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Adam_F
10-08-2009, 04:55 PM
A select few of you have already seen this ;) , but here it is for the others:
http://www.skratchworx.com/news3/comments.php?id=1284
djsteve10
10-08-2009, 05:00 PM
I am liking the look of this mixer, Full EQ on the mic channels unlike the DJM 800.
Adam_F
10-08-2009, 05:15 PM
I am liking the look of this mixer, Full EQ on the mic channels unlike the DJM 800.
Same build quality as the 800 too, but has a better sound quality, the Sound Ultramizer really makes it stand out from other mixers.
but still no CDJ1000 Mk4, despite much speculation.
djsteve10
10-08-2009, 05:27 PM
Same build quality as the 800 too, but has a better sound quality, the Sound Ultramizer really makes it stand out from other mixers.
Yeah I noticed that, I will have to give one a demo as it could be a replacement for the Denon DNX500 :D
Adam_F
10-08-2009, 05:38 PM
Yeah I noticed that, I will have to give one a demo as it could be a replacement for the Denon DNX500 :D
That's what I had before. It's a major upgrade. Only thing I don't like is it hasn't got a matrix, so if your constantly changin your inputs or working with other DJs plugging in it gets a bit annoying. BUT the built in sound card, sound ultramizer and full MIDI mapping more than make up for it.
djsteve10
10-08-2009, 05:41 PM
That's what I had before. It's a major upgrade. Only thing I don't like is it hasn't got a matrix, so if your constantly changin your inputs or working with other DJs plugging in it gets a bit annoying. BUT the built in sound card, sound ultramizer and full MIDI mapping more than make up for it.
If I do buy one then it will be only used for me anyway so probably 2 CDJS and then the Denon.
The last Pioneer mixer I owned was a DJM500 and it was by far the best Pioneer mixer I have ever used so we shall see if the DJM5000 lives upto the standard with the new sound ultramizer.
BeerFunk
10-08-2009, 05:47 PM
Looks flash! Assuming the build and sound quality are up to the standard you would expect from Pioneer, the main thing that caught my eye is the 'advanced talkover'. I've never been satisfied with the results of any mixer's talkover function, so I've always manually adjusted the volume for my announcements.
The mixer is 5U - although just 1U bigger than the 'standard' size, it might cause some DJs problems if it was intended as a straight replacement for their current mixer.
Adam_F
10-08-2009, 05:52 PM
The mixer is 5U - although just 1U bigger than the 'standard' size, it might cause some DJs problems if it was intended as a straight replacement for their current mixer.
Yep, hence my post a few weeks back wanting a larger slanted flightcase LoL
Adam_F
10-08-2009, 06:29 PM
....and a couple of pics of my current gig box (can finally remove the electrical tape covering up the Pioneer and DJM 5000 logos LoL)
visualdjmax
10-08-2009, 06:49 PM
That looks like a nice rig, complete with iPhone! Is there a price on the mixer? I can't find it anywhere!!!!
Dynamic Entertainment
10-08-2009, 06:54 PM
That looks like a nice rig, complete with iPhone! Is there a price on the mixer? I can't find it anywhere!!!!
I second that?
And do you know of a planned update to replace the CMX-3000 Adam?
Solitaire Events Ltd
10-08-2009, 06:57 PM
A select few of you have already seen this ;)
:whistle:
(And had our say about it ;) )
Adam_F
10-08-2009, 07:35 PM
That looks like a nice rig, complete with iPhone! Is there a price on the mixer? I can't find it anywhere!!!!
Price could change at the moment, it hasn't been set in stone. As soon as I have confirmation, I'll post here first. All I can say is it'll be between the DJM 700 & DJM 800 (which doesn't help much I'm afraid - sorry).
I second that?
And do you know of a planned update to replace the CMX-3000 Adam?
:zip: I can only comment on released products I'm afraid.
:whistle:
(And had our say about it ;) )
You did indeed ;)
Bigger high res pics can be seen here http://hotdjgear.com/dj-blog/2009/08/10/pioneer-release-the-djm-5000 click the pics to see close ups.
