Parking tickets

[James]

Got a parking ticket last night on double yellows unloading from a gig so i want to challenge it.

The last time i had a ticket was about 8 years ago and it was £20 now it's £70 or £35 if paid with 14 days

Anyway, to cut a long story short, my case is how else am i supposed to unload the van and get all the equipment down a flight of stairs through 2 double doors and then into the venue?

Has anyone else had a similar experience of getting a ticket while unloading?

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I hate to say this, but i don't reckon you've got a chance. I always research these things beforehand and if parking is a issue, then speak to the council or venue and get a permit or permission etc.

[wensleydale]

For £35 is it worth the hassle?
I know that it might be a "moral" issue, but think how long you might have to spend on it.

Unless you genuinely believe you were in the clear.

For £35 I might be tempted to class it as a cost of doing business....

[rob1963]

For £35 is it worth the hassle?
I know that it might be a "moral" issue, but think how long you might have to spend on it.

Unless you genuinely believe you were in the clear.

For £35 I might be tempted to class it as a cost of doing business....


Agreed.

I don't think it's worth wasting your time for the sake of £35, which you probably won't get back anyway.

[discomobiledj]

If you was on double yellows then you don't stand a chance of getting off.

[James]

i know what your saying folks, but the only other alternative was to park a long way away from the venue, then unload and carry it from there

by the time i'd got back half of my kit could of been stolen

i'm still going to appeal and hope that the council can see sense, i doubt it, but still a man can dream.

[PropellerHeadCase]

One of those delightful situations where H&S is someone else's concern... not the venue's fault that you can't park by the doors, and the powers that be could care less about the hernias you'll fet from moving the gear :(

[DeckstarDeluxe]

James maybe in future its worth discussing with the client about parking near the venue in future? I dont blame you for appealing but i dont hold much hope for you.

[Marc J]

If your only argument is that it would have been an inconvenience to you had you obeyed the law and parked further away, then you don't stand a chance! I'm surprised you think you would!

Save your time and just pay up.

[Dynamic Entertainment]

As a former Traffic Technician with Cumbria Highways who sorted out the Decrimanailzed Parking Enforcement in all of West Cumbrias Towns, you havent got a chance.

You are in the right as far as Double Yellow lines do not prohibit loading/unloading (as long as you are 100% sure that there isnt the loading/unloading kerb markers). But, if you were closing/opening your vehicles doors then proving you are loading/unloading is a lot harder, also you must have not been in and out to your vehicle withing a few minutes (?) as parking wardens can take between 2-5 minutes to issue tickets (depending on their system) and if your in and out in that time it shows them that your loading. What we reckoment in cases like yourself is that you load directly through the venues door, so you ar in and out frequently.

I honestly think that you wont get much joy as its your word againts theirs that you were loading/unloading. A pain in the :Censored: i know....

[Digitalsounds]

Honestly......

Pay it i have been having arguments with birmingham council since last august over a similar situation and its now cost me £95 so £35 is light be done and forget about it.......

[nigelwright7557]

If you was on double yellows then you don't stand a chance of getting off.

Were there no loading lines on the pavement ?

[501damian501]

If you was on double yellows then you don't stand a chance of getting off.

yes you do if the yellow line is broken in any place, even if wear and tear has cause it to fade, plus if its not capped at the end, bet you didnt know that ;)

To be legal and therefore enforceable, is it necessary for double yellow lines to terminate with a yellow line across them and must there be a sign on the footway/verge nearby indicating the operiod for which the restriction is enforceable?

There is no need for a double yellow line to be accompanied by a sign - it means "at any time" and the sign has not been required since 2003. Both single lines and broken yellow lines require signage.


Yellow lines should be terminated with T-bars but this is not required if the termination is at either a parking bay or a crossing as these are deemed to "sit on top" of the line. You should take a photograph if you plan to use this as a defence.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4GFRD_enGB268&q=broken+double+yellow+lines&meta=

[andyw]

it will cost you a lot more to fight it,especially if you include your time.in principle you might be right but if you were a betting man would you bet £35 to win £35 on it,i know i wouldn't. it is your decision at the end of the day and good luck to you

[James]

i've appealed by e-mail, gave them a sob story, recession blah blah small business etc. i'm hoping i can pull on their heart strings basically, if i catch them on a good day and they're in a good mood, you never know? i doubt it, but it's gotta be worth a try at least?

If it comes back as a no, then i'll just pay it and treat it as a lesson learnt

Or, maybe i should of done a 'gaffer' and threw the parking ticket in the back of the van

heh heh does anyone remember the gaffer? i never see it on any of the cable channels

[Dynamic Entertainment]

yes you do if the yellow line is broken in any place, even if wear and tear has cause it to fade, plus if its not capped at the end, bet you didnt know that ;)

To be legal and therefore enforceable, is it necessary for double yellow lines to terminate with a yellow line across them and must there be a sign on the footway/verge nearby indicating the operiod for which the restriction is enforceable?

There is no need for a double yellow line to be accompanied by a sign - it means "at any time" and the sign has not been required since 2003. Both single lines and broken yellow lines require signage.


Yellow lines should be terminated with T-bars but this is not required if the termination is at either a parking bay or a crossing as these are deemed to "sit on top" of the line. You should take a photograph if you plan to use this as a defence.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4GFRD_enGB268&q=broken+double+yellow+lines&meta=


You swallow The Traffic Signs (Ammended) Regulations And General Directions 2005 book by any chance Damien?

You are correct, however most (if not all councils) will now have the correct terminations, especially since the BBC TV programme in 2005 (ish) which pointed all of that out.

Also, you are highly unlikely to get anything back on the basis of a worn or broken line as all the council has to do is show that they make regular 12 monthly inspections. Had the line shown up as broken/faded/worn in the last inspection, and was not remade to the required standard then you have half an arguable case (thats the same with potholes aswell, just so you know (i could run over a pothole and screw an alloy and not get a penny as the Local Authority were reasonable in their 12 monthly inspections, if you then run over the same pothole in the time between me reporting (and trying to claim) and it being repaired, then you get the payout. :) ))


i've appealed by e-mail, gave them a sob story, recession blah blah small business etc. i'm hoping i can pull on their heart strings basically, if i catch them on a good day and they're in a good mood, you never know? i doubt it, but it's gotta be worth a try at least?

If it comes back as a no, then i'll just pay it and treat it as a lesson learnt

Or, maybe i should of done a 'gaffer' and threw the parking ticket in the back of the van

heh heh does anyone remember the gaffer? i never see it on any of the cable channels

Try having a sheet of paper in the window saying "Loading in *Insert Venue*" and where possbile have the door to your vehicle open, even if that means just chucking stuff through the venues door at first so its shifting things in quicker (but more importantly has you in and out more often). It will be interesting to see what comes of it. That said, does your 14 days lower fine leniency get placed on hold whilst you appeal?

[andyw]

i've appealed by e-mail, gave them a sob story, recession blah blah small business etc. i'm hoping i can pull on their heart strings basically, if i catch them on a good day and they're in a good mood, you never know? i doubt it, but it's gotta be worth a try at least?



you are assuming they have a heart,or maybe in a good mood.wow what have you been drinking.if they are in a good mood they will reply before your 14 day period expires,giving you time to pay up if they say no chance,if they don't your bill doubles, will watch with interest.
good luck let us know the outcome