Oh what a Night x ONE MILLION

[Charlie Brown]

Oh My God! What a night....but what a night x one million! 200 children (same lot who were at my Notts County party) but without security! I arrived in a mini bus as Dad couldn't take me so that was £90 of my hard earned cash already...whether is what hard earned or not I don't know, you can decide for yourselves in a bit;) Setup for 7.30pm and my rig was looking rather neat for me I must say.

The hotel I was working at was called "The Rutland Square." http://www.rutlandsquarehotel.co.uk/The name and website say it all:) They were very tight on PAT testing etc. I managed to speak to you guys just before 8.00pm. There was a lot of hanging around involved until the party started at 9.00pm. The girl whose party it was is called "Suni" and it was her 16th. She didn't believe she needed security and her parents hired two 17 year olds to sell tickets on the door. Very dodgy setup if you ask me.... Everyone started arriving by 9.00pm and they were only around 120.

The hotel was very shocked at how people were behaving and weren’t expect it at all. For me it was just the norm. I had a full dance floor until I the manager comes up to me in a panic... "There is a girl being sick outside, can you please call her friends on the microphone to go and help her" I do a quick shout on the mic and everything is fine for around 10 minutes. The manager then comes back up to me and says "The mother is on the way and she didn't sound very happy but I will keep you posted" I have a paid roddie tonight so I'm able to go off and see what’s happening. I go outside to see a girl lying in a pool of sick and her mum shouting at every living thing in her sight. I can immediately see what has happened. The girl has drunk too much and her mother doesn’t like it. The girl then all of a sudden sat up and the mother ran over shouting; "My Darling Kate what have they put you through..What have they made you do, they are :Censored:s" The girl then tells her mother how her drink was spiked and she became very dizzy. The mother believes her which is crazy! I have to take a step back to see if I’m imagining things or is that woman really naive. The next thing the mother pulls out her mobile phone and calls 999. She SCREAMS down the phone shouting at the operator explaining that her darling little daughters drink has been spiked. I was furious and was contemplating taking the phone off her and speaking to the operator myself. The manager was there. I'm a professional guy so took a step back and didn't comment.

I went back to my set to make another announcement. I played an air raid siren and then said "Boys and Girls we have The Bill drama coming to Nottingham, so can we all be on our best behaviour.” There was as lot of booing and laughter and I carried on the music. The next thing I know the manager walks up to the electricity point and yanks out my two plugs. Amps, laptop etc all cut off. I’m not best pleased at this as he could have politely said “can you please cut the music off, were closing down the party.” I ask him if I can plug my equipment back in so I can explain to everyone on the mic what is happening. On the mic I ask everybody to leave the building to the the doors on their right.

The next thing I know some sort of riot takes place. Boys charge into each other and smash into the girls. The girls then pick up this huge wedding cake (which is for the wedding party next door) and they start throwing it around the room. They then get some more and more! The next thing I know blood, cake and people are flying around the toom! It was absolute bedlam. I have never witnessed such behaviour in my life...especially from “clever high school students.” I simply can’t put it into words. I then come back on the mic and explain that everyone must leave the building now. The next thing the fire alarms start going off and sprinklers start on the toilets! I simply couldn’t believe what I was seeing. The manager looks like she is about to faint. There is no security. No parents. Just her, one bar staff and 120 drunk kids. I try to help clear people out but don’t get too involved for my own safety.

Eventually the animals are outside. The hotel has to shut the automatic barriers as kids start throwing stones and pebbles at the windows. I start packing down listening to the sound of 120 kids. I then hear the police. After 20 mins of the packing down my rig I can’t help but to go and have a look what is going on. I missed most of the drama but managed to grab a video of boys jumping on cars!

Crazy crazy people....if only I had a video for the wedding cake fight....sprinklers....and the uproar outside.

Sorry for the bad English and grammar. I’m in a rush as I’m trying to learn French verbs...but I had to let you know.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Kxuyt7yS35Q:)

[Excalibur]

Charlie, I'm sorry but my gigs sound sooooooooooooo boring compared to yours. Do you need a roadie for the next one? £30.










It's all I can afford at the moment. :D :D :D :D :D

Seriously, well done again, you obviously have a very wise head on such young shoulders. :D

[Grahame Case]

hope you were getting paid well Charlie

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Are you sure you don't live on a TV show Charlie?

[Charlie Brown]

Haha yeah thanks guys...well it was rather exciting, just can't believe how they behave! If anyone in my area would like me to go and roadie with them I would be happy to do it for free:)

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Haha yeah thanks guys...well it was rather exciting, just can't believe how they behave! If anyone in my area would like me to go and roadie with them I would be happy to do it for free:)

I fear anyone elses gigs may be a bit boring for you!

[A1DL]

did you have an adult with you, Charlie?

[ScottThompson]

:lol:

[One Vision]

What darlings

[Charlie Brown]

did you have an adult with you, Charlie?
Nope....minibus there and back. I'm Mr Independent from now on.:)


I fear anyone elses gigs may be a bit boring for you!
I don't know...all this drama can quite tiring. I'm looking forward to my gig next week. Non stop motown and cheese that I can jig and dance along to behind my set:D :D

[A1DL]

Nope....minibus there and back. I'm Mr Independent from now on.:)


Charlie, the bottom line is you are still a minor.

Does your PLI policy cover when you work without a supervising adult in attendance?

[wensleydale]

its not too professional posting a clip on youtube though charlie.
i'd think about taking that down.

[Charlie Brown]

Charlie, the bottom line is you are still a minor.

Does your PLI policy cover when you work without a supervising adult in attendance?

And this is the point when I get shouted at and abused....I wasn't going to say :o but as of yet I don't have PLI. I will do in six months when I turn 16. If I did have it I wouldn't be covered. Who's name would it go under? Sometimes I go by myself...sometimes dad takes me...sometimes mum takes me. I literally had the debit card in my hand but the lady at DJ Guard kind of put me off....I didn't expect my little hobby to turn into a small business....so maybe now is the time to invest in that. Don't get me wrong, its not that I don't want it or think I don't need it...or can't afford it....just whose name does it go under?


its not too professional posting a clip on youtube though charlie.
i'd think about taking that down.

