pubs going bust ...

[kjdiscos]

Within space of 2 weeks, 2 regular clients, Both pubs have shut up for the last time,


One in nottingham one in derby, Is this happening accross the board ?

[rob1963]

Within space of 2 weeks, 2 regular clients, Both pubs have shut up for the last time,

One in nottingham one in derby, Is this happening accross the board ?

I believe it is.

There was a recent news report about the big increase in the number of pubs closing.

I can't remember the exact number for the UK, but I think there is roughly one pub closing every single day.

[BeerFunk]

The question is, is it a good thing or a bad thing?

[Spirits High]

Very much so

I'm not far from you in Chesterfield and they're alot of pubs closing around this way.

Not the job to be in at the moment

[rob1963]

The question is, is it a good thing or a bad thing?

I guess that depends on your point of view.

In my opinion, it's a bad thing, partly because pubs are the social centres of many communities and partly because it just adds to the unemployment figures.

[A1DL]

The question is, is it a good thing or a bad thing?

If it's any like those featured on "Toughest Pubs in Britain" (Sky 3?) then I'd say it was a good thing!

[rob1963]

If it's any like those featured on "Toughest Pubs in Britain" (Sky 3?) then I'd say it was a good thing!

I happened to see that last night...and I agree that if any of the pubs closing are like the ones in that show, it's DEFINATELY a good thing!

I don't think most of them ARE like that, though.

[kjdiscos]

Personaly its very bad, When you have residencys and loose them, But you win some you loose some,

[kjdiscos]

Very much so

I'm not far from you in Chesterfield and they're alot of pubs closing around this way.

Not the job to be in at the moment

Indeed sir indeed, I have noticed a few have gone in alfreton lately to that area,

[Penfold42]

Pubs have always been shutting......blame supermarkets IMO.

[rob1963]

Pubs have always been shutting

True, but not at current levels.


blame supermarkets IMO.

Agreed, as well as the recent tax increases on booze.

[Silver]

One in town, Wimborne the Cricketers Arms is shutting 4th May

[Penfold42]

True, but not at current levels.

Agreed, as well as the recent tax increases on booze.

:agree:

Most of the ones around here turn into Indian Restaurants or Chinese.....:confused: ....very bizarre.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I'm just waiting for the 'It's the smoking ban that did it' brigade to roll up...

[Shaun]

If it's any like those featured on "Toughest Pubs in Britain" (Sky 3?) then I'd say it was a good thing!

I can vaguely recollect a call from Daz saying my 'local' was featured on that programme. :lol:

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I can vaguely recollect a call from Daz saying my 'local' was featured on that programme. :lol:

I didn't say it was your local, but it is in the same town as you.

If we every meet for a beer, we'll do it down here. :D

[Shaun]

I didn't say it was your local, but it is in the same town as you.



ANY pub in my town is my local. :D




If we every meet for a beer, we'll do it down here. :D


:lol:

[DeckstarDeluxe]

True, but not at current levels.



Agreed, as well as the recent tax increases on booze.

While i argee with you rob but the supermarkets are only providing people with what they want. I hear it all the time in my day job but the general public quite clearly want to drink at home rather than go to a local.

[Excalibur]

While i argee with you rob but the supermarkets are only providing people with what they want. I hear it all the time in my day job but the general public quite clearly want to drink at home rather than go to a local.

Oh no they don't. But when you factor in drink driving/taxi fares and price increases imposed by tax rises and pubcos, then you see why some of us get invited to the staff party at the off licence. ;) :D

[Dynamic Entertainment]

Lots closing. Even before the recession. I, and many landlords/club managers o know, blame the smoking ban :)

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I'm just waiting for the 'It's the smoking ban that did it' brigade to roll up...


There you go....



Lots closing. Even before the recession. I, and many landlords/club managers o know, blame the smoking ban :)

[Excalibur]

As much as I hate to fall in with Cassandra Darren's predictions, some folk may remember that JD Wetherspoon had intended to pre-empt the smoking ban, and steal a march on the competition.









