they grew up has the word "disco" lost its meaning in the mobile sense?

Is a "disco" now just an old phrase that needs to be consigned to a genre or is their plenty of life in the "old dog" yet?

Discuss.

Actually I can kind of go along with that. I even make a joke of the word 'disco' on the first page of my website without really realising why. Whilst DJ and disco are for the most part interchangeable when used in conjunction with the word 'mobile' I do think that 'disco' does have a slightly more old-fashioned connotation but not necesasarily a negative one. It's a bit like Rock bands that refer to themselves as Rock 'n' Roll bands - Rock 'n' Roll is an old fashioned term and Rock is the newer and more accurate one but they kinda get used interchangeably.

Shaun

08-10-2008, 06:31 PM

Actually I can kind of go along with that. I even make a joke of the word 'disco' on the first page of my website without really realising why. Whilst DJ and disco are for the most part interchangeable when used in conjunction with the word 'mobile' I do think that 'disco' does have a slightly more old-fashioned connotation but not necesasarily a negative one. It's a bit like Rock bands that refer to themselves as Rock 'n' Roll bands - Rock 'n' Roll is an old fashioned term and Rock is the newer and more accurate one but they kinda get used interchangeably.

I'd go along with that. :)

blitz

08-10-2008, 07:08 PM

I've been wresrling with this for the last couple of months, on the one hand I think that my name "Blitz Discos" says exactly what I do but on the other I do tend to think that the word disco is a bit dated and cheesy in some respects and as mentioned before "dj" whatever implys a dj turning up with music only for playing bars clubs etc
I think what I'm needing is a balance between the two to cover all bases and I can use what ever is approprate at the time.

Andy Westcott

08-10-2008, 07:15 PM

The word 'disco' will remain for a while yet, I'm afraid.

Why?

Because that's what the majority of the booking public want. They e-mail me, phone me up or (as this evening) knock on the door - but all of them want to book a disco. Not a DJ, sound system and lights, but a disco.

OK - it's an old term, but one that's pretty well fixed in the mind, and I for one am quite happy to continue to use it.

TonyB

08-10-2008, 07:29 PM

In these days of text talk where most of the upcoming generations are being brought up to be lazy and not use proper words, maybe its through laziness that it is easier to type DJ than Disco.

1 day evrythk will b lik that! :D

One Vision

08-10-2008, 07:49 PM

But rock isn't necessarily rock n roll :p

soundtracker

08-10-2008, 07:59 PM

PropellerHeadCase

08-10-2008, 08:08 PM

But rock isn't necessarily rock n roll :p

Um, yeah, I think I pretty much covered that in my post.

I've been wresrling with this for the last couple of months, on the one hand I think that my name "Blitz Discos" says exactly what I do but on the other I do tend to think that the word disco is a bit dated and cheesy in some respects and as mentioned before "dj" whatever implys a dj turning up with music only for playing bars clubs etc
I think what I'm needing is a balance between the two to cover all bases and I can use what ever is approprate at the time.

Djsco? :D

nigelwright7557

08-10-2008, 08:38 PM

I am a mobile DJ.

I sell myself as someone who offers a professional mobile DJ service.
Discuss.

I sometimes get people ringing up asking for a DJ.

This seems a bit odd as the DJ isnt much use without a disco !

On the other hand asjking fro a dsico isnt much use without a DJ.
I have had one customer ringing up asking just for the gear and they would provide an IPOD.

So people mostly want a disco and a DJ.

One Vision

08-10-2008, 08:44 PM

Um, yeah, I think I pretty much covered that in my post.

Djsco? :D

But you didn't though, you said rock is the modern name for r&r which isn't necessarily true :p

PropellerHeadCase

08-10-2008, 08:50 PM

No, I didn't, I said:

"It's a bit like Rock bands that refer to themselves as Rock 'n' Roll bands - Rock 'n' Roll is an old fashioned term and Rock is the newer and more accurate one but they kinda get used interchangeably."

