Over the top?

[Shakermaker Promotions]

Hi all,

Was chatting to another DJ yesterday afternoon. All the usual stuff about equipment, prices etc and then we got on to the subject of playing after the agreed time and all that stuff. Now, I think it has been covered on here before but I just wanted to bring this up.

I think if you use the pyschology thing and announce the last song BEFORE the last song then in theory, if they ask for another track you should finish on time. If they all shout "More" then you can play another and still finish when you should. Personally speaking, 5 or 10 minutes after the agreed time IF THE VENUE AGREE is no problem at all for me. When I mentioned this the other DJ nearly had a heart attack! Yes, I have my "after time" price in my Terms & Conditions and I explain it all clearly in my meetings with the customers. Everyone has different charges, mine is £50 per half hour and they need to let me know at least 30 mins prior to the finish (if agreed by the venue aswell) and pay me there and then too.

I couldn't believe it when this other DJ said that he charges £1.00 per minute as soon as the agreed duration is met. To me, that is just going over the top. I asked "What if you play until say 12.13am?" and he replied.."That's an extra £13.00 then!"...

Thoughts please.

[Excalibur]

Hi all,

Was chatting to another DJ yesterday afternoon. All the usual stuff about equipment, prices etc and then we got on to the subject of playing after the agreed time and all that stuff. Now, I think it has been covered on here before but I just wanted to bring this up.

I think if you use the pyschology thing and announce the last song BEFORE the last song then in theory, if they ask for another track you should finish on time. If they all shout "More" then you can play another and still finish when you should. Personally speaking, 5 or 10 minutes after the agreed time IF THE VENUE AGREE is no problem at all for me. When I mentioned this the other DJ nearly had a heart attack! Yes, I have my "after time" price in my Terms & Conditions and I explain it all clearly in my meetings with the customers. Everyone has different charges, mine is £50 per half hour and they need to let me know at least 30 mins prior to the finish (if agreed by the venue aswell) and pay me there and then too.

I couldn't believe it when this other DJ said that he charges £1.00 per minute as soon as the agreed duration is met. To me, that is just going over the top. I asked "What if you play until say 12.13am?" and he replied.."That's an extra £13.00 then!"...

Thoughts please.
No. It'll start a fight. :(

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Hi all,

Was chatting to another DJ yesterday afternoon. All the usual stuff about equipment, prices etc and then we got on to the subject of playing after the agreed time and all that stuff. Now, I think it has been covered on here before but I just wanted to bring this up.

I think if you use the pyschology thing and announce the last song BEFORE the last song then in theory, if they ask for another track you should finish on time. If they all shout "More" then you can play another and still finish when you should. Personally speaking, 5 or 10 minutes after the agreed time IF THE VENUE AGREE is no problem at all for me. When I mentioned this the other DJ nearly had a heart attack! Yes, I have my "after time" price in my Terms & Conditions and I explain it all clearly in my meetings with the customers. Everyone has different charges, mine is £50 per half hour and they need to let me know at least 30 mins prior to the finish (if agreed by the venue aswell) and pay me there and then too.

I couldn't believe it when this other DJ said that he charges £1.00 per minute as soon as the agreed duration is met. To me, that is just going over the top. I asked "What if you play until say 12.13am?" and he replied.."That's an extra £13.00 then!"...

Thoughts please.

Sounds fine to me. How much do you charge as an hourly rate before 12?

[Dynamic Entertainment]

Charging by the minute, in my mind is a bit ott. Maybe per quater hour but every minute. What happens when the dj and clients watches are a minute apart :D

[Shakermaker Promotions]

Darren, when you say "Sounds fine to me", are you saying that you actually agree with Mr £1.00 per minute? If so, that really surprises me. I think it's way over the top.

[DJ James Lake]

I charge £50 an hour after the contracted time. If I over run by up to 15 mins then no charge but after that its on a pro rata 1/2 hour rate.

[andyw]

i think i would find it hard to go upto a client and ask for an extra£5 because i was 5 minutes late in finishing,but if they come upto the dj and say can you do an extra half hour and he says that will be £30 then there is no problem

[Dynamic Entertainment]

All this talk of £30, £50 etc is getting me worried. I have previously charged £10 per half hour (on the assumption that im already they so what the heck). Guess i need to put my price up... :)

[Shakermaker Promotions]

But isn't it classed as overtime because it is outside the agreed duration?
As I said, a couple of tracks after IF AGREED with the venue then that's not a problem but anything after that then I'll refer to my T's & C's.

[Dynamic Entertainment]

But isn't it classed as overtime because it is outside the agreed duration?
As I said, a couple of tracks after IF AGREED with the venue then that's not a problem but anything after that then I'll refer to my T's & C's.

I agree, one or two more is fine. If they want more then its going into the overtime period, and will pay as such.