Shaun
10-08-2009, 07:56 PM
I like. :)
DJMaxG
10-08-2009, 09:54 PM
Adam,
Am I right in thinking it is a 19" Version of the DJM 800?
visualdjmax
10-08-2009, 10:02 PM
:whistle:
(And had our say about it ;) )
Smug Git! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
visualdjmax
10-08-2009, 10:03 PM
[QUOTE=Adam_F;364915]Price could change at the moment, it hasn't been set in stone. As soon as I have confirmation, I'll post here first. All I can say is it'll be between the DJM 700 & DJM 800 (which doesn't help much I'm afraid - sorry).
Cheers Max. Very Interested!
I like the new features. Very interesting, but now they have this, Denon will follow with the same idea or something slightly better. lol.
Mark Wild
10-08-2009, 10:40 PM
Smug Git! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
innit ! lol :D
Adam_F
10-08-2009, 10:40 PM
Smug Git! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Ha Ha
I don't think you were around on the forums when I needed people Max.
Maybe next time ;)
Adam_F
10-08-2009, 10:42 PM
I like the new features. Very interesting, but now they have this, Denon will follow with the same idea or something slightly better. lol.
Denon have announced their new products for this show in America, and a 19" mobile mixer isn't one of them.
(Here's what Denon have announced - http://hotdjgear.com/dj-blog/2009/08/10/denon-launch-new-gear)
Nothing to say they won't launch something at BPM though. I know a few other manufactures are.
visualdjmax
10-08-2009, 10:43 PM
Ha Ha
I don't think you were around on the forums when I needed people Max.
Maybe next time ;)
Cool cheers Adam
Solitaire Events Ltd
10-08-2009, 10:50 PM
Adam,
Am I right in thinking it is a 19" Version of the DJM 800?
No.
Adam_F
10-08-2009, 10:55 PM
Adam,
Am I right in thinking it is a 19" Version of the DJM 800?
Sorry Max, missed your question.
Darren's right.
This is an advanced mobile DJ and installation mixer. The DJM 800 is targetted towards club DJs, with a very good effects section and colour effects.
This DJM 5000 has advanced talk over, and up to 3 mic channels with dedicated effect, especially for karaoke, hosts and MCs. As well as a 3 in, 1 out soundcard for software DJs. Plus a few other things too.
Dynamic Entertainment
10-08-2009, 11:00 PM
Thats the only thing missing in my book, and effects module. The 3000 does get some hammer at most 18th and 21st, and had the 5000 come equipped with the 800s effects module it would have been perfect. I dont fancy lugging an EFX1000 about :( :D
Adam_F
10-08-2009, 11:02 PM
I dont fancy lugging an EFX1000 about :( :D
I do, it'll fit nicely on a custom bracket I've got coming to add to the gig box :D
visualdjmax
10-08-2009, 11:03 PM
Thats the only thing missing in my book, and effects module. The 3000 does get some hammer at most 18th and 21st, and had the 5000 come equipped with the 800s effects module it would have been perfect. I dont fancy lugging an EFX1000 about :( :D
I would look good though!:D
visualdjmax
10-08-2009, 11:04 PM
No.
Harsh but fair:)
visualdjmax
10-08-2009, 11:04 PM
I do, it'll fit nicely on a custom bracket I've got coming to add to the gig box :D
Adam I not happy! Have many toys have you got mate?:D
Dynamic Entertainment
10-08-2009, 11:07 PM
I do, it'll fit nicely on a custom bracket I've got coming to add to the gig box :D
Beans...Spill. Whats the box, and will the bracket fit a Road Ready case?
Adam I not happy! Have many toys have you got mate?:D
My thoughts exactly. Too may nice toys :)
Adam_F
10-08-2009, 11:17 PM
Adam I not happy! Have many toys have you got mate?:D
You can talk!! LoL
Beans...Spill. Whats the box, and will the bracket fit a Road Ready case?