The point being that Rock is the newer and more accurate term because what is being played is rock, not rock'n'roll. Yeah, OK, some of it was between the lines ;)

Excalibur

08-10-2008, 08:55 PM

Have a disco

08-10-2008, 08:55 PM

One Vision

08-10-2008, 09:00 PM

Rock and roll is a different genre to rock, although some bands do at times stray in to the rock and roll category with the odd track or two, basically rock is a by product of rock and roll

wensleydale

08-10-2008, 09:19 PM

i play music at weddings
people can call me whatever they want as long as they pay me.

rob1963

08-10-2008, 11:31 PM

I sometimes get people ringing up asking for a DJ.

This seems a bit odd as the DJ isnt much use without a disco !

Good point.

To be honest, if someone phoned me up & asked for a DJ, I'd probably say "Ok, so you have your own sound & lights then?"

When they said no, I'd say "Oh - so it's a mobile disco you want, then?"

:D

Vectis

08-10-2008, 11:40 PM

Good point.

To be honest, if someone phoned me up & asked for a DJ, I'd probably say "Ok, so you have your own sound & lights then?"

When they said no, I'd say "Oh - so it's a mobile disco you want, then?"

:D

And if I was your customer that would really impress me :bang: :D

rob1963

08-10-2008, 11:56 PM

And if I was your customer that would really impress me :bang: :D

Maybe it would teach you to think about what you were saying...

...and to ask for what you actually wanted in future!

:bang: :D

Corabar Steve

09-10-2008, 07:24 AM

I do find this thread amusing, if your a successful DJ you can currently charge the earth it seems. but if you are just a disco you are seen as a cheap form of entertainment as a mobile disco you are seen as slightly dearer as a Roadshow you are seen as very expensive but all need a DJ?

the same works for the likes of entertainment companies some sound better just because they add LTD or PLC to there names? but all need DJ's
Rumbled! We became a LTD company to sound better. What planet are you on Cliffy????

To be honest, if someone phoned me up & asked for a DJ, I'd probably say "Ok, so you have your own sound & lights then?"

When they said no, I'd say "Oh - so it's a mobile disco you want, then?"

:DClick, Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrrr

JAMdisco

09-10-2008, 07:30 AM

I don't think I've EVER had a request for a DJ or Mobile Disco. All my prospective clients ask is "how much for a disco....."

I'm sure if we want the bookings, being sarcastic won't help (Rob). If I was ringing around for various quotes and someone said that, I probably wouldn't book them :p .
Someone who is very pleasant and willing to go that extra mile - that would sway me to book them. This is what I aim for :D .

We are all selling a SERVICE, what the public want to call it is irrelevant (IMHO)

rob1963

09-10-2008, 07:44 AM

I'm sure if we want the bookings, being sarcastic won't help (Rob). If I was ringing around for various quotes and someone said that, I probably wouldn't book them :p

Point taken, JayDeeDrinker, but it actually wasn't as sarcastic as you think.

If someone DID phone me up to ask for a DJ, my initial thought WOULD be that they just wanted the DJ himself, so the first thing I'd do would be to ask them something to get clarification.

Why can't people just say what they mean in the first place?

It saves time & is less confusing!

:shrug:

Corabar Steve

09-10-2008, 07:54 AM

Point taken, JayDeeDrinker, but it actually wasn't as sarcastic as you think.

If someone DID phone me up to ask for a DJ, my first thought WOULD be that they just wanted the DJ himself, so the first thing I'd do would be to ask them something to get clarification.

Why can't people just say what they mean in the first place?

It saves time & is less confusing!

:shrug:

To be honest, if someone phoned me up & asked for a DJ, I'd probably say "Ok, so you have your own sound & lights then?"

When they said no, I'd say "Oh - so it's a mobile disco you want, then?"

:D
No, that's definitely looks like sarcasm to me. Or judging by the :D an attempt at sarcastic humour. Or just a case of look at me I'm big, I can belittle prospective clients. Or another comment you've made that's turned round & bitten you on the bum because somebody has picked up on it.

If you were asking for clarification "With or without equipment?" would be far more suitable

JAMdisco

09-10-2008, 08:10 AM

OMG - What have i started :confused: :bang:

Corabar Steve

09-10-2008, 08:22 AM

You didn't. 2 of us had already commented on the apparent sarcasm in preceding posts

Vectis

09-10-2008, 08:27 AM

Why can't people just say what they mean in the first place?

