MDD Vaping Club (formerly "Smoking ban??? What smoking Ban?")

[Corabar Steve]

I have to spread the word about this.
Since last Tuesday, I've been the proud owner of a couple of intellicig EVOlution eCigarettes.


For those of you that don't know what these are......

An eCigarette is a device also known as a Personal Vapouriser (PV), e-cig, or electronic cigarette.

Here's the "science" bit http://planetsmilies.net/vicious-smiley-1830.gif (http://planetsmilies.net) :

The device heats a liquid which can contain nicotine and flavourings. When heated, the liquid produces a vapour which is smoke-like in appearance, but which is actually only a water-based vapour.


The benefits are:
- No smoke, only vapour
- No passive smoking
- No tar
- No carbon monoxide
- Smell
- No carcinogens
- Legal to use in non-smoking areas (subject to manager’s permission)

They consist of 3 main components, a battery, a heater element (atomizer) & a cartridge

The battery powers the atomizer which in turn heats the liquid in the cartridge & causes the vapour when you take a drag

There are plenty of different makes & models & also a couple of forums for help & advice (anyone interested, feel free to PM me for details)

Since Thursday I've used it in several pubs & bars in the London area, without having to go outside (including my pub residency).
The reason for this is (the Law bithttp://planetsmilies.net/person-smiley-1128.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)):

The Law introduced in the United Kingdom in the Health Act 2006, banned the use of tobacco based cigarettes in public places.

The Act was introduced in response to where tobacco based cigarettes kills over 100,000 people each year in the UK, as lit tobacco produces tar, carcinogens, carbon monoxide and up to 400 other toxic substances.
In Chapter 28 that incorporates the Smoking ban, the definition of smoking is stated as : smoking refers to smoking tobacco or anything which contains tobacco, or smoking any other substance, and smoking includes being in possession of lit tobacco or of anything lit which contains tobacco, or being in possession of any other lit substance in a form in which it could be smoked.


Well they don't contain tobacco, just a mixture of nicotine, propylene glycol /vegetable glycerine, distilled water & flavourings (or combinations of the above). Nothing is lit, just heated & vapourised. There is no smoke, just vapour.

With the exception of nicotine & flavours it basically has the same constituent ingredients as the smoke fluid that we use in smoke machines & hazers for our discos (like having a mini smoke machine in my mouth).

I'm hooked & haven't even thought about finishing off the half pack of JPS that's been sat on the coffee table since the arrival of my EVO. I've also found that I don't "smoke" half as much. When I had a cigarette, I always finished it off, whereas now I have a few puffs, put it down & return later for another few. It's also cheaper (after the inital outlay, you actually save money compared to £5 a day for 20 fags)












Oh yeah, Chocolate & Hazelnut flavour Rocks!.. :steve:


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For anyone wondering being as these are eCigarettes, an analog is slang for a regular tobacco cigarette.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I saw these advertised a while ago on TV somewhere. I'm not sure you can list things as 'benefits' though.

[Corabar Steve]

What else would you say the list was then?(over tobacco cigarettes obviously as opposed to say.... a polo)

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

What else would you say the list was then?(over tobacco cigarettes obviously as opposed to say.... a polo)

I suppose there are benefits over normal fags, yes. I wasn't thinking along those lines though.

[Corabar Steve]

Ah, non smoker's POV :sj:

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Ah, non smoker's POV :sj:

Indeed. :)

I was thinking along the lines of giving up would benefit you in terms of health and money. ;)

[Jiggles]

This is the first step :D

[Corabar Steve]

True Darren, but then you still have to beat the addiction to nicotine & in a lot of instances where patches, gum etc fail the actual physical habit of picking up a tube & puffing on it.

By the end of next week I will be making a considerable saving on my old £4.20 - £8.40 a day habit.

I'm also breathing easier already, not coughing in the morning & my sense of taste & smell have both improved. I've no cravings, because I'm still getting a nicotine hit & I don't have a nasty taste in my mouth in the morning.

The downside is I had to fork out on a king-size bottle of Febreze coz my van stinks!

Angela has even made up some zero nic menthol carts, that she's alternating with her other flavours that contain nicotine.

Angela had an analog the other night (when she couldn't sleep) because she couldn't be bothered to put her Evo back together. It tasted vile & made her feel ill.

It's a result all round as far as I'm concerned, especially as it's possible to dilute the nicotine juice with PG/VG & distilled water & if desired ween yourself off nicotine all together, just leaving the puffing habit.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Hmmm, as true as that all may be, you are the man who gives up smoking on a regular basis for months at a time, are you not?

[Corabar Steve]

Yes, but the difference being, this time there are 5 fags sat untouched on the coffee table & another 12 in the van. They would probably have been smoked by now (or at least one a day, first thing). I've had absolutely no desire to pick them up even let alone actually smoke them.

I'm going to stick with this. Apart from anything else, I love the flavours. We've got cranberry, cinamon, praline & cream, toffee, chocolate & hazelnut & menthol. I'm going to invest in coffee, vanilla & cherry too I think.

[Tom]

Well good luck Steve with this and also Angela too. :)

[Marc J]

Good luck Steve (and Angela) :)

I just worked out that I have saved over £16,000 since I stopped (hypnotist - 5 years ago). Time to treat myself to some goodies or a holiday :)

[rob1963]

I just worked out that I have saved over £16,000 since I stopped (hypnotist - 5 years ago).

I've saved about £15,000...and I only gave up just over THREE years ago!

:eek: :eek: :eek:

Good luck Steve & Angela!

:)

[Daryll]

100% respect steve and angela , got to admire you for this , I gave up 9 years ago , best thing I ever did.

Daryll

[BeerFunk]

The science and application you can't argue with, but it still sounds disgusting to me (although not as bad as regular cigarettes)! My Dad is a heavy smoker, has been for a long time, and I recently stripped the wallpaper in his living room. The yellow runs going down the walls from the steam were absolutely horrible, I just wanted to get the job done and clean up as quickly as possible! :(

[PropellerHeadCase]

I'm surprised the "science bit" didn't also point out that the biggest problem with the 'analog' smoking is all the other toxins that the burning of tobacco gives off, from arsenic to radio-active isotopes.


Beerfunk, I stripped and cleaned the house of an old man who had smoked two packs a day for the twenty years he'd lived there, seldom cleaned it and, apparently, frequently missed the bowl when urinating (also frequently not cleaned up). Industrial carpet cleaners took two runs at the place, once before and once after we papered and painted, and even after we stripped the wallpaper, re-papered and painted (four top coats) you could still smell the cigarette smoke!

[Tom]

Maby this might be of some help. :)

http://www.howtogetridofstuff.com/odor-removal/how-to-get-rid-of-cigarette-smoke-smell/2/

Could be used in the van/car aswell Steve. :)

[rob1963]

The science and application you can't argue with, but it still sounds disgusting to me (although not as bad as regular cigarettes)! My Dad is a heavy smoker, has been for a long time, and I recently stripped the wallpaper in his living room. The yellow runs going down the walls from the steam were absolutely horrible, I just wanted to get the job done and clean up as quickly as possible! :(

I know where you're coming from, Beerfunk.

It wasn't until I gave up that I realised how much my flat stunk, as people started admitting that they hadn't liked coming round before due to the smell (no jokes please...I'm referring to the smell of the ciggys!).