[DeckstarDeluxe]

pound an minute seems a reasonable rate. As long as the customer is told of this before the disco or even during i dont see a proplem with it. Personally i'd charge per half hour.

[Charlie Brown]

Over the top? Yes. Petty? Yes. Ridiculous? Yes.

Charging an over time rate is fine and very acceptable, and is something I do (£25 per half hour) but to charge on the minute is crazy, and I fear the client would simply laugh. At the end of a good night, if the client asked me to play a few more tunes I would, whether it is 4 minutes or 13 minutes over. For an extra 30 minutes or hour I can understand and think it is acceptable to charge overtime....but by the minute is just something else. I understand a lot of people are very business minded etc but.....:bang:

[Vectis]

Over the top? Yes. Petty? Yes. Ridiculous? Yes.

Charging an over time rate is fine and very acceptable, and is something I do (£25 per half hour) but to charge on the minute is crazy, and I fear the client would simply laugh. At the end of a good night, if the client asked me to play a few more tunes I would, whether it is 4 minutes or 13 minutes over. For an extra 30 minutes or hour I can understand and think it is acceptable to charge overtime....but by the minute is just something else. I understand a lot of people are very business minded etc but.....:bang:

Wise words oh young one.

I always leave a 5-minute buffer for "just one more" and more often than not it gets filled with a dead-on-time finish; house lights up on the last chorus.

If I occasionally run over by a couple of minutes, or get the host pleading one final song (with a nod from the establishment), I won't be holding my hand out for a couple of extra quid.

Pre-arranged extra playtime is different. Clients are advised in the booking pack and again at the start of the gig that if they want overtime they must let me know with plenty of notice so that I can structure the music accordingly (and take their cash of course :p ).

[DJ INDIE]

I don't mind playing 5-10 mins extra for free, I find that for those 5-10 mins (in which i'll be stripping down/tidying gear anyway) it leaves a good vibe with the client, and sends them home with a good opinion of you which may help for repeat bookings etc. Although its not your fault and youre quite within your rights to stop on the dot, that can have the opposite effect.
I draw the line at 15-20 mins extra though - don't think ive ever played that much longer - usually the bar staff ask for more too, which makes the extra hour etc very expensive.

[Tony Scott]

I don't mind playing 5-10 mins extra for free, I find that for those 5-10 mins (in which i'll be stripping down/tidying gear anyway) it leaves a good vibe with the client, and sends them home with a good opinion of you which may help for repeat bookings etc. Although its not your fault and youre quite within your rights to stop on the dot, that can have the opposite effect.
I draw the line at 15-20 mins extra though - don't think ive ever played that much longer - usually the bar staff ask for more too, which makes the extra hour etc very expensive.

Agree with that, NYE '08 being the only exception, I was enjoying myself so much with the free beer and great atmosphere I played 2hrs extra for nothing....needless to say thay booked me on the spot for NYE '09, can't wait! :beer1: :)

[rob1963]

Hi all,

Was chatting to another DJ yesterday afternoon. All the usual stuff about equipment, prices etc and then we got on to the subject of playing after the agreed time and all that stuff. Now, I think it has been covered on here before but I just wanted to bring this up.

I think if you use the pyschology thing and announce the last song BEFORE the last song then in theory, if they ask for another track you should finish on time. If they all shout "More" then you can play another and still finish when you should. Personally speaking, 5 or 10 minutes after the agreed time IF THE VENUE AGREE is no problem at all for me. When I mentioned this the other DJ nearly had a heart attack! Yes, I have my "after time" price in my Terms & Conditions and I explain it all clearly in my meetings with the customers. Everyone has different charges, mine is £50 per half hour and they need to let me know at least 30 mins prior to the finish (if agreed by the venue aswell) and pay me there and then too.

I couldn't believe it when this other DJ said that he charges £1.00 per minute as soon as the agreed duration is met. To me, that is just going over the top. I asked "What if you play until say 12.13am?" and he replied.."That's an extra £13.00 then!"...

Thoughts please.

I always finish within 30 seconds of the end time, which is usually midnight, as I think the idea of playing one or two more is firstly unprofessional and secondly unlikely to make the venue want to use you in the future.

I always end on a couple of slow songs, as this helps people wind down, lets them know that the night is almost over and makes them less likely to shout for one more afteer the last song has faded out.

I'm rarely able to go on after the agreed time, as most venues have a licence until a certain time & that's it. However, my overtime rate is £60 per hour, but is charged by the minute. The minimum extra time I've done is 20 minutes, which was an extra £20, but overtime normally seems to be requested in multiples of 30 minutes.

[Shakermaker Promotions]

Well, Rob I usually agree with you but on this occasion.....nope!
I think Charlie summed it up nicely.

[ppentertainments]

I agree with Rob here.

I am looking at this from both the DJ and the venues point of view - both want to get home. I did used to play 'one more' but then one became two became.................you get the idea.