Because most people don't call up DJs very often so they don't really know what they should be asking for.

Just as if you were to call up P&W Rocketdyne and ask them for a new engine for a space shuttle. They'd probably think you were a numpty for not knowing the correct terminology.

mikeee

09-10-2008, 08:41 AM

I get a reasonable mix of "Are you the DJ", obviously because I answered the phone, or, "Is this the disco man", um, no, I'm a gynocologist - idiot!!!

soundtracker

09-10-2008, 08:52 AM

Good Evening and welcome, I will be your musical facilitator for the evening!

CRAZY K

09-10-2008, 08:53 AM

In my experience since the late 60s unless someone phoned up from a fairly obvious night club type premises or maybe a pub where it would be stated up front---we have our own equipment---read that as a pile of ....te
I would ALWAYS assume it was a mobile that was required with equipment and Lights.

Im guessing but probably most calls are Weddings, parties, clubs where they dont have equipment?

Thats always been my experience--

For the record in the "early days it was a Mobile Discotheque with a french accent if you could manage it. :D

Even if they phone and say we want a DJ rather than a Disco ill bet most of those are for Mobiles--unless you happen to specialise in Nightclubs--theres one or two here I guess that do that.

I couldnt work out for ages why Boogie Boy hated playlists until the penny dropped--he was manly a Club DJ (I think) :D :D :D

CRAZY K

Vectis

09-10-2008, 08:55 AM

"Is this the disco man"

Yep - I'd say about half my phone calls start with this question :D

Mind you at present my mobile is 'multi-purpose' so diverted calls are answered with a simple "hello" until I deduce the reason for the call. But that'll all change soon as the tortoise says...

rob1963

09-10-2008, 09:19 AM

No, that's definitely looks like sarcasm to me.

I never said it WASN'T sarcasm, Steve...so why say that? :confused:

If you read my post again, you'll see I said the comment "wasn't as sarcastic as you think" and not "wasn't sarcastic" Big difference...as you well know. Trying to get a reaction again, are we?

Or just a case of look at me I'm big, I can belittle prospective clients.

Don't be so ridiculous, Steve. If I belittled my prospective clients, they wouldn't book me...and 2008 has been my best ever year for disco bookings, and by a massive margin, too.

The only belittling around here lately seems to be that done to me by you.

Or another comment you've made that's turned round & bitten you on the bum because somebody has picked up on it.

Absolute rubbish. I made a comment, explained it & stand by it.

You then came along & tried to suggest I'd said something which I didn't, presumably to try & wind me up or get a reaction.

If you were asking for clarification "With or without equipment?" would be far more suitable

Yesterday you were telling me how I should sell my lightshow to customers, now you're telling me what I should be saying to customers on the phone. Someone who owns & runs a successful business being given advice (which wasn't asked for) by someone who does NOT...unbelievable.

I've just re-read the add-ons split post from yesterday, and notice the discussion was going very nicely until you came along in post #10 to argue the toss with me & suggest I deceive my customers. After that, everything went downhill big time, and we all know how it ended up. Nice one, Steve.

You've already started again today by making stupid comments on one of my posts.

It seems to me that lately you're on a mission to have a pop at me on every possible occasion...and I'm not the only person who has noticed this.

You know it will cause a reaction from me and have a negative effect on the harmony on the forum, so it seems a strange way for a forum admin to act.

JAMdisco

09-10-2008, 09:48 AM

Come on guys, how about a hug and make up :boy_hug: :girl_hug:
Surely life's too short to be arguing - especially as you're both on the 'same side'

I know it's a forum (and a d@mn good one) and whilst debates are good, arguing is not.

And surely, PMing is the best way to sort this out, not 'out in the open' on a public forum?

soundtracker

09-10-2008, 10:07 AM

There's only one way to sort this out..........FIGHT!!

JAMdisco

09-10-2008, 10:08 AM

There's only one way to sort this out..........FIGHT!!

Thanks for that Harry 'Peter' Hill :p

Steve the DJ

09-10-2008, 10:09 AM

There's only one way to sort this out..........FIGHT!!