Apart from that, things in my flat don't go brown in 5 minutes now!

:D

Personally, I think the best way to give up is to go cold turkey.

It worked for me, as I went from about 50 a day to nothing overnight, and yet when I'd previously tried to cut down to 30 or 20 a day, I failed. Weird!

[Tom]

I think different people cope with it in different ways.

When my mum was quite ill, she quit then and hasn't been smoking for quite a while now. Worked well for her but maby not others.

[Corabar Steve]

I'm surprised the "science bit" didn't also point out that the biggest problem with the 'analog' smoking is all the other toxins that the burning of tobacco gives off, from arsenic to radio-active isotopes.I suppose this is a little too specific
- No carcinogens
Below is a list of 20 ingredients (out of 4,800!) of regular cigarettes. Each of these is described alongside:-
Acetone: One of the active ingredients in nail polish remover.
Ammonia: A caustic agent used in fertilisers and household cleaners. Is added to enhance the flavour of a cigarette, but also helps the smoker to absorb more nicotine thereby enhancing addiction.
Arsenic: Makes your lips burn and is responsible for giving you bad breath.
Benzopyrene: One of the most potent cancer-causing chemicals in the world. Found in coal tar and cigarette smoke.
Benzene: An industrial chemical and a constituent of gasoline. It is a group 1 carcinogen and is responsible for causing leukemia and aplitic anemia.
Butane: A key component of gasoline, it’s highly flammable.
Carbon Monoxide: A colourless, odourless gas, which starves the body of existing oxygen.
Cadmium: Used in batteries and oil paint. It is a group 1 carcinogen. It damages the liver, kidneys, and brain and remains in the body for years (>10 years). Is also excreted in the breast milk of nursing mothers.
Formaldehyde: Used in embalming (preserving tissue). Causes cancer and damages the lung, skin, and digestive tract.
Hydrogen Cyanide: A colourless poisonous gas. Short-term exposure causes headaches, dizziness, nausea and vomiting.
Lead: Of the heavy metal group. Stunts growth and damages the brain, kidneys and nervous system. Lead is more easily absorbed in the growing bodies so children are particularly vulnerable. Exposure in children can result in development delays, lower IQ levels, shortened attention spans and increased behavioural problems
Methoprene: An insecticide used to kill fleas on your pets.
Mercury: A heavy metal, affects the central nervous system. Exposure causes tremors, memory loss and kidney disease.
Nickel: A heavy metal, affects the central nervous system. Exposure causes increased susceptibility to respiratory infections.
Nitric oxide: Produces short-term effects on airway activity. High concentrations can lead to acute lung dysfunction.
Phenol: Used in disinfectants and plastic. Exposure causes skin, eye, and mucus membrane irritation.
Polonium: A cancer causing radioactive element.
Styrene: Found in insulation material. Causes headaches, fatigue, weakness, and depression.
Toluene: Embalmers glue, which is a central nervous system depressant. Exposure causes ataxia, tremors, cerebral atrophy, nystagmus, impaired speech, hearing and vision, headaches, dizziness and difficulty sleeping.
Turpentine: A toxic chemical used in paint stripper

& that's just the ingredients, not the result of what happens if you add them together & burn them!


The science and application you can't argue with, but it still sounds disgusting to me (although not as bad as regular cigarettes)!
So you don't use smoke or haze machines? because they must be disgusting too. I'm sure that you don't hold your breath at a gig when fog or haze are in the air. The ingredients in the e-juice are either food or pharmaceutical grade, something I doubt very much with smoke / haze fluid

It's actually quite pleasant, especially with some of the flavours.


& who said anything about giving up???

All I've done is change to an alternative (*& possibly healthier) way of administering my nicotine fix.

*this has not been proven categorically yet, but what tests have been done, it's looking that way.

I don't want to stop, I enjoy a smoke & the act of smoking. What I wasn't enjoying was all the crap that went with it. I haven't coughed once this morning.

[Excalibur]

Steve, normally I respect what you post on here, even though I often disagree. On this one I'm totally undecided. :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

[Corabar Steve]

Hey, I'm not trying to convert anyone. Just relating what I feel on the subject.

I've already had a go at one idiot on one of the forums who wanted to take it up as a method of weight loss. Sure, nicotine is supposedly an appetite suppressant, but this was a non-smoker!!!!!

[Excalibur]

Hey, I'm not trying to convert anyone. Just relating what I feel on the subject.

I've already had a go at one idiot on one of the forums who wanted to take it up as a method of weight loss. Sure, nicotine is supposedly an appetite suppressant, but this was a non-smoker!!!!!

If it works for you Steve, then good on you. I'm just going to sit here on this nice comfy fence for a while. ;) :D

FWIW, I'm vigorously anti smoking, but I regard the ban as a bad thing. It wasn't well thought out.

[BeerFunk]

So you don't use smoke or haze machines? because they must be disgusting too. I'm sure that you don't hold your breath at a gig when fog or haze are in the air. The ingredients in the e-juice are either food or pharmaceutical grade, something I doubt very much with smoke / haze fluidIt's the nicotine I don't like, as I believe that's the main cause of staining (teeth, nails, walls etc). It's possibly just psychological.

[Corabar Steve]

Nope, it's the tar that does all that.

If you're worried about nicotine, then you'd best stay away from Tomatoes, Potatoes, Cauliflower, Peppers & Aubergines & other veg in the Solanaceae family of vegetables. As they all contain trace amounts.:sj::sj:

Tests are currently being done, but early indications are that the nicotine is absorbed & there is none in the vapour.

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[Solitaire Events Ltd]

If you're worried about nicotine, then you'd best stay away from Tomatoes, Potatoes, Cauliflower, Peppers & Aubergines & other veg in the Solanaceae family of vegetables. As they all contain trace amounts.



And having just read about it for 20 minutes, are not at all harmful.

You don't let others posts silly things Steve.....

[Corabar Steve]

But a reasonable portion of any of the above will contain about as much nicotine as being sat in a room for a few hours getting passive smoke from somebody smoking tobacco. I'd be far more worried about all the other crap that comes out in tobacco smoke.


Nicotine in Vegetables
Dr. Norman F. Childers
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If you spend three hours in a room with minimal tobacco smoke, you get about the same amount amount of nicotine in 5 oz. of potatoes, 8 1/2 oz. ripe tomatoes, 9 1/2 oz. cauliflower, and 1/3 oz. eggplant. Cooking decreases some of the nicotine. These results are appearing in medical journals (e.g. The New England Journal of Medicine) from the experimental laboratories of Dr. Edward Domino, University of Michigan and colleagues. Extensive research is needed with the food nightshades to determine the culprits causing the subtle deteriorating effects on the human body as well as livestock. The horticulturalists need to study the possibility of "breeding down or out" the poisonous culprits in the highly popular and addicting food nightshades.

There is also nicotine in some varieties of Tea.

As I said above, it looks like there is little to no nicotine in the exhale from somebody using a PV. I'll post the full results when they become available


And having just read about it for 20 minutes, are not at all harmful.

You don't let others posts silly things Steve.....
Post amended with :sj: smilie as that part wasn't meant to be taken entirely seriously. (although it is part of the reason that potatoes are mildly poisonous in their raw state)

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Sorry, I don't believe that first quote. Complete rubbish. You really think I'm going to believe some clap trap that some idiot American has written?