My thoughts exactly. Too may nice toys :)
Its pretty much the same as the standard Pioneer EFX 1000 bracket, just a bit taller, to sit into the RoadReady case in the pics above, and sit over the mixer (well it'll sit over the DNHD 2500 thats normally at the top of my box).
Not got the EFX 1000 yet, it's coming though :D
visualdjmax
10-08-2009, 11:21 PM
i am thinking about getting one. Is it well worth having one in addition to the DJM 800??????? Also on the look out for an SVM if you know anybody that wants to shift theres? Not really up for spending as much as 6K at the moment though. Funny that.
Adam_F
10-08-2009, 11:38 PM
i am thinking about getting one. Is it well worth having one in addition to the DJM 800??????? Also on the look out for an SVM if you know anybody that wants to shift theres? Not really up for spending as much as 6K at the moment though. Funny that.
The EFX is more versatile than the 800s effects. The fedback loop you can create is cool, as it's fully editable after you've recorded it. Meaning you can delete little bits out, or record more stuff over the top. Add to that the ability to layer the effects from the jog dial side too and you can get some pretty sweet sounds from it.
Does take some practicing though. You won't become the next James Zabelia or Rik Parkinson over night LoL
Oh, an if you are going to buy an SVM your going to need two EFXs and run them between the DVJ an the mixer as it hasn't got a send & return!
visualdjmax
10-08-2009, 11:44 PM
:D :D :D :D Great!!!!!!! Thanks for the great news Adam!!!!:D :D :D
DJMaxG
11-08-2009, 06:12 PM
....and a couple of pics of my current gig box (can finally remove the electrical tape covering up the Pioneer and DJM 5000 logos LoL)
What - I Can't believe you've already got it racked, and it's barely released yet. Is that a demo one in there?
Sorry Max, missed your question.
Darren's right. :sofa:
It appears to be better than the DJM 800, but what about that side effects panel on the 800, does it have anything like it, or as many or more effects?
definately nice having all those mic channels though ;)
Adam_F
11-08-2009, 08:41 PM
What - I Can't believe you've already got it racked, and it's barely released yet. Is that a demo one in there?
Pre Production model.
Had it for around 6 weeks. Still fine tuning, and tweaking here and there with the microphone effects.
It appears to be better than the DJM 800, but what about that side effects panel on the 800, does it have anything like it, or as many or more effects?
definately nice having all those mic channels though ;)
The DJM 5000 has no effects section for standard audio, only microphone effects. So the two models are quite different.
Shaun
11-08-2009, 09:28 PM
....and a couple of pics of my current gig box (can finally remove the electrical tape covering up the Pioneer and DJM 5000 logos LoL)
Looks very suave. Impressive. :beer1:
Adam_F
12-08-2009, 10:14 AM
Is there a price on the mixer?
£789
visualdjmax
12-08-2009, 10:44 AM
£789
That's not as bad as I thought it was going to be:D :D
Starlight
12-08-2009, 02:34 PM
£789
Is that trade price :sj:
Neil M.
Adam_F
12-08-2009, 02:43 PM
Is that trade price :sj:
Neil M.
:bang:
Why would it be?
A trade price would not help anyone on here, as I doubt there is anyone on here, that would be able to get a Pioneer trade account. Sure you could go through a distributer like BatMink, but you'd be paying over the odds (still saving from RRP though).
Just to confirm, £789 is the street price for this mixer
DJMaxG
12-08-2009, 03:36 PM
Originally Posted by Adam_F
£789
Compared to competitors prices, it is pretty expensive, but is an average price tag for Pioneer Products.
I thought it was just a more expensive version of the Denon X900, but with extra mic functions and MIDI, can justify it.
Can I ask Adam, what is the advanced talkover?
what does it do that's advanced?
Just to confirm, £789 is the street price for this mixer
For the price, I think that is good for what it is. Has new toys on there as well as the Pioneer name which I believe is industry standard in clubs these days? Well the CDJ's anyway?