I now try to finish on time or even a minute or so early then play a couple of goodnight songs quietly whilst packing down lights etc with the venue lights
on which does take it well past the finishing time.

The confusion about this thread is the fact Rob actually gets asked to play on :confused: :eek: :eek:

I must admit charging per minute seems tight. If playing on I always insist on a minimum of 30 minutes extra which is charged for.

[rob1963]

At the end of a good night, if the client asked me to play a few more tunes I would, whether it is 4 minutes or 13 minutes over. For an extra 30 minutes or hour I can understand and think it is acceptable to charge overtime

The point is that you have to decide where to draw the line.

If I was working in a marquee & they asked for a couple more at the end, I'd play them without giving it a second thought.

However, if they came up & asked if I could just do another 15 minutes, that would be £15 extra, payable in cash before the overtime period started.

In my book, there is a fair difference between playing one or two more at the end and five more.


Well, Rob I usually agree with you but on this occasion.....nope!

That's fine Gary.

There have to be SOME things we disagree on!


The confusion about this thread is the fact Rob actually gets asked to play on :confused: :eek: :eek:

Indeed, but what's MORE confusing is why they even book me in the first place!

[par6]

Over the top? Yes. Petty? Yes. Ridiculous? Yes.

Charging an over time rate is fine and very acceptable, and is something I do (£25 per half hour) but to charge on the minute is crazy, and I fear the client would simply laugh. At the end of a good night, if the client asked me to play a few more tunes I would, whether it is 4 minutes or 13 minutes over. For an extra 30 minutes or hour I can understand and think it is acceptable to charge overtime....but by the minute is just something else. I understand a lot of people are very business minded etc but.....:bang:
Is the correct answer :eek:
How mean spirited and without passion for the job do you have to be to charge per minute for playing overtime ? unbelievable :eek:
Perhaps the reason I did over 140 gigs last year and have been full time for over 20 years and have never, ever, spent a penny on advertising, is I give a little more than the jobsworth Dj's who work by the stopwatch :bang:
Sometimes in life and in business you have to give a little away for free........honest you do, it doesn't hurt, in fact it helps your reputation no end :D

" Could I have another £7 please as I've just played two more songs after midnight" :eek: :eek: :eek: :confused:
I'd never lower myself to be so pedantic and mean of spirit :beer1:

[ppentertainments]

Indeed, but what's MORE confusing is why they even book me in the first place!

:laughup: Its a good job you don't take things to heart Rob :D

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Darren, when you say "Sounds fine to me", are you saying that you actually agree with Mr £1.00 per minute? If so, that really surprises me. I think it's way over the top.

No, I was agreeing with his hourly rate, but if he wants to charge per minute, then that's up to him.



I always finish within 30 seconds of the end time, which is usually midnight, as I think the idea of playing one or two more is firstly unprofessional and secondly unlikely to make the venue want to use you in the future.

I always end on a couple of slow songs, as this helps people wind down, lets them know that the night is almost over and makes them less likely to shout for one more afteer the last song has faded out.



Agreed.

[Babybob]

I can't believe that you think playing one or two songs after your stated end time is unprofessional, what is unprofessional about it.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I can't believe that you think playing one or two songs after your stated end time is unprofessional, what is unprofessional about it.

Is starting 10 minutes late professional?

You are paid until a certain time, so stick to it. Why would anyone work for free? Also, people seem to forget about the venue staff who have to pack away and they might have been there all day and they might not want to wait another 10 minutes while the DJ plays another couple of tunes. If you do this more than once, you are not going to be welcome back to that venue.

[rob1963]

Apart from playing one or two more songs at the end for free, I don't understand what problem people have with charging overtime by the minute, as it seems to make complete sense to me.

My overtime rate is quoted as £60 per hour, partly because I think this is fair, and partly because it equates to £1 per minute, which is easy to work out & means they get exactly what they pay for.

Therefore, 20 minutes extra is £20 and 45 minutes would be £45, which seems like common sense to me.

For those of you who think it's wrong to charge overtime by the minute, if your rate was £30 per half hour & your client wanted an extra 45 minutes, how much would you charge them?

If you'd charge an extra £45, then you ARE charging by the minute, but if you'd charge either £30 or £60 then they could see it as not getting what they paid for (particularly if you charge £30 per half hour or part thereof, as I suspect many do).

[par6]

I wouldn't charge anything for up to an hour more, look upon it as goodwill, hey your already there.Some folks are just too black and white, give a little. :beer1:

[Shakermaker Promotions]

Darren, I said IF the venue agrees with it. I also said that I announce the last song actually BEFORE the last song.

Rob, I know where you are coming from but I just think that £1.00 per minute is very petty. If I was a customer and saw words to the effect of "Songs played after the agreed duration are liable to a £1.00 per minute charge", I would laugh my head off. I would also wait for the DJ to come up and ask me for his extra £2.00 if he dared because I would be thinking that he is taking the ****.

