your "view" on my banner

[501damian501]

hello, whats your views on my banner, i know its not "top notch", it should be once ive been over to my dads to use the other bits of software i have over at his place.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Too difficult to read.

If I didn't know that name, I'd never guess what it was and the C should be a capital letter too.

[UltraBeat Entertainment]

Well put it this way i can't read the text.

The top text the font is tricky to read and the bottom font color clashes with the background making it hard to read.

[JAMdisco]

It's ok, I'm just not a big fan of fancy fonts!
I like to keep it simple, yet appealing to the eye.

My new logo is black and white with a solar eclipse in the corner. IMO it looks classy and is easy to read. Obviously with things like logo's & banners, it's a personal choice, if you're happy with it, fine! :D

Once mine is 'perfected' I'll be adding it below!

[501damian501]

you cant read the text lol, thats classic writing i,ll have you know :D

[JAMdisco]

you cant read the text lol, thats classic writing i,ll have you know :D

But if everyone who has posted so far either can't read it or have to look really hard to read it, classic or not, it's not good.

You asked for our views, that's what we're giving.
You should know by now, most people on here like to give 'constructive' criticism. If you can't take it or don't like it, dont ask. Simple!

[501damian501]

right, took peoples advice, yes i must admit the background did clash a little bit, so i taken that away, binned gone, never to be seen agian lol, heres my new banner, ive gone for a more "moden" 21st century look.

[JAMdisco]

right, took peoples advice, yes i must admit the background did clash a little bit, so i taken that away, binned gone, never to be seen agian lol, heres my new banner, ive gone for a more "moden" 21st century look.

Much much better - easy to read, not too cluttered. A definate improvement.

If you're No.1, who's No.2
I am not a number, I'm a free man!

[UltraBeat Entertainment]

Alot better. Clear and easy to read.

[rob1963]

A lot better. Clear and easy to read.

Agreed.

I think it just needs a space between the letter D & Cornell.

[JAMdisco]

Agreed.

I think it just needs a space between the letter D & Cornell.

Yep, or a dot

[501damian501]

am not sure who no.2 is, maybe tone will know :D :D :D , i was going to add some light busts to the banner, but that made it look way over board, so i opted for a basic buttonize effect. which i must admit makes it look complete.

i am going to put a dot in their, but thats not my business name its dcornell leisure, this wont effect it in any way will it ?

dot or a space ?

[JAMdisco]

i am going to put a dot in their, but thats not my business name its dcornell leisure, this wont effect it in any way will it ?

dot or a space ?

A space would look better IMO. Why or how would it affect your business name?

[501damian501]

i dunno lol, heres the new improved verison, any better ?, whats your views on this darren ?

[One Vision]

So in what way makes you #1? If you don't know your competition how do you know your any better/worse?

[JAMdisco]

i dunno lol, heres the new improved verison, any better ?, whats your views on this darren ?

better, but why the three dots after leisure?


So in what way makes you #1? If you don't know your competition how do you know your any better/worse?

Please Karl, don't start this one again. ;)

[501damian501]

what makes you a Specialist in rock nights ?

its a slogan, just like "simply the best" or we're the best, forget the rest. ect ect.

its up to the customer to choose if am no.1 or not.


better, but why the three dots after leisure?

it means something, but i forgot what it means lol

[discomobiledj]

So in what way makes you #1? If you don't know your competition how do you know your any better/worse?

This is a valid point. You have to show or say what/who made you number 1.

Even if you paid for the right to use Number 1 you do have to show it somewhere.

It's a £5k fine from Trading Standards otherwise.

[501damian501]

who said i dont know anything about my competation, i go out most nights, i know an awful alot of landlords in lincoln, am not a spy, they tell me when they have a disco or a karaoke, i turn up, have a drink, put afew quid in their tills, at the same time, check out my competation, easly as. i can put no.1 for a number of reasons, maybe its no.1 for customer service, or customer care, or overall mixing on the night, or the way i present myself or show.


This is a valid point. You have to show or say what/who made you number 1.

Even if you paid for the right to use Number 1 you do have to show it somewhere.

It's a £5k fine from Trading Standards otherwise.

by any chances, have you done any gigs in council owned venues ?