They come out with this rubbish all the time.

[Excalibur]

Sorry, I don't believe that first quote. Complete rubbish. You really think I'm going to believe some clap trap that some idiot American has written?

They come out with this rubbish all the time.

Now if I can just find a way to get this :sofa: up on this fence, I should be OK when the bullets start flying. ;) ;) :D :D

[Corabar Steve]

There was also an article in the New England Medical Journal on the subject back in November 93 saying the same thing. I can only find snippits online, but if I can find the whole thing, I'll post a link for anyone interested.


Data from the above is shown below


The nicotine contents of vegetables
After spending an extraordinarily long time figuring out exactly how much nicotine eggplants contained, I found a proper source and made this page to make Google more helpful in the future. The data is taken from the New England Journal of Medicine vol 329 p437

Vegetable Nicotine in ng/g g per 1µg nicotine
Cauliflower .............16.8.......... 59.5
Eggplant (Aubergine) 100.0........ 10
Potatoes............... 7.1............ 140
Green tomatoes ......42.8 ..........23.4
Ripe tomatoes ........4.3 ............233.0
Pureed tomatoes .....52.0.......... 19.2

& a bit more from it here


There is considerable evidence that nicotine is present in certain human foods, especially plants from the family Solanaceae (such as potatoes, tomatoes, and eggplant). Castro and Monji;` Sheen,-' " and Davis et al. have reported on the nicotine content of foods and drinks': We have been able to confirm some of their findings in our laboratory. Gas chromatography and mass spectroscopy-5 were used to determine the nicotine and cotinine content of common vegetables and black tea available from a local supermarket. The vegetables analyzed were tomatoes, potatoes, cauliflower, and green peppers. They were thoroughly washed with tap water, as is done for human consumption. All the vegetables were treated in a similar manner so that any contamination from the tap water would be equally applicable. The vegetables (including their skins) were diced, pureed in a blender, prepared," and assayed-. Cotinine could not be detected in any of the samples. Measurable amounts of nicotine were found in some of the vegetables (Table 1). Green peppers, black tea, and Ann Arbor city water had no detectable nicotine.



In indoor air, a low concentration of nicotine from tobacco smoke is about 1 gg per cubic meter. A person weighing 70 kg with a tidal volume of 4 ml per kilogram of body weight breathing 20 times per minute would exchange 5.6 liters of air per minute. If we assume that nicotine is completely absorbed from the lungs, it would take 179 minutes, or about 3 hours, of breathing in an environment with minimal smoke to absorb 1 ug of nicotine. Table 1 shows the amount of each vegetable by wet weight one would have to eat to obtain an amount of nicotine comparable to that of a passive smoker. Of course, the route of absorption is quite different in eating as compared with inhaling. Furthermore, if the vegetables are thoroughly cooked, the nicotine will diffuse into the cooking water and less will be ingested. It appears that the dietary intake of nicotine in nonsmokers may be of practical importance in the interpretation of the role of passive smoke inhalation when one is determining nicotine and cotinine levels in body fluids.

Edward .Domino M.D Domino M.D. Erich Hornbach, B.A. Tsenge Demana, Ph.D. University of Michigan Ann Arbor. M1 48109

As I said, trace amounts.

Incidentally, the riper the tomato, the higher the nicotine content.

Might also explain why so many ex-smokers experience weight gain, they turn to chips for their nic fix :sj:

EDIT: Both Boots & Harrods are now selling PVs (I don't know which models though. Unlikely to be an EVO, which as far as I know is only available online)

[Excalibur]

And a propos of nothing directly connected here Arsenic is a growth promoter. :eek: ( In larger amounts, it is of course a very efficient growth suppressant :eek: :eek: )

Just trying to point out that giving a dog a bad name can lead to problems. ;) ;)

[Corabar Steve]

There is arsenic in apples & therefore in cider too.



































Bugger! :sj:

[rob1963]

I've been Googling these electronic cigarettes, and it appears that in a number of countries it's illegal to sell or possess them, and in some others they're only available on prescription.....so the jury is clearly still out.

:shrug:

[Excalibur]

There is arsenic in apples & therefore in cider too.
Bugger! :sj:

Whaddya mean "Everything I love is Illegal, Immoral or Fattening" :( :( :(

The real cider makes you go blind. :eek: :eek:






Edit: I've got to point out that you have to consume REALLY, REALLY serious amounts to achieve that effect.



I've been Googling these electronic cigarettes, and it appears that in a number of countries it's illegal to sell or possess them, and in some others they're only available on prescription.....so the jury is clearly still out.

:shrug:

Hop up on this fence here Rob, behind the sofa. I'll budge over a bit. :D :D

[rob1963]

Hop up on this fence here Rob, behind the sofa. I'll budge over a bit. :D :D

Indeed.

I'm not saying whether they're good or bad, merely that from what I've read, the jury is clearly still out.

[Corabar Steve]

I've been Googling these electronic cigarettes, and it appears that in a number of countries it's illegal to sell or possess them, and in some others they're only available on prescription.....so the jury is clearly still out.

:shrug:
& without wishing to appear rude (which has got to be a first when addressing Rob), you're still not in possession of the full facts.

For instance, the nature of the bans is down to a variety of things from the respective countries laws on controlled substances (liquid nicotine is a poison), packaging of the product (UK suppliers use childproof caps & very clear warning labels), knee-jerk reactions from anti smoking lobbyists (the fact that it is unproven in the long term) & pressure from the tobacco companies (who stand to lose a hell of a lot of revenue).

Nobody is saying that they are 100% safe (as due to the length of time they have been around, it's impossible for long term studies to have been done), but what they are a damn sight more safe than tobacco cigarettes.

& all I know is I feel so much better after a week of using one. Without any of the usual side effects that I experience when I usually stop using tobacco. Angela will attest to this, by now I would be at least twice as grumpy as usual.

One of the US forums has a couple of senators as members & one of them has actually given a PV to President Obama (a tobacco smoker)

[Excalibur]

Indeed.

I'm not saying whether they're good or bad, merely that from what I've read, the jury is clearly still out.

As a former smoker, I suspect your views carry more weight than mine. Like you, I'm totally undecided. :confused: :confused: It seems a good idea in principle, but somehow retrograde. Since we're now exhorted to have knowledge of a topic before sharing our views, I must now be quiet. ;)


& without wishing to appear rude (which has got to be a first when addressing Rob), you're still not in possession of the full facts.)
I'm off to specsavers now!:eek: I thought I saw Steve being polite to Rob. :D






& all I know is I feel so much better after a week of using one. Without any of the usual side effects that I experience when I usually stop using tobacco. Angela will attest to this, by now I would be at least twice as grumpy as usual.
)

Ah, now I can tell it's working. I DID see Steve being polite to Rob.:D :D

[Corabar Steve]

I can supply links to the forums & suppliers sites for anyone who wants to do some serious research.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

you're still not in possession of the full facts.

But then neither are you surely?

[rob1963]

& without wishing to appear rude (which has got to be a first when addressing Rob), you're still not in possession of the full facts

Indeed...and that's my whole point...NOBODY is in possession of the full facts.

That's why I will be keeping Excalibur company for the time being on this very uncomfortable fence!

:D

Edit: I've just read something else stating that toxicoligical studies have been conducted, with some reporting that electronic cigarettes are less harmful than traditional tobacco cigarettes...so I'm now even MORE on the fence than before!