It was simply to show you guys:)

[Penfold42]

Are you sure you don't live on a TV show Charlie?

Jackanory?

[Tom]

I agree on the video.

I can hear you saying that the police are coming. Others in the video dont really care about being on camera.

If it was me I would of stayed out the way and not interact with the children. Let them play and get told off. You are better than that!


Also I thought you had to be 18 to hold PLI???

[A1DL]

And this is the point when I get shouted at and abused....I wasn't going to say :o but as of yet I don't have PLI. I will do in six months when I turn 16. If I did have it I wouldn't be covered. Who's name would it go under? Sometimes I go by myself...sometimes dad takes me...sometimes mum takes me. I literally had the debit card in my hand but the lady at DJ Guard kind of put me off....I didn't expect my little hobby to turn into a small business....so maybe now is the time to invest in that. Don't get me wrong, its not that I don't want it or think I don't need it...or can't afford it....just whose name does it go under?


Charlie, I pointed this out to you on this forum last March. You can't be "Mr Independent" - you are a CHILD. It matters not whether you are earning money from your hobby, the point is you have no insurance which could have EXTREMELY serious LIVE CHANGING consequences for you and your parents if something goes wrong.

Until you become an adult, your activities and PLI should be in the name of a responsible parent or guardian and they should be present at all times (assuming this is a condition of the Insurer, which it is very likely to be)

Charlie, I will make no apologies for being hard hitting with this, as it is for YOUR own sake and that of your parents. If they own a house, how would they feel if they have to sell up and rent a flat for the rest of their lives... because their son worked as a DJ with no insurance? That's how serious it COULD be. Sort it out.

[Penfold42]

I personally think that this type of thing gives the industry a bad reputation.

If I were to believe it.

[Charlie Brown]

:o :o :o

Ok ok.....your right.

I have had a quote from DJ Guard. Covers £3,000 worth of equipment.Cover outside of insured location and no voluntary excess. Just in the UK. Hire cover, breakdown cover, in vehicle insurance. 5m Public Liability and £10,000 personal accident. All this for £19.87 a month-£211.00 a year....

Does this seem reasonable A1. Would this cover me?

Many thanks....and sorry:( :)

Charlie

[ppentertainments]

I personally think that this type of thing gives the industry a bad reputation.

If I were to believe it.

Not wanting to sound like a boring old :Censored: , I agree.
If these things go on at your discos, you need to have a good long think if you intend making any career of this. Whether its your fault or not - the reputation will stick.

i only believe the story as I have seen this sort of thing happen in hotels I used to work in, however the DJ would without doubt have a bad report afterwards.

[A1DL]

Would this cover me?

Charlie


No. But it could cover your parents or guardian.

[Charlie Brown]

No. But it could cover your parents or guardian.

Yeah yeah you know what I mean...ah ok well I make that a job to do this week. Thank you A1, I know you mean well. I promise I will do it this time too...

[PropellerHeadCase]

I'm most appalled that the hotel took the booking without parents or security as a prerequisite. The 'smarter' kids are the stupider they tend to be, by comparison, on alcohol.

[soundtracker]

The Hotel got what they deserved, serving alcohol to minors should have cost them their licence. To have no security at such an event, is like a DJ with no PLI, a disaster just waiting to happen.

[Charlie Brown]

I'm most appalled that the hotel took the booking without parents or security as a prerequisite. The 'smarter' kids are the stupider they tend to be, by comparison, on alcohol.


The Hotel got what they deserved, serving alcohol to minors should have cost them their licence. To have no security at such an event, is like a DJ with no PLI, a disaster just waiting to happen.

True say true say...but the hotel didn't serve them alcohol...the children just took it in..::confused:
Normally bags are searched...but not this time:bang:

[soundtracker]

True say true say...but the hotel didn't serve them alcohol...the children just took it in..::confused:
Normally bags are searched...but not this time:bang:

As I said, To have no security at such an event, is like a DJ with no PLI, a disaster just waiting to happen.

[Charlie Brown]

As I said, To have no security at such an event, is like a DJ with no PLI, a disaster just waiting to happen.

And I couldn't agree more:)

[DJ James Lake]

Charlie please dont take this the wrong way, but I think the way you handled the announcement about the police coming by playing the sirens and the bill theme kind of made a mockery out of what message you were trying to get across and probably fueled the atmosphere of the kids who generally would of seen it as a comical situation which was the complete opposite of the intention in the manager which I would not call very professional.

As Djs we really need to think before we talk.

[Dynamic Entertainment]

Its like asking who orderd the stripper when they turn up, gives the drunks a laugh and annoys the bobbies.

[DJ James Lake]

Its like asking who orderd the stripper when they turn up, gives the drunks a laugh and annoys the bobbies.

Yes but with a room full of kids its also like saying the old bill are on the way but we all know it will take them ages so mess around as much as you can before hand.

[Shakermaker Promotions]

James, you said exactly what I was going to say and I am surprised no'one else mentioned it. I hate to say it Charlie but I think you helped make a dodgy situation just that little bit worse.

[Tom]

Makes me think. If you were on your own, Who was looking after your gear??? Anything could of gone missing at anytime you were outside filming everything.

I don't want to sound to harsh but I know your are young and want to "have a laugh" but, you said you hobby was turning into a career, or along the lines of. Acting the way you had could affect possible jobs as well as other things.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

OK, let's keep the criticism constructive please.

Charlie is young and inexperienced and there are some situations where he has made the wrong choice, but let's not forget his age. In other threads, he has showed a remarkable maturity in handling situations and let's not forget that these unfortunate circumstances are not his own doing.

He will take advice on board I am sure and I do not want this to turn into a mud slinging contest.

