I don't know what to call it but it had no business being in Tom's "retirement"thread

[StarZSoundS]

The downturn in trade is something which WILL change,



Said with some bravado....

They going to rescind the smoking ban?:confused:


Hang all the wanna-be DJ's with downloaded music on their computer??:confused:


Go through with restricting the prices that Supermarkets sell quantities of alcohol to the general public(whatever happened to that)??:confused:


I'll not be encouraging my boys to take it up as a career:bang:

[ppentertainments]

Said with some bravado....

They going to rescind the smoking ban?:confused:


Hang all the wanna-be DJ's with downloaded music on their computer??:confused:


Go through with restricting the prices that Supermarkets sell quantities of alcohol to the general public(whatever happened to that)??:confused:


I'll not be encouraging my boys to take it up as a career:bang:

Although there is a definite downturn in trade, this year has been my (and some others) best year ever.

It is tough out there but still markets to aim for. (I hope :D )

[A1DL]

Said with some bravado....
They going to rescind the smoking ban?:confused:


I'm sure we've done this one before on here :Sleeping:

I don't believe the smoking ban has had any effect whatsoever on the wedding or corporate sector, or for that matter any worthwhile part of the mobile disco market.

If it has stopped people going out to grotty, (formerly smoke-filled) dives of pubs, where £60 sid was in his element and fights were pretty much a guaranteed feature of Friday & Saturday nights, then surely that can only be a good thing.... if they haven't already done so, they'll soon close up and be turned into drive through fast food restaurants or knocked down for residential redevelopment.

[StarZSoundS]

I don't believe the smoking ban has had any effect whatsoever on the wedding or corporate sector, or for that matter any worthwhile part of the mobile disco market.



Here we go again.......You'd be surprised how many Pub DJ's there are on here and its easy to offend.....So I would be careful before you start labelling them as not worthwhile.:eek:

Furthermore ....I think most of them would rather do thier business in a fairly busy pub than entertaining 10 people from HSBC....SEE RECENT THREAD:bang:

Please see.....should be a fun-gig.............

[Shakermaker Promotions]

To be honest, I do pub jobs too and A1 has offended me many a time but not on this occasion...I didn't find his post offensive.

[Danno13]

Furthermore ....I think most of them would rather do thier business in a fairly busy pub than entertaining 10 people from HSBC....SEE RECENT THREAD

Depends on your situation. In most cases the pub wouldn't be paying as much, so I'd sooner have a crap night than a great one which didn't earn me enough to pay the bills.

(Yes.. it's all about the money before you mention that again :D)

[Shakermaker Promotions]

But then again....

(Possibly another topic?)

It's those 'pub gigs' that fill in the gaps next to the private bookings.
It's also those 'pub gigs' that get the name about and also extra private bookings at full price.

By the way....I'm not sure what some other pubs pay but I get pretty decent money. It may be different where I am but my 'pub gigs' aren't a case of the pub saying "Oh, shall we have a Disco this week?" and hoping that the Disco pulls in people. They put me on because I DO pull in people and it's always packed out when I play because of the varied nights I do and the people know that they will get an eclectic, varied mix of music that is never the same.

£60.00 Sid? No, I'm not one of those at all although there are some around my way and they are in places where it's dead and they are trying to get people in....but they don't!

[StarZSoundS]

I'm sure we've done this one before on here :Sleeping:

I don't believe the smoking ban has had any effect whatsoever on the wedding or corporate sector, or for that matter any worthwhile part of the mobile disco market.

If it has stopped people going out to grotty, (formerly smoke-filled) dives of pubs, where £60 sid was in his element and fights were pretty much a guaranteed feature of Friday & Saturday nights, then surely that can only be a good thing.... if they haven't already done so, they'll soon close up and be turned into drive through fast food restaurants or knocked down for residential redevelopment.

Ok lets analyze this paragraph and personalize it...

I am primarily a Pub/Club DJ.