:shrug:

[Corabar Steve]

But then neither are you surely?
With regard to the bans, not whether they are evil incarnate or the best thing since sliced bread for smokers.

A nice little article that Angela found today

Where's the Fire?
by Jacob Sullum
Wednesday, April 08, 2009

The first time Tom Kiklas saw an electronic cigarette, he recalls, "I couldn't stand it … I thought, 'I don't want to be involved in this.' I'm an anti-smoking kind of guy."

But after Kiklas realized that electronic cigarettes, a.k.a. e-cigarettes, deliver nicotine without tobacco or combustion products, thereby eliminating virtually all of the health hazards associated with smoking, he was comfortable becoming media relations director for inLife, one of the companies that sell the devices in the United States. Unfortunately, many anti-smoking activists and public health officials are stuck in that first stage of visceral antipathy toward anything that resembles cigarettes, an emotional reaction that could prove deadly for smokers.

Last week, the House of Representatives approved a bill that authorizes the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to regulate tobacco products. Lest anyone think that cigarettes will be safer as a result, the bill prohibits manufacturers from mentioning FDA regulation, saying, "consumers are likely to be confused and misled" if they know about it.

Meanwhile, supporters of the bill, which the Senate will consider later this year, are demanding that the FDA ban e-cigarettes, a potentially life-saving alternative for smokers, as unauthorized drug delivery devices. Last month, Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), who brags that he is "one of the Senate's leaders in protecting Americans from the dangers of smoking," urged the FDA to take e-cigarettes off the market "until they are proven safe." The next day, the American Cancer Society, the American Heart Association, the American Lung Association and the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids applauded Lautenberg's position.

Michael Siegel, a professor at the Boston University School of Public Health, did not. "This is about as idiotic and irrational an approach as I have ever seen in my 22 years in tobacco control and public health," he wrote on his blog. "A public policy maker who touts himself as being a champion of the public's health as well as some of the leading national health advocacy organizations is demanding that we ban what is clearly a much safer cigarette than those on the market, but that we allow, protect, approve and institutionalize the really toxic ones."

Introduced by the Chinese company Ruyan in 2004, e-cigarettes produce water vapor containing nicotine and the food additive propylene glycol. The tip of the battery-powered "cigarette" lights up when a user sucks on it, and the vapor looks like smoke, but it dissipates immediately and contains none of the toxins and carcinogens that are generated when tobacco burns.

Given the enormous differences between this vapor and tobacco smoke, the companies that sell e-cigarettes online and from shopping mall kiosks are on firm ground in advertising them as safer alternatives to conventional cigarettes that can be used in places where smoking is banned. The arguments of e-cigarette opponents, by contrast, reek of red herrings.

The critics warn that nicotine is addictive, that it may contribute to cardiovascular problems, and that smokers may use e-cigarettes as way of coping with smoking bans, continuing their habits instead of quitting. All of these objections also apply to the nicotine gum, patches, sprays and inhalers the FDA has approved as safe and effective smoking cessation tools.

E-cigarettes are less expensive than those products and may be more appealing to smokers looking for an experience that's closer to the real thing. Although they have not been subject to the sort of rigorous testing the FDA demands for new drugs, the drug they contain is not new. It's the same one delivered, in a much dirtier manner, by the cigarettes that the government says kill 400,000 Americans every year.

"The standard for lower-risk products for use by current smokers," argues the American Association of Public Health Physicians, "should be the hazard posed by cigarettes, not a pharmaceutical safety standard." Telling smokers they may not use e-cigarettes until they're approved by the FDA is like telling a floundering swimmer not to climb aboard a raft because it might have a leak.

[Corabar Steve]

Just thought I'd show off the case I've made for it

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Top layer: 1 entire EVO, 2 spare carts, 2 spare atomizers, paperclip (essential tool when refilling the carts) & spare battery 1. Folded paper towel (Not shown (for spills & leaks) fits in the lid)

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Bottom Layer: 8 spare carts (Stopper up = full, stopper down = used), spare stopper (you never know) & spare batteries 2 & 3.


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[PropellerHeadCase]

It's like hemp sub-culture for the eGeneration, or in Steve's case, the reGeneration :D

[Vectis]

Blimey Steve that keyboard could do with a clean :eek:

[Corabar Steve]

Blimey Steve that keyboard could do with a clean :eek:
That keyboard could do with replacing :sj:

[Corabar Steve]

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Well, getting on for 3 weeks now & no looking back!

I'm now into making a saving on what I would've spent on traditional cigarettes (even taking the initial outlay for the starter kits, syringes, bottles etc into account). My cough has completely gone & I can "smoke" inside my favourite boozer.

[Tom]

Well done Steve for getting this far. :)

Keep up the good work. :approve:. :) :beer1:

[Penfold42]

Well done Steve for getting this far. :)

Keep up the good work. :approve:. :) :beer1:

Ditto! :)

[Corabar Steve]

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(http://www.smokewithoutfire.co.uk/eCigSavings.html) A month /4 weeks has now passed & I have to say I feel so much better physically than I have done in a long time.

Seems to be working for me.

Seem to have picked up some converts at NADJ on Sunday too both Lee & Paul Arnett expressed an interest

Even Excalibur was impressed.

Although I did worry Clive@CRS as there were no fire marshals on duty & therefore nobody was allowed to use smoke or haze machines. He wondered where the puff of smoke that was showing off his lasers beautifully had come from.

[Shaun]

Well done Steve. Keep it up. :)

[Penfold42]

:cool: and well done.

[Excalibur]

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(http://www.smokewithoutfire.co.uk/eCigSavings.html) A month /4 weeks has now passed & I have to say I feel so much better physically than I have done in a long time.

Seems to be working for me.

Seem to have picked up some converts at NADJ on Sunday too both Lee & Paul Arnett expressed an interest

Even Excalibur was impressed.

Although I did worry Clive@CRS as there were no fire marshals on duty & therefore nobody was allowed to use smoke or haze machines. He wondered where the puff of smoke that was showing off his lasers beautifully had come from.
I was indeed. I know how some smokers can struggle to give up, and if this is a lesser of two evils, then fair do's. It may not be the best option, but it's one of the least worst. Steve says he can now walk to the pub quicker and easier. :eek:

I fear he still has some way to go on the path to ridding his body totally of toxins. :( :( :(

[rob1963]

I fear he still has some way to go on the path to ridding his body totally of toxins.

Indeed.

I believe that after giving up "normal" cigarettes it takes more than 10 years to get the effects out of your system.

[PropellerHeadCase]

I thought it was seven? i guess it's down to metabolism and so on anyway.

[rob1963]

I thought it was seven? i guess it's down to metabolism and so on anyway.

I think it's even more than 10.

My dad gave up around 20 years ago due to having a chronic cough, and the cough is still no better.

I guess the difference is that if he HADN'T given up, he wouldn't still be alive.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

After... Health Benefit...
72 hours Breathing becomes easier. Bronchial tubes begin to relax and energy levels increase
1 month Skin appearance improves owing to improved skin perfusion
3–9 months Cough, wheezing, and breathing problems improve and lung function increases by up to 10%
1 year Risk of a heart attack falls to about half that of a smoker
10 years Risk of lung cancer falls to about half that of a smoker
15 years Risk of heart attack falls to the same level as someone who has never smoked

[Corabar Steve]

Looks like I've been lucky with the cough then.