Charlie, you need a responsible person with you, to look after you if things goes drastically wrong. I was 15 when I started and suffered from a few problems like you and understand what it's like so do sympathise. (There you go, that's a first from me!)

[Excalibur]

Seems to me the Hotel didn't cover themselves in glory either. Good odds they got sold a dummy by a posh parent. ;)


OK, let's keep the criticism constructive please.

Charlie is young and inexperienced and there are some situations where he has made the wrong choice, but let's not forget his age. In other threads, he has showed a remarkable maturity in handling situations and let's not forget that these unfortunate circumstances are not his own doing.

He will take advice on board I am sure and I do not want this to turn into a mud slinging contest.

Charlie, you need a responsible person with you, to look after you if things goes drastically wrong. I was 15 when I started and suffered from a few problems like you and understand what it's like so do sympathise. (There you go, that's a first from me!)
Good heavens Darren! Are you feeling alright? :confused: :p :D

Actually sensible words from Darren, and mud slinging is a pointless exercise. Constructive criticism is however something useful, whic I'm sure Charlie will take on board.
Tom, I'm sure I read Charlie saying he had a roadie, that's why he could go see the young lady who had imbibed a little too much. ;)

[Shakermaker Promotions]

Darren, with respect mate...I thought what I said was constructive and wasn't meant malicious at all. I have big respect for Charlie for doing what he is doing at his age. I wish I had the get up and go at his age. I just feel that what he did at the time (and he'll learn from this if he hasn't already), wasn't helping the situation.
Apologies if that wasn't aimed at me.

[Dynamic Entertainment]

I agree with Darren, when i joined i didnt even realise how old he was, his posts are far older than him. :)

Its a lesson learned and his approach with the police would have probably went down a lot better if he done it in a pub, full of adults who (mostly) know how to behave. Im sure everyone can think of at least one occasion where they could have handles a situation differently (maybe not a disco situation). I do agree Charlie that your best bet, regardless of the age of the punters, is to stay with your gear at all times. Ive had stuff knicked in "a old mans pub" (sorry to the older ones on here but even you can probably think of a dated pub with the 90yr old bitter drinkers!) so age aint important when folk see something they want! :)

[rob1963]

Charlie is young and inexperienced and there are some situations where he has made the wrong choice, but let's not forget his age. In other threads, he has showed a remarkable maturity in handling situations and let's not forget that these unfortunate circumstances are not his own doing.

Very well put, Darren...and I couldn't agree more.

This thread reminded me why I don't do kids parties or 18ths (or even most 21sts, come to that!).

[Excalibur]

Very well put, Darren...and I couldn't agree more.

This thread reminded me why I don't do kids parties or 18ths (or even most 21sts, come to that!).

Wuss! :p Keeps an old man like me young. ;) :D








( Mind you, some of the outfits NYE nearly made a happy man very old. :D )

[DJ James Lake]

If the comment about mud slinging was aimed at my post. It wasn't meant in any way as mud slinging and I appologise if anyone sees it that way. It was meant totally constructive and so the same mistake isnt made in future.

It really doesnt matter about age, I know a DJ locally who is 35 and believe me Charly shows a lot more maturity at 15 than him. It surprises me that this guy has not ended up in hospital the things he says at times and is totally unaware of the way things sound snd the consequences that could occur.

At the end of the day if no one points out how it could have been the wrong thing to say how could charlie learn and one day it may be something a lot bigger and both he and his gear could be at risk.

This forum i am sure is a huge help to Charlie, there was nothing about like this when I started and I like many others here have had to learn the hard way.

[DJ INDIE]

Can I just ask one or two things here - with Charlie being still new to the game he might benefit from the following:


why did the manager pass on all responsibility to Charlie here?

there was a girl being ssick outside - so he asked Charlie to announce it or for her friends to go and help her - instant reaction from the crowd no doubt is "whheyyyyyyy !!!!! " followed by a big cheer.

then the girls mother coming is nothing to do with the DJ - why should he keep the DJ informed? - shes irrate at either her daughter or someone at the party - IT IS NOT the DJs job to sort out troublesome guests or guests parents. OR to be TOLD announce this or announce that.

Its the managers job to oversee and sort the trouble or stop it at source.

Charlie, my advice to you - and I know its hard when youre young and have to speak back or disagree with adults, especially those in authority (and who should know better) but dont let managers shirk their own responsibilty and pass it on to you - you are there to entertain, not manage and especially not get involved in 'sorting' trouble out. trying to stop it or difusing before it happens if you can maybe, but not sorting it. despite this not being your job - it could also be very dangerous should you get mixed up with the wrong crowd.

if you feel a manager is putting on you or making you announce or do things you feel could comprimise you, your gear or your safety, then explain to him why you feel he would be better doing that himself.

ive wittered on a bit there, and youll probably only understand what i mean with a few years more experience as you may take the managers actions to be the norm, but hopefully this might help you stay out of any awkward situations before you get put into them.

[wensleydale]

i think the comments were constructive- my view is that running round with a camera videoing the whole thing and highlighting that the police are on the way was not a good thing to do and if anything could have encouraged them- ideally this should be avoided in the future.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Darren, with respect mate...I thought what I said was constructive and wasn't meant malicious at all. I have big respect for Charlie for doing what he is doing at his age. I wish I had the get up and go at his age. I just feel that what he did at the time (and he'll learn from this if he hasn't already), wasn't helping the situation.
Apologies if that wasn't aimed at me.

It wasn't aimed at you or anyone in particular. I like Charlie immensely and think we should help and advise all of our young members. They are the future of this business after all.

[JAMdisco]

Did you use a contract for the booking Charlie.
I always do, and it states in my T&C's :-

8) The client will provide adequate supervision of guests (especially children) at the venue, and will be liable for any loss of, or damage to, our equipment other than that caused by general wear and tear.