Until they saw how takings plummeted, and deferred it as long as possible. ;)

[wensleydale]

Pubs have always been shutting......blame supermarkets IMO.

not just them, and even if it was them, can you really be blamed for running a business?


i think the pub companies have just as much to do with it if not more in that they have a reputation for being greedy and therefore average licencees cannot compete.
many of the big pub companies are owned by private equity companies (or where) so all they want to do is make a quick a profit as possible.

the other issue is that people dont go to pubs as much therefore the general public is also to blame, but seeing as no-one wants to blame themselves the supermarkets are an easier target.

[Penfold42]

i think the pub companies have just as much to do with it if not more in that they have a reputation for being greedy and therefore average licencees cannot compete.

Could not agree more...but that's a law of nature...."greed".
Sad to see a great british traddition going - if not gone - down the pan. :(

Eeee....when I were a lad you could get fish 'n' chips, 2 pints of mild 'n' bitter and bus back 'ome for 5 shilling.....they were grand ol' days.

[Excalibur]

Could not agree more...but that's a law of nature...."greed".
Sad to see a great british traddition going - if not gone - down the pan. :(

Eeee....when I were a lad you could get fish 'n' chips, 2 pints of mild 'n' bitter and bus back 'ome for 5 shilling.....they were grand ol' days.

Listen Son, when I started drinking, I just missed being able to buy a gallon of beer for a quid!!!!!:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: It was 13p a pint. :eek: Happy days. :D

[Digitalsounds]

One thing to remember in all of this is the following

1. Alot of pubs are leased/rented to the landlord and some of the larger pub companies force the lanlord to pay high rents and also force them to purchase all there stock through them this makes life even harder as there prices aint cheap for the landlord to then make a decent markup on.

2. People can't keep blaming the smoking ban it been nig on 2 years since it has been introduced. yes it has been the downfall of alot of trade to start with but people still need to socialise you can't tell me that people hae stayed in for 2 years even if you can get leathewr at home on the cheap you still need to go out and party once in a while.

[Shakermaker Promotions]

A couple of pubs in Basingstoke have closed and for a while, it looked like my main residency would go the same way but it's held out so far and things are looking up. We have a JD Wetherspoons here too and I think that they are one of the reasons other pubs are closing. They sell drinks at stupidly low prices and whereas before it was only at certain times, now it's all day. The other day I went into town early to go to the bank and I saw that they did an english breakfast pretty cheap. I was sat there at around 10.15am whilst all around me were the local ****heads guzzling away the cheap booze.

I would much rather stick with somewhere I know because (a) I keep supporting the smaller places and (b) I'm safer there.

[Dynamic Entertainment]

There you go....

:D - Has a hell of a lot to do with it though :)

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

:D - Has a hell of a lot to do with it though :)

And your proof please?

[Excalibur]

A couple of pubs in Basingstoke have closed and for a while, it looked like my main residency would go the same way but it's held out so far and things are looking up. We have a JD Wetherspoons here too and I think that they are one of the reasons other pubs are closing. They sell drinks at stupidly low prices and whereas before it was only at certain times, now it's all day. The other day I went into town early to go to the bank and I saw that they did an english breakfast pretty cheap. I was sat there at around 10.15am whilst all around me were the local ****heads guzzling away the cheap booze.

I would much rather stick with somewhere I know because (a) I keep supporting the smaller places and (b) I'm safer there.

Gary, JDW are an example of pile it high, sell it cheap. Fairly much the Walmart of the licensed trade. If they didn't sell Real Ale at silly prices, I'd hate 'em.

[BeerFunk]

I used to have 2 butchers and 2 fishmongers in my town just over a decade ago, aswell as many other independent traders - and then the likes of Asda and Tesco steamrolled them.

Times change, does there have to be someone to blame?

[Excalibur]

I used to have 2 butchers and 2 fishmongers in my town just over a decade ago, aswell as many other independent traders - and then the likes of Asda and Tesco steamrolled them.

Times change, does there have to be someone to blame?

Yeah, big business. ;) There's a butcher's in a town near us who have queues out the door on a regular basis. Reason?
Quality is the best, price is reasonable. ;)

[DJ INDIE]

pubs shut for a few reasons:-

1. the breweries/pub companies make it a fruitless task to bring money in. as they take whatever extra you make off you by putting rent up.

2.so many pubs are so, so poorly run. how many pubs actually try to put anything decent on entertainment wise to attract custom anymore?

