Party Motivators

[Adam_F]

So..........

How many of us offer these :confused:

YouTube - Bar and Bat Mitzvah Packages

[discomobiledj]

Mmm not me, although I don't get many of these gigs!

Great bopping by the "dj"

Sooooo American!

[yourdj]

There is lots of this i really like and allot i hate. The personalization and honesty is so good. People know who and what they will be getting although i assume it may be a bit less cheesy on the actual night.

So many DJ's focus on hiding behind equipment when the client really wants a good dj who can read the crowd and make the party.

This is a a good marketing tool. i have been thinking of doing a scaled down version of this with less cheese for some time. Its meant to look as if its not rehearsed but it is obviously professionally produced etc. which shows.

[Charlie Brown]

.........and I thought I was cheesy! :sofa:

[yourdj]

What about this then:

Check it out :D

YouTube - Gig Bench Video FINISHED www.wwdjs.com


this is what we all need:

YouTube - The Ultimate Mobile DJ?

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Second one's been done a few times...

What's the matter with the first clip?

[Jiggles]

What about this then:

Check it out :D

YouTube - Gig Bench Video FINISHED www.wwdjs.com (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LXuwKe6qCY)


Is that Peter! :eek: :D

[CRAZY K]

So..........

How many of us offer these :confused:

YouTube - Bar and Bat Mitzvah Packages (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAFL32NvMPU&feature=channel_page)

Only one of me--but it probaby seems like three;)

Impressively large building they appear to be working in---or is that just hired for appearances?

They must be charging top dollar for the bigger shows--but Americans appear to be willing to spend a fair bit on Entertainment and we have seen other slick professional Videos from USA DJs.

I would imagine too much in your face for UK--imagine hiring the top package and no one danced except the paid dancers:D :D :D

CRAZY K

[Shaun]

What about this then:

Check it out :D

YouTube - Gig Bench Video FINISHED www.wwdjs.com (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LXuwKe6qCY)




I recognise that guy. He's a member on one of the US forums I occasionally visit.

[rob1963]

So..........

How many of us offer these :confused:

No, and I have no plans to.

There again, it's not easy to provide all those people when you're a one man band a few years from retirement with no desire to change.


What's the matter with the first clip?

The most obvious thing is the DJ's attire!

When was the last time any of us worked in a sleeveless vest?

:confused:

In my opinion that's even worse than a t shirt!

[DeckstarDeluxe]

No, and I have no plans to.

There again, it's not easy to provide all those people when you're a one man band a few years from retirement with no desire to change.



The most obvious thing is the DJ's attire!

When was the last time any of us worked in a sleeveless vest?

:confused:

In my opinion that's even worse than a t shirt!

When were you planning to drop that bombshell on us rob lol

[rob1963]

When were you planning to drop that bombshell on us rob lol

:rofl:

[Charlie Brown]

I like the fact that they have a "proper high street shop" with their disco rig setup in etc etc. Something I would love to have when I'm older. People can come and sort out all their events entertainment.

[Excalibur]

Is that Peter! :eek: :D

Very funny Callum, cross yourself off the list of folk I owe a pint to when you grow up. :p :D :D

Rob, I think Darren may perhaps have been employing a touch of sarcasm in his post, you appear to have missed that. :(

What's wrong with No1? Top of the list his haircut and mic technique. :bang:

[yourdj]

What's the matter with the first clip?

- Appearance for one.
- microphone technique. Would you want this bloke at your wedding?
- Hes on the wrong side of 50 and seems to think he is 20. i just think older dj's look better being cool calm and colected. They have expereance over many younger DJ's and should look like they can cope with any situation.

- It just encompasses the cheesy cringworthy dj for me and everything i strive not too be especially as i get older. :)


I like the fact that they have a "proper high street shop" with their disco rig setup in etc etc. Something I would love to have when I'm older. People can come and sort out all their events entertainment.

I recon that it is not thier premesis and its rented for the film? maybe not but the office does not look very worked in. the bloke only has a mac laptop?

