Answers to non constructive Critisism

[DJMaxG]

I have noticed over the past month or so, a lot of posts making unnecessary remarks and comments out of the blue etc.

I have decided to answer your queries and questions.

The Reason why I do not conduct regular Mobile Functions is mainly because I don't have a full rig, the budget is steep, no transport or storage for equipment.

I could turn up to local functions carrying a T Bar under one arm, portable PA System, lights and an Ipod. However, I'm not going to, this is completely unprofessional practice.

I would rather wait a while, and do it properly, and become reputable.

If anyone has any further questions or info, leave a reply.

[Corabar Steve]

So you do actually intend becoming a mobile DJ eventually then Max?

If this is the case, keep reading the forum, as it is evident that you still have a lot to learn.

[Vectis]

If this is the case, keep reading the forum, as it is evident that you still have a lot to learn.

:agree:

There's a helluva lot to be learned here - even for old-timers like me. Read it, digest it, use it in your decision-making processes.

But please stop posting advice of which you have no direct field-based experience? Pretty please? Some of your replies have been outright wrong and in some cases dangerous - and any new member who's unaware of your lack of experience might read your advice and blindly take it on board.

Do this and you'll find it a much more welcoming place ;)

[Corabar Steve]

:agree:

There's a helluva lot to be learned here - even for old-timers like me. Read it, digest it, use it in your decision-making processes.
Oh yes, indeed. I don't think you can ever really stop learning in an industry such as this one. (although some have more to learn than others)

But please stop posting advice of which you have no direct field-based experience? Pretty please? Some of your replies have been outright wrong and in some cases dangerous - and any new member who's unaware of your lack of experience might read your advice and blindly take it on board.

I've asked this until I'm blue in the face (metaphorically speaking), I think it's time to make it an official instruction from admin.

Max, please only post advice on things that you actually know (no guesswork involved on your part) to be 100% factual.

[DJMaxG]

So you do actually intend becoming a mobile DJ eventually then Max?
Yes, Club and Mobile.

My Main area would be 16ths, 18ths, 21st's etc. Maybe Weddings.


:agree:

There's a helluva lot to be learned here - even for old-timers like me. Read it, digest it, use it in your decision-making processes.

I Totally Agree, I know certain things that those that have been doing it years don't, and vice versa.


Oh yes, indeed. I don't think you can ever really stop learning in an industry such as this one. (although some have more to learn than others)

That's Right, there is a lot of decision making involved, and I can't always decide what to buy.



Max, please only post advice on things that you actually know (no guesswork involved on your part) to be 100% factual.

I Always make is clear and say 'This is what I would do', I never tell people to just go and do it. I don't call myself a lighting or sound engineer either.

I Started this post because I felt non Mobile related DJs were being looked down on. Just because you don't travel around, doesn't mean you can't mix etc.

I'm sure you both had decks at home at some point in your life.
It has to start from somewhere.

[djsteve10]

Max,

Just take a back seat on the forum and just read what the other members have to say and just take it all in. There are no prizes on here for the people who know the most knowledge so posting in every post with your guessing advice is pointless.

[Shakermaker Promotions]

I Totally Agree, I know certain things that those that have been doing it years don't, and vice versa.

Could you please elaborate on that mate?
I don't claim to know absolutely everything and that's why I am on this forum (to learn), but I am intrigued to know what someone who hasn't been doing it for years knows that I am missing out on?

Forums are all about opinions so everyone is entitled to one to some extent :eek: BUT...the proof is in the pudding as they say and it would be good if people giving out advice, who don't actually do this job on a daily, weekly basis actually got up and did something about it.

Can you imagine (for example) if Joe Bloggs went up to Alex Ferguson in true Harry Enfield stylee and said "Here mate, you don't wanna be doing it like that, you wanna be doing it like this.....I have no experience in managing football teams, let alone a top premiership side but I do watch it on TV every week"... It wouldn't happen would it!

I will listen to constructive criticism good and bad and I will take advice too but in general it's from people that, like me, do the job week in, week out.

[Pe7e]

I know certain things that those that have been doing it years don't, and vice versa.