I've never been questioned about this and would probably have refused to play until an adult was present.
Easy to say in hindsight but maybe something you should consider in future.

I wouldn't dwell on this gig too much and put it down to experience - it's these kind of things that make an experienced DJ just that, experienced!

Good luck with your future bookings mate :D

[Corabar Steve]

Why do you insist on posting this sort of thing Charlie?

It belongs on Jeremy Kyle or Jerry Springer's shows not on a mobile disco forum.

Those idiots jumping on the cars really deserve the owners to be built like a brick outhouse with a short temper . If I caught anyone jumping on our car they wouldn't be able to jump again for a very long time.

You seem to revel in the fact that this sort of thing happens at your gigs. This sort of behaviour (apart from the legal aspects) is just plain idiotic.

It might be an idea to pass on that video to your local police, I'm sure the owners of the cars would appreciate anything that helps identify the perpetrators of the damage to their vehicles.

This is a sad indictment of the state of the world today

[Bouncy Dancefloor]

whilst the original poster may seem mature at times, i fear this thread is just an example of immaturity shining through. Why were you even outside as the girl was being sick, why were you outside as the police arrived? Yes thats right, you got excited and didnt want to miss any of the gossip. Id have stuck with my equipment and started packing down

[discomobiledj]

Why do you insist on posting this sort of thing Charlie?

It belongs on Jeremy Kyle or Jerry Springer's shows not on a mobile disco forum.

Those idiots jumping on the cars really deserve the owners to be built like a brick outhouse with a short temper . If I caught anyone jumping on our car they wouldn't be able to jump again for a very long time.

You seem to revel in the fact that this sort of thing happens at your gigs. This sort of behaviour (apart from the legal aspects) is just plain idiotic.

It might be an idea to pass on that video to your local police, I'm sure the owners of the cars would appreciate anything that helps identify the perpetrators of the damage to their vehicles.

This is a sad indictment of the state of the world today

I agree, if that was my car the little twit would have woken up the next morning in hospital.

I hope you've now decided not to do any more disco's like this. For a hotel so hot on PAT, I'm surprised they didn't enquire about PLI.

Have you now taken the video off youtube yet. If you want it on there that much then create another profile.

[rob1963]

I don't think it's a good idea for posters to infer they'd use violence if they found someone jumping on their car.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

[soundtracker]

I don't think it's a good idea for posters to infer they'd use violence if they found someone jumping on their car.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

So you'd just stand there and applaud their contribution to society would you!

[Corabar Steve]

& you wouldn't? It's easy to take the moral high ground until you find somebody tampering with something that belongs to you.


I would restrain the culprit, using the precise amount of force necessary. If they struggle you increase the force.

A few weeks ago I returned from the toilet to find somebody messyng with my rig. I was able to approach without them seeing me, I tapped them on the shoulder leaned towards them & said "you'll regret it". In this situation that was all that was needed to extract a most sincere & heartfelt apology. Sometimes a little more pressure is needed, that's all I'm saying.

[rob1963]

So you'd just stand there and applaud their contribution to society would you!

Of course not. That's not what I said, as you well know.

If any members would break someones legs or put them in hospital for jumping on their car, I don't think they should be posting about it on a family friendly forum.

[Corabar Steve]

Of course not. That's not what I said, as you well know.

If any members would break someones legs or put them in hospital for jumping on their car, I don't think they should be posting about it on a family friendly forum.
Did I say that? I think not.

I agree, if that was my car the little twit would have woken up the next morning in hospital.Yeah that Turtlewax can be slippery, like jumping on ice. :sj:

[soundtracker]

If any members would break someones legs or put them in hospital for jumping on their car, I don't think they should be posting about it on a family friendly forum.

That's not what anyone said, as you well know.

And how pray would you deal with such a situation?

[rob1963]

That's not what anyone said, as you well know.

It was very strongly inferred in a couple of posts.


And how pray would you deal with such a situation?

To be honest, I don't know, although It wouldn't involve violence, as being in prison would seriously affect my business.

It's one of those situations where you don't know how you'd react until it actually happened.

[Corabar Steve]

It was very strongly inferred in a couple of posts.


I can't speak for the other Steve, but I most certainly did nothing of the sort. I even clarified my position a couple of posts later.

[soundtracker]

It was very strongly inferred in a couple of posts.





Actually the only person who directly mentioned violence i.e breaking legs, was you!

[rob1963]

Actually the only person who directly mentioned violence i.e breaking legs, was you!

At least I didn't condone it.

The complete opposite, in fact...although I seem to be the only one.

No wonder things are the way they are.

[soundtracker]

At least I didn't condone it.



But surely you are condoning the act of violence to the persons property by your inaction?
Steve C has already stated his meaning, so are you calling him a liar?

[Corabar Steve]

No wonder things are the way they are.Yeah, no wonder. When people are afraid to stand up to mindless idiots like the ones in the video, for fear of repercussions, or ending up in trouble themselves.

Once upon a time the police would've turned up, haulled the little knob off the car & given him a clip round the ear. He would've thought twice about doing it again. I assume none of them were charged with anything & therefore they'll see no reason not to do it again (until they meet with the aforementioned brick outhouse with a short fuse & then it'll be too late)

[Shakermaker Promotions]

Rob, it may well be a family forum and accessible to the public but I didn't see any mention of anyone saying that they would break someone's legs. I think that even if someone did come out and say what they would do then there would be very good reasons for them doing it.....but they haven't.

What would I do? Let's just say that myself and Steve think along the same lines although he puts it better than I do.

[Excalibur]

Why do you insist on posting this sort of thing Charlie?

It belongs on Jeremy Kyle or Jerry Springer's shows not on a mobile disco forum.

Those idiots jumping on the cars really deserve the owners to be built like a brick outhouse with a short temper . If I caught anyone jumping on our car they wouldn't be able to jump again for a very long time.

You seem to revel in the fact that this sort of thing happens at your gigs. This sort of behaviour (apart from the legal aspects) is just plain idiotic.