Nice to have one but. Proper high street shops cost money and add an unnecessary cost as opposed to a lock up and visiting your clients at the venue. I made the mistake of buying a premises and now realize working from home is far more economical. They must also get some right tools coming off the streets with no idea of budgets and what they want. I would want to employ a secretary to deal with the time wasters. :)

[rob1963]

Having thought more about this, I'm just wondering about the market here for the kind of service these people are offering.

How many of us have ever had a request for not just a DJ, but also an MC and 4 "party motivators", or "paid dancers" or "rentacrowd" as I prefer to call them.

Firstly, I'd have thought the role of MC can be undertaken by a toasmaster and/or the DJ.

As for paid dancers, I think the idea is for them to get on the dancefloor to encourage others to join them there, but in my opinion the DJ should be able to do that. If a DJ can't get people on the dancefloor, he clearly needs to think about what he's doing wrong & how he needs to improve. The answer is NOT to bring in people who dance because they're paid to!

The way I see it is that this company are offering little extra value to a function, but I'm sure they ARE adding a LOT extra to the cost!

[CRAZY K]

- Appearance for one.
- microphone technique. Would you want this bloke at your wedding?
- Hes on the wrong side of 50 and seems to think he is 20. i just think older dj's look better being cool calm and colected. They have expereance over many younger DJ's and should look like they can cope with any situation.

- It just encompasses the cheesy cringworthy dj for me and everything i strive not too be especially as i get older. :)



I recon that it is not thier premesis and its rented for the film? maybe not but the office does not look very worked in. the bloke only has a mac laptop?

Nice to have one but. Proper high street shops cost money and add an unnecessary cost as opposed to a lock up and visiting your clients at the venue. I made the mistake of buying a premises and now realize working from home is far more economical. They must also get some right tools coming off the streets with no idea of budgets and what they want. I would want to employ a secretary to deal with the time wasters. :)

I agree---you cant have massive premises like that and not have a huge turnover generating the rent/ mortgage payments.

Something doesnt add up.

Unless they charge a grand a night and they work 4 or 5 nights a week.

Also if they are THE team they can only do one gig a night--

Unless they have even more people like that available :eek:

CRAZY K

[rob1963]

Rob, I think Darren may perhaps have been employing a touch of sarcasm in his post, you appear to have missed that. :(



- It just encompasses the cheesy cringworthy dj for me and everything i strive not too be especially as i get older. :)


Agreed.

Apart from the way he's dressed, I can't remember the last time I cringed as much as when the DJ spoke at the end of the clip. They really should have edited out the last 5 seconds.

He's not ALL bad, though...as he has mushroom lights! :D :D :D

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Hang on a minute...perhaps I'm missing something here, but who says the DJ was at a wedding? Perhaps he was in a pub, in which case the comments about his dress sense are null and void.

His show is very neat and tidy and yes, I agree, what he says is very cheesy, but some people on here also need to go off and find a personality of their own.

Once that is achieved, then come back and slate people on here who don't deserve to be slated.

[Shaun]

Hang on a minute...perhaps I'm missing something here, but who says the DJ was at a wedding? Perhaps he was in a pub, in which case the comments about his dress sense are null and void.



The gig was indeed a weekly bar gig. The whole reason for him posting video of his deck stand is that he was putting together a smaller portable show that he could wheel out onto the decking of the 'marina' during the summer evenings he was working there.


Having thought more about this, I'm just wondering about the market here for the kind of service these people are offering.

How many of us have ever had a request for not just a DJ, but also an MC and 4 "party motivators", or "paid dancers" or "rentacrowd" as I prefer to call them.



The american Bar/Bat Mitzvah market is an extremely lucrative market. Everything associated with them is all about excess and elaborate productions. Sure, we've no need for dual MC's and teams of party motivators in the markets we are in, but the American market is a whole different kettle of fish.

[CRAZY K]

The american Bar/Bat Mitzvah market is an extremely lucrative market. Everything associated with them is all about excess and elaborate productions. Sure, we've no need for dual MC's and teams of party motivators in the markets we are in, but the American market is a whole different kettle of fish.

Quite right, theres a big fistful of dollars available over there for the right proposition.

Its just probably not something for the UK but these guys ( like the last American DJ vid we looked at ) certainly know how to put over a good sales pitch--you cant knock that.