A bedroom DJ making comments like that, on a forum with seasoned professional DJs, many of who have been in the industry longer that you have been on earth, won't win you many friends.

[DJWilson]

I Started this post because I felt non Mobile related DJs were being looked down on. Just because you don't travel around, doesn't mean you can't mix etc.




I feel this is not true, club DJs who join the forum are given a warm welcome and tell people about there experiences which may get Mobile DJs interested in there line of DJin' vice versa.

I cant say I have seen any post saying when your a club DJ you cant mix:confused:

[Shakermaker Promotions]

It's total rubbish! I know guys that DJ in their bedrooms that are far superior to me when it comes to mixing etc but they would not even think of going on to a forum full of people that do the job full time and tell them how to do their jobs.

[DJWilson]

It's total rubbish! I know guys that DJ in their bedrooms that are far superior to me when it comes to mixing etc but they would not even think of going on to a forum full of people that do the job full time and tell them how to do their jobs.


I think youve got the wrong end of the stick there mate, what I was esaying was how they work in there line DJin' not telling other types of DJs (mobile for example) how they should do it as it is a completely different way of working.

[DJMaxG]

I Totally Agree, I know certain things that those that have been doing it years don't, and vice versa.

Could you please elaborate on that mate?
I don't claim to know absolutely everything and that's why I am on this forum (to learn), but I am intrigued to know what someone who hasn't been doing it for years knows that I am missing out on?

DJs will often Specialist in certain areas, the typical wedding DJ, age 50, who can provide a formal service and has strong experience with running weddings, wouldn't turn up at an 18th and rock the place, and vice versa.

This is not always the case, but people have strong areas. My level of mixing, and favourite genres of music would be more welcome at an 18th, than a formal traditional wedding.

Some stick to CDs, and some use MIDI controllers etc.


I feel this is not true, club DJs who join the forum are given a warm welcome and tell people about there experiences which may get Mobile DJs interested in there line of DJin' vice versa.

It depends on the person, some club DJs may think they're the best and don't care about Mobilers.


A bedroom DJ making comments like that, on a forum with seasoned professional DJs, many of who have been in the industry longer that you have been on earth, won't win you many friends.

I Prefer not to use the phrase 'Bedroom'. Obviously, the term refers to anyone doing it at home, but I don't use the bedroom for it, and I don't use Vinyl turntables, I use CD's, which are more or less up to date. (also have VDJ Installed on the laptop)


A bedroom DJ making comments like that...
That is a wrong thing to say, everyone has their right of opinion.

I could say 'You can't comment on your car because you're not a Mechanic'.

[DJMaxG]

It's total rubbish! I know guys that DJ in their bedrooms that are far superior to me when it comes to mixing etc but they would not even think of going on to a forum full of people that do the job full time and tell them how to do their jobs.

I don't tell people how to do their Jobs atall.

I can mix, I have gear, I know about music, I can set up a rig.

It's not as if you're a builder and I'm a Solicitor

[CRAZY K]

I think youve got the wrong end of the stick there mate, what I was esaying was how they work in there line DJin' not telling other types of DJs (mobile for example) how they should do it as it is a completely different way of working.

I seem to remember Boogie Boy on here--interesting ideas as a Club DJ but lttle experience or use or value to the Mobile Entertainers market.

There was constant conflict and then a ban:eek:

Thats how I see it---its pointless coming on here trying to discuss much except mainly Mobile Work as the Association we belong to has a clue in the name.;)

CRAZY K

[Charlie Brown]

The intention of this thread was for Max to tell us what he firmly believes and wants us to hear. Max doesn't work as a "Mobile DJ" as yet but as we all know he wants to in the near future. Although Max does post some comments that aren't technically speaking "correct" we shouldn't demoralize everything the guy has to say. He is part of this forum and just like everyone else is entitled to his own opinion, even if we don't all agree.

Max, for the time being I think you should continue to use the forum but try not be so "stubborn" or "big headed" as this will only create enemies for yourself. Everyone still has a lot to learn but as you haven't actually done one mobile disco yet, I find it very obscure for you to say:


I Totally Agree, I know certain things that those that have been doing it years don't, and vice versa.