My name is not Sid....its Martin.I do not charge £60 and I haven't seen one single fight on a Friday or Saturday this year....and i've worked most of them.Obviously the Pubs are not smoke filled anymore ....because of the smoking ban.I am fully legit....Pat tested,PLI,TAX and NI...etc etc...so why are you critiscizing my end of the market when I haven't had a swipe at yours.

Because of my exposure in these places I get bookings in some of the nicest places you could wish to work in....but its normally because people have seen me working in the flesh rather than on the gallery of a website;)

[Danno13]

But then again....

(Possibly another topic?)

It's those 'pub gigs' that fill in the gaps next to the private bookings.
It's also those 'pub gigs' that get the name about and also extra private bookings at full price.

By the way....I'm not sure what some other pubs pay but I get pretty decent money. It may be different where I am but my 'pub gigs' aren't a case of the pub saying "Oh, shall we have a Disco this week?" and hoping that the Disco pulls in people. They put me on because I DO pull in people and it's always packed out when I play because of the varied nights I do and the people know that they will get an eclectic, varied mix of music that is never the same.

£60.00 Sid? No, I'm not one of those at all although there are some around my way and they are in places where it's dead and they are trying to get people in....but they don't!

I don't doubt that, but given the choice (as Martin suggested) on say a Saturday night.. it's likely the hotel/private booking would pay more :)

[StarZSoundS]

Depends on your situation. In most cases the pub wouldn't be paying as much, so I'd sooner have a crap night than a great one which didn't earn me enough to pay the bills.

(Yes.. it's all about the money before you mention that again :D)


Danno....you're 23......I'm 51.

I'm not feeding my family with what I earn....they left about five years ago....get my drift.

You need to get into bed with Rob:eek: ....he's my age and he still thinks MONEY ROCKS...LOL:eek:

[Shakermaker Promotions]

Ok lets analyze this paragraph and personalize it...

I am primarily a Pub/Club DJ.

My name is not Sid....its Martin.I do not charge £60 and I haven't seen one single fight on a Friday or Saturday this year....and i've worked most of them.Obviously the Pubs are not smoke filled anymore ....because of the smoking ban.I am fully legit....Pat tested,PLI,TAX and NI...etc etc...so why are you critiscizing my end of the market when I haven't had a swipe at yours.

Because of my exposure in these places I get bookings in some of the nicest places you could wish to work in....but its normally because people have seen me working in the flesh rather than on the gallery of a website;)


You said there what I was trying to say so thanks!
At the end of the day - Those gigs are just as good as adverts because people get to see what we do in the flesh (as you said).

Danno - Yes, I agree with you too...but, my 'pub gigs' are very flexible. Believe it or not (and I'm no ego maniac), they know I am very busy and (if you like..) sought after. If I have a private booking come in and it's on a date that I have a 'pub gig', they have no problem with me doing the private booking for more money and swapping the date to when I am free. They are glad to have me because I get the tills ringing for them. It works both ways, when I am there I am advertising myself as well as working and earning.

If the private bookings are thin on the ground (they're not) then the 'pub gigs' help fill the gaps and they would give me more too more likely. I'm not using them, they're not using me...it's all about the money at the end of the day and paying the bills. I earn more if I do a private booking, the pub does better when I am there.

(even with my budget/beginner/entry level Pioneer, Denon, Crown and JBL equipment!! ;) ;) )

[Excalibur]

To be honest, I do pub jobs too and A1 has offended me many a time but not on this occasion...I didn't find his post offensive.
He's never offended me. He sometimes lives in an ideal world, rather than a real one, but I'll educate him yet. ;) :D


Ok lets analyze this paragraph and personalize it...

I am primarily a Pub/Club DJ.

My name is not Sid....its Martin.I do not charge £60 and I haven't seen one single fight on a Friday or Saturday this year....and i've worked most of them.Obviously the Pubs are not smoke filled anymore ....because of the smoking ban.I am fully legit....Pat tested,PLI,TAX and NI...etc etc...so why are you critiscizing my end of the market when I haven't had a swipe at yours.
Because of my exposure in these places I get bookings in some of the nicest places you could wish to work in....but its normally because people have seen me working in the flesh rather than on the gallery of a website;)
Not sure we were criticising. I know of what you speak. ;)


I don't doubt that, but given the choice (as Martin suggested) on say a Saturday night.. it's likely the hotel/private booking would pay more :)

That's the phrase. Given the choice. If there's no private available, then even a pub gig's got to be better than being forced to watch X-Factor.