If they were two beautiful young ladies covered in baby oil I would tend to agree...but... :eek:

soundtracker

09-10-2008, 10:10 AM

What about Mud?

rob1963

09-10-2008, 10:32 AM

If they were two beautiful young ladies covered in baby oil I would tend to agree...but... :eek:

What makes you think I'm NOT covered in baby oil?

:p

JAMdisco

09-10-2008, 11:00 AM

What makes you think I'm NOT covered in baby oil?

:p

But you're not a beautiful young lady. Are you? :p :D ;)

Shaun

09-10-2008, 11:01 AM

Before any members complain, let's get back on topic please, guys. Ta.

JAMdisco

09-10-2008, 11:13 AM

Before any members complain, let's get back on topic please, guys. Ta.

Sorry Shaun, was just trying to lessen the 'what was turning into' heated argument. :)

rob1963

09-10-2008, 11:20 AM

I am not a mobile disco nor do I offer a mobile disco service.

I'm confused, then, because the first sentence on your home page includes: "...has provided A PROFESSIONAL MOBILE DISCO & dj service to clients..."

So you don't offer a mobile disco service, but you DO offer a professional mobile disco & DJ service.

:confused:

Corabar Steve

09-10-2008, 12:44 PM

:rofl:

In the interest of forum harmony, I'm not going to bother with addressing any of the other points in your post. As I've decided that it's probably best not to comment on your business practices (good or bad) any more for fear of an adverse reaction. Also not to reply to any of your posts that seem to have been posted with the sole purpose of getting a reaction. I will keep my disbelief & mirth to myself in future as is evident in virtually every post you make, you are right & the rest of the world is wrong. I will not be drawn into any petty squabbles with you over my opinions. They are just that, my opinions & as such I reserve the right to them (we do still have freedom of speech in this country after all)

. Someone who runs a successful business being given advice (which wasn't asked for) by someone who does NOT...unbelievable.
However I find the above comment both offensive & belittling. (& a little bemusing also, as everyone knows that I run a multi op)

I can assure you I run a very successful business & have accounts to prove it. Sure, I may not own Corabar Ltd, but I do run it.

I await your apology for this obvious put down with anticipation.

Apologies to everyone else for taking this thread off topic once more.

rob1963

09-10-2008, 12:59 PM

I can assure you I run a very successful business & have accounts to prove it. Sure, I may not own Corabar Ltd, but I do run it.

I meant to say "Owns & runs a successful business", not just "Runs a successful business"

Apologies for my error, and I will edit my previous post accordingly.

Shaun

09-10-2008, 01:10 PM

I meant to say "Owns & runs a successful business", not just "Runs a successful business"

Apologies for my error, and I will edit my previous post accordingly.

Unbelievably petty.

Steve the DJ

09-10-2008, 01:14 PM

I'm confused, then, because the first sentence on your home page includes: "...has provided A PROFESSIONAL MOBILE DISCO & dj service to clients..."

So you don't offer a mobile disco service, but you DO offer a professional mobile disco & DJ service.

:confused:

Exactly, I provide a professional mobile disco service whilst you just offer a mobile disco service... ;)

No, in all seriousness, the first paragraph on the site includes words such as "mobile", "disco", "DJ", "Wedding", "Surrey" etc. for SEO purposes only.

However I have been rewording a new version of my site behind the scenes for a few weeks now and there will be no mention at all of "disco" in the new copy because all of my web stats and feedback shows that my clients are looking for a "Wedding DJ" or "Mobile DJ", not a "disco".

Again this may be because of the type of potential client I pitch for but I very rarely get a call asking for a mobile disco.

I do get lets of enquiries from people though that would like me to DJ at their Wedding or special event.

Let's not get too pedantic about this, I just noticed from were I was sitting that the term "mobile disco" appeared to be disappearing and everyone I spoke to or read on Wedding forums talked about booking a DJ.

I just thought I would ask what others were experiencing. I guess if you sell yourself and refer to yourself as a "mobile disco" then that is how your clients will find you and refer to you, so of course you haven't noticed a change.

Corabar Steve

09-10-2008, 01:18 PM

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rob1963

09-10-2008, 01:36 PM

Exactly, I provide a professional mobile disco service whilst you just offer a mobile disco service... ;)

No, in all seriousness, the first paragraph on the site includes words such as "mobile", "disco", "DJ", "Wedding", "Surrey" etc. for SEO purposes only.