In fact to be quite frank that is a ridiculous thing to say. Stay on the forum, gain the advice and knowledge you need to become a mobile disc jokey and please share your experiences of the club scene etc, but there is a line, and you often cross it. Only post and share information if you are 100% certain it is correct.

Anyone fancy a :beer1: ?

[DJWilson]

Anyone fancy a :beer1: ?


Make it two :D


Nice mod work going on there Charlie ;)

[Charlie Brown]

Oh I love it! Makes me feel incredibly important. ;) :p :p :p

:sofa:

[rob1963]

The intention of this thread was for Max to tell us what he firmly believes and wants us to hear. Max doesn't work as a "Mobile DJ" as yet but as we all know he wants to in the near future. Although Max does post some comments that aren't technically speaking "correct" we shouldn't demoralize everything the guy has to say. He is part of this forum and just like everyone else is entitled to his own opinion, even if we don't all agree.

Agreed...and well said Charlie.

Despite the fact that some of his posts contain inaccurate information, my own view is that Max hasn't been treated particularly reasonably by certain people here.

[PropellerHeadCase]

I Always make is clear and say 'This is what I would do', I never tell people to just go and do it. I don't call myself a lighting or sound engineer either.

But saying 'This is what I would do...' makes it sound like you are speaking from a position of experience when read by someone who doesn't know you and doesn't know the "correct" answer to the question. Hence the complaints about your posting your opinions - if you actually said, 'I don't have a clue as I've never done it, but I would think...' you might not get such a rough reaction.



Although Max does post some comments that aren't technically speaking "correct" we shouldn't demoralize everything the guy has to say. He is part of this forum and just like everyone else is entitled to his own opinion, even if we don't all agree.

Not sure what you meant to say there, Charlie, but I'm sure that 'demoralize' isn't it... 'trivialize' maybe?

[Charlie Brown]

Not sure what you meant to say there, Charlie, but I'm sure that 'demoralize' isn't it... 'trivialize' maybe?

Some people do "demoralize" Max. Nearly everything he says is knocked down or immediately disagreed with. Maybe we could treat him with a bit of respect...I dunno, everyone is different, just how I personally feel :)

[rob1963]

Some people do "demoralize" Max. Nearly everything he says is knocked down or immediately disagreed with. Maybe we could treat him with a bit of respect...I dunno, everyone is different, just how I personally feel :)

Charlie...you have such a wise head on young shoulders.

:)

[Larry B Entertainment]

I could turn up to local functions carrying a T Bar under one arm, portable PA System, lights and an Ipod. However, I'm not going to, this is completely unprofessional practice.



Maybe it would at least be a start if all you did was house parties and small gigs for now and build up the rig as you go along.

[Excalibur]

So you do actually intend becoming a mobile DJ eventually then Max?

If this is the case, keep reading the forum, as it is evident that you still have a lot to learn.


:agree:

There's a helluva lot to be learned here - even for old-timers like me. Read it, digest it, use it in your decision-making processes.

But please stop posting advice of which you have no direct field-based experience? Pretty please? Some of your replies have been outright wrong and in some cases dangerous - and any new member who's unaware of your lack of experience might read your advice and blindly take it on board.

Do this and you'll find it a much more welcoming place ;)
We all have a lot to learn. ;) :D :D


DJs will often Specialist in certain areas, the typical wedding DJ, age 50, who can provide a formal service and has strong experience with running weddings, wouldn't turn up at an 18th and rock the place, and vice versa.
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That does it. :mad: :mad: Choose your weapons. :D :D :D :D :D :D


Agreed...and well said Charlie.

Despite the fact that some of his posts contain inaccurate information, my own view is that Max hasn't been treated particularly reasonably by certain people here.

And I think that despite repeated warnings, Max has continued with exactly the behaviour which got him censured in the first place. I have seen no unfair traetment. Just my opinion.

[andyw]

DJs will often Specialist in certain areas, the typical wedding DJ, age 50, who can provide a formal service and has strong experience with running weddings, wouldn't turn up at an 18th and rock the place, and vice versa.





It depends on the person, some club DJs may think they're the best and don't care about Mobilers.