Although surely all those statistics depend on how heavily you smoked in the first place

[rob1963]

Looks like I've been lucky with the cough then.

Indeed.


surely all those statistics depend on how heavily you smoked in the first place

And presumably on how LONG you smoked for as well.

[Corabar Steve]

That too.


The odd thing is I'm not sure whether or not to consider myself a non smoker or not.

I don't smoke, but I go through the motions of smoking. Strictly speaking (by the wording of law) I'm not smoking.

[PropellerHeadCase]

But you are inhaling a nicotine-based intoxicant - depends on your perspective I susppose.

By the letter of the law (and most smokers I'd guess) you aren't, in the eyes of most non-smokers you are, but you're not a) exhaling and, b) dumping ash, butts and cellophane everywhere.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

He does exhale and breathe out 'vapour' too.

[PropellerHeadCase]

OK, not exhaling 'smoke'!

[Corabar Steve]

Hence my point.


What would I put on a life insurance form for instance?

[PropellerHeadCase]

Obviously, go with non-smoking 'cause it brings the premium down :D

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Hence my point.


What would I put on a life insurance form for instance?

It doesn't make any difference unless you've given up for a long time.

[rob1963]

It doesn't make any difference unless you've given up for a long time.

...like we both have!

:D :D :D

[Corabar Steve]

Thread moved to general MDD Chat, as I just realised that least 2 people that I spoke to about them at / after the NADJ show couldn't see this thread in the Supporters Section.


It may not be the best option, but it's one of the least worst.
Seems to be a more effective way of giving up tobacco (from the habit POV).

You still get your fix, so no cravings & there is the hand to mouth ritual (which is where most failed users of gum & patches fail), & it doesn't look as twätty as using an inhalator.

Only fallen off the wagon once in the time I've been using e-cigs:

My van seems to set the batteries off at high speeds (vibration) & I got stuck in traffic on the way to a gig, so in a misguided attempt to prolong battery life, I lit up one of the pack that was sat untouched in the cab.

It lasted precisely one puff & tasted bloody awful!

I'm treating myself to a model with a manual switch (as opposed to a pressure sensitive one (Like wot I use now)) for my birthday solely for driving.

Also Angela & I have kind of become importers. We've done a bulk order of batteries with USB passthroughs (instead of a normal battery, the battery has a USB lead coming out of the end where the LED would usually be, this plugs into your PC & you can power the e-cig from that rather than waste your battery charge) for ourselves & other members of one of the e-cig forums.


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[rob1963]

Glad to hear it's still going well, Steve.

Out of interest, is the long term plan to continue vaping, or to give up completely?

[Corabar Steve]

Continue. Smoking has always been something I enjoy, even though I knew it was bad for me.

Vaping gives me all the good stuff, without the nastiness

[Corabar Steve]

Going back to the restrictions that we were discussing earlier.

YouTube - The Electronic Cigarette: Public Health Movie

Although this is supposed to be a parody, it pretty much sums up the situation in the US at the moment. The sort of people in the video are pressuring the FDA to ban e-cigs

[Corabar Steve]

I'm treating myself to a model with a manual switch (as opposed to a pressure sensitive one (Like wot I use now)) for my birthday solely for driving.

Also Angela & I have kind of become importers. We've done a bulk order of batteries with USB passthroughs (instead of a normal battery, the battery has a USB lead coming out of the end where the LED would usually be, this plugs into your PC & you can power the e-cig from that rather than waste your battery charge) for ourselves & other members of one of the e-cig forums.


The passthroughs are working very well, I can now guarantee that I'll go out for the night with 4 fully charged batteries (6 if you include the 2 for my new manual switched Titans)

The Titans are brilliant, just what I needed to solve the self avtivation problems I had when driving.

I'm a happy bunny!


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[Corabar Steve]

The passthroughs are working very well, I can now guarantee that I'll go out for the night with 4 fully charged batteries (6 if you include the 2 for my new manual switched Titans)

The Titans are brilliant, just what I needed to solve the self avtivation problems I had when driving.

I'm a happy bunny!


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Well it's been nearly 6 months & I'm still loving it!

I think the Titans may well be going up for sale in the near future due to a company bringing out a manual battery compatible with the M401. Means I will only have to have one set of atomizers now.

I feel sorry for the smokers that have to go outside (actually no I don't. Get an e-cig & stay inside with me suckers!) It's generated a lot of interest at my regular Friday venue.

[Shaun]

Well done, Steve!!

[Corabar Steve]

I feel odd when people say well done TBH Shaun, I feel like I'm still a smoker (just without the crap that goes with it).

Bonuses include not being out of breath when I get to the pub

A minus seems to be that Stag Chili seems to be too hot for me now, possibly due to my tastebuds coming back to life

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Big girl....

[Corabar Steve]

Big girl....
Well I assume it was for the reason I gave above & not just a rogue batch.

I'll have to have a curry to be able to confirm or deny this theory. I like a good Madras (anything hotter just seems pointless)

[Corabar Steve]

I had to go to the doctor last week due to a severe throat infection (boy have I not been well over the past 2 weeks) The glands in my throat swole up to the extent that I was starting to resemble a bullfrog.*

The doctor asked if I was a smoker, so I filled him in on the situation.

I am officially a non-smoker.

Who says you can't have your cake & eat it?














*My throat is still swollen, but nowhere near as bad as it was. I couldn't swallow, & it was begining to affect my breathing. I had to pull out of Friday's gig & at one point it was touch & go as to if I'd be able to do Saturday's one.

[Excalibur]

I had to go to the doctor last week due to a severe throat infection (boy have I not been well over the past 2 weeks) The glands in my throat swole up to the extent that I was starting to resemble a bullfrog.*

The doctor asked if I was a smoker, so I filled him in on the situation.

I am officially a non-smoker.

Who says you can't have your cake & eat it?

*My throat is still swollen, but nowhere near as bad as it was. I couldn't swallow, & it was begining to affect my breathing. I had to pull out of Friday's gig & at one point it was touch & go as to if I'd be able to do Saturday's one.


Let's hope the diagnosis isn't that you're now allergic to your battery powered ciggies! :eek:

Steve, as an aside, and you may have an idea, is there any similarity between what you use, and the "Smokeless" :confused: ones Ryanair were selling at 4 for £10? :confused: :confused:

[Corabar Steve]

Let's hope the diagnosis isn't that you're now allergic to your battery powered ciggies! :eek: I'm not


Steve, as an aside, and you may have an idea, is there any similarity between what you use, and the "Smokeless" :confused: ones Ryanair were selling at 4 for £10? :confused: :confused:They're not. What Ryanair are salling is much more akin to the NHS inhalators only they are cigarette shaped rathre than the twatty shape that you see in the ads.



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[rob1963]

Quote:
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Steve,

I have no idea what vaping costs, so out of interest how much would you have saved if you'd given up completely 216 days ago?

[Marc J]

Quote:
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Steve,

I have no idea what vaping costs, so out of interest how much would you have saved if you'd given up completely 216 days ago?

How much does 4,335 cigarettes cost? I just looked up the cost of what I used to smoke and they are currently 28.5p / cigarette.