It might be an idea to pass on that video to your local police, I'm sure the owners of the cars would appreciate anything that helps identify the perpetrators of the damage to their vehicles.

This is a sad indictment of the state of the world today
Showing your age Steve. ;) :D


whilst the original poster may seem mature at times, i fear this thread is just an example of immaturity shining through. Why were you even outside as the girl was being sick, why were you outside as the police arrived? Yes thats right, you got excited and didnt want to miss any of the gossip. Id have stuck with my equipment and started packing down
Not sure that's fair.


I don't think it's a good idea for posters to infer they'd use violence if they found someone jumping on their car.

Two wrongs don't make a right.
Totally agreed.


So you'd just stand there and applaud their contribution to society would you!

No. But I wouldn't ( as I'm sure nobody on here would either) threaten violence on a Public Forum. ;) I might very easily have a quiet word in their ear, and attempt to show them the error of their ways however. ;) Discreetly. ;) Firmly. ;) They usually come round to my way of thinking.

[soundtracker]

Showing your age Steve. ;) :D
No. But I wouldn't ( as I'm sure nobody on here would either) threaten violence on a Public Forum. ;) I might very easily have a quiet word in their ear, and attempt to show them the error of their ways however. ;) Discreetly. ;) Firmly. ;) They usually come round to my way of thinking.

Which is exactly where we were, BEFORE Rob started breaking peoples legs!

[Excalibur]

Which is exactly where we were, BEFORE Rob started breaking peoples legs!

Violent little tinker, isn't he? :confused: :D :D

[soundtracker]

Violent little tinker, isn't he? :confused: :D :D

Not sure you're allowed to call him a tinker anymore! World's gone mad!

[rob1963]

But surely you are condoning the act of violence to the persons property by your inaction?

With all due respect, In my opinion that's one of the most ridiculous things you've ever said.


Which is exactly where we were, BEFORE Rob started breaking peoples legs!

ME breaking peoples legs? :confused:

I wasn't the one who said that if I caught someone jumping on my car they wouldn't be able to jump again for a very long time, and I wasn't the one who said the person responsible would have woken up the next morning in hospital.

Anyway, I've already made my views on this clear, so lets move on.

[soundtracker]

With all due respect, In my opinion that's one of the most ridiculous things you've ever said.

I don't think that's ridiculous at all, if you stand idly by whilst someone else is committing a crime, that makes you culpable.


ME breaking peoples legs? :confused:
.

If you read back in the thread, it was you that introduced the breaking of legs - sorry but its there in black and white.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Why do you insist on posting this sort of thing Charlie?

It belongs on Jeremy Kyle or Jerry Springer's shows not on a mobile disco forum.



That may be so, but he has as much right to post as anyone else.

Everyone has the right to report on gigs and Charlie is no exception.

[Corabar Steve]

Doesn't exactly do him any favours though does it?

[Excalibur]

That may be so, but he has as much right to post as anyone else.

Everyone has the right to report on gigs and Charlie is no exception.


Doesn't exactly do him any favours though does it?

Having viewed the video now, on balance, I reckon both the above posts are valid. :(

[Sapphire Disco]

That may be so, but he has as much right to post as anyone else.

Everyone has the right to report on gigs and Charlie is no exception.

I totally agree , it seems to me that for a young chap of his age he is doing very well and I am sure he will learn from this incident.

He needs encouragement and help, there are not enough youngsters out there with the bottle to go out and do it for themselves.

[rob1963]

it seems to me that for a young chap of his age he is doing very well and I am sure he will learn from this incident.

He needs encouragement and help, there are not enough youngsters out there with the bottle to go out and do it for themselves.

Spot on.

We all learn throughout our life, and the younger we are, the more we have to learn.

[soundtracker]

I totally agree , it seems to me that for a young chap of his age he is doing very well and I am sure he will learn from this incident.

He needs encouragement and help, there are not enough youngsters out there with the bottle to go out and do it for themselves.

I also agree, on the proviso that he sorts out the PLI situation, his gigs do seem to attract problems.

[Excalibur]

Spot on.

We all learn throughout our life, and the younger we are, the more we have to learn.

Ah but, Young Rob. As some of us regularly demonstrate, you're never too old to learn. ;) :D Remember yes, learn no. :( :(

[rob1963]

Ah but, Young Rob. As some of us regularly demonstrate, you're never too old to learn. ;) :D Remember yes, learn no. :( :(

I can't argue with any of that.

I'd like to...but I cant! :p

[Penfold42]

That may be so, but he has as much right to post as anyone else.

Everyone has the right to report on gigs and Charlie is no exception.


Doesn't exactly do him any favours though does it?

I also :agree:........but it still does not sit well with me.

Yes he is young...and people probebly did take advantage of this.....but I still feel Charlie stepped outside of what he was there to do.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Doesn't exactly do him any favours though does it?

Perhaps not, but, he is obviously putting these threads up for advice and help, so he can do the right thing next time.

[Excalibur]

Perhaps not, but, he is obviously putting these threads up for advice and help, so he can do the right thing next time.

And he's certainly getting plenty. ;) :D

[Charlie Brown]

This is all quite exciting for me...I love it when people reply to my posts:) :D Let me have a read through and I will answer and explain as best I can because I think quite a few of you have got the wrong end of the stick...let me have a read, then I will explain:)

(BTW wow, thanks Darren, just read your post, and didn't expect that at all! And coming from the DJ king himself.....:) :) I have a right mind to treasure that!

[Charlie Brown]

Right well, here I go and please ignore the mound of spelling mistakes-I think I have deleted word on my computer. I always have to copy and paste it into word for spell check!:)

Just got back from a french exam at school...all I could say is "J'ai habite dans un masion" and then sat there for an hour, whilest all the other clever sods scribbled away:( I don't know if you can remember when I first came on the forum I always used to blame my dyslexia for spelling things wrong....it's obviously come back with that french!