[discomobiledj]

by any chances, have you done any gigs in council owned venues ?


Yes thank you.


who said i dont know anything about my competation, i go out most nights, i know an awful alot of landlords in lincoln, am not a spy, they tell me when they have a disco or a karaoke, i turn up, have a drink, put afew quid in their tills, at the same time, check out my competation, easly as. i can put no.1 for a number of reasons, maybe its no.1 for customer service, or customer care, or overall mixing on the night, or the way i present myself or show.

Yes, but you have to provide evidence of who has voted you number one.

This can not be from yourself.

[501damian501]

Yes thank you.


i always fought you had to have £5million pli to undertake work in council owned venues or anything organised by the council ? can someone comfirm this for me please.

whats this whole i need proof thing all about, what a crock.

[discomobiledj]

i always fought you had to have £5million pli to undertake work in council owned venues or anything organised by the council ? can someone comfirm this for me please.

whats this whole i need proof thing all about, what a crock.

And your point being Damian?

Try concentrating on your spelling.

[ppentertainments]

To get back on topic a bit .............
My personal opinion is the name wouldbe more catchy if you were to drop the D and call yourself 'Cornell Leisure'. I know a lot of your family are in business so may not be posible.

[501damian501]

We are fully insured for any venue and hold £2M public liability.

surly this is an over statement ?

dont start picking flauts with my spelling because am picking flauts with your "website"

whats wrong with pli that stands for public liability insurance or didnt you know this ?

ppentertainments, as reguards to your post, i wish to keep it as d cornell for the simple fact as, when i have a son, which his name will be damian, named after me, which then the name would probley become d cornell & son leisure.

[discomobiledj]

Damian, I'm sure your website is by far the best around but as no one has actually seen it.

I've had enough of this.

[ppentertainments]

ppentertainments, as reguards to your post, i wish to keep it as d cornell for the simple fact as, when i have a son, which his name will be damian, named after me, which then the name would probley become d cornell & son leisure.

Thats what you call planning in advance :D :confused: :D

[501damian501]

Damian, I'm sure your website is by far the best around but as no one has actually seen it.

I've had enough of this.

you started to rule me about trading standard because of no.1, am just giving you some advice, upgrade to £5million pli or loose the "We are fully insured for any venue and hold £2M public liability" from your website.

i rest my case.

[One Vision]

what makes you a Specialist in rock nights ?

its a slogan, just like "simply the best" or we're the best, forget the rest. ect ect.

its up to the customer to choose if am no.1 or not.

That's a simple one, I can cater for that kind of themed event were a more specialised knowledge is required in that genra/s.
In basic that's the main type of music I have been in to for the past 25+ years so have a half decent knowledge in the area.

You cant just claim to be something without being able to back it up, "false advertising and all that"

[501damian501]

Thats what you call planning in advance :D :confused: :D

am not as dumb as i may seem :D

i hope i dont get banned because of that little mishappen just then.

lets get back on topic now

the banner, isnt nothing flash in my eyes and it certainly didnt cost me the earth as i made it myself. but it looks pretty good to be honest, better than the first piece of junk i put on :D

[One Vision]

To get back on topic a bit .............
My personal opinion is the name wouldbe more catchy if you were to drop the D and call yourself 'Cornell Leisure'. I know a lot of your family are in business so may not be posible.

The subject of the banner is on topic mate, as he claims to be the #1 on his banner. :confused:

[501damian501]

That's a simple one, I can cater for that kind of themed event were a more specialised knowledge is required in that genra/s.
In basic that's the main type of music I have been in to for the past 25+ years so have a half decent knowledge in the area.

You cant just claim to be something without being able to back it up, "false advertising and all that"

nice to know about the experiance in that genra, we might require a telephone converision sometime :D :D :D

had a rather werid phone call the other night, we want rock music, OK ive been to acouple of rock clubs in my time, but know nothing about the music, maybe this is something i can look into and stock up on some of the good tunes.