I say £50.00 per half hour as I think that's enough in theory to put someone off. If it doesn't and they want to pay then that's fair enough and it's worth my while. If they said 45 minutes like you mentioned Rob...well, it would then be £75.00. It sounds expensive but after a long night giving it my all as I always do, I want to get out and get home no matter how good a night it's been. I have it in my head pre-function about the duration and work by that.

I have also had 2 bookings that I can remember that have paid in advance for the extra duration just incase people are really enjoying themselves and the party is still going strong. One paid until 1am at my hotel residency and at 12.45am it was still in full flow so it was worthwhile. Another one paid until 12.30am at another venue and it started dying down just after 12.00am. I strung it out for as long as I could until about 12.15am.

Someone may ask "Did you refund them because you finished early?" - Answer - No, because it was an agreed duration and confirmed on the booking forms. I was still there and available to the job.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I wouldn't charge anything for up to an hour more, look upon it as goodwill

:bang: :bang: :bang:

Why charge at all? You might as well do the whole night for free. Your time is obviously not important to you.

[rob1963]

I wouldn't charge anything for up to an hour more, look upon it as goodwill, hey your already there. Some folks are just too black and white, give a little. :beer1:

An hour is NOT a little!

I dread to think how many free discos you would in effect be doing each year if you gave every client an extra hour without charging.

Dozens & dozens!

:shrug:

[par6]

:bang: :bang: :bang:

Why charge at all? You might as well do the whole night for free. Your time is obviously not important to you.
At that specific moment in time the needs/happiness of my client take precedence over MY need to be home an hour earlier.
Give a little, people will love you for it, and stop banging your head against a brick wall. ;)

[par6]

An hour is NOT a little!

I dread to think how many free discos you would in effect be doing each year if you gave every client an extra hour without charging.

Dozens & dozens!

:shrug:
Believe it or not I don't strip down and re erect, i just carry on with the flow. Sounds to me that some people on here have had enough of Djing and can't wait to get home each night, time for a career change maybe :eek:

[rob1963]

Rob, I know where you are coming from but I just think that £1.00 per minute is very petty. If I was a customer and saw words to the effect of "Songs played after the agreed duration are liable to a £1.00 per minute charge", I would laugh my head off. I would also wait for the DJ to come up and ask me for his extra £2.00 if he dared because I would be thinking that he is taking the ****.

Gary, I think you may be missing my point.

None of my customers would see or hear anything about being charged £1.00 per minute overtime, so they have NOTHING to laugh their head off at.

My terms & conditions simply state "Overtime will be charged at the rate of £60 per hour, to be paid in cash before the overtime period commences."

That's it.

However, in REALITY, I'll charge them £20 extra for 20 minutes, £30 for 30 minutes, £45 for 45 minutes etc...so that they get exactly what they pay for.

Simple & fair.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Believe it or not I don't strip down and re erect, i just carry on with the flow. Sounds to me that some people on here have had enough of Djing and can't wait to get home each night, time for a career change maybe :eek:

Correct, I can't wait to get home each night, does that make me any less professional?

I suggest you stop the digs now, otherwise I will be suggesting a forum change for you.

[Jay]

The first few gigs I did it always ended the same, "one more one more" so I learner to say we will be finishing at about 5 mins before the end and then when they asked for one more we would finish on time. If I was asked to play on for another half hour I would charge £30 per half hour and whenever I've been asked this, they have always declined. I am certainly not working for free.

[par6]

Correct, I can't wait to get home each night, does that make me any less professional?

I suggest you stop the digs now, otherwise I will be suggesting a forum change for you.

I apologise if I hit a nerve :beer1: :beer1: :beer1:

[Shakermaker Promotions]

Par6. If you don't mind me asking, how old are you?
I think you need to get a sense of reality here and realise that on this forum there are a number of people who have been doing this job for a number of years. I have been DJing 20 years and as a business I am now in my 4th year. There are people on here who have been DJing longer than that and have been in business a lot longer too. All of us run our business' the best we can and in our own ways but we are all still going strong.

Surprisingly, even though the current economic climate isn't great, I still seem to be getting lots of work coming in and the same can be said for a lot of people on here too. Everyone on here is customer focused but also business sensed too. An hour for free is outrageous in a business sense. I could understand it if it was a good friend or family member etc as that's a different scenario but also saying that, some of them will appreciate that's it your job/living too.

What would you say if you went into work at an office or something and your boss said you had to do an hours overtime for free? I bet you wouldn't like it would you? No time off for doing it or anything...just work and not get paid. I wouldn't do it and I am sure others wouldn't.

Par6 - You aren't the only one that has come across as a 'know all' on DJ Forums and I am sure you won't be the last either.