However I have been rewording a new version of my site behind the scenes for a few weeks now and there will be no mention at all of "disco" in the new copy because all of my web stats and feedback shows that my clients are looking for a "Wedding DJ" or "Mobile DJ", not a "disco".

Again this may be because of the type of potential client I pitch for but I very rarely get a call asking for a mobile disco.

I do get lets of enquiries from people though that would like me to DJ at their Wedding or special event.

Let's not get too pedantic about this, I just noticed from were I was sitting that the term "mobile disco" appeared to be disappearing and everyone I spoke to or read on Wedding forums talked about booking a DJ.

I just thought I would ask what others were experiencing. I guess if you sell yourself and refer to yourself as a "mobile disco" then that is how your clients will find you and refer to you, so of course you haven't noticed a change.

Hi FDDJ,

Thanks for the clarification.

You're right about me advertising a mobile service, so that's probably why people talk about a disco rather than a DJ when making contact.

:)

Danno13

09-10-2008, 01:53 PM

I think quite a bit of your website needs rewording Steve. You've mentioned a few times on various forums about your objections to sub contracting work, yet phrases like this exist on your own website..

The number of guests at your reception will influence the amount of equipment required which may in turn affect our quotation. Most of the DJs that we provide have a suitable amount of equipment to cater for up to 200 guests, some slightly more.

..all sounds a bit misleading to me, unless you've now decided to run as a multi op?

Corabar Steve

09-10-2008, 02:08 PM

For clarification purposes that is directed at Steve FDDJ not me.

Steve the DJ

09-10-2008, 02:29 PM

I think quite a bit of your website needs rewording Steve. You've mentioned a few times on various forums about your objections to sub contracting work, yet phrases like this exist on your own website..

Indeed, that is another one of the reasons why I have been writing new copy.

I had an idea in my head when I first changed the business name to First Dance DJs of becoming a company that sub contracted work out and the original wording reflected that but when I changed my mind (too much hassle it seemed) I started to take it out, obviously I missed some.

Of course there is a big difference between employing DJs and sub contracting work. The former if done properly works very well, the latter is the way that I perceive to be a "bit dodgy", although not necessarily in your case. I am happy to concede that you appear to have your head very much screwed on the right way and it works for some.

My opinion has formed this way because most of the "dodgy DJ" companies that I know off who sub contract work do so in such a sloppy way to the lowest bidder that the end result is we all get tarred with the crappy brush.

..all sounds a bit misleading to me, unless you've now decided to run as a multi op?

Possibly, as I say I thought I had removed all of those references but it still not as misleading as selling your DJ (or disco service) to a client and then sending someone other than yourself to do the job is it?

Now that is what bugs me and no I am not saying you do this but we all know it is happening.

On the other side of the coin and as I have said elsewhere I think subbing is too much hassle for the company owner themselves for what they get, the risk v. reward is too great, because even your best friends let you down occasionally. :(

I am happy to discuss my thoughts over a beer at Darren's Birthday when your not busy as I don't want you to think I am "picking" on you or your business, I am talking about those "rogue" elements out there. It's just hard to get across what you are thinking sometimes on a forum, just ask Rob...:D

Just don't get me started on agents... :Censored:

rob1963

09-10-2008, 02:34 PM

It's just hard to get across what you are thinking sometimes on a forum, just ask Rob

:rofl:

soundtracker

09-10-2008, 02:38 PM

Just don't get me started on agents... :Censored:

Shhhh! You'll start the Reverend off again!:D

Steve the DJ

09-10-2008, 02:41 PM

Shhhh! You'll start the Reverend off again!:D

:sofa:

Some of them are OK I suppose... :zip:

Corabar Steve

09-10-2008, 02:44 PM

For scum sucking pondlife yes. :sj:

Dragonfly

09-10-2008, 02:46 PM

For scum sucking pondlife yes. :sj:

Steve if you constantly dress things up all nicey nicey noone will know exactly how you feel :D :D :D :D :D :D

Corabar Steve

09-10-2008, 02:50 PM

Just waiting to see if Mikeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee bites :sj:

Danno13

09-10-2008, 02:59 PM

Fair enough Steve (FDDJ), it just stuck me as a bit odd, thats all :) Look forward to the beer on the 24th :beer1:

Steve the DJ

09-10-2008, 03:13 PM

Fair enough Steve (FDDJ), it just stuck me as a bit odd, thats all...