[One Vision]

Most of the time if a mixed crowd when they say we "want rock music" its generally the more mainstream stuff such as Bon Jovi, Guns n Roses, Whitesnake possibly a choice of a couple from them and such as a couple of tracks that work well from AC/DC.
It may be they don't want that kind of rock but more the alternative kind such as Offsprind, Kaiser Cheifs, Green Day etc. its a huge area

[Shaun]

You cant just claim to be something without being able to back it up, "false advertising and all that"

Why not! Advertising executive's have been doing it for hundreds of years. Nothing false about it if it's his personal opinion.

[ppentertainments]

The subject of the banner is on topic mate, as he claims to be the #1 on his banner. :confused:

Reference: Post 18
The subject of being no 1 and 'the best' has been done to death. The thread was also going into an in depth discussion on working for councils.

I merely put the 'back on topic' quote in as my post had nothing to do with the above but was in direct reference to the opening question of this thread.:D

[501damian501]

Reference: Post 18
The subject of being no 1 and 'the best' has been done to death. The thread was also going into an in depth discussion on working for councils.

I merely put the 'back on topic' quote in as my post had nothing to do with the above but was in direct reference to the opening question of this thread.:D

do you think the banner is alright ?, whats your views on it elite ?

[soundtracker]

As far as I'm concerned, the only off-topic bit is re PLI & Councils, all the rest is fair game. Carry on please.

[Shaun]

do you think the banner is alright ?, whats your views on it elite ?

Easy to read. Looks fine to me.

[rob1963]

You cant just claim to be something without being able to back it up, "false advertising and all that"


Why not! Advertising executive's have been doing it for hundreds of years. Nothing false about it if it's his personal opinion.

In that case, I could change my website to "Surrey's most popular mobile disco presented by one of the UK's top DJs"

The only trouble is I'm not a liar, so I'll just have to leave my site as it is. :(

[Shaun]

In that case, I could change my website to "Surrey's most popular mobile disco presented by one of the UK's top DJs"

The only trouble is I'm not a liar, so I'll just have to leave my site as it is. :(

You wouldn't be lying if it was your personal opinion though. That's my point.

It's all just advertising speil, and big name companies have been doing it for years.

I doubt very much that Carlsberg is "probably the best lager in the world", but it works for them. ;)

[soundtracker]

In that case, I could change my website to "Surrey's most popular mobile disco presented by one of the UK's top DJs"

The only trouble is I'm not a liar, so I'll just have to leave my site as it is. :(

Ooh!! he used the "L" Word!!!

perhaps accusing him of a terminological inexactitude would have been more diplomatic?

[One Vision]

There has to be a reason why you think your #1 so what do you tell the customer when they ask what makes you #1
No matter what you put its got to be credible to some degree and you have to at least be able to answer why your #1 above your competitors.

[A1DL]

do you think the banner is alright ?

Damian, my 2p's worth:

The banner is "alright" as in it is legible, does not carry any mis-spellings and is within the size constraints permitted on this forum.

However, as far as usefulness goes, it is about as good as a chocolate teapot since it does not offer any way for a potential customer to contact you, it doesn't hyperlink to a website, it says nothing about your geographical area of coverage or the service you offer, other than your self-certified opinion of being "No.1" in your field.

If as a potential customer I Google you, all I find is a few links to MDD forum debates posted by yourself. No website, no listings in business directories, phone directories, nothing! If I check Companies House, you're not listed, therefore are not a company, yet you claim to be "No.1 for Leisure", "Nationwide coverage" etc.

If I was a potential customer I would quickly smell the bull and look elsewhere. Even the smallest sole traders usually have plenty of listings on online directories.

As I say, that's just my 2p

[rob1963]

You wouldn't be lying if it was your personal opinion though. That's my point.

No, but you couldn't have the personal opinion that your business was the best unless you knew EVERYTHING about all the competition...which is simply not possible. That's MY point, Shaun.


It's all just advertising speil, and big name companies have been doing it for years.

As far as I'm aware, there are strict rulkes about what you can & can't say in your advertising.


I doubt very much that Carlsberg is "probably the best lager in the world", but it works for them. ;)

And why do you think they had to add the word "probably" before "the best lager in the world"?


There has to be a reason why you think your #1 so what do you tell the customer when they ask what makes you #1
No matter what you put its got to be credible to some degree and you have to at least be able to answer why your #1 above your competitors.