[Candybeatdiscos]

I feel that people should campaign for booze to be sold in pubs only (apart from table wines etc), at least this way a pub is a controlled enviroment and we can reduce the amount of under age drinkers sitting in local parks, shop doorways etc disrupting people who are going to local takeaway etc.

Supermarkets sell super strength cider cheaper than water!!!!! And we wonder why we have neds running around!

[Dynamic Entertainment]

And your proof please?

Since July 2007, there have been 7 pubs in the workington area close. In ther 10 years prior to that, there was 1. 3 pubs/clubs i work in have all seen a downturn in profits (month for month) since 2007.

[Penfold42]

Supermarkets sell super strength cider cheaper than water!!!!! And we wonder why we have neds running around!

http://www.ship-of-fools.com/features/2001/NedNight/Pics/NedFlanders.gif

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Since July 2007, there have been 7 pubs in the workington area close. In ther 10 years prior to that, there was 1. 3 pubs/clubs i work in have all seen a downturn in profits (month for month) since 2007.

And your proof please?

[ppentertainments]

Well, I have just got back from the pub, only in just over an hour and there was me and one other in. This seems to be the norm. I really don't know how most of them can carry on trading. The main problem, I believe is a lack of atmosphere. Only a couple of years ago a Tuesday night was busy with domino's, cards etc. Maybe sound boring but filled a night in and regularly brought 30-40 people in. Nowadays most pubs can only make a profit selling food, your drinking pubs seem to be constantly empty.

[CRAZY K]

I feel that people should campaign for booze to be sold in pubs only (apart from table wines etc), at least this way a pub is a controlled enviroment and we can reduce the amount of under age drinkers sitting in local parks, shop doorways etc disrupting people who are going to local takeaway etc.

Supermarkets sell super strength cider cheaper than water!!!!! And we wonder why we have neds running around!

Strange you should think that.;)

Do you know that USED to be the case.

Only Pubs and Off licences would sell booze--anyone looking under 18 was not served and told to :Censored: off.

I blame the Government for not clamping down.

Trouble is now they have blown our money they cant afford to stop sales of booze---because it reduces tax take.

So they allow the drunks to carry on.

Real brain surgeons eh?

CRAZY K

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I feel that people should campaign for booze to be sold in pubs only (apart from table wines etc), at least this way a pub is a controlled enviroment and we can reduce the amount of under age drinkers sitting in local parks, shop doorways etc disrupting people who are going to local takeaway etc.


And how would we reduce the number of under aged drinkers by not selling in Supermarkets? You don't think that underage drinkers wouldn't buy in pubs or off licences? You don't think that they same checks aren't put in place in supermarkets?

I don't think you've really thought that one through really.

[DeckstarDeluxe]

Why is anyone to blame? Times change you have to roll with them or get left behind. Plenty of pubs still manage and lets face it you still can barely walk through a town centre without coming across a pub or bar every five yards.

[Pe7e]

Strange you should think that.;)

Only Pubs and Off licences would sell booze--anyone looking under 18 was not served and told to :Censored: off.


Trouble is now they have blown our money they cant afford to stop sales of booze---because it reduces tax take.

CRAZY K


I think you're wrong there, I could go into most pubs in town and get served when I was 16, and that was a very long time ago. I think the outlets are stricter now, and insist on photo IDs to prove age

The government gets more tax per pint from the pubs than the cost cutters, it's the brewerys who are pushing supermarket sales, it's much cheaper for them.

[BeerFunk]

The major supermarkets do not sell to under age drinkers either, people are buying it for them. All the big supermarkets are aware that if they lose their liquor licencefor a year, the profit loss for that year would be massive. If I remember rightly, any store caught 3 times within the year selling to under 18s would have their liquor licence revoked.

People are too quick to point the finger at the government, supermarkets or other authorities/companies, without assessing the situation reasonably.

[rob1963]

Supermarkets sell super strength cider cheaper than water!!!!!

Indeed.

A fair part of the problem for pubs is supermarkets selling their low cost, basics, economy or whatever else they call it lines of lager & cider at a loss.

How can pubs compete with that? especially in the middle of a recession when people are looking for bargains more than ever?