Right please let me explain with the "bill are coming to nottingham" and myself going outside with the cammera. Incase you arn't aware the people attending the party are nearly all from my school and a good 80% I'm freinds with and a good percent I'm very good freinds with. This and freinds are my enjoyment in life, espically when home life can be :Censored:

For years now I'm known as the "guy who likes a laugh" "easy to get along with" and although it pains me to say it "drama queen." I knew it was safe for me to turn the music off and speak on the mic to all my freinds and say "The Bill are coming to Nottingham" because I knew the reaction I would get. They all laughed and said "thats typical of Charlie, always has a positive view on things." At that time there were no cake fights etc, because the police were simply coming to "investigate the mothers claim," and NOT shut down the party. Believe you me I would not dream of saying that if it was a "private" doo (with people I didn't know) because YES its dam right un-professional and YES it could provoke problems. I have been with those people for years and I know them all well enough to be able to have a joke with them without it turning out into carnaige.

The cake fight and "riot" happend around 15 minutes after I expalind on the mic about "The Bill coming." They all started booing and fighting when the manager bursts into the room, turnes on the lights and pulled out all my mains leads. That's when the trouble started-not before! The people involved in the cake fight were not from my school-and I dont have any dealings with them.

I had to deal with the girl who was being sick because I'm held responsible for these parties, even though I didnt't organise this one. I know of her, and whoever it is I dont mind helping out. I would be a ignorant prat to simply say "No" and not help her. I was probably the only sober one at the party too.

I went outside to video the incidents outside because my roodie was packing down and a lot of my freinds were out there. Again I wouldnt dream of videoing it if I didn't know the clients. The vandals jumping on the cars-again I dont know. We do get one or two other schools come, which is normally half the trouble.

Yes I made them sign my terms and conditions and booking form BEFORE the party started because I had a gut feeling it was going to happen.

Yes I will do them again actually. They are very very good money, but a night (although its mayhem) I quite enjoy. I love taking control, looking after people, and sorting out problems. I sell most of the tickets for these events etc.

I post these threads on here because it gives you guys a little insight of what I'm up to. If it's "damanging" the forum then I wont do it in the near future. Don't get me wrong I much prefer 50ths and 60ths and do a lot of them....but I leave you guys to tell us about those parties and I will tell the "out of the ordinary stuff." :)

I have the rest of my life to be "Mr Serious DJ" and I know that the petty comment I slipped in did not start/cause/was the effect of what happened that night.

Those who may think I like a goss or that I'm immature, or that maybe I shouldn't be doing the amount I am doing because of my age. Thats fine and we all entitled to my opinion and I respect that:) There are a few things I would like to say to some people-but I dont rise to them because they probably know best....coughsoundtrackercoughbouncydancefloorcoug h.

[Excalibur]

Charlie, up to the last line I was full of admiration for you, I feel the Hotel Management must bear the brunt of the criticism. However, I reckon you would do well to have a little more respect for some folk on here, many of whom have been aroung the block a time or two. ;) Experience is valuable, and antagonising folk on here is not the best way of getting us to share ours with you.
Well done mate, but just wind your neck in a bit. ;)

[Shakermaker Promotions]

Charlie, I've done things in the past and learnt from them the hard way. I won't go into them all on here right now as it's probably not worth it but I am thought of the same way as you really...in that I mean that people know I like a good laugh etc etc.
One thing I will tell you (and this only happened about 3 years ago) was once I was DJing at a venue in the town centre. It was one of my regular Indie nights and it was at a venue that was free entry. It was a very popular night and always busy and most of the time it was packed with punters that loved the music but every now and then you would get one or two idiots in. Obviously, the doorstaff and myself didn't know they were idiots at the time until it was too late. Both of the following incidents happened on one night:

The first one was early on at around 11pm. A guy came up to me and said "Play something decent mate"...I got on the defensive straight away and asked him what he thought was 'decent'...He replied by listing a load of RnB & Hip Hop tracks. I laughed at him and told him to open his eyes and read the posters...He didn't like that and I watched him walk off back to his mates and when he got there he did the 'knuckle shuffle' sign in my direction. I got quite wound up at that but decided to put a track on for them which happened to be 'Gay Bar' by Electric Six (someone had asked for it earlier). I said over the mic that it was for the guys at the bar and pointed at the guy who had given me the sign earlier. He steamed over on a mission and went for me big time. He missed me when he went to punch me and within seconds the doormen had them out the door. On that occasion I should have just ignored them but I am not the type to ignore idiots like that and he should've remembered that I had the mic. I learnt a lesson then in that I should be careful what I play and what I say sometimes.

The second incident that night was along the same lines. I can't remember why to be honest but for some reason I had my West Ham football shirt on whilst I was DJing (bad mistake). It was gone midnight and everything was going well, loads of people dancing etc etc and from out of nowhere, this guy comes over and taps me on the shoulder. I turn around and he grabs my arm and says "West Ham scum" right in my face and then proceeds to show me a Man Utd tattoo on his arm. He won't let me go and as much as I struggle, I can't get away from him. The doormen noticed and 'escorted' him out but as he is on his way out the door I get on the mic and shout "Up the 'Ammers!"...He hears me, struggles with the doormen and tries to get back to me. Luckily he didn't make it. I learnt from there that I have to be careful what I say and unfortunately...what I wear! I was innocently wearing a football shirt...but to some people, that is a red rag to a bull. I haven't done it since.

None of us are perfect Charlie and we've all done stupid things in the past (if we're honest)...simple as that really.

[soundtracker]

I don't really care what you think about me, its not going to affect me or my business one iota. My only reason for joining this forum was to attempt to do something to help drive this industry forward. In my view, you shouldn't be working without having someone responsible alongside you that is covered by PLI, imho age isn't an excuse for not doing things properly.

[Excalibur]

Charlie, I've done things in the past and learnt from them the hard way. I won't go into them all on here right now as it's probably not worth it but I am thought of the same way as you really...in that I mean that people know I like a good laugh etc etc.