Exactly.

[A1DL]

I doubt very much that Carlsberg is "probably the best lager in the world", but it works for them. ;)

the word "probably" is the key Shaun, the phrase would not be permissable without it.

[501damian501]

You wouldn't be lying if it was your personal opinion though. That's my point.

It's all just advertising speil, and big name companies have been doing it for years.

I doubt very much that Carlsberg is "probably the best lager in the world", but it works for them. ;)

correct advertisement spiel, fairground manager microphone spiel, been doing it years :D

[Shaun]

Fair enough. :)

At the end of the day, I really don't mind how others advertise their services. I recall that Rob recently had to defend certain wording on his site. In the past I've had to defend wording on my site. And here again we have another member having to defend their wording. Does it really matter? The fact that he states he's No.1 is really not that significant or worth debating as far as I can see. The vast majority of the public will see it for what it is. Advertising speil, nothing more nothing less.

:)

[rob1963]

I doubt very much that Carlsberg is "probably the best lager in the world", but it works for them. ;)


the word "probably" is the key Shaun, the phrase would not be permissable without it.

:clap:

[501damian501]

Damian, my 2p's worth:

The banner is "alright" as in it is legible, does not carry any mis-spellings and is within the size constraints permitted on this forum.

However, as far as usefulness goes, it is about as good as a chocolate teapot since it does not offer any way for a potential customer to contact you, it doesn't hyperlink to a website, it says nothing about your geographical area of coverage or the service you offer, other than your self-certified opinion of being "No.1" in your field.

If as a potential customer I Google you, all I find is a few links to MDD forum debates posted by yourself. No website, no listings in business directories, phone directories, nothing! If I check Companies House, you're not listed, therefore are not a company, yet you claim to be "No.1 for Leisure", "Nationwide coverage" etc.

If I was a potential customer I would quickly smell the bull and look elsewhere. Even the smallest sole traders usually have plenty of listings on online directories.

As I say, that's just my 2p


reguards to your post, i will be hyperlinking when my website has been completed and proof readed, which will be soon hopefully.

if people think am nothing more than a bedroom dj with little experience, also with no business brains, why are you all getting uptight because ive put no.1 in, after working closey with elite i believe my banner now ok for being on here. took a while but got their in the end. cheers elite for your help.

i dont feel the need to list online yet untill i have a fully working website.

their are various other members, with banners with no contact details and i have left some space so i can fit in an number at a later date, or even transfur it back into paint shop and change the size of text ect ect, or even make it that much bigger in lengh, so extra information can be added.

[Shaun]

after working closey with elite i believe my banner now ok for being on here. cheers elite for your help.

Working closely with me?. All you did was ask my opinion on a banner you had already completed? Lol.

You're welcome anyway. :D

[Cheesey 1975]

Just my info

Banner looks good... Simple and says what it needs two as well

[501damian501]

:D :D gotta make is sound more professional :D :D

look at this for a pic.

this is just one of many...

if they do it without any issues, why carnt i :confused:

[soundtracker]

Just my info

Banner looks good... Simple and says what it needs two as well

To is a preposition which begins a prepositional phrase or an infinitive.

Too is an adverb meaning "excessively" or "also."

Two is a number. Many other words in English which reflect the number two are spelled with tw: twin, twice, between, tweezers, etc.

Examples: We went to a baseball game. (preposition)

We like to watch a good ball game. (infinitive)

We ate too much. (meaning "excessively")

I like baseball, too. (meaning "also")

Six divided by three is two. (number)

They own two Brittany spaniels. (number)

[501damian501]

Just my info

Banner looks good... Simple and says what it needs two as well

Where did you spring from Rich, how's it down in Brum? :D

[soundtracker]

if they do it without any issues, why carnt i :confused:

No reason why you can't, but I'll give you one reason why you shouldn't! As you provide no contact details yet, a simple google search on "NO 1 for Professional Entertainment & Leisure" by any prospective client will lead you to "camscottleisure.co.uk " Who also make the same dubious claim! Could well cost you business!