:shrug:

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Supermarkets have always sold booze cheaply, so how does that affect anything?

That's like saying you can buy food cheaper in a supermarket than it costs in restaurant...

[Dynamic Entertainment]

And your proof please?

What, the fact that since the month that the ban came in, profits have been down since the same month previous years? I work with forecasts in my daily job (not pubs, but stats are stats (and yes i know that they can be made to say whatever)), but the fact is that sales are down since the ban and that cant be argued.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

but the fact is that sales are down since the ban and that cant be argued.

Well it can. Sales aren't down everywhere and they aren't down just due to one factor. The economic state of this country may just have something to do with it....

Are you telling me that smokers who frequented pubs just stopped going because of the ban?

You cannot possibly blame the demise of the pub on one factor.

[rob1963]

Supermarkets have always sold booze cheaply, so how does that affect anything?

Because they've never sold it as cheaply as they are now. As time goes on, things are getting worse & worse, as they are selling it cheaper & cheaper.

If you Google "supermarkets cheap alcohol" and look at the number of results which are from 2008 or 2009, you'll understand what I mean.

This article is typical: http://www.camra.org.uk/page.aspx?o=gbg09pressrelease2 and includes figures for the decreasing prices in supermarkets compared to the rapidly INCREASING prices in pubs.

[Bouncy Dancefloor]

referring back to the OP

but you have had two residencies closing in the same week. I know it sounds cheeky, but maybe they were spending too much on entertainment or perhaps the entertainment wasnt up to scratch or it wasnt suitable?

[wensleydale]

Since July 2007, there have been 7 pubs in the workington area close. In ther 10 years prior to that, there was 1. 3 pubs/clubs i work in have all seen a downturn in profits (month for month) since 2007.

not sure what you think is the reason here, but no one seems to have mentioned the recession which probably has a large part in it.

[wensleydale]

Indeed.

A fair part of the problem for pubs is supermarkets selling their low cost, basics, economy or whatever else they call it lines of lager & cider at a loss.

How can pubs compete with that? especially in the middle of a recession when people are looking for bargains more than ever?

:shrug:

they could sell low cost, basics, econmy or whatever they call it lager and cider.

but very few people would buy it.
in the same way that very few people (as a % of total sales) buy it from supermarkets.
it's just another reason that the daily mail uses to say this country is going downhill.

[Silver]

The pub I said is closing down has been affected without any shadow of a doubt by the smoking ban. The pub changed hands in February 2007 and the chap who sold it is a very good friend of mine.

His takings, pretty much straight away dipped by about 25% when the smoking ban was introduced. They were his words to me not hear say, rumour or tittle tattle. The situation was exacerbated by the '24 hour' opening laws. People started coming out later as they knew they could drink in pubs until one or two o'clock around here, instead of midnight. People would stay at home drinking, as it was cheaper, they'd come out half cut or worse and didn't buy much over the bar, so his takings dipped again. These factors forced him to sell, he's now a postman and retained fireman.

The chap who bought the pub has not been able to turn the situation around, the pub is up for lease but to date nobody has shown any interest, doesn't look good.

Also the Conservative club closed for good on the 28th March, again according to a committee member their takings had been hit by the smoking ban.

For what it's worth I'm a non smoker, never have, never will. I was glad the ban came in, I can now come home leave my clothes in the bedroom and we don't wake up to a disgusting stench in the morning any more.

[Excalibur]

Not read it yet, but it seems germane to the argument.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/feb/27/pubs-closing-beer-group

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

not sure what you think is the reason here, but no one seems to have mentioned the recession which probably has a large part in it.

Ahem!


The economic state of this country may just have something to do with it....

[Dynamic Entertainment]

Well it can. Sales aren't down everywhere and they aren't down just due to one factor. The economic state of this country may just have something to do with it....

Are you telling me that smokers who frequented pubs just stopped going because of the ban?

You cannot possibly blame the demise of the pub on one factor.

No, im not blaming it on that alone. Hence why i said, it had a p-art to play. In July 2007 the recession wasnt even considered by joe public but taking s dropped across the board bround here. We have a set-up called night-safe where all the landlords get together with the police and promote safe drinking so there isnt the same competition between pubs/clubs round here as there is in other areas, and the general consensus round the table is that the ban has affected trade in an adverse way.