There is always more than meets the eye to any situation, which in hindsight is something that I need to remember more often.

:) Look forward to the beer on the 24th :beer1:

You wait until you hear my requests... :p

So can we now split this thread into one on "discos", one on sub contracting, one on agents and one on just giving Rob grief? :evelgrin:

Corabar Steve

09-10-2008, 03:52 PM

It could be done, but somebody would only complain.

rob1963

09-10-2008, 04:11 PM

So can we now split this thread into one on "discos", one on sub contracting, one on agents and one on just giving Rob grief? :evelgrin:

Why not?

After all, that seems to be the latest craze with some people!

Corabar Steve

09-10-2008, 04:23 PM

:rofl:

aj.promotions

10-10-2008, 01:35 AM

mikeee

10-10-2008, 07:42 AM

I remember back in the 80s Djs called what they offered as "Road shows"
no mention of mobile disco. For example I ran the "sleepless knights roadshow" back then in a previous life.
Anyway for what my opinion is worth to me a disco is a large building with recorded music being played by "a DJ", a great lighting show, a bar and staff etc.
A mobile disco is a DJ or DJs bringing equipment with them and playing music and entertaining at a said venue.
A DJ is the entertainer/the equipment operator.
I run a mobile disco,
I AM a DJ-or that’s what some people call me LOL.

Even before that young man.
I started in 1970, you went to a Disco, if you had a party you employed a Mobile Disco with DJ (chappy that spoke and motivated), or you hired a Mobile Disco with an Operator (sat there playing one track after another with no speech), then within a few years, along came the Roadshows, these had a full compliment of staff to rig and de-rig (and don't forget to ask if the venue has a 30amp outlet:)), the bigger / better ones did the european tour, mostly military bases. These forward thinking DJs either then went into "local" radio or went to the likes of Julianias or Baccuhas (sp), others started audio and lighting companies, so on and so forth.
In those days "DJs" got on with, didn't whinge and charged what they were worth. The ones that I knew had great customer care, looked after their kit and had it checked over regularlary (sp).
They were the days when Men were Men and boys weren't allowed anywhere near the kit.
And here endith todays sermon :) :) :) :) :)

rob1963

10-10-2008, 08:13 AM

In those days "DJs" got on with, didn't whinge and charged what they were worth.

Bit of a sweeping statement, there Mr M!

Not one I agree with, either!

mikeee

10-10-2008, 08:33 AM

No, I wouldn't say so, or is it forums just bring out the worst in DJs :) :) :)

Javlingames

10-10-2008, 09:07 AM

Even before that young man.
I started in 1970, you went to a Disco, if you had a party you employed a Mobile Disco with DJ (chappy that spoke and motivated), or you hired a Mobile Disco with an Operator (sat there playing one track after another with no speech), then within a few years, along came the Roadshows, these had a full compliment of staff to rig and de-rig (and don't forget to ask if the venue has a 30amp outlet:)), the bigger / better ones did the european tour, mostly military bases. These forward thinking DJs either then went into "local" radio or went to the likes of Julianias or Baccuhas (sp), others started audio and lighting companies, so on and so forth.
In those days "DJs" got on with, didn't whinge and charged what they were worth. The ones that I knew had great customer care, looked after their kit and had it checked over regularlary (sp).
They were the days when Men were Men and boys weren't allowed anywhere near the kit.
And here endith todays sermon :) :) :) :) :)

Well said

Steve the DJ

10-10-2008, 10:09 AM

In those days "DJs" got on with, didn't whinge and charged what they were worth.

Bit of a sweeping statement, there Mr M!

Not one I agree with, either!

Nor do I, DJs do charge what they are worth in this day and age...

...it's just that some are obviously worth a lot more than others. ;)

rob1963

10-10-2008, 10:12 AM

DJs do charge what they are worth in this day and age...

...it's just that some are obviously worth a lot more than others. ;)

:thumbsup:

Shaun

10-10-2008, 10:25 AM

Why not?