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this is the job of the average mobile dj imo,one week a wedding the next an 18th birthday followed by a 60th anniversary, got tobe able to cater for most genres and al age groups. yes some specialise but a lot don't


Oh I love it! Makes me feel incredibly important. ;) :p :p :p

:sofa:

i know you meant that in jest charlie but you have earned your position on this forum,and you are respected for the way you conduct yourself.max learn from the way this young man post's


Some people do "demoralize" Max. Nearly everything he says is knocked down or immediately disagreed with. Maybe we could treat him with a bit of respect...I dunno, everyone is different, just how I personally feel :)


sorry charlie respect is a thing you earn. max take a step back, look at all the replies to this thread,that is what everyone is saying,we will value your opinion and listen to you when you listen and post sensibly on subjects you know about and stop telling seasoned professionals how they should be doing things, when you have no expirience of what you are saying,i would say a fresh stat is in order but honestly max i feel that is totally up to you mate:)

[Excalibur]

this is the job of the average mobile dj imo,one week a wedding the next an 18th birthday followed by a 60th anniversary, got tobe able to cater for most genres and al age groups. yes some specialise but a lot don't

sorry charlie respect is a thing you earn. max take a step back, look at all the replies to this thread,that is what everyone is saying,we will value your opinion and listen to you when you listen and post sensibly on subjects you know about and stop telling seasoned professionals how they should be doing things, when you have no expirience of what you are saying,i would say a fresh stat is in order but honestly max i feel that is totally up to you mate:)

Amen to all of the above.

[Shakermaker Promotions]

I'm 41. I have been DJing for well over half my life now but as a business I am now in my 5th year. As mentioned above (and I relate to it totally), every week is different for me. One week I may be DJing at an Indie/Alternative night. Another week it may be a wedding, an 18th or 21st, a 40th or 50th...In August I have a party for a 90th birthday.

To say that a guy in his 50's is more suited to a wedding (as an example) and would'nt 'rock' an 18th is a tad out of order in my view. I can see where you are coming from but it's all down to image and how people see that person (the DJ). The thing is...Mr 50 something DJ is a professional and takes his job seriously so he keeps up to date with the charts and what's happening all the time etc etc so why shouldn't he be able to 'rock' an 18th or 21st? I'll tell you why...and this is a comment that I received from someone who enquired about an 18th that I ended up doing last year. The girl calling said that she had called a couple of other companies and the guys she spoke to were old enough to be her grandad! Now, there's nothing wrong with that and I explained to her that I was 40 myself...she said "You don't sound it" (made me laugh), and when I went to see her she said I didn't look it either but that's not the point and it's not what I am getting at. People seem to think that someone that little bit older may not be up with what is out there at the time because they go on image....it's rubbish. It doesn't affect me at all (yet) but I still think it's wrong. The same as the image people may get if a very young looking 18 year old turns up to do a wedding....

Whether you are 18 and have been doing the job 5 minutes or you are in your 50's and have been doing the job 30 years...if you take the job seriously and keep up to date with what's happening or keep updating your collection to cover everything...well, you should be able to do a variety of functions. It may be hard to stop the perceptions of some people out there but that's life and a different subject.

[BeerFunk]

Perceptions aren't purely based on stereotypes and ageism - there are a large number of 'middle aged' mobile DJs out there who quite simply aren't in tune with current/dance/R'n'B music, and as such fall short DJing at 18ths/21sts. I am basing this on the 20-30 party functions of this age group that I have attended as a guest over the last 8 years.

Although I personally have been a little more forgiving, and appreciative of the music, setup and technical skills of some of these DJs - youngsters are very unforgiving, and very critical if a DJ fails to cater for their musical tastes.

As I said, the kids attending these parties always remember if the DJ didn't hit the mark, and associate an older DJ as being 'out of touch'.

If it was purely ageism, these same youngsters wouldn't flock in their droves and pay £40-50 a head to see the likes of Tiesto (40), Mauro Picotto (42) and Paul Oakenfold (45) play.

[Dynamic Entertainment]

DJs will often Specialist in certain areas, the typical wedding DJ, age 50, who can provide a formal service and has strong experience with running weddings, wouldn't turn up at an 18th and rock the place, and vice versa.