[Danno13]

Danno....you're 23......I'm 51.

I'm not feeding my family with what I earn....they left about five years ago....get my drift.

You need to get into bed with Rob:eek: ....he's my age and he still thinks MONEY ROCKS...LOL:eek:

Sorry, I'm obviously not old enough to have an opinion or business head.

Now then, if you'd like to pop your glasses on for a second, I'll repeat what I said.



Depends on your situation. In most cases the pub wouldn't be paying as much, so I'd sooner have a crap night than a great one which didn't earn me enough to pay the bills.

(Yes.. it's all about the money before you mention that again )

I'm not feeding a family either, but unless you're working 5-6 nights a week DJ-ing in pubs, you ain't going to net enough to even take home a Mc-burger-hut salary :D

[Shakermaker Promotions]

Well...maybe I am lucky then!??

I would much rather be doing a 'pub gig' and earning something ( a lot more than £60.00 by the way) and also seeing friends and socialising at the same time than sitting at home doing nothing and earning nothing.

[soundtracker]

Sorry, I'm obviously not old enough to have an opinion or business head.

Now then, if you'd like to pop your glasses on for a second, I'll repeat what I said.



I'm not feeding a family either, but unless you're working 5-6 nights a week DJ-ing in pubs, you ain't going to net enough to even take home a Mc-burger-hut salary :D

Er I'm 51 as well(although I fail to recognise the pertinence!) and I agree with you completely Dan.

[StarZSoundS]

You said there what I was trying to say so thanks!
At the end of the day - Those gigs are just as good as adverts because people get to see what we do in the flesh (as you said).



If the private bookings are thin on the ground (they're not) then the 'pub gigs' help fill the gaps and they would give me more too more likely. I'm not using them, they're not using me...it's all about the money at the end of the day and paying the bills. I earn more if I do a private booking, the pub does better when I am there.




Admire you for being honest.....:beer1: :beer1: :beer1:

Fights...that is a ridiculous staement.Watch the T.V....all the Cops shows show that the fights are happening outside nightclubs not pubs....Shaker have you seen one in a pub this year??

I could have similair misconceptions about A1DL's corporate business but wouldn't air them here for fear of embarassing myself:eek:

[Penfold42]

I could have similair misconceptions about A1DL's corporate business but wouldn't air them here for fear of embarassing myself:eek:

I wouldn't worry about that - you've already done that one. :sj:

[Excalibur]

Well...maybe I am lucky then!??

I would much rather be doing a 'pub gig' and earning something ( a lot more than £60.00 by the way) and also seeing friends and socialising at the same time than sitting at home doing nothing and earning nothing.
Snap. :D

[StarZSoundS]

Sorry, I'm obviously not old enough to have an opinion or business head.

Now then, if you'd like to pop your glasses on for a second, I'll repeat what I said.



I'm not feeding a family either, but unless you're working 5-6 nights a week DJ-ing in pubs, you ain't going to net enough to even take home a Mc-burger-hut salary :D

5 X £120 = £600(before Tax and NI)....Its not solicitors wages but enough to keep a doddery old :Censored: like me in Humbugs and Deep Heat.

By the way.....I WELCOME YOUR OPINION....it can sometimes be very balanced..:beer1:

[Excalibur]

5 X £120 = £600(before Tax and NI)....Its not solicitors wages but enough to keep a doddery old :Censored: like me in Humbugs and Deep Heat.

By the way.....I WELCOME YOUR OPINION....it can sometimes be very balanced..:beer1:

Some of us welcome all opinions. We don't have to agree with them, but it's usually worthwhile to take note of them, and respect that opinion. ( as long as it's not totally offensive balderdash)

[StarZSoundS]

Well...maybe I am lucky then!??

I would much rather be doing a 'pub gig' and earning something ( a lot more than £60.00 by the way) and also seeing friends and socialising at the same time than sitting at home doing nothing and earning nothing.