After all, that seems to be the latest craze with some people!

One split topic hardly constitutes a "craze".

rob1963

10-10-2008, 10:37 AM

One split topic hardly constitutes a "craze".

That depends on whether or not it turns out to be the first of many.

Shaun

10-10-2008, 10:40 AM

That depends on whether or not it turns out to be the first of many.

If it did, then by all means feel free to call it craze when it reaches that level. I believe "rare occurrence" would be more accurate at this point. :rofl:

rob1963

10-10-2008, 10:42 AM

If it did, then by all means feel free to call it craze when it reaches that level. I believe "rare occurrence" would be more accurate at this point. :rofl:

I'll settle for "Rare occurrence in the past, but likely craze in the near future"

:D

CRAZY K

10-10-2008, 10:44 AM

Nor do I, DJs do charge what they are worth in this day and age...

...it's just that some are obviously worth a lot more than others. ;)

Except of course when uscrupulous agencies or Hotels have banged on a massive override commission:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

ppentertainments

10-10-2008, 10:46 AM

I'll settle for "Rare occurrence in the past, but likely craze in the near future"

:D

Would it not be easier to have a 'Give Rob a hard time thread' :D :p :D

Shaun

10-10-2008, 10:48 AM

Would it not be easier to have a 'Give Rob a hard time thread' :D :p :D

It's be easier to give Rob his own "I have to be right all the time even when I'm wrong" forum section. Can you imagine how busy it's be?

Rob, I'm only teasing. :d

rob1963

10-10-2008, 10:59 AM

Would it not be easier to have a 'Give Rob a hard time thread' :D :p :D

Did you not know...that's the sub-heading of every thread on the forum!

Solitaire Events Ltd

10-10-2008, 11:32 AM

Get the violins out quick.

Corabar Steve

10-10-2008, 04:13 PM

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kilmeedyman

11-10-2008, 12:01 AM

Good Evening and welcome, I will be your musical facilitator for the evening!

On the basis that Disc Jockey has been shortened to DJ, I can see the above idea causing no end of problems :eek:

Have a disco

11-10-2008, 12:55 AM

Did you not know...that's the sub-heading of every thread on the forum!

Hey it could mean give me a hard time LOL

rob1963

11-10-2008, 09:55 AM

Would it not be easier to have a 'Give Rob a hard time thread' :D :p :D

Did you not know...that's the sub-heading of every thread on the forum!

Hey it could mean give me a hard time LOL

Badger,

Funnily enough, you were the other person I was thinking of when I typed my post!

OllieJames

11-10-2008, 10:50 AM

Badger,

Funnily enough, you were the other person I was thinking of when I typed my post!

LOL :p

Corabar Steve

11-10-2008, 10:52 AM

Get over yourself!

The world (& this forum in particular) does not revolve around you

rob1963

11-10-2008, 11:05 AM

Get over yourself!

The world (& this forum in particular) does not revolve around you

I don't remember saying it did.

:shrug:

There you go again, Steve, suggesting I've said things I haven't, presumably in an attempt to wind me up & get a reaction.

Just like your broken record "I am always right & everyone else is always wrong" comment. If only I had a pound for every time you'd accused me of saying THAT!

Corabar Steve

11-10-2008, 11:25 AM

Rob, as I've said on another thread, I'm not going to let you draw me into any more of your petty little squabbles.

You are entitled to your opinions as is Badger, but the pair of you seem to have some sort of persecution complex.

All is fine & dandy until somebody questions what you've said & then you go off on one.

If you have such a hard time on this forum there are plenty of others you could try DJU, MDJF, MDOL to name but 3. Some may be more to your taste some may not. Some are ruled over with a rod of iron, some are so free form it's akin to anarchy. Try them out, then we'll see if this forum (& it's staff) is so bad.

For the record, I have NO ISSUES with you, other than your tendency to over react when somebody's opinion differs from yours & they question you.

rob1963

11-10-2008, 12:25 PM

Rob, as I've said on another thread, I'm not going to let you draw me into any more of your petty little squabbles.

I'm pleased to hear it, as I have no intention to draw you into ANYTHING.

You are entitled to your opinions as is Badger, but the pair of you seem to have some sort of persecution complex.