So since I stopped I have saved roughly £24,966, less the cost of the hypnotist leaves a tidy £24,926 profit :)

And all I've treated myself to are 2 TVs and a holiday....time to raid the piggy bank I think :eek:

[soundtracker]

How much does 4,335 cigarettes cost? I just looked up the cost of what I used to smoke and they are currently 28.5p / cigarette.

So since I stopped I have saved roughly £24,966, less the cost of the hypnotist leaves a tidy £24,926 profit :)

And all I've treated myself to are 2 TVs and a holiday....time to raid the piggy bank I think :eek:

Lol, I think "roughly" you could have said £25 grand Marc!!:D

[rob1963]

So since I stopped I have saved roughly £24,966, less the cost of the hypnotist leaves a tidy £24,926 profit :)

Nice one Marc!

Your post prompted me to see how much I've saved.

I gave up less than 4 years ago, but so far the figure is £17,600.

:jawdrop:

[Corabar Steve]

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Steve,

I have no idea what vaping costs, so out of interest how much would you have saved if you'd given up completely 216 days ago?
No idea. But then as I said earlier, I have no intention of giving up entirely, so I don't really care how much I would've saved. It's a bit like Jim Bowen's "This is what you would've won", a bit of a moot point.

But if you want to do the sums I was on 20 - 30 a day average & my regular brand cost £4.50 (no idea if the price is the same now)




As a side note to something I said earlier, the Titans have now been given away. After their initial "Wow!" period they soon bedded in & became an inferior product to the Intellicig EVOs that I mainly use. I hadn't noticed that the battery life was roughly half that of the EVOs (or the EM4s that I got as manual batteries that fit the same model (M401)) Folks who were at BPM will also notice that the bigger model I had (510 Titan) looked cheaper & not as well constructed as the smaller (more cigarette sized) one (M401 (EVO / EM4)) They also didn't give as good a flavour as the M401s due to the fact that the 510s burn hotter at a higher voltage (this burns off a lot of the liquid before it gets vapourised)

[Corabar Steve]

One year & counting.



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[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Have you not smoked a 'proper' fag in that time?

[Corabar Steve]

Yep, as mentioned in this thread (somewhere, I can't be bothered to find the post), it was vile!.

I gave away the half pack that was in the van & there's still a half pack in the coffee table. I think Angela still has a half pack in her handbag.

[rob1963]

One year & counting.


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Well done, Steve.

:thumbsup:


4 years, 2 months, 17 days & counting here.

£21,133 saved & 76,850 analogs avoided!

:jawdrop:

[Corabar Steve]

£21133 saved & 70 odd thousand fags avoided in little over 3 years more than me!

DID YOU SMOKE IN YOUR SLEEP OR SOMETHING?!?!?!?!?

[rob1963]

£21133 saved & 70 odd thousand fags avoided in little over 3 years more than me!

DID YOU SMOKE IN YOUR SLEEP OR SOMETHING?!?!?!?!?

:lol:

Not quite...but I WAS on 50 a day.

[Corabar Steve]

Thread resurrected for the benefit of Mr Booche

[Booche]

:D Yes been using the Black intellicig today and only had 2 proper ciggys which i feel alot better for :D

Its a huge thanks to Both ANGELA & STEVE for there input on them and STEVE for giving me the card to make the order

Will see how i get on in next few days/weeks :)

Cheers Dave :)

[Jonathan Ford]

A mate of mine is trying to give up smoking, but only smokes Hamlet Minatures...which he barely inhales. For some reason, it's made sense to him to switch to smoking 20 Marlboro a day, so he can then switch to one of these gadgets?!?!?

[Charlie Brown]

I didn't know you smoke Dave?

I'm trying to get Mother to quit!

I'll show her this. :sj:

[Booche]

A mate of mine is trying to give up smoking, but only smokes Hamlet Minatures...which he barely inhales. For some reason, it's made sense to him to switch to smoking 20 Marlboro a day, so he can then switch to one of these gadgets?!?!?

Yeah its weird to start with but i feel like its going to work :) takes will power but woohoo come on :)


I didn't know you smoke Dave?

I'm trying to get Mother to quit!

I'll show her this. :sj:

yeah been smoking for alot of years :( need to stop big time due to my kids and work etc so looks like im going to save a packet (no pun intended)

Cheers Dave :)

[Charlie Brown]

need to stop big time due to my kids and work etc so looks like im going to save a packet (no pun intended)

Cheers Dave :)

It's good job I can't! (or very well)

I end up having asthma attacks etc.

[Corabar Entertainment]

Just to say again... they're not a 'quit smoking' aid per se, but rather an alternative!

[Charlie Brown]

Just to say again... they're not a 'quit smoking' aid per se, but rather an alternative!

Oh,

Having read Steve's post they sound a lot healthier to the average cigarette?

[Kernow]

Just to say again... they're not a 'quit smoking' aid per se, but rather an alternative!

Or an extension, as mine have proved to be ;)

[Corabar Steve]

How so?

[Corabar Entertainment]

Or an extension, as mine have proved to be ;)Well yes, but whilst you're using them they are an alternative (unless you've got an e-cig and a normal cig in your gob at the same time! :p )


Oh,

Having read Steve's post they sound a lot healthier to the average cigarette?
Yes - but doesn't that make it an alternative (you're still getting the nicotine*)?

*although they are available without!

[Charlie Brown]

Yes - but doesn't that make it an alternative (you're still getting the nicotine*)?

*although they are available without!

Ahh, I see.

...I don't smoke BTW.

But thanks, I'll tell Mum.

[Corabar Steve]

As a side note to something I said earlier, the Titans have now been given away. After their initial "Wow!" period they soon bedded in & became an inferior product to the Intellicig EVOs that I mainly use. I hadn't noticed that the battery life was roughly half that of the EVOs (or the EM4s that I got as manual batteries that fit the same model (M401)) Folks who were at BPM will also notice that the bigger model I had (510 Titan) looked cheaper & not as well constructed as the smaller (more cigarette sized) one (M401 (EVO / EM4)) They also didn't give as good a flavour as the M401s due to the fact that the 510s burn hotter at a higher voltage (this burns off a lot of the liquid before it gets vapourised)


My van seems to set the batteries off at high speeds (vibration) & I got stuck in traffic on the way to a gig, so in a misguided attempt to prolong battery life, I lit up one of the pack that was sat untouched in the cab.

It lasted precisely one puff & tasted bloody awful!

I'm treating myself to a model with a manual switch (as opposed to a pressure sensitive one (Like wot I use now)) for my birthday solely for driving. The issues hilighted above (the pressure switch being basically a tiny microphone & therefore activating with vibration wind & loud noises) have been solved for me by using batteries with a manual switch (now available in the UK from Liberty Flights), Intellicig have also addressed the issue by redesigning their batteries. An announcement was made last week that the white batteries were now no longer affected by loud noises & the black & silver ones would soon follow suit.


I feel sorry for the smokers that have to go outside (actually no I don't. Get an e-cig & stay inside with me suckers!) It's generated a lot of interest at my regular Friday venue.Interest, it seems does not make converts, although there are now 3 e-cig users there (4 if you count the pillock who won't bring his out in case he loses it)

[Corabar Steve]

After reading Tom's thread, an update:

4 years on & still going strong. Just changed hardware as Intellicig are discontinuing their black & silver models (seems most people want their cigarette sizes e-cigs to look like cigarettes. I don't, I like it to be obvious at first glance that I haven't got a fag in my gob). Now using Joytech eRoll (very impressed so far & the portable charger looks way cooler than the old one), with Intellicig liquid.