I know plenty of people through the day who i used to see in the pubs at night that i dont see out (especially in the winter months) who have folk round and dont go out because they dont want to stand in the rain for a fag.

Its not too bad in summer, but remember up in the north we can have up to 10 degrees difference to the south, our summers are so much colder than you londoners :D, and its not nice being outside most of the time.

[rob1963]

The bottom line is that there are a number of reasons for the high number of pubs closing recently.

These include (to varying degrees) supermarkets selling booze cheaper than ever before, the duty increase, the recession and yes, the smoking ban.

[Jonathan Ford]

In my experience (my wife and I had a pub tenancy for a year), most tenanted or leased pubs are struggling. Quite simply, the pub operating companies don't really give a toss how successful/profitable their tenants are. Sure, they'd like the business to do well, but to them it's desirable rather than essential, as they know there will be another mug along if the business fails.

Because we were relatively successful, the pub company increased our rent by 15% and increased the cost price of our beer by 33% in the first year. It got to the point that we couldn't charge enough for the beer to make money out of it, even though our sales were up 113% on the year before.

When we put our notice in, I had a chartered surveyor provide expert opinion as to the fair market rent for the commercial property, and his reported stated that it was around £3,500 less than we were paying. I later gave a submission to the parliamentary inquiry of the pub company/tenant relationship, as I felt so royally shafted by the deal. I couldn't have been better prepared, had a tighter business plan, we weren't frivolous with our money...we were just a cash cow to be milked by the pubco.

Subsequently, the did this to the next two couples in the pub. The couple that are in there now have a great deal, suffice to say if I'd had the same deal I'd still be there, and lighting cigarettes with £20 notes!

I still live in the same town, and the majority of tenanted/leased pubs are open, but on the market at the minute.

[Twinspin]

Some pubs in Hull have closed down as well due to the lack of trade. But there are more than enough pubs in Hull to go drinking in without a doubt.

on a pub guide of all the pubs in Hull and not surrounding areas there is 253 pubs across, North,East,West Hull. There was originally 262 pubs here so 9 have closed down up to bow.

One of the pubs i do on some friday nights and bank holiday sundays (Sutton Fields Tavern) always does really well on trade its a very busy pub and rivals another pub across the Road Called The Bridges. I spoke to my mate another dj who was speaking to landlord of bridges and he was telling my mate how his trade is going down Hill because most people seem to be going in Sutton Fields than bridges and the landlord of bridges is starting on the landlord of Sutton Fields who isnt doing nothing wrong. The landlord just needs to face facts that its a lot more popular than Bridges. But bridges does get a fair bit of trade as well.

[Corabar Steve]

I'm just waiting for the 'It's the smoking ban that did it' brigade to roll up...
Pun intended?

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Pun intended?

No, actually! :D

[Corabar Steve]

Shame, it was one worthy of the Sun :sj:

[zantedj]

The pub closing down problem is not just confined to the UK. On the island that I live on, several bars are not re-opening for the summer season this year. This means less work for the dj's and kj's. As we earn the bulk of our yearly income in the summer, it could well be a lean time for us as well.
The downturn is due mainly to people not holidaying abroad due to poor pound against the euro. Also we have the smoking ban coming in in June :( , although I think it will be largely ignored by the locals !

[Penfold42]

Have to sit out in the sunshine then.....what a shame.....;) :D :D :D :D

Not good to hear :( ....good for "Pikeyville" I must say.

[Candybeatdiscos]

And how would we reduce the number of under aged drinkers by not selling in Supermarkets? You don't think that underage drinkers wouldn't buy in pubs or off licences? You don't think that they same checks aren't put in place in supermarkets?

I don't think you've really thought that one through really.

most under age drinkers get someone to buy thier booze for them, they then sit in parks etc and get sozzled, now what i would say is sell it in pubs only (not even off license) anyone here who has tried to buy a bottle out of a pub will know that most young ones wouldn't be able to afford it unless they rob three grannies....

of course your going to get the odd ones managing to get served in the pub etc, having worked behind the bar just last year its very hard to second guess someones age and plus the amount of fake id doing the rounds makes it harder.