[par6]

Find the question of my age irrelevant but whilst you've asked, 44. DJing since '86, seen it all, know it all, as you so rightly point out :p :D :beer1:

[Shakermaker Promotions]

Well, all I can do is bow down to your superior knowledge then.
:clap2: :clap2: :clap2:

[par6]

I knew you'd see sense :)

[Shakermaker Promotions]

Not at all. You don't really want to read what I think of your replies 'mate'.
I just chatted to the missus about this. She runs her own bridalwear business and is doing very very well. She said "That's stupid. That's like someone asking me to do sew on an extra 100 beads to a dress for nothing!"...Very True.

Let's use the old mechanic thing again. You take your car in and when everything that has been done as required and paid for. You ask the guy to clean and wax it for free. He soon tell you where to go!

Par6 - I think you are on a mission as a wind up...

[rob1963]

Par6 - I think you are on a mission as a wind up...

Agreed...or maybe just to seek attention.

[yourdj]

I generally do the finally 10 mins before and then do a couple of extras. somwtimes go over if:

- the venue is ok (stick to licensing times)
- the client is ok,
- i do not get hassled to play more. that is a definite NO.

- I did 15 mins extra on sat as i started one hour later as the meal went on.

extra time would be £30 per half hour otherwise. cash before. depends on event

[yourdj]

Believe it or not I don't strip down and re erect, i just carry on with the flow. Sounds to me that some people on here have had enough of Djing and can't wait to get home each night, time for a career change maybe :eek:

I have been in the game for one year this week and am doing very well because i do not do things for free. instead i provide a great service for the money and occasionally go over time depending on the situation. Sometimes i cant wait to get home and sit quietly for an hour or so (or six and then realize its getting light), but i still love the gig :D


An hour for free is outrageous in a business sense.

I agree - You would not go to a driving lesson and expect an hour for free unless you knew the bloke well :)

Same with djing. four five hours work is a long time to perform week in week out. sometimes i do 12 hours so by the end i do not particually want to do another hour for free.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I apologise if I hit a nerve :beer1: :beer1: :beer1:

You didn't hit a nerve. I don't like being accused of stealing and I don't like people who make snidey comments all the time to stir up trouble.

If you had hit a nerve, you would no longer be here. :)

[PropellerHeadCase]

I couldn't believe it when this other DJ said that he charges £1.00 per minute as soon as the agreed duration is met. To me, that is just going over the top. I asked "What if you play until say 12.13am?" and he replied.."That's an extra £13.00 then!"...

I don't disagree with charging for the time, or the effective amount charged £60/hr, but the method of charging would be off-putting to a lot of people I would think. '£15/¼hr or part thereof' has the same effect and comes across, to my mind, as far more professional - it also neatly skirts the 'unsynchronizeed watches' scenario mentioned.

[Ajaysdisco]

My personal opinion is; 5 minutes is fine, 15 minutes or more that’s a different matter.

[djtx]

Darren, when you say "Sounds fine to me", are you saying that you actually agree with Mr £1.00 per minute? If so, that really surprises me. I think it's way over the top.

i totaly agree a little come and go goes a long way it may lead to more gigs...:pants: thats whats springs to mind

[par6]

Let's use the old mechanic thing again. You take your car in and when everything that has been done as required and paid for. You ask the guy to clean and wax it for free. He soon tell you where to go!



Actually the garage I take my car to DOES valet it for "free" as a complimentary gesture, but then again what do Mercedes know about customer service hey?
Also, if you should go to some upmarket private golf clubs they will clean your car and polish your shoes in the locker room for free, I wonder why they would do that ?

[Danno13]

Because they've just included it in the overall cost anyway and don't just pluck figures out of the air like DJs seem to. Now I know where I've been going wrong, I'll just add £100 to all my quotes to cover the possibility that a couple of events every year might need an extra hour or two, I'm sure the other 100 odd clients won't mind subsidising that.

[Shakermaker Promotions]

Par6, the old 'willy waving' thing doesn't generally go down that well on here.
I am surprised you are actually in business with an attitude like yours....that's IF you have a business of course or are you an ex DJ with attitude that STILL thinks he knows it all?

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Actually the garage I take my car to DOES valet it for "free" as a complimentary gesture, but then again what do Mercedes know about customer service hey?





Because they've just included it in the overall cost anyway and don't just pluck figures out of the air like DJs seem to.

Exactly.

[par6]

Par6, the old 'willy waving' thing doesn't generally go down that well on here.
I am surprised you are actually in business with an attitude like yours....that's IF you have a business of course or are you an ex DJ with attitude that STILL thinks he knows it all?

Exactly what "attitude" do you percieve that to be ?
The attitude that I believe in giving the customer just a little bit more than they've come to expect from other DJ's ? yeah, thats me.

[Shakermaker Promotions]

Darren...I think the internet term for someone on the wind up in a forum is TROLL...and it looks like you have one at the moment mate.

Par6 - Attitude meaning your attitude on here and towards the rest of us. It stinks...simple as that.