[501damian501]

No reason why you can't, but I'll give you one reason why you shouldn't! As you provide no contact details yet, a simple google search on "NO 1 for Professional Entertainment & Leisure" by any prospective client will lead you to "camscottleisure.co.uk " Who also make the same dubious claim! Could well cost you business!

cheers, dont worry about them, i wont loose no sleep over it, my site should be complete soon hopefully, "then they'll be rocking with the best, forget the rest" :D :D :D

[Marc J]

To hopefully finally settle the "what you can and can't claim to be" argument: -

http://www.asa.org.uk/cap/about/cap_non_broadcast/
http://www.asa.org.uk/cap/advice_online/good_advertising/Good+Advertising+Checklist.htm

See the "substantiation" part of the 2nd link, which mentions these three sections of the code: -

Section 3 - Substantiation (http://www.cap.org.uk/cap/codes/cap_code/ShowCode.htm?clause_id=1489)
Section 6 - Honesty (http://www.cap.org.uk/cap/codes/cap_code/ShowCode.htm?clause_id=1500)
Section 7 - Truthfulness (http://www.cap.org.uk/cap/codes/cap_code/ShowCode.htm?clause_id=1502)

Basically, you should be prepared to provide supporting evidence of any claims you make. In reality, the likelihood is that Advertising Standards are not going to ask - but that shouldn't stop you making unsubstantiated claims. All it takes is for someone to complain and they'll look into it...

[Shaun]

Interesting reading. Thanks for the links, Marc. :)

[Marc J]

Interesting reading. Thanks for the links, Marc. :)

You're welcome, however I just noticed this on the first link I posted: -


These are the areas we don’t cover:

• TV and radio ads (covered by our Broadcast arm)
• Claims companies make on their websites

It only covers non-broadcasted adverts...which I'm guessing a banner would fall into but the website it leads to isn't covered...

There's bound to be a code somewhere for unsubstabtiated claims on websites (probably Trading Standards), and I guess I should really know about it, but I don't :eek:

[501damian501]

To hopefully finally settle the "what you can and can't claim to be" argument: -

http://www.asa.org.uk/cap/about/cap_non_broadcast/
http://www.asa.org.uk/cap/advice_online/good_advertising/Good+Advertising+Checklist.htm

See the "substantiation" part of the 2nd link, which mentions these three sections of the code: -

Section 3 - Substantiation (http://www.cap.org.uk/cap/codes/cap_code/ShowCode.htm?clause_id=1489)
Section 6 - Honesty (http://www.cap.org.uk/cap/codes/cap_code/ShowCode.htm?clause_id=1500)
Section 7 - Truthfulness (http://www.cap.org.uk/cap/codes/cap_code/ShowCode.htm?clause_id=1502)

Basically, you should be prepared to provide supporting evidence of any claims you make. In reality, the likelihood is that Advertising Standards are not going to ask - but that shouldn't stop you making unsubstantiated claims. All it takes is for someone to complain and they'll look into it...

cheers, when advertising standards do contact me due to this, i will provide them all the necessary information, untill then, theirs no worrys.

i didnt realize putting no.1 could make such a storm, when i had we're the best, forget the rest plus no.1, in lettering, for acouple of days before putting a banner on here, gos to show this banner must stand out more, which is good.

[A1DL]

cheers, dont worry about them, i wont loose no sleep over it,

which means you will lose (or loose) sleep, Damian

Can you not make the effort to post using correct grammar?

[A1DL]

cheers, when advertising standards do contact me due to this, i will provide them all the necessary information, untill then, theirs no worrys.

Damian, can you not make the effort to spell check before posting?
Other forum members will take your posts far more seriously if they are of a reasonable standard of literacy. You wouldn't want to come across as a chavvy kid that can only communicate using "text talk"... would you?

[501damian501]

i am far from a chavvy kid, am a young respectable adult, who dresses smartly, with jeans, shirts and shoes.

[discomobiledj]

I was going to type something but won't do as I'll get a slap from Solitare Entertainments for asking that posts be written out in English.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I was going to type something but won't do as I'll get a slap from Solitare Entertainments for asking that posts be written out in English.

What? :confused:

[501damian501]

arrived back have we now ?

so what do you think about my banner then darren, come on be honest with me, head cheese :D , what about you tone :D

[A1DL]

haven't you got any homework tonight, Damian?

