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Shakermaker Promotions
01-06-2009, 09:32 AM
Hi all,

Wasn't sure how to title this thread but having just read another one about the manager moaning about the volume of a Disco because the guests were all outside and needed to hear the music, it got me thinking.

There are different situations that we all come across week in, week out and it occured to me that most of the situations, difficulties I could potentially come across...I could overcome them and get something sorted.

For example: Last year I did a wedding and at one point in the evening, the guests all left the room and went out on to the grounds where they let off chinese laterns into the air. I knew this was happening in advance so it wasn't a problem but what I didn't know (I was asked on the night) was that they wanted me to play 'Rule the World' by Take That as the lanterns were being let off. As I said, I was asked on the night and I just said "Give me 10 minutes. If you can delay it then I can do it for you". The Bride and Groom were happy that I went out of my way to do it for them. Where the guests were was about 50m away from the room so I went to the van and got my Active DB Techs out and connected a whole bunch of mic leads togeather so that the speakers were right where they needed them. It worked well.

Now, I couldn't have done this if I didn't carry my Actives as backup or if I didn't have 20 odd mic leads etc...

Another time I was doing a 40th birthday in a marquee in the grounds of a pub around 50 miles away from my house. I couldn't get to see the marquee in advance but I was told that it was only about 20m away from the pub. When I turned up it was more than double that distance but I was covered easily because I had a couple of 50m JCB Heavy Duty extention leads. Never had to use them before but that was the first time. They aren't cheap but they sit in the van and they came in handy.

What I am asking is...Can you overcome most things that maybe thrown at you by surprise? Do you carry back up equipment, tools etc that could help you do this? I am a bit of a worry guts so I take stuff along that maybe I don't need and yes, it's a pain in the backside loading the van with stuff that 99% of the time you may not need but I would rather be safe in the knowledge that (a) I am covered and (b) If I am asked to do something then I look professional when I say "Yes, no problem" rather than "Erm..not sure if I can do that as I don't have the leads,speakers etc".

With the weather like it is at the moment, being able to move speakers about etc due to people being outside may be the 'norm for a while?

Another reason for posting this topic was because on saturday I played with a couple of EBM bands (That's Electronic Body Music for anyone that isn't familiar with the genre). The whole event was organised by someone that was honest when he said "I haven't done anything like this before"...This was evident when the 'PA' bloke turned up. I put 'PA' in inverted comma's because he was the worst I've ever come across. 300 Capacity venue, it was about 75% full and he turns up with a pair of JBL Eon's and 2 monitors that looked like they were 'Nigel jobs' (no offence mate). The sound was terrible, levels all wrong, loads of feedback and not enough volume either. EBM music needs to be in your face and meaty and this PA had no bottom end at all. The 'PA' bloke asked if he could use my speakers too as he had seen them in my van when I was unloading and I wasn't happy about that so I said no. He also asked me if I had any mic leads because half of his weren't working properly and when one of the bands asked if they could have a radio mic...he didn't have one. It was embarassing really. Luckily the gig went really well and the bands were excellent and best of all, I've been asked to do more stuff but the 'PA' bloke was a shining example of someone not being able to deal with any obstacles that appeared and also couldn't accomodate for what was needed.

Apologies for the long post but hopefully you can see where I am coming from. Let us know what you think.

Dynamic Entertainment
01-06-2009, 11:50 AM
I carry most stuff but stiill get caught out occasionally. A good example of this is a charity gig i done recently where they were were showcasing a dance troupe. They had their own PA to sing and play music through which was just ok. Had i turned up with my FOH mixer then the job would have been a damn sight easier and alot more professional, but i left it at home because ive had absolutly no use for if for 3 years....

Shaun
01-06-2009, 11:55 AM
For example: Last year I did a wedding and at one point in the evening, the guests all left the room and went out on to the grounds where they let off chinese laterns into the air. I knew this was happening in advance so it wasn't a problem but what I didn't know (I was asked on the night) was that they wanted me to play 'Rule the World' by Take That as the lanterns were being let off. As I said, I was asked on the night and I just said "Give me 10 minutes. If you can delay it then I can do it for you". The Bride and Groom were happy that I went out of my way to do it for them. Where the guests were was about 50m away from the room so I went to the van and got my Active DB Techs out and connected a whole bunch of mic leads togeather so that the speakers were right where they needed them. It worked well.

Now, I couldn't have done this if I didn't carry my Actives as backup or if I didn't have 20 odd mic leads etc...

they came in handy.

What I am asking is...Can you overcome most things that maybe thrown at you by surprise? Do you carry back up equipment, tools etc that could help yououtside may be the 'norm for a while?

what was needed.


I carry plenty of spare cables and a spare active speaker...so I could have accommodated running a speaker out. It's impossible to be prepared for any eventuality though. Ultimately, it's down to the clients to notify us in advance of any activities that may require forward planning on our part. :)

Pe7e
01-06-2009, 12:28 PM
I got roped into a freebie outdoors charity event last summer, the remit was to supply a PA for announcements, and CD player to provide the music for an amature belly dancing troupe. The venue was the garden of a medium sized pub, so a powerful PA would not needed. On the day however a 4 piece folk band and a trio of soul singers turned up without any PA of their own :eek:
Luckily with the help of the landlord (he had a couple of mics lying around) and utilising some of my backup kit I managed to cobble a workable set up together, and all was well. I even got a complement from the folk band, they were really pleased (probably never had a propper PA)

Regarding the first post, maybe the PA guy hadn't been given the correct information, in my experience, event organisers are frequently clueless and tend to play down the size of event in the hope of a cheaper quote.

rob1963
01-06-2009, 12:41 PM
It's impossible to be prepared for any eventuality though. Ultimately, it's down to the clients to notify us in advance of any activities that may require forward planning on our part. :)

Absolutely!

I carry some back up gear, but that doesn't include any speakers, so if they wanted an extra speaker outside, for example, they'd be out of luck.

Shakermaker Promotions
01-06-2009, 02:29 PM
Regarding the first post, maybe the PA guy hadn't been given the correct information, in my experience, event organisers are frequently clueless and tend to play down the size of event in the hope of a cheaper quote.

Sorry, I didn't want to go on for ages in my post but the PA Guy was given both of the band's numbers and mine to co-ordinate sound with. He was made fully aware of what was needed and when he turned up with what he did, we were all both surprised and slightly angry. He asked if I could lend him mine aswell for the extra bit of oomph and I politely told him that I was not there to supply sound when he was the PA supplier and there for that purpose.

Somehow...and I don't quite know how....it sounded ok.

I know some people may think I was out of order saying no to the use of my speakers but I made the decision not to and stuck by it.

Pe7e
01-06-2009, 02:39 PM
Sorry, I didn't want to go on for ages in my post but the PA Guy was given both of the band's numbers and mine to co-ordinate sound with. He was made fully aware of what was needed and when he turned up with what he did, we were all both surprised and slightly angry. He asked if I could lend him mine aswell for the extra bit of oomph and I politely told him that I was not there to supply sound when he was the PA supplier and there for that purpose.

In that case the PA guy should have been ashamed of himself, sadly there are many people out there masquerading as professionals, when in reality, they don't have a clue, and darken the reputation of the industry in general. I've come across many people in this line of work who don't know their own limitations.

Babybob
01-06-2009, 04:52 PM
Absolutely!

I carry some back up gear, but that doesn't include any speakers, so if they wanted an extra speaker outside, for example, they'd be out of luck.

But if you did you could use the 15 metre cable you charged someone for to hook it up.;)
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