Thinking about getting myself an e-pipe for home use (pipe, slippers, smoking jacket, cravat & smoking cap :D)(some of the previous statement may have been ficticious).



No intention of giving up.

[Tom]

After reading Tom's thread, an update:

4 years on & still going strong. Just changed hardware as Intellicig are discontinuing their black & silver models (seems most people want their cigarette sizes e-cigs to look like cigarettes. I don't, I like it to be obvious at first glance that I haven't got a fag in my gob). Now using Joytech eRoll (very impressed so far & the portable charger looks way cooler than the old one), with Intellicig liquid.

Thinking about getting myself an e-pipe for home use (pipe, slippers, smoking jacket, cravat & smoking cap :D)(some of the previous statement may have been ficticious).



No intention of giving up.

My mate has had a gandalf style pipe custom made. Does look the business. lol. Produces a warm vape (length of stem depending). Will get hold of a few pictures and post them up. :)

[Corabar Steve]

After reading Tom's thread, an update:

4 years on & still going strong. Just changed hardware as Intellicig are discontinuing their black & silver models (seems most people want their cigarette sizes e-cigs to look like cigarettes. I don't, I like it to be obvious at first glance that I haven't got a fag in my gob). Now using Joytech eRoll (very impressed so far & the portable charger looks way cooler than the old one), with Intellicig liquid.

Thinking about getting myself an e-pipe for home use (pipe, slippers, smoking jacket, cravat & smoking cap :D)(some of the previous statement may have been ficticious).



No intention of giving up.

Nearly 8 years on now. Joytech discontinued the eRoll about a year ago, so I'm now on ePuffer Magnum Snaps (the snaps bit refers to the fact that the cartridges attach to the batteries with magnets father than screwing on). It's becoming increasingly difficult to get cigarette sized e-cigs. I don't want to be sucking on something that looks like a lightsabre.

I have also amassed a small collection of various models of e-pipe (which fits in quite nicely with the Steampunk stuff) still in search of the smoking cap, jacket & cravat though.

[Imagine]

Steve - you've seen the size of the mod I puff on.....you need to get with the crowd and get a CoolFire IV. There's definitely no mistaking it for a real ciggy! (plus being sub-ohm....the clouds are unreal!)

BTW - since actually meeting you at BPM...I now have an e-pipe for when the amount of cloud is a problem....it's fantastic :)

[Corabar Steve]

Steve - you've seen the size of the mod I puff on.....you need to get with the crowd and get a CoolFire IV. There's definitely no mistaking it for a real ciggy! (plus being sub-ohm....the clouds are unreal!)

BTW - since actually meeting you at BPM...I now have an e-pipe for when the amount of cloud is a problem....it's fantastic :)

TBH I find the amount of vapour from my pipe satisfying & I've got my minis for when visible vapour could be a problem, in fairness they put out the same amount of clouds as a tobacco cigarette, so no real complaints there (hold it in a little longer than usual & you'd be hard pushed to see any).

Did you get one of the ePuffer pipes Wayne?

[Imagine]

I got this one (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B012JC620S/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

[Corabar Steve]

Is that the auto one with the boost button?

[ckpr2]

The best way to stop smoking is never to start.
You don't miss what you never had.

As a kid I remember my dad going out to work at 5:30am.
As he hit the morning cold air he would start coughing.
This is what put me off smoking.
He had his first heart attack at 46.
I am 60 and still awaiting my first heart attack.

I have no problem with people smoking fags or electronic cigarettes so long a they don't blow it my way.

[Excalibur]

Is that the auto one with the boost button?

And the go faster stripes, wide wheels and twin turbos? :confused:

[Corabar Steve]

The best way to stop smoking is never to start.
You don't miss what you never had.

As a kid I remember my dad going out to work at 5:30am.
As he hit the morning cold air he would start coughing.
This is what put me off smoking.
He had his first heart attack at 46.
I am 60 and still awaiting my first heart attack.

I have no problem with people smoking fags or electronic cigarettes so long a they don't blow it my way.

If you actually read the whole thread, you'll see there was never any intention of stopping smoking & nobody asked for the best way to stop.

I'm sure if you wait patiently it will come.

Do you have the same attitude to smoke machines?

[mattydj50]

The best way to stop smoking is never to start.
You don't miss what you never had.

As a kid I remember my dad going out to work at 5:30am.
As he hit the morning cold air he would start coughing.
This is what put me off smoking.
He had his first heart attack at 46.
I am 60 and still awaiting my first heart attack.

I have no problem with people smoking fags or electronic cigarettes so long a they don't blow it my way.

Did you live in our house? The difference is, my dad didn't have a heart attack (though he died at 52 from an unrelated issue). Me however, I DID have a heart attack, aged 57, never having touched a fag in my life.

[Corabar Steve]

Steve - you've seen the size of the mod I puff on.....you need to get with the crowd and get a CoolFire IV. There's definitely no mistaking it for a real ciggy! (plus being sub-ohm....the clouds are unreal!)

BTW - since actually meeting you at BPM...I now have an e-pipe for when the amount of cloud is a problem....it's fantastic :)

Angela's search for a suitable mini to replace her now defunct eRoll is hitting a bit of a wall. We did find some, but the battery life on their PCC would probably mean having to carry at least 2 or 3 of them.

On Thursday night she spotted this. (https://www.theelectroniccigarette.co.uk/e-cig-kits-devices/eleaf-ijust-2-mini-e-cigarette-kit.html)

Friday lunchtime we ordered a kit, an extra battery, this tank (https://www.theelectroniccigarette.co.uk/tanks/joyetech-cubis-pro-mini-tank.html), & the highest ohm attys that both tanks will take (not really interested in sub ohm, we both prefer taste to clouds).

Bright & early yesterday Mr Postman delivered some shiny new toys. We've both been trying them swapping back & forth (although I have no intention of giving up on my pipes. Firstly, we thought we'd go for the extreme & used the 0.3:r: & 0.5:r: atty that came with the respective tanks & completely open airflow. HOLY :Censored:!!!! Angela's first drag nearly blew her head off & I didn't stop laughing for around 5 minutes. The throat hit was unbelievably strong & my god they were noisy. Tried again with airflow closed still very strong. Eventually we settled on 1.5:r: with half an air hole open in the Joyetech tank & 0.75:r: in the Eleaf with the airholes closed (so technically Angela has joined the sub ohm club). Much better, more like what we're used to & less noisy

One thing however, we both got such a nicotine rush from our usual 2.4% liquid, that we ended up cutting it with some AG that & had knocking about with my 7.2% liquid. Now both happily vaping away on 1.2%.

I'm not particularly fond of the mouthpiece on either tank, so I'm getting some narrow bore drip tips from The Drip Tip Store (http://www.thedriptipstore.com/collections/view-all-drip-trips). Hopefully this will make it a much closer experience to my pipes & minis for me. According to several threads on ECF this also gives better flavour, here's hoping.

[Excalibur]

Two things, Steve.
1) PCC. I never had Angela down for joining the Parochial Church Council. :eek::confused: She's not become a born again Christian, has she? Apologies for a post regarding religion, I may be sailing mighty close to the wind, regarding the spirit of Rules 19 and 20.