None of us are perfect Charlie and we've all done stupid things in the past (if we're honest)...simple as that really.

Like playing "You'll never walk alone" to a wedding reception of Evertonians. :eek: :( I lived to tell the tale. :D

[Charlie Brown]

I don't really care what you think about me, its not going to affect me or my business one iota. My only reason for joining this forum was to attempt to do something to drive this industry forward. In my view, you shouldn't be working without having someone responsible alongside you that is covered by PLI. we drum on and on about cowboy DJs on this forum, imho age isn't an excuse for not doing things properly.

That's fine and I agree with you about cowboy DJ's etc...but you just seem to be so misserable. I dont think I have ever read a post from you where you have congratulated someone or put some positive feedback into somthing or someone. Life's to short to find a negative out of everything:)

[soundtracker]

That's fine and I agree with you about cowboy DJ's etc...but you just seem to be so misserable. I dont think I have ever read a post from you where you have congratulated someone or put some positive feedback into somthing or someone. Life's to short to find a negative out of everything:)

Try reading more then:mad:

[Charlie Brown]

Charlie, up to the last line I was full of admiration for you, I feel the Hotel Management must bear the brunt of the criticism. However, I reckon you would do well to have a little more respect for some folk on here, many of whom have been aroung the block a time or two. ;) Experience is valuable, and antagonising folk on here is not the best way of getting us to share ours with you.
Well done mate, but just wind your neck in a bit. ;)

Exacilbur thats the point....I don't mind that. I don't post on here to get praise, because what will that do or help? I love this forum and the people on it. I get called sad etc at school, because when I come home instead of going on MSN or Facebook I go straight to this site. I mean lets be realistic. Just look how far I have come with the help and support I have had from this forum. When I first joined a year back no would have thought or believed I would come this far. I hate people who brag/boast/are full of themselves etc because its all of that I am not. I have to word things very carefully when I'm on here because I do say things which may come across as rude/ignorant etc when I genuily don't mean or want them to do so. If you knew me as a person then maybe you would understand. I would like to apologise now for what I have said....and really Soundtracker isnt a miserable old so and so....probably just a hard working professional like the rest of you on here. I keep forgetting this is a hobby for me, but you guys put hours and hours of time and hard work to put food on your table. I think maybe I should respect that a little more, and take the sarky comments on the chin.

Again I aplogise for my behavour.....and also the spelling mistakes:)

[discomobiledj]

Out of interest Charlie, what would you have done if you equipment had been damaged by these lovely "children"?

[Charlie Brown]

Out of interest Charlie, what would you have done if you equipment had been damaged by these lovely "children"?

Honestly I would have cried...and been very upset. I quite simply don't know what I would have done. Find a replacement for all my gigs in the next few weeks, and work from there. I would have been very upset indeed:o :o

[discomobiledj]

Who would you have claimed from? Who was the agreement between? You and the hotel? A.N. Other and hotel?

[Charlie Brown]

Who would you have claimed from? Who was the agreement between? You and the hotel? A.N. Other and hotel?

I just don't know. The terms and conditions are changed for this type of event. They state that any damage caused to my equipment must be paid for in full by the "hirer"

[discomobiledj]

But who was the "hirer"???

[Charlie Brown]

In my terms and conditions there is a space it goes as follows;

In these Terms and Conditions the "Hirer" is __________________

In the space was the mum's name.

[discomobiledj]

Well surely she should have been there? (was she). How comes they didn't check your PLI if they checked your PAT?

[soundtracker]

How comes they didn't check your PLI if they checked your PAT?

A lot of places are like that, I think its called clueless. But that's hardly Charlie's fault is it?

[Excalibur]

Well surely she should have been there? (was she). How comes they didn't check your PLI if they checked your PAT?


A lot of places are like that, I think its called clueless. But that's hardly Charlie's fault is it?

Like I said, I reckon the Hotel made a foul up of the whole affair. ;)

[Charlie Brown]

Hmmm rather odd I must say.....the mother wasn't there no...she left soon after the start.

[Jonathan Ford]

Like I said, I reckon the Hotel made a foul up of the whole affair. ;)

Indeed. The foul up was accepting the booking in the frst place. When I was a hotel GM, none of my properties accepted any birthday parties below 25ths.

Charlie, I appreciate that this was a gig you did for friends, but you stated earlier in the thread that you'd anticipated that there may be trouble. In that case, why take the booking? BTW, for someone so young, I think your attitude to those offering advice, the way you appear to give the advice respectful consideration, is bang on the money. Kudos.

[Charlie Brown]

why take the booking?

I took the booking because they are good money...and I do enjoy looking after folk etc:)

[discomobiledj]

But quite clearly you can't "look after folk" because the last two disco's you've done have ended in riots, with either security chucking people out of the police being called!

[Charlie Brown]

But quite clearly you can't "look after folk" because the last two disco's you've done have ended in riots, with either security chucking people out of the police being called!

Sorry again I think you have missed my point. I don't go out to be the "Super Hero" I was referring to the girl being sick. Minor problems I can handle. No way could I control 200 drunk kids....never mind look after!

[discomobiledj]

I was referring to the girl being sick.

But that wasn't your job to look after her. Your job is to play music, not mop up someone else's vomit.

[Charlie Brown]

But that wasn't your job to look after her. Your job is to play music, not mop up someone else's vomit.

No well thats fine. I help. I don't stand at watch someone in a mess. They would do the same for me. Were one big family here....and even if I didn't know them from adam...I would still help whether I'm there to do that or not.:)

[Shaun]

Just got through reading this topic.

Charlie, you're a good kid with a bright future in this game if you take on board all the constructive critism.

The venue has to accept a large proportion of the blame, as does the hirer for not supplying adequate supervision. I can also understand why Charlie went outside, he's young, was with a group of friends and peers, but I think he realises that he was wrong to go outside and video it. He should have kept inside with his equipment.