[James]

it might seem like a stupid question but has anyone on the forum ever asked themselves why they don't go to pubs anymore?

My answer is the clientele in a lot of pubs have changed, half the time, they're just falling about all over the place, causing trouble etc.

I'm very choosy about the pubs i go to, Liverpool's a big city and i can count on two hands the number of pubs in the city center i'll go to.

[Corabar Steve]

Depends a lot on the pub.

The sort of pub you mention are the ones closing down round here (thankfully).

The 2 busiest pubs in the area (both of which I frequent, one of which I DJ in) don't allow that sort of behaviour.

It might also be noted that neither of them have music policies that include R&B, Garage, House, Hip-Hop or any type of dance.

You can hardly move in either pub Thursday - Sunday nights so they must be doing something right. I would say it also has to be noted that both have sheltered (heated) smoking areas one of which is in a courtyard with walls on all 4 sides with just enough of a gap around the edges to not be inside, the other with awnings & a huge umbrella that can cover most of the garden / patio area.

One has actually reported 20 -25% increase in sales over the same period last year.

Looks like not catering to chavs while at the same time catering to the smokers is a winning combination.

[Excalibur]

it might seem like a stupid question but has anyone on the forum ever asked themselves why they don't go to pubs anymore?

My answer is the clientele in a lot of pubs have changed, half the time, they're just falling about all over the place, causing trouble etc.

I'm very choosy about the pubs i go to, Liverpool's a big city and i can count on two hands the number of pubs in the city center i'll go to.

Because in my case the cost of the taxi fare to get there legally, rather than drink driving, would equate to my expenditure on drink! :eek: If I buy it in the offie, for the same amount of money I can often get three nights drink. ;)
Do the maths, as they say. :D

[James]

Depends a lot on the pub.

It might also be noted that neither of them have music policies that include R&B, Garage, House, Hip-Hop or any type of dance.

that's pretty much what Liverpool city center is full of now,

there is the odd exception obviously, but the problem is i think, most of the good gaffe's are located in the same street or in the same vicinity as the rough places, you wouldn't want to walk through there at 2am on a weekend, it's like a scene from booze britain, but i suppose it's the same everywhere?

Anyway, thats just my 2 cents on why i personaly don't go to pubs anymore, well tell a lie, i do, but it'll be in the afternoon and i'll usually be home by 10pm at the latest before the creatures of the night surface

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

now what i would say is sell it in pubs only (not even off license)

Sorry, but bollox!

I don't want to have to go to a pub and pay over inflated prices for a drink everytime. I would much rather have friends and family over and have a drink at home.

That is possibly the most stupid suggestion I've ever heard.

[rob1963]

Because in my case the cost of the taxi fare to get there legally, rather than drink driving, would equate to my expenditure on drink! :eek: If I buy it in the offie, for the same amount of money I can often get three nights drink. ;)
Do the maths, as they say. :D

Indeed.

The following figures are from an article I linked to earlier in this thread:

"Since 2002 Off-trade beer prices have fallen by 7% while pub prices have increased by 24%."

Those are industry statistics.

Bearing that in mind, you don't have to be Stephen Fry to understand one of the main reasons why less people are going to pubs!

[Babybob]

Sorry, but bollox!

I don't want to have to go to a pub and pay over inflated prices for a drink everytime. I would much rather have friends and family over and have a drink at home.

That is possibly the most stupid suggestion I've ever heard.

Well Darren has pretty much answered the question as to one of the reasons why the pubs are closing. :beer1:

[Dynamic Entertainment]

Pubs are closing in Reading? If so........................blame Darren :D :D :D

He's right though, the cost of going to the pub, coupled with other factors such as the smoking ban, and people are drinking at home with friends.

[DJ INDIE]

It might also be noted that neither of them have music policies that include R&B, Garage, House, Hip-Hop or any type of dance.




I completely agree.

To get this back to a music level - Hard dance music and hip hop etc do seem to inflame the idiot factor of a lot of people.

[DeckstarDeluxe]

idiots will act as such regardless of music being played

[yourdj]

Will add to commercialization of chains who have the capital to invest and buy them all up. the local pub will be chain run in the future, which could be argued as a good thing for us as they have sense and know (aand have the budget) to invest in quality entertainment and not knock off nigels.