Which brings me to
2) Steve, I'm amazed at you. Flouting my beloved Rule 23. :mad:

23. All communication should be in the English language and text language should not be used. :Naughty:

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Warning: Lest anyone should think I'm being serious, this is yet another of my many attempts at humour, jest, and levity, with the aim of getting a rise ( or at the very least a :moon:) out of Steve. Although I'm no expert on these things, I'm guessing Steve is referring to attenuators ( to give them their full title ) of varying resistances which presumably have some effect on battery life, temperature, or both.

[Corabar Steve]

I didn't use txt spk :p

Portable Charging Case

Atomiser

























Oh, &



:moon:


:sj:

[Imagine]

Ooohh......a vape club. I'll go fetch my smoking jacket :)

Peter....you've already been warned about your sense of "humour" this week :Naughty:


Angela's search for a suitable mini to replace her now defunct eRoll is hitting a bit of a wall. We did find some, but the battery life on their PCC would probably mean having to carry at least 2 or 3 of them.

On Thursday night she spotted this. (https://www.theelectroniccigarette.co.uk/e-cig-kits-devices/eleaf-ijust-2-mini-e-cigarette-kit.html)

Friday lunchtime we ordered a kit, an extra battery, this tank (https://www.theelectroniccigarette.co.uk/tanks/joyetech-cubis-pro-mini-tank.html), & the highest ohm attys that both tanks will take (not really interested in sub ohm, we both prefer taste to clouds).



Nah.....give me clouds any day :)

That said, I keep getting in trouble at home (and indeed it's starting to get on my nerves in the van) because big clouds cause no end of greasy residue on glass :(.

So....I just got one of these :) https://thevape.guide/kanger-evod-pro-v2-review/. Not as hot, not as cloudy, but like you and Angela I'm starting to appreciate the flavour of the custard juice these days instead of the throat hit. That said, I'm running it at 0.5:r: at the moment :)

Battery life is insane (lasts a whole day and I'm a heavy vaper), and it's not quite so clunky to carry around.


Firstly, we thought we'd go for the extreme & used the 0.3:r: & 0.5:r: atty that came with the respective tanks & completely open airflow. HOLY :Censored:!!!! Angela's first drag nearly blew her head off & I didn't stop laughing for around 5 minutes.


Mwaaaawww hawwww haaaa!!!! :sofa:

Sorry.....I did warn you about that at BPM I believe. My big Aspire Atlantis tank runs nicely at around 0.2:r:....but I'm used to it. I've seen hardened smokers on their knees after a drag on that thing.....it's hilarious :)

And especially for Peter from a fellow vaper.....

:moon: :moon: :moon: :moon: :moon: :moon:

[Corabar Steve]

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My pipe rack


So....I just got one of these :) https://thevape.guide/kanger-evod-pro-v2-review/.

You can't swap out the tank then?


Mwaaaawww hawwww haaaa!!!! :sofa:

Sorry.....I did warn you about that at BPM I believe. My big Aspire Atlantis tank runs nicely at around 0.2:r:....but I'm used to it. I've seen hardened smokers on their knees after a drag on that thing.....it's hilarious :)

I was petrified to try the bloody thing after her.

[Corabar Steve]

I got this one (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B012JC620S/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

A quick question on that one Wayne, does it have a 510 drip tip?

[Imagine]

Yup :)



The Westminster II a modern automatic and manual vaping e Pipe. Now upgraded with a vaping boost button, tighter fitting stem and half hidden e liquid tank. The bowl automatically activates the 18350 battery and vapour is produced when one draws on the e-pipe stem. More Vapour is produced if you touch the boost button. A simple and reliable system. Light, well made and durable the Westminster easily fits in your jacket, shirt or coat pocket. Made of high quality durable plastic with a beautiful mahogany wood effect as in the pictures. The stem (or drip tip) is high quality durable black plastic. This is a very nice looking elegant e shisha e pipe. A blend of modern and classic. New technology in a traditional form. Like all our pipes it uses 18350 re chargeable batteries which are supplied together with an international USB charger. It has a tank for any e liquid (2.0ml) you chose to use. The main body of the pipe is made of a very high quality wood effect plastic in which the re chargeable 18350 battery is stored. We supply two 18350 high drain IMR batteries 900mAh 3.7v and a UK mains charger. Amazon does not allow any nicotine. There is no nicotine in this listing. As such this listing does not have any e-liquid. You may purchase e-liquids in a huge variety of places either on-line or in shops. Connection Threading: 510 Material: Aluminium Alloy + Chromed Brass + PC + High Quality Wood Effect Plastic. Resistance: 1.50ohm-3.0ohm Full-filled Tank: 200 to 300 puffs Tank Capacity: 2ml Battery Lifetime: 300 recharges aprox. Input voltage: 3.7V

[Corabar Steve]

I thought that was the bowl end (the battery to tank thread) rather than the stem. I fancy a trad looking pipe with a long stem & I've sound a supplier, but they only do ones interchangeable with 510 drip tips (like wot I've got on the ELeaf) & not any of the pipes I've got.

[Corabar Steve]

Long-term study shows that vaping really is safer… (http://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/e-cigs-safer-regular-cigarettes/)


(http://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/e-cigs-safer-regular-cigarettes/)

[Corabar Steve]

Well, I've got considerably less now. Since last week, I've broken 3 pipes (1 irreparably, 1 some superglue will probably sort & 1 being replaced under warranty even though it had expired) Also on Tuesday my van was broken into & a bag containing among other things 3 of my pipes (including my most recent acquisition) & all of my cigalikes & their charging case.

Still got enough to be going on with, but massively disgruntled to say the least.

[Imagine]

Well, I've got considerably less now. Since last week, I've broken 3 pipes (1 irreparably, 1 some superglue will probably sort & 1 being replaced under warranty even though it had expired) Also on Tuesday my van was broken into & a bag containing among other things 3 of my pipes (including my most recent acquisition) & all of my cigalikes & their charging case.

Still got enough to be going on with, but massively disgruntled to say the least.

You forgot to mention the manicure case there! :p

I did see that little incident on the Book of Faces the other day. Hope they manage to get the thieving :Censored: but I wouldn't like to put money on it.

Does this mean that Thor's hammer thing's been nicked as well?

Time to come over to the dark side and try some proper sub-ohm clouds ;)

[Corabar Steve]

Does this mean that Thor's hammer thing's been nicked as well?

Time to come over to the dark side and try some proper sub-ohm clouds ;)

It does, but I've already found a replacement.

My iJust2 has a 0.5 coil fitted in a Cubis Mini tank. Nice, but I probably use it the least of all my devices.

[Corabar Steve]

My new Hammer arrived this morning, as did a replacement bowl for my broken 629.

I also treated myself to cheer myself up. For those of you not friends with me on Facebook, may I introduce Balthazar (excuse the state of the cushion, it's my kitten's favourite spot)

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I now have 5 working pipes & 1 that needs a little work on the stem, plus my 2 cylinder mods

[Corabar Steve]

I missed my 10 year anniversary.

31/03/09 - now.

I think it's safe to say they've taken off & a few more people know what they are (even if some have difficulty with the concept of pipe shaped e-cigs)

[Excalibur]

I missed my 10 year anniversary.

31/03/09 - now.

I think it's safe to say they've taken off

Yup, you're now officially a sheep. :p:D:D:D:D