Charlie, a few points for you to take on board:

1. Look into getting some PLI
2. Make sure you have a clause in your terms & conditions stating that there must be adult supervision for youth events.
3. take on board all the comments in this thread, even if you think some are harsh. I don't think there's anyone on the forum that doesn't like you, although some comments might seem a little harsh to you, they have valid points.

Anyways....onwards and upwards. Good luck for the future.

[Charlie Brown]

Just got through reading this topic.

Anyways....onwards and upwards. Good luck for the future.

Thank you very much:) Appreciate that:)

[RnGary]

Jackanory?

All I can add is that it does seem wierd how many 'stories' CB seems to have (including one I remember where you turned up with all the kit on a bus)....

However if these are all genuine I suggest you need to go under the wing of someone with experience of the business for a little while (many of the other post replies have already picked out the issues you need to learn from in how the evening 'turned out') - and the video really is not one to be proud of.

Negative response? - yes, but sorry, it's hard to find much positive on this one apart from lessons to be learned.

[Shakermaker Promotions]

Just make sure you didn't get 'hands on' with the young lady who was being sick otherwise I'm sure Nigel will read you the riot act matey! (That was a joke by the way!).

[andyw]

charlie contact the music union and see about joining them they offer pli with membership for students(but check that it covers you first)i'm sure dj@ do as well but again contact them to find out,my son started at your age he is 18 now and i still go with him and roadie for him,so please consider taking an adult with you to all your gigs, (makes setting up and down easier if nothing else)
i agree with some of the comments about the video,really is in bad taste and can be interpretted as you glorifying in what is happening even if that is not the case.i also think the police announcement was wrong but you can move on and learn from these mistakes.
the last thing i would say is ,if you are going to do more parties like this i would insist on them hiring door staff or not take the booking,leaving you to do what you do best and dj (you can't dj ,organise manage be door person and first aider and all round good guy at the same time)

good luck
andy

[DJMIKEYR]

Charlie Mate, I started at your age and had my dad come along with me. Actually Im now 32 and my Dad still comes with me sometimes.:D The fact is if a situation like this occurs at my gig I just keep my head down and dont move from my post.
If the Venue decide to end the performance I have a piece wrote in my Terms and Conditions stating that as an Entertainer the Venue can request me to end the performance earlier then scheduled if the audiance/guests are breaking the venues terms and conditions. If this is the case I am not liable to for the hotels decissons.
Also stated in my terms and conditions I state that it is my companies policy that at any party for minors (under 18) the must be either Door Staff or appropriate adults who will supervise the guests. When I take the booking for 18th etc I clearly state this. Many parents actually take my advice and book proper door staff as they are as little as £60 each for the night.
I recently done an 18th where I stated this and the parents hired 2 door staff along with both parents being present and at the end of the night they was grateful for my advice as many things like under age outside drinking etc happend and the door staff sorted it out quickly and without causing any inconvinence.

The Hotel is to blame as they should always suggest it as well to the booking person.:mad:

As for your PLI, take the advice from others. Try and get some before you do anymore gigs, as you never know when you may need it. I have a mate whos son is a DJ and what he did was set the company up for his son and then showed his son as an employer. As your 15 you can have a part time job.....and well as your Dad or Mum as the owner as long as they are present and you are an employer for them you will be covered.:D

Right advice now over and keep up the good work at your hobby/business as you obviously have a passion and DJing is all about passion to the music and the talent to entertain. Treasure it mate as it only gets better:)

[Charlie Brown]

All I can add is that it does seem wierd how many 'stories' CB seems to have (including one I remember where you turned up with all the kit on a bus)....

However if these are all genuine I suggest you need to go under the wing of someone with experience of the business for a little while (many of the other post replies have already picked out the issues you need to learn from in how the evening 'turned out') - and the video really is not one to be proud of.

Negative response? - yes, but sorry, it's hard to find much positive on this one apart from lessons to be learned.

No, No that's fair...and when you word my stories like that they do seem rather un-belivable. Trust me..another thing I hate is liers. I could have easily twisted the story I told, and missed out "The Bill are coming to Nottingham" or told you that I saved the day and sorted the problem out...:) What you see is what you get....
I never said I was proud of that video...one bit. If anything it is a dissgrace:)

[rob1963]

Charlie,

If the MDD forum gave a prize for the oldest head on the youngest shoulders, I think you'd win by a mile.

I'd like to say that if I listed the people here I have the most respect for, you'd be in the top 10 without a doubt.

Some of the comments have been a bit harsh in my opinion & didn't take into account your age or limited experience.

I know you have learned a lot from the situation itself & the comments in this thread...which will only serve to make you wiser & more mature than you already are.

Respect!

:)

[BeerFunk]

Another nice tale, makes for good reading :)

[Charlie Brown]

Charlie,
Respect!
:)

You know what Rob....that has just put the biggest :D on my face.

Thank you sir...and thank you very much to all who have helped and commented. I will certainly learn from mistakes...but it's got too much now, so can we say the thread is closed:)

If anybody has anything to say that hasn't been said then thats cool.
But I think I'm kind of getting the picture:

Get PLI
Don't take the "mic" or make a mockery of a serious situation
Don't video or antaganise a serious situation (will only fuel it and make it worse)
Don't be responsible for other people's problems...look after yourself and your kit THEN others (just like in a plane crash):)
Don't post any more threads on parties that have gone wrong.
Dont upload video's of people commiting a crime (it may give the impression that I'm proud and love this kind of violence, because thats the kind of person I am:( :confused: )
Most of all carry on with what I am doing....take on board all the critism and positive feedback and use it to develop my skills and business furthur untill one day, when I will rule the world:D :D
Thanks again People.....MDD ROCKS:)

[Shaun]

A lot of us oldies could learn a thing or two from you Charlie.


I will certainly learn from mistakes...but it's got too much now, so can we say the thread is closed:)




Done. :)