Solitaire Events Ltd
12-08-2009, 03:39 PM
:bang:
Why would it be?
A trade price would not help anyone on here, as I doubt there is anyone on here, that would be able to get a Pioneer trade account. Sure you could go through a distributer like BatMink, but you'd be paying over the odds (still saving from RRP though).
Just to confirm, £789 is the street price for this mixer
As I mentioned elsewhere that is a lot cheaper than they mentioned initially and I told then it was too expensive. ;)
Dynamic Entertainment
12-08-2009, 04:09 PM
I like. Im getting that and an MEP after christmas :D
Adam_F
12-08-2009, 04:47 PM
Can I ask Adam, what is the advanced talkover?
what does it do that's advanced?
I've got a good chart that explains this, I'll dig it out when I get home.
As I mentioned elsewhere that is a lot cheaper than they mentioned initially and I told then it was too expensive. ;)
Yeah, they do listen.
Originally when I first knew about this, the price was around what it is now, but for a while, earlier this year, it was set to be at more that £1000 :eek:
Solitaire Events Ltd
12-08-2009, 05:28 PM
I've got a good chart that explains this, I'll dig it out when I get home.
Yeah, they do listen.
Originally when I first knew about this, the price was around what it is now, but for a while, earlier this year, it was set to be at more that £1000 :eek:
£1000 is what they told me and I said it was too expensive when you can get A&H mixers cheaper.
visualdjmax
12-08-2009, 06:36 PM
£1000 is what they told me and I said it was too expensive when you can get A&H mixers cheaper.
But they are not as good!
Dynamic Entertainment
12-08-2009, 06:37 PM
But they are not as good!
Dunno, i love the 92 rotatry (granted it cant be compared to the djm5000 with functionallity)
visualdjmax
12-08-2009, 06:46 PM
Dunno, i love the 92 rotatry (granted it cant be compared to the djm5000 with functionallity)
Hang on that's a different animal and about 2K more expensive :D . I haven't had very good experiences with A&H I had a 464 and 64 and sold them and they weren't made for mobiles. Pioneer any day or perhaps OLD Formula Sounds.
Dynamic Entertainment
12-08-2009, 06:54 PM
Hang on that's a different animal and about 2K more expensive :D . I haven't had very good experiences with A&H I had a 464 and 64 and sold them and they weren't made for mobiles. Pioneer any day or perhaps OLD Formula Sounds.
lol, why I said they coudnt be compared really :D - Ive not used anything other than the 92, but Im a big fan of pioneer.
Pioneer any day or perhaps OLD Formula Sounds.
:thumbs_up: PM90 - nice. Also the CXM - similar modular chassis to the Formula Sound and pretty much the standard installation mixer into mainstream clubs throughout the late 90s/early 00s.
We have a CXM on our inventory, which still goes out on jobs - it's long been my "personal" favourite DJ mixer, lovely smooth 100mm Penny & Gilles faders and separate music/mics busses. DJs who've been on the circuit a few years always approve, however there is a growing school of newer "can't work anything except a Pioneer DJM"-type DJs, whom only seem able to operate the gain & EQ pots fully clockwise on the CXM, ignoring the chopfade section on the M2 master, with which one can be very creative.
BeerFunk
12-08-2009, 07:42 PM
Allen & Heath is in a bracket higher than Pioneer and Denon in my opinion, in terms of sound quality at least. I've always thought Denon edged Pioneer on that too, although there's a :cat: hair in it :)
Dynamic Entertainment
12-08-2009, 07:43 PM
Ill second that Tone - I know a few djs who are lost without a big yellow effects button :)
Excalibur
12-08-2009, 07:56 PM
:thumbs_up: PM90 - nice. Also the CXM - similar modular chassis to the Formula Sound and pretty much the standard installation mixer into mainstream clubs throughout the late 90s/early 00s.