[par6]

Exactly.
Now you're learning the meaning of the word "free" in the context of giving your time for "free", it wasn't really "free" all along was it ;)

[par6]

Darren...I think the internet term for someone on the wind up in a forum is TROLL...and it looks like you have one at the moment mate.

Par6 - Attitude meaning your attitude on here and towards the rest of us. It stinks...simple as that.

Is this the first time anyones taken a contrary stance to yourself or Darren ? I've only stated what I believe is "best practice" for me and my business, don't take it so personally. :beer1:

[Grahame Case]

http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/images/troll.jpg
sorry, couldn't resist

[Shakermaker Promotions]

I'm not a mod or owner of the site. All I know is that most of the time, people are civil to eachother on here, don't give it the big 'I am' all the time and it's usually a decent place to be to learn and help others. Right now it isn't and you've got something to do with that but don't get too much of an ego as there are also a few apprentices of yours just waiting to take your seat and they do a good job just like you are currently doing.

[Babybob]

Who are the apprentices then Gary.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Is this the first time anyones taken a contrary stance to yourself or Darren ? I've only stated what I believe is "best practice" for me and my business, don't take it so personally. :beer1:

Plenty of people have and will continue to disagree with me and that is their right.

However, when you cheapen our industry, post to wind people up and disagree with just about everyone, then something is not right.

[Shakermaker Promotions]

Don't stir it up mate. I'm not mentioning names.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Who are the apprentices then Gary.

Please stop with these silly comments. This is not the first time you have made these comments with the intention of starting trouble on here.

[Babybob]

WHAT!!!!!
I never made the accusation....and give me some instances of when i've tried to stir up trouble.
Gary, don't make statements if your not prepared to back them up with facts.

[par6]

Plenty of people have and will continue to disagree with me and that is their right.

However, when you cheapen our industry, post to wind people up and disagree with just about everyone, then something is not right.
I would say cheapening the industry is exactly what doing the bare minimum you can get away with typifies, a lot of folk on here seem pleased with the fact that they got away doing the bare minimum, when i'm driving away from a gig I feel I've given it my all even if that means playing a bit longer for "free".

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

WHAT!!!!!
I never made the accusation....and give me some instances of when i've tried to stir up trouble.


You have made several snidey comments that had no relevance to the threads you posted them in, which I deleted.

I am not arguing about this. I know, because I deleted the comments.

Now leave it there please.

[Shakermaker Promotions]

Babybob - Firstly, please don't tell me how to act on a forum and secondly, as I said before, don't try to stir it all up. It sounds like you (a) Are paranoid, or (b) Have a guilty conscience.

I have no problem saying what I believe. I just choose not to right now.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I would say cheapening the industry is exactly what doing the bare minimum you can get away with typifies, a lot of folk on here seem pleased with the fact that they got away doing the bare minimum, when i'm driving away from a gig I feel I've given it my all even if that means playing a bit longer for "free".

So giving your all involves giving a client free time does it?

Dear oh dear.

[Danno13]

I would say cheapening the industry is exactly what doing the bare minimum you can get away with typifies, a lot of folk on here seem pleased with the fact that they got away doing the bare minimum, when i'm driving away from a gig I feel I've given it my all even if that means playing a bit longer for "free".

And how exactly have you got that from the fact that people are prepared to charge extra for their time, as any other serious business would? :confused:

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

All you seem to do is moan at people!! :eek:

That is because some members can't behave themselves properly, you included.

[Babybob]

You didn't like being labelled a thief earlier on did you...well I don't like being labelled as snidey.
Anything I post is either my feeling on the matter or a joke, ok us Welsh may have a different sense of humour to the rest of GB so it may come across as such to some but I am a married father of two with some serious health problems so I don't go around abusing people or being sharp to them.
Ok rant over.....:)

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

You didn't like being labelled a thief earlier on did you...well I don't like being labelled as snidey.


I read and moderate this forum every day and have found a few of your posts snidey and I am not the only one to notice this either. Other mods have mentioned it. If it is your humour then fair enough, but it certainly doesn't come across like that.

Lastly, this has nothing to do with what I was labelled as, so please don't bring me into this.

I do not wish to discuss this further.

[par6]

So giving your all involves giving a client free time does it?

Dear oh dear.
If the occasion and the situation warrant it, then yes, dear.

[geoffrey]

Just a quick note, I have had a situation last year when the venue management wanted me to carry on after 12.00 on a Sunday evening for another half an hour for free. I politely refused (After the extra 10 minutes I had already done)………I lost work to others because of it! Give me a second chance and they would get the same answer again.

On another occasion I had £100 given to me to carry on for an extra hour, So I did and then again and again and again on the same evening (Morning), Got home for 630.am and I swear I played frank Sinatra no less than 10 times per hour for the paying client!