With all due respect, that sounds very much like another of your unsubstantiated comments posted with the intention of getting a reaction.

I have no persecution complex whatsoever. However, I object to repetitive untrue comments from a few quarters, which seem to be posted with the sole intention of winding me up.

The "I think I'm always right & everyone else is wrong" is a great example of this. It's not true, I've never said it IS true & yet the broken record continues from certain quarters.

For the record, I can only think of 3 things which I probably know more about that almost everyone else on this forum, and mobile discos certainly isn't one of them.

I will say it again. I do NOT think I am always right and I do NOT think everyone else is always wrong...but I'm sure this won't stop the same accusations from the same few people.

All is fine & dandy until somebody questions what you've said & then you go off on one.

That all depends on the situation.

When people try to tell me how to run my business, and how I should sell add ons, and how much I should charge for add ons in a thread which I started on a COMPLETELY different subject, then yes...I will go off on one.

Also, if someone says I'm deceiving my customers, then yes...I will go off on one.

Apart from that, whenever someone questions what I've said, I will do my best to answer their query & to explain why I have the views I do or follow the practices I do. If I'm not very good at doing that, then I'm sorry.

If you have such a hard time on this forum there are plenty of others you could try DJU, MDJF, MDOL to name but 3. Some may be more to your taste some may not. Some are ruled over with a rod of iron, some are so free form it's akin to anarchy. Try them out, then we'll see if this forum (& it's staff) is so bad.

There you go again...I've NEVER said I have such a hard time on this forum!

Just to clarify, there are a few people who I think DO give me a hard time, and I'm not the only person who has noticed that. However, I have to weigh that up against the positive value of the forum as a whole.

I'm fully aware there are other forums. I've even had PMs from people recommending certain other forums, which they say are more friendly than this one. However, as long as the positive aspects of this forum outweigh the negative ones for me & my business, I will probably remain here.

For the record, I have NO ISSUES with you, other than your tendency to over react when somebody's opinion differs from yours & they question you.

People's opinions differ from mine & they question me all the time, and I don't think I over react at all. I just do my best to answer their questions & explain why I have the views I do, but I'm sorry if I don't do that very well.

I'm not perfect, and neither is anyone else... In fact I'd struggle to find a regular poster who I couldn't say SOMETHING negative about, so let's move onwards & upwards, shall we?

Corabar Steve

11-10-2008, 01:19 PM

In the interest of forum harmony & the fact that I'm not going to get drawn into an argument, my answer to this is...

You are entitled to your opinion.

rob1963

11-10-2008, 03:02 PM

So, Steve, what's your take on this thread?

Do you see yourself as providing a mobile disco, a mobile entertainment service with a DJ, or something else?

Have a disco

11-10-2008, 03:09 PM

I don't remember saying it did.

:shrug:

There you go again, Steve, suggesting I've said things I haven't, presumably in an attempt to wind me up & get a reaction.

Just like your broken record "I am always right & everyone else is always wrong" comment. If only I had a pound for every time you'd accused me of saying THAT!

DITTO

I will second this comment sorry steve! I recently had the oppertunity to step away without getting kicked off when I moved and Im afraid its you and maybe even the site mods whom needs a break from the forum not us. If nothing more than to reflect and refresh and have a holiday as to speak. This is nothing personnal against anyone but sometimes a break is as good as a rest

theoloyla

11-10-2008, 03:13 PM

I go back longer than most which is why it is Banana Power TRAVELLING DISCOTHEQUE and always has been. The term mobile disco came anlong and it is the description which most of the public use.

Back in the mid 80's I formed a charity called Disco Aid which ran on a shoestring and raised many thousands of pounds from dj's and discos all over the country. Because it was a success the great and the good of the industry decided to take it over and it was decided that Disco Aid was an old fashioned and cheesey name (this was 20 years ago) and they renamed it the Dance Aid Trust. From then on it continued for a few more years and raised more money but with a higher set of expenses but fizzled out some time ago. I think it should have stayed as Disco Aid.

You can market yourself in all sorts of ways and by calling "A" "B" you may succeed with a particular market or persuade some people that you are worth money. Good luck to you but at the end of the day a spade is a spade and a rose by any other name still smells as sweet.