We have a CXM on our inventory, which still goes out on jobs - it's long been my "personal" favourite DJ mixer, lovely smooth 100mm Penny & Gilles faders and separate music/mics busses. DJs who've been on the circuit a few years always approve, however there is a growing school of newer "can't work anything except a Pioneer DJM"-type DJs, whom only seem able to operate the gain & EQ pots fully clockwise on the CXM, ignoring the chopfade section on the M2 master, with which one can be very creative.
Many many years ago, I had a Radio Shack mixer ( stop sniggering at the back there, or I shall have to remonstate with you. Severely. ) and it had a bus. I wish more DJ mixers had them, it allows addition/expansion so easily.
rob1963
12-08-2009, 10:46 PM
Many many years ago, I had a Radio Shack mixer ( stop sniggering at the back there, or I shall have to remonstate with you. Severely. ) and it had a bus. I wish more DJ mixers had them, it allows addition/expansion so easily.
Someone else who used to shop in Tandy.
Respect!
:D
Javlingames
13-08-2009, 09:58 AM
I love the cloud mixers and would choose one over a pioneer any day of the week, pioneers are full of toys, i use an svm on a weekly basis and i hate it. In my opnion its badly laid out, no mid control on the mic, far too sensitive on the main gains. Formula sound and Allen & Heath are awsome sound quality without the bells and whistles, pioneer have gone for the effects and boys toys but sadly lack in the sound quality.
Solitaire Events Ltd
13-08-2009, 10:12 AM
Allen & Heath is in a bracket higher than Pioneer and Denon in my opinion, in terms of sound quality at least. I've always thought Denon edged Pioneer on that too, although there's a :cat: hair in it :)
Nope, Pioneer is on par with A&H in terms of quality and price point.
Denon is a step down.
Javlingames
13-08-2009, 10:26 AM
Its got to be personal preference surely? The fact that Allen & Heath have mid eq's on the mic and pioneers do not, make allen & heath a better quality product for me.
Solitaire Events Ltd
13-08-2009, 10:30 AM
Its got to be personal preference surely? The fact that Allen & Heath have mid eq's on the mic and pioneers do not, make allen & heath a better quality product for me.
They do on the new one.
Javlingames
13-08-2009, 10:40 AM
They do on the new one.
LOL its only taken them 12 years to do it.
BeerFunk
13-08-2009, 01:52 PM
Nope, Pioneer is on par with A&H in terms of quality and price point.
Denon is a step down.No, I find that there is little to seperate Pioneer and Denon in terms of audio quality - but Denon mixers perform well even when pushed to maximum output, whereas you get a bit of distortion with Pioneer mixers.
You won't find many who place Pioneer on a par with A&H either - and to me, Pioneer are generally over-priced.
Solitaire Events Ltd
13-08-2009, 02:03 PM
No, I find that there is little to seperate Pioneer and Denon in terms of audio quality - but Denon mixers perform well even when pushed to maximum output, whereas you get a bit of distortion with Pioneer mixers.
You won't find many who place Pioneer on a par with A&H either - and to me, Pioneer are generally over-priced.
Well I own both Denon and Pioneer and we'll have to agree to disagree on all points.
You won't find many who place Pioneer on a par with A&H either - and to me, Pioneer are generally over-priced.
Not only are the products overpriced, but also the discount tier offered by the trade distributors is low, compared to other brands.
BUT they are in the enviable position of having monopolised their corner of the market, just like Technics did in the 80s & 90s - so as a sound provider one is forced to stock their products even if from a technical perspective there are better (and possibly cheaper) alternatives.
DJMaxG
13-08-2009, 02:16 PM
Nope, Pioneer is on par with A&H in terms of quality and price point.
I Know a DJ who went from a Behringer DDM 4000 and 2 X CDJ 400s, to an
Allen & Heath Xone 92.
He says the Quality is a hell lot better than the behringer.
I wouldn't worry about the Pioneer being distorted when high (in reference to other post) because you'd stay out of the red if you're if your names not Russ Morris from BRMB.