[discomobiledj]

haven't you got any homework tonight, Damian?

Not spelling then.

[501damian501]

i was awake at 6 this morning, done my house cleaning, been done a basic shop, done afew more things, done a banner, made several thousand phone calls, been on the phone to my girlfriend who is coming back tomorrow, cant wait, time for a rest i think. why homework, am 20 year old, not 2 !


Not spelling then.

spelling you can't talk mate, you checked out your website recently ?

[Jiggles]

Let me be blunt.

Its boring, bland and what's up with DJs being dark! Red, blue, green!?!? It screams for a three year old with paint!

[yourdj]

I would not say "no 1" as there is always someone else out there better in one way or another.

Otherwise not bad. to the point.

[501damian501]

Let me be blunt.

Its boring, bland and what's up with DJs being dark! Red, blue, green!?!? It screams for a three year old with paint!

the colours red blue green, ment to drive more customers towards your site, so i was reading the other night on an seo website, i want to be different.

[Jiggles]

Bit about SEO:
Forget about SEO and search engines and concentrate on what's really important, the people that read it.
From: http://www.pro-dezign.com/articles/seo-myth.html

[Penfold42]

hello, whats your views on my banner, i know its not "top notch", it should be once ive been over to my dads to use the other bits of software i have over at his place.

What do I think.......ummm.

It's clear enough but lacks punch.....it doesn't say what you do.
It's all on the right.....people read from left to right....maybe change them to the other way.
...what up with having the writing all in white....:)

[501damian501]

Content Removed: No need for that Damian.

[Dragonfly]

I quite like the colours personally the only thing i don't like is the .... at the end , makes me think theres more that should be there but you ran out of space or couldn't think what should come next also i think centred would look nicer. but i like the font and colours used.

[501damian501]

your 100% right their is more, thats what drives customers to have alook in more detail, because that leaves them wanting to know more.

[djsteve10]

:D :D gotta make is sound more professional :D :D

look at this for a pic.

this is just one of many...

if they do it without any issues, why carnt i :confused:

Ever heard of Terry Atha?
One of Yorkshire's biggest fairground operators, Famous for his several "Hell Blazer Waltzers" that have travelled the country.

[501damian501]

yes ive heard of terry atha, why you asking ?

plus many others from yorkshire

stewart robinson
curtis eddy
william percival
dowses
tubys
dunny tucker

ect ect

i use to spiel on waltzers, sometimes still get hired for my services, nottingham and hull in general.

[djsteve10]

yes ive heard of terry atha, why you asking ?

plus many others from yorkshire

stewart robinson
curtis eddy
william percival
dowses
tubys
dunny tucker

ect ect

i use to spiel on waltzers, sometimes still get hired for my services, nottingham and hull in general.

So you will have worked for Terry Atha as he provides the Waltzer for the Hull yearly fair?

[501damian501]

theirs many others at hull other than his, also we hopefully will see the return of albert evans, which rocked hull back in the 90's, which then i will be djing on his plus spiel, i dont just do waltzers, superbowls, major rides, i also operate them as a back up, am also going to offer this as a service for my business next year.

as regards to terry athas machine, yes kinda nice machine, but nothing compaired to what ive seen in my time, i have travelled as high up scotland and as low as dorset area.

[djsteve10]

theirs many others at hull other than his, also we hopefully will see the return of albert evans, which rocked hull back in the 90's, which then i will be djing on his plus spiel, i dont just do waltzers, superbowls, major rides, i also operate them as a back up, am also going to offer this as a service for my business next year.

Where do you find time to do £750 weddings then as fairs run pretty much all around the year as far as I know.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

What has any of this got to do with banners?

Have I walked in on a parallel universe?

[Jiggles]

Welcome to Damians Threads.

[501damian501]

i dont go out gigging, someone else does that for me at the moment, because i cant drive, the fairs i catch a train, or get picked up, hereford was nice what i did last year, i forgot the name of the pub where the machine was, very nice though.

oh i am also toying with the idea of a chocolate fountain, might aswell get the girlfriend in on my operation aswell.

hold tight gills....

[Shaun]

Back on topic!