And yes agree with Darrens comments re-being an Entertainer.:D

CRAZY K

[rob1963]

Hang on a minute...perhaps I'm missing something here, but who says the DJ was at a wedding? Perhaps he was in a pub, in which case the comments about his dress sense are null and void.

Are you saying it's fine to wear a sleeveless vest when working in a pub?


what he says is very cheesy, but some people on here also need to go off and find a personality of their own. Once that is achieved, then come back and slate people on here who don't deserve to be slated.

Out of interest, who are you referring to?

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Are you saying it's fine to wear a sleeveless vest when working in a pub?

I am saying that it is fine to wear casual gear in a pub or perhaps outside venue as in where he was working, yes.




Out of interest, who are you referring to?

It wasn't aimed at anyone in particular. I really hope you aren't trying to stir things up again by asking me to name people. :eek: :D

[Shaun]

Are you saying it's fine to wear a sleeveless vest when working in a pub?


The DJ in question was working in the Marina outside the pub, in scorching summer sunshine.

[rob1963]

I really hope you aren't trying to stir things up again by asking me to name people. :eek: :D

Of course not.

Asking you to name people is not stirring things up, although you responding and naming them may well be!

:eek: :D :D

[yourdj]

I agree---you cant have massive premises like that and not have a huge turnover generating the rent/ mortgage payments.Something doesnt add up.
Unless they charge a grand a night and they work 4 or 5 nights a week.

i would guess that they charge in excess of five grand for an all in gig maybe more. After all the bm is a very important festival which can last for days.

The way they are portraying the business would mean the overheads are massive. They have at least ten staff and a large contemporary premises.


Hang on a minute...perhaps I'm missing something here, but who says the DJ was at a wedding? Perhaps he was in a pub, in which case the comments about his dress sense are null and void..

If i was even down the local pub i would at least wear a sleeved top. equipment is OK and im sure he is a good DJ but this clip is really naff! Check check checkitout :D

[rob1963]

If i was even down the local pub i would at least wear a sleeved top.

Me too.

I'd be interested to know how often people on this forum work in a sleeveless vest...regardless of the type of function & how hot it is.

:shrug:

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Me too.

I'd be interested to know how often people on this forum work in a sleeveless vest...regardless of the type of function & how hot it is.

:shrug:

And why would you be interested in that Rob?

So you could find out how many people agree with you no doubt.

[Steve the DJ]

For me I think the most important thing about that video is the fact that the company have numerous staff, proper offices and a demo area.

We can waffle on for as long as we like about attire, set ups and accents, but when it comes to running a big, professional, very profitable mobile DJ business the Americans make the majority of us look like the part time amateurs we really are.

[rob1963]

I'd be interested to know how often people on this forum work in a sleeveless vest...regardless of the type of function & how hot it is.


And why would you be interested in that Rob?

So you could find out how many people agree with you no doubt.

No, just to see if the ACTUAL answer would be as low as I THINK it would be, IE somewhere around the 0 mark.

You might want to try being less cynical about me!

:)

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

No, just to see if the ACTUAL answer would be as low as I THINK it would be, IE somewhere around the 0 mark.


You are very naive sometimes Rob. I have for one - I used to do a studenty/indie/rock pub where it was fairly common.

I bet there are others too - Corabar Steve comes to mind immediately.

[Charlie Brown]

I recon that it is not thier premesis and its rented for the film? maybe not but the office does not look very worked in. the bloke only has a mac laptop?


But what about the signs above the door? I'm sure at one point he says "you can pop down and see us if you like?" - maybe I'm imagining things but I'm pretty sure he said that.

[rob1963]

I recon that it is not thier premesis and its rented for the film? maybe not but the office does not look very worked in.

I think you're wrong.

Having seen their website, it includes their office address (with the same street number as that shown in the youtube video) and also gives directions to their office from a number of different places.

If the information on their website is accurate, they are clearly a very large operation, as it says they have 25 DJs and cover over 2,000 functions a year. If they charged £500, that would give them an annual turnover of more than a million pounds!