I personally think that playing after 12.00 deserves a much better rate (Than your standard rate)because you are working into what can be the early hours of the morning. Any other company would gladly pay their employees double time for a night shift if not more.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

If the occasion and the situation warrant it, then yes, dear.

You are rather scraping the barrel now with your posts and sarcasm.

[Tom]

I personally think that playing after 12.00 deserves a much better rate (Than your standard rate)because you are working into what can be the early hours of the morning. Any other company would gladly pay their employees double time for a night shift if not more.

I agree.

I know this is different but I think it could be used in our work too.

In my day job we are payed standard rate monday to friday 8am till 4pm.

On saturday its time and a half from 8am till 12pm. Then after this is double time till we finish work.

On sunday its double time all day. Which was good as I did a 24 hour shift at double time. Money money money. lol.


I was thinking of doing something like this.

Weekday discos I would have a rate of lets say.... £30 per hour after mid night. Now this is going to be rare as most people will have work the next day, but you never know. On weekends ths would then rise to £60 per hour as this is double time.

[par6]

You are rather scraping the barrel now with your posts and sarcasm.
T'was you who called me dear, if you wanted to express exasperation then may I suggest this :eek:

[par6]

Just a quick note, I have had a situation last year when the venue management wanted me to carry on after 12.00 on a Sunday evening for another half an hour for free. I politely refused (After the extra 10 minutes I had already done)………I lost work to others because of it! Give me a second chance and they would get the same answer again.


i think thats called "cutting off your nose to spite your face" :confused:

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

T'was you who called me dear, if you wanted to express exasperation then may I suggest this :eek:

I didn't call you dear at all, I said dear oh dear.

[ppentertainments]

i think thats called "cutting off your nose to spite your face" :confused:

Or running a successful business that does not need to do freebies to gain bookings. ;)

[par6]

………I lost work to others because of it!
Guaranteed I would not have lost the work to others, so tell me again PPEntertainments who has the better business brain?

[Jiggles]

Not you!

[ppentertainments]

I lost work to others because of it! Give me a second chance and they would get the same answer again.


I loose work every week to 'sixty quid sid', so should I reduce my prices, I lost a wedding today due to a friend of the bride doing it for free. So to follow your business logic, should I reduce my prices to £60 and then do it for free if they haggle ???

As mentioned before, other trades would tell you where to go if you ask for a freebie - why should we be different ???

I take it you do not need to run a profitable business ??

[Shakermaker Promotions]

Par6 - Why don't you simply leave it out and stop trying to goad people into arguing their point with you just for your own pleasure?

No website link etc...I doubt very much if you are what you claim you are.

[geoffrey]

i think thats called "cutting off your nose to spite your face"

Not really as I had started the gig at 4.00pm (Christening) and by 12.00 I was absolutely finished (tired) and had at least another hour to pack up. They didn’t want to pay me extra so that was that. There is nothing unjust or unfair by packing up 10 minutes after my due finish time is there?

[Daryll]

In reference to a previous post about the sin bin.



It will. The next one is a premanent ban :sj:http://planetsmilies.net/vicious-smiley-1763.gif (http://planetsmilies.net):sj:

The best way to get in there is to have a row with Angela, Darren, Shaun, or me (failing that one of the mods)

Or to just be a complete knob

Or break forum rules

Or any combination of the above. :sj:


Daryll

[Danno13]

A meatloaf song springs to mind..

(Maybe not.. :D)

[Penfold42]

In reference to a previous post about the sin bin.

:lol:......:sj:

[Grahame Case]

geoffrey, you did what i would have done, packed up and :Censored: off

[par6]

Par6 - Why don't you simply leave it out and stop trying to goad people into arguing their point with you just for your own pleasure?

No website link etc...I doubt very much if you are what you claim you are.
It's a forum, we are discussing various business ethics, there is no goading, just my view, your view, their view, don't take it personally, jeez people are so touchy on here.
I, me, myself, I would not charge for playing over for up to an hour, but thats just me, I enjoy it, been full time for 23 years, currently 4 nights a week, never advertised, no need, no website, no need, 3 residencies and parties on saturdays, the way i do things works just fine, for now, for me, :) :beer1:

[Shakermaker Promotions]

Geoffrey, totally fair mate.

Some people on here seem to think that they are gods gift.

To say it again as those same people are so obviously deaf or can't read...

A booking is a booking isn't it? Doesn't it state the agreed duration and also in the Terms and Conditions that playing after the agreed duration incurs extra charges? Most customers will adhere to this and appreciate it on the night IF agreed by the venue, one or two tracks after the agreed duration. Most DJ's will play one or two to keep the customer happy and go off with a nice happy vibe. Most customers will not expect freebies as they are dealing with professional businesses and therefore realise that another 30 minutes - 1 hour is going to cost them. They will know from the booking forms that you have gone over time out of goodwill and should be happy enough.