YouTube - Russ Morris from BRMB in the Mix @ Fuse Redditch
I Did not film this video, just found it on the web.
Solitaire Events Ltd
13-08-2009, 02:23 PM
He says the Quality is a hell lot better than the behringer.
Really? :bang: :D
I Know a DJ who went from a Behringer DDM 4000 and 2 X CDJ 400s, to an
Allen & Heath Xone 92.
He says the Quality is a hell lot better than the behringer.
Well there's a surprise.
I wouldn't worry about the Pioneer being distorted when high
Don't you care for good sound quality, Maxwell?
Javlingames
13-08-2009, 02:31 PM
I Know a DJ who went from a Behringer DDM 4000 and 2 X CDJ 400s, to an
Allen & Heath Xone 92.
He says the Quality is a hell lot better than the behringer.
I wouldn't worry about the Pioneer being distorted when high (in reference to other post) because you'd stay out of the red if you're if your names not Russ Morris from BRMB.
YouTube - Russ Morris from BRMB in the Mix @ Fuse Redditch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MTueTmiJ6o)
I Did not film this video, just found it on the web.
Most clubs ive ever worked in have one of those mixers and they are always being redlined, you can do that with forumla sound.
Really? :bang: :D
Just what I was thinking. lol.
No, I find that there is little to seperate Pioneer and Denon in terms of audio quality - but Denon mixers perform well even when pushed to maximum output, whereas you get a bit of distortion with Pioneer mixers.
You won't find many who place Pioneer on a par with A&H either - and to me, Pioneer are generally over-priced.
I have heard that the output's in Pioneer mixers are rather hot anyway, hence why you may get some distortion when pushing the mixer outputs quite hard.
Dynamic Entertainment
13-08-2009, 06:51 PM
No, I find that there is little to seperate Pioneer and Denon in terms of audio quality - but Denon mixers perform well even when pushed to maximum output, whereas you get a bit of distortion with Pioneer mixers.
You won't find many who place Pioneer on a par with A&H either - and to me, Pioneer are generally over-priced.
Personally I find the build quality on the Denon terrible. Ive not came across one yet that hasnt had problems with the PFL/Cue buttons, and in 2 seperate mixers, the main mic channel has died...
Most clubs ive ever worked in have one of those mixers and they are always being redlined, you can do that with forumla sound.
Just because you can...doesnt mean you should ;)
DJMaxG
13-08-2009, 07:15 PM
Don't you care for good sound quality, Max
You have cut my sentance in half!
I said, I wouldn't worry about it being distorted during red lights, because it should NOT be Redlined.
You have cut my sentance in half!
I said, I wouldn't worry about it being distorted during red lights, because it should NOT be Redlined.
You tell that to DJ's who red line and think it's ok. lol.
Good luck.
Dynamic Entertainment
13-08-2009, 07:55 PM
You tell that to DJ's who red line and think it's ok. lol.
Good luck.
Which are most...and the more famous the dj the worse they seem to get.
Which are most...and the more famous the dj the worse they seem to get.
So true, Steve, so true.
I always route the DJ mixer through 2 channels of dbx 1066 with Peak Stop Plus set at 0db, so they can turn everything as clockwise as they want but it still doesn't get any louder. The D12s have their own gain reduction and overload protection circuitry too, but when babysitting it's fun to watch the comps hitting minus twelve :)
Adam_F
14-08-2009, 09:26 AM
I wouldn't worry about the Pioneer being distorted when high (in reference to other post) because you'd stay out of the red if you're if your names not Russ Morris from BRMB.
YouTube - Russ Morris from BRMB in the Mix @ Fuse Redditch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MTueTmiJ6o)
I Did not film this video, just found it on the web.
Ha, my local nightclub!
My mate is the one who filmed that, he's the resident in there on a Thursday.
It's not a Pioneer mixer in the booth. It's redlined because half the speakers don't work, and there's no monitor either, so the DJ can't guage what the audio is like without crankin everything up.
Sound in general in there is :Censored:
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