:eek: :eek: :eek:

[Pe7e]

For me I think the most important thing about that video is the fact that the company have numerous staff, proper offices and a demo area. When it comes to running a big, professional, very profitable mobile DJ business the Americans make the majority of us look like the part time amateurs we really are.

How can you draw that conclusion from watching a 2 min promo video, nice large premises are usually expensive and a drain on profits, plus the US commercial property market is very different to the UK where we are usually prevented from such set up by sky high rents and UBR at silly levels.

[Steve the DJ]

How can you draw that conclusion from watching a 2 min promo video, nice large premises are usually expensive and a drain on profits, plus the US commercial property market is very different to the UK where we are usually prevented from such set up by sky high rents and UBR at silly levels.

My apologies, I haven't drawn that conclusion from just watching a 2 minute promo video, but also from talking to our US cousins.

They also pay less tax, have lower fuel duty and can buy kit at a far more favourable price than us and still the average charge for a basic "no frills" Wedding is $1200.

In comparison, the majority of UK DJs have a substantially higher cost base and an inability to charge more than "pocket money" for the service they provide.

The only thing stopping UK DJs from attaining the same level of perceived professionalism and income is themselves.

So what is your point exactly? :confused:

[Shaun]

The only thing stopping UK DJs from attaining the same level of perceived professionalism and income is themselves.



:agree:

[Dynamic Entertainment]

:agree:

Me too :)


Ive just had a good look around their website. They look outstanding, they do claim to have 25 DJs, and they are all backed up with profiles and photographs (a bit hard to fake, but not impossible).

The americans dont do anthing by halfs :D

[Pe7e]

So what is your point exactly? :confused:

My points were, #1 unless you have access to a companies financial records, you can't assume their profitability from appearance, and #2 it's much easier/cheaper to acquire affordable premises in the USA.
There's plenty of UK DJs perfectly capable of putting a similar show on, several members of this forum certainly could, less the 'motivators' of course. I think that would be near impossible to sell here, it's a bit OTT for the British market.
I would also wager they're as high a percentage of $80 Elmers in the USA as we have £60 Sids here. I do agree the only person to blame for an unprofessional approach to their business is the DJ themselves.

[rob1963]

My points were, #1 unless you have access to a companies financial records, you can't assume their profitability from appearance,

True, but I think it's fair to say that a disco company which seems to have a turnover in excess of a million pounds (over 2,000 gigs a year @ £500 each minimum) can probably afford to rent offices!

[Jiggles]

Very funny Callum, cross yourself off the list of folk I owe a pint to when you grow up. :p :D :D


Damn. :( :cry:

[Corabar Steve]

You are very naive sometimes Rob. I have for one - I used to do a studenty/indie/rock pub where it was fairly common.

I bet there are others too - Corabar Steve comes to mind immediately.
Oi! Leave me out of this! :sj:

[rob1963]

Oi! Leave me out of this! :sj:

Too late! :D :D :D

[Steve the DJ]

My points were, #1 unless you have access to a companies financial records, you can't assume their profitability from appearance...

I think the recent world down turn and subsequent number of failing companies demonstrates that the financial records are not the greatest guide to health either. :D



...and #2 it's much easier/cheaper to acquire affordable premises in the USA.

Which is irrelevant because they still charge far in excess of what a comparable UK DJ would for the same level of service. With lower overheads they could easily charge less and still make margins that UK DJs could only dream of, but they don't, they maximise their profit and that is my point.



There's plenty of UK DJs perfectly capable of putting a similar show on, several members of this forum certainly could, less the 'motivators' of course. I think that would be near impossible to sell here, it's a bit OTT for the British market.

I totally agree with you there.



I would also wager they're as high a percentage of $80 Elmers in the USA as we have £60 Sids here.

There are and the Americans openly admit that.

There is space in the market for everyone and there will always be a need for someone to be a £60 sid, but the most important point for me is that (although things are changing), the benchmark price for a professional UK Wedding DJ offering a similar "package" to a US cousin should really be starting at (IMHO) circa £600 - £700.

When you compare what many of us charge to all the other "professional services" in attendance at a Wedding then it is clear we are completely undervalued.

But then we all knew that already didn't we?