The 80's party I did 2 weeks ago was supposed to finish at 11.45pm. I announced the last track at 11.40pm and when finishing time did arrive I had the whole place shouting "More!". That was a compliment and as it was a great night and I had been fed and watered too and the fact that they were lovely people to deal with, once the caretaker gave me the nod, I played on until Midnight.

At midnight they were still shouting "More!" and I had to say no. It was hard because they were really nice people but they totally understood the situation I was in. Did they get grumpy? NO!!! They gave me a tip aswell as a couple of bottles of wine and some beers to take home but that wasn't the best bit. The best bit was receiving an email the next day which was probably one of the most complimentary emails I have ever had.

[Grahame Case]

It's a forum, we are discussing various business ethics, there is no goading, just my view, your view, their view, don't take it personally, jeez people are so touchy on here.
I, me, myself, I would not charge for playing over for up to an hour, but thats just me, I enjoy it, been full time for 23 years, currently 4 nights a week, never advertised, no need, no website, no need, 3 residencies and parties on saturdays, the way i do things works just fine, for now, for me, :) :beer1:

Is your second name Doubledecks?

[par6]

Is your second name Doubledecks?
Is that an insult or an attempt at humour :confused: or a genuine question?

[ppentertainments]

It's a forum, we are discussing various business ethics, there is no goading, just my view, your view, their view, don't take it personally, jeez people are so touchy on here.
I, me, myself, I would not charge for playing over for up to an hour, but thats just me, I enjoy it, been full time for 23 years, currently 4 nights a week, never advertised, no need, no website, no need, 3 residencies and parties on saturdays, the way i do things works just fine, for now, for me, :) :beer1:

So you must be a brilliant dj, have great business sense and most people on this forum have been doing things totally wrong for years. How stupid we are !!!

[Grahame Case]

Is that an insult or an attempt at humour :confused: or a genuine question?

all three rolled in to one...

[par6]

So you must be a brilliant dj, have great business sense and most people on this forum have been doing things totally wrong for years. How stupid we are !!!
No, not wrong, just differently. If it works for them fine, it just wouldn't work for me, i couldn't charge for playing 3 extra songs, just not my nature.

[ppentertainments]

Guaranteed I would not have lost the work to others, so tell me again PPEntertainments who has the better business brain?


No, not wrong, just differently. If it works for them fine, it just wouldn't work for me, i couldn't charge for playing 3 extra songs, just not my nature.


Bit of a contradiction ???

[par6]

Bit of a contradiction ???
Tell me how?

[PropellerHeadCase]

No, not wrong, just differently. If it works for them fine, it just wouldn't work for me, i couldn't charge for playing 3 extra songs, just not my nature.

I think pretty much everyone here has said that they probably wouldn't charge for playing ten minutes over, which is about three songs. Unless one of the songs is the live version of 'Dazed and Confused' I doubt that three songs would represent an hour's playing. To try and make out that most posters are a bit mercenary or mean for charging for extra time and then trying to come on all magnanimous by not charging for three extra songs isn't really apples with apples, is it? Could you pick a stance and stick with it?

[Dynamic Entertainment]

I think pretty much everyone here has said that they probably wouldn't charge for playing ten minutes over, which is about three songs. Unless one of the songs is the live version of 'Dazed and Confused' I doubt that three songs would represent an hour's playing. To try and make out that most posters are a bit mercenary or mean for charging for extra time and then trying to come on all magnanimous by not charging for three extra songs isn't really apples with apples, is it? Could you pick a stance and stick with it?

Amen :D

[par6]

I think pretty much everyone here has said that they probably wouldn't charge for playing ten minutes over, which is about three songs. Unless one of the songs is the live version of 'Dazed and Confused' I doubt that three songs would represent an hour's playing. To try and make out that most posters are a bit mercenary or mean for charging for extra time and then trying to come on all magnanimous by not charging for three extra songs isn't really apples with apples, is it? Could you pick a stance and stick with it?
My stance throughout has been that i wouldn't charge for extra time, period, and the majority have said they would.

[PropellerHeadCase]

It must be nice being independently wealthy.

[Johnny P]

When I quote for a job I allow a little for playing on a bit - sometimes its not needed - sometimes it is but overall I'm happy with what I get for the time I play

[rob1963]

i couldn't charge for playing 3 extra songs, just not my nature.

You keep changing what you're saying.

One minute you'd play 3 more songs without charging, then you'd do another hour without charging, which must be at LEAST 17 more songs.

Which is it?

:confused:

[par6]

Haven't changed at all, I wouldn't and have never charged for one song, two songs, three songs in fact for up to an hour, it's free, on me, gratis, for nowt, would never lower myself to ask for £12.50 for playing 12mins 30 secs over :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang:
Thats my stance, you've got yours, put the bone down and mooooove on sheeez :beer1: :beer1:

[Corabar Steve]

Welsh may have a different sense of humour to the rest of GB
No, that would appear to be just you.