This is not always the case, but people have strong areas. My level of mixing, and favourite genres of music would be more welcome at an 18th, than a formal traditional wedding.

Im glad that you included the highlighted area!

I am a mobile dj, and a club dj in the same hat! How.....i have a network of other club djs that i can put in the club as and when needed. I wouldnt pass them mobile work because they cant/dont want it and im fine with that. From May to October, im lucky if i get one Saturday a month in the club because im out doing weddings. A few of those this year are bookings made of customers to the club.

Just to stick a spanner in the works, are you planning on being a club dj, or a dance dj?

The two are very different IMO. A club dj still has to have a good knowledge of all music and be able to play different genres. My basis for the argument, me!

Thursdays are Cheese/Party night, where you need to be very good on a microphone, and still be able to mix tracks such as Time Warp, YMCA, 5,6,7,8, Nightfever etc.

Fridays are RnB, again, im expected to mix perfectly, and give it a bit of gob, but not alot.

Saturdays are Dance, and by dance i mean everything starting with house/electro and working up to hard house! Mic work is limited to happy birthdays etc etc.

That, imo is the difference between a club dj and a dance dj, so you see, a mobile dj isnt much different from a club jock!

[Corabar Steve]

I Always make is clear and say 'This is what I would do', I never tell people to just go and do it. I don't call myself a lighting or sound engineer either.But the inference is there isn't it?

"What I would do" makes it sound like you have the experience.

I'm sure you both had decks at home at some point in your life.No


Maybe we could treat him with a bit of respect...
As mentioned earlier by our learned antipodean colleague, respect is earned, not given without question.

[DeckstarDeluxe]

Im sorry but Max is clearly on here to rub people up the wrong way. Threads he has commented on end up being an exchange between himself and Darren or an admin and does this site no good. I belive if you were someone looking to get into djing then you'd respect and listen to people who have done it rather than post advice that has more holes in it than a lump of cheese.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Agreed...and well said Charlie.

Despite the fact that some of his posts contain inaccurate information, my own view is that Max hasn't been treated particularly reasonably by certain people here.

If that is aimed at me, then you have no idea what you are talking about Rob.

You don't know what it is like to moderate a forum and to edit and moderate someone who has very little idea what they are talking about and causes problems with other members by posting so much rubbish.

[Larry B Entertainment]

I have been known to pull Max up on his technical knowledge before as have a few people but I don't think he has been treated any differently to anyone else and I don't think its anything personal.

I didn't get off on a very good start on here either so I know what its like to get peoples backs up. He has just got to learn to fit in and ease off the "Do it like this because I know best" posts
:grouphug:

[Shakermaker Promotions]

There always seems to be someone in whatever walk of life that likes to THINK that they know better. I wouldn't have a problem with that if the person doing it had a vast amount of experience, had done every type of function out there and the 'advice' was worthy but in some cases it's not and it's not worth listening to.

[sleah]

On the age thing..... empathy is the key.

I'm 40 and can handle a teenage party (just:p) as well as I can do a 60th or a Wedding.

The stereotypes come from where a young DJ doesn't 'understand' and doesn't communicate especially well (on a social level rather than business) with older generations.
Exactly the same visa-versa.

I have some close friends who are under 16 and several over 40 so obviously can empathise with both age groups, and even some in between;)

It's quite a hard thing to explain, think of it as 'winning' people over.

You turn up at a gig and you can spot the 'this is gonna be bad' type looks because you're much older or younger....... you hit them with a top performance and attitude/approach.... by the end it's 'well cool' to be your mate:D:D

[Excalibur]

I'm 41. I have been DJing for well over half my life now but as a business I am now in my 5th year. As mentioned above (and I relate to it totally), every week is different for me. One week I may be DJing at an Indie/Alternative night. Another week it may be a wedding, an 18th or 21st, a 40th or 50th...In August I have a party for a 90th birthday..
Variety is the spice of life. ;) :D