[Javlingames]

It seems the industry blame the smoking ban?

http://www.forestonline.org/output/Economic-Impact.aspx

[yourdj]

Hopefully we will see some more club type venues instead of the traditional pubs who seem to be moving more to food, accomodation and functions.

It could end up like spanish venues who do all manner of things.

so all could be good for dj's in a few years time.

[PropellerHeadCase]

pubs shut for a few reasons:-

1. the breweries/pub companies make it a fruitless task to bring money in. as they take whatever extra you make off you by putting rent up.

2.so many pubs are so, so poorly run. how many pubs actually try to put anything decent on entertainment wise to attract custom anymore?

Exactly my wife has just started working for a consortium of four guys - they own 22 pubs between Bristol and London (with a few in the Midlands), and they are looking at expanding overseas!




Well it can. Sales aren't down everywhere and they aren't down just due to one factor. The economic state of this country may just have something to do with it....

Are you telling me that smokers who frequented pubs just stopped going because of the ban?

You cannot possibly blame the demise of the pub on one factor.

Given that smokers only make up around 25% of the entire population and, realistically, only slightly more than that of the pub-frequenting public, and given the number of non-smokers that avoided pubs BECAUSE of smoke, I'd say it's not the smoking ban so much as publicans' failure to appropriately cater for smokers under the new law that caused the problem.

[Excalibur]

:agree:

Most of the ones around here turn into Indian Restaurants or Chinese.....:confused: ....very bizarre.

I've just come through the nearest small town to me, and the most recent two pubs to close have become............................................ ..


Thai restaurants. :confused:

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I've just come through the nearest small town to me, and the most recent two pubs to close have become............................................ ..


Thai restaurants. :confused:

In Yorkshire? :eek:

Does this 'lady' work there? :D

[Excalibur]

In Yorkshire? :eek:

Does this 'lady' work there? :D

Remind me to show you Newport, Yorkshire. A big village with more ethnic food outlets than many towns! :eek: ;) ;)

As to the person in the picture you posted, I must confess to being totally ignorant of His/her/its attributes, failings, or claim to fame. :o :o :o

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

...and so both comments were wasted then.

Ever watch Little Britain or Catherine Tate?

Warning - slight adult theme here. ;)

[Excalibur]

...and so both comments were wasted then.


Warning - slight adult theme here. ;)

Ah. Denarius cecidit. ;) ;)
Darren, your comments are rarely wasted. I do not watch the first one, but I know full well of what you speak. :D :D :D :D

I've seen the second one, and didn't know whether to wet myself laughing, or cry tears of sadness at the savage and accurate picture it painted of certain aspects of life today. :confused: :confused:

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I've seen the second one, and didn't know whether to wet myself laughing, or cry tears of sadness at the savage and accurate picture it painted of certain aspects of life today. :confused: :confused:

And is the accent an accurate one?

I have on a few occasions imagined you sat there with Catherine...:D

[Excalibur]

And is the accent an accurate one?

I have on a few occasions imagined you sat there with Catherine...:D

Cheeky git! :p As to accent, I've not listened to the clip again, but even in Yorkshire, there's a world of difference between the accents in the three Ridings. And then there's Hull. :eek: Ask someone from there what time it is at 8.55, and the answer has no "i"'s in it.

[PropellerHeadCase]

Ask someone from there what time it is at 8.55, and the answer has no "i"'s in it.

A well-educated, religious lot then? It takes true dedications to say 'A twelfth of the hour unto Lauds' ;)

[Excalibur]

A well-educated, religious lot then? It takes true dedications to say 'A twelfth of the hour unto Lauds' ;)

Fahve to nahne. ;)

[Corabar Steve]

Fahve to nahne. ;)
That just sounds like they're inebriated

[PropellerHeadCase]

Fahve to nahne. ;)

Oh, come on, that was funny.

[Excalibur]

That just sounds like they're inebriated
Steve, you can tell a Codhead as soon as they try to pronounce an "i", and come with an "aaaaaaaaa". ;) :D


Oh, come on, that was funny.

Your witty remark, or my reply? :confused: :confused:

[PropellerHeadCase]

The former, naturally ;)