To say that a guy in his 50's is more suited to a wedding (as an example) and would'nt 'rock' an 18th is a tad out of order in my view. I can see where you are coming from but it's all down to image and how people see that person (the DJ). The thing is...Mr 50 something DJ is a professional and takes his job seriously so he keeps up to date with the charts and what's happening all the time etc etc so why shouldn't he be able to 'rock' an 18th or 21st? I'll tell you why...and this is a comment that I received from someone who enquired about an 18th that I ended up doing last year. .
And in mine. I like 18th's. Makes me feel like a "Real" DJ, as opposed to an "Entertainer" . :sofa:



The girl calling said that she had called a couple of other companies and the guys she spoke to were old enough to be her grandad! Now, there's nothing wrong with that and I explained to her that I was 40 myself...she said "You don't sound it" (made me laugh), and when I went to see her she said I didn't look it either but that's not the point and it's not what I am getting at. People seem to think that someone that little bit older may not be up with what is out there at the time because they go on image....it's rubbish. It doesn't affect me at all (yet) but I still think it's wrong. The same as the image people may get if a very young looking 18 year old turns up to do a wedding.....
That's ageist. :eek: I bet there's a law against it somewhere. ;) And I've seen your piccies, you don't look that young. :p :p :D :D



Whether you are 18 and have been doing the job 5 minutes or you are in your 50's and have been doing the job 30 years...if you take the job seriously and keep up to date with what's happening or keep updating your collection to cover everything...well, you should be able to do a variety of functions. It may be hard to stop the perceptions of some people out there but that's life and a different subject.
Aha, the whole of the subject in twp sentences, and totally and utterly correct. Well said that man. :approve: :approve:


Perceptions aren't purely based on stereotypes and ageism - there are a large number of 'middle aged' mobile DJs out there who quite simply aren't in tune with current/dance/R'n'B music, and as such fall short DJing at 18ths/21sts. I am basing this on the 20-30 party functions of this age group that I have attended as a guest over the last 8 years.

Although I personally have been a little more forgiving, and appreciative of the music, setup and technical skills of some of these DJs - youngsters are very unforgiving, and very critical if a DJ fails to cater for their musical tastes.

As I said, the kids attending these parties always remember if the DJ didn't hit the mark, and associate an older DJ as being 'out of touch'.

If it was purely ageism, these same youngsters wouldn't flock in their droves and pay £40-50 a head to see the likes of Tiesto (40), Mauro Picotto (42) and Paul Oakenfold (45) play.
While we have had the pleasure of a fleeting and frantic business meeting in a Car Park ( I've got to stop doing that, I think I'm getting the wrong sort of reputation :eek: :( :( :( ), you've not had the pleasure and privelege of seeing me work. ;) I is hip. ;) :D :D

( Is it still hip to say hip? :confused: :confused: )

[SC Events]

I is hip. ;) :D :D

( Is it still hip to say hip? :confused: :confused: )

Do you mean Hip Replacement??? haha :D :D :D Just kidding!

[BeerFunk]

While we have had the pleasure of a fleeting and frantic business meeting in a Car Park ( I've got to stop doing that, I think I'm getting the wrong sort of reputation :eek: :( :( :( ), you've not had the pleasure and privelege of seeing me work. ;) I is hip. ;) :D :D

( Is it still hip to say hip? :confused: :confused: )Based on your comments on here, and meeting you in person, I would imagine that you would not be the type of DJ I was referring to! Most of the DJs here seem to appreciate the difference between functions of different age groups.

The type of DJ I was referring to, is very unlikely to spend time and money researching, and improving themselves. It follows that they probably wouldn't be spending time on mobile DJ forums :)

[Excalibur]

Do you mean Hip Replacement??? haha :D :D :D Just kidding!
Please check your posts before replying, as I have found that a smack in the gob often offends. :D :D


Based on your comments on here, and meeting you in person, I would imagine that you would not be the type of DJ I was referring to! Most of the DJs here seem to appreciate the difference between functions of different age groups.

The type of DJ I was referring to, is very unlikely to spend time and money researching, and improving themselves. It follows that they probably wouldn't be spending time on mobile DJ forums :)

A fertile ground for self improvement. ;) :D

[SC Events]

Sorry Mr Excalibur, Sir :o :D