SAYS IT ALL...;) ;) ;)


We've had our differences but agreed twice in this thread.:beer1: :beer1: :beer1:

[Excalibur]

SAYS IT ALL...;) ;) ;)


We've had our differences but agreed twice in this thread.:beer1: :beer1: :beer1:

Funny how we always find something to agree with eventually. I think I agreed with Rob once, many years ago. :D

[Danno13]

That's the phrase. Given the choice. If there's no private available, then even a pub gig's got to be better than being forced to watch X-Factor.


Well...maybe I am lucky then!??
I would much rather be doing a 'pub gig' and earning something ( a lot more than £60.00 by the way) and also seeing friends and socialising at the same time than sitting at home doing nothing and earning nothing.

Can I just point out the original post I was basing my observations on..


Furthermore ....I think most of them would rather do thier business in a fairly busy pub than entertaining 10 people from HSBC....SEE RECENT THREAD

I'm not talking about taking cheaper gigs or having a pub res to fill the quiet nights, I'm on about Martin prefering to play to a packed out pub, than do a hotel booking for 10 people. If all was equal, I would agree, but the likelyhood is the pub would be paying less, in which case I know which gig I'd rather do, regardless of the enjoyment factor.


5 X £120 = £600(before Tax and NI)....Its not solicitors wages but enough to keep a doddery old like me in Humbugs and Deep Heat.

By the way.....I WELCOME YOUR OPINION....it can sometimes be very balanced..

Conveniently forgetting to take off expenses... based on my profit margin* that would earn me circa £12-13K before tax, assuming I took no holidays throught the whole year.

*which, along with my quality of life, would probably decrease if I was working 5 nights a week.

[Excalibur]

Although there is a definite downturn in trade, this year has been my (and some others) best year ever.

It is tough out there but still markets to aim for. (I hope :D )
Hope I can find these markets then, cos round here it's been grim. Really grim. My social club, whic last year gave me at least one booking a month, and often more, has struggled with one a year!

Added to which, I've had loads of phone calls where I've been too expensive ( Me? Expensive? :eek: :eek: :eek: ) and you begin to see why I'm looking for other markets. :(


Can I just point out the original post I was basing my observations on..

I'm not talking about taking cheaper gigs or having a pub res to fill the quiet nights, I'm on about Martin prefering to play to a packed out pub, than do a hotel booking for 10 people. If all was equal, I would agree, but the likelyhood is the pub would be paying less, in which case I know which gig I'd rather do, regardless of the enjoyment factor.
.

Sorry Danno, since I missed that bit, I'll have to say that under those circumstances, I agree with you. ;)

[Dynamic Entertainment]

A good mate of mine does pubs only. Its 4 nights a week, walk-in only and each night is only 4 hours long. Thats a total of £400 for 16 hours work (for those who cant add up ;) its £25ph before tax....How many day jobs can you get on that wage with only your GCSE's? probably not many and hes happy enough doing in and earing aabout the average weeks wage up here..for half the hours most folk work.

[soundtracker]

A good mate of mine does pubs only. Its 4 nights a week, walk-in only and each night is only 4 hours long. Thats a total of £400 for 16 hours work (for those who cant add up ;) its £25ph before tax....How many day jobs can you get on that wage with only your GCSE's? probably not many and hes happy enough doing in and earing aabout the average weeks wage up here..for half the hours most folk work.

I'd still rather have the same for four hours on a Saturday:p

[Shakermaker Promotions]

StarZ - To answer your question about me seeing any fights this year at my 'pub gigs' - The answer is NO. I haven't seen any fights in them for the last 5 years to be fair.

[andyw]

i think sometimes we forget what it is like in the real world,
first i want to agree with danno it is better todo 3 gigs a week at £250 then 6 at £150, if i was full time i would aim for the 3 at 250 then fill another night with a residency at a lot lower rate(if work was not coming in i would take whatever was available to get money in).
my son is 19 he has done 2 years at college, passed he driving test owns a nice car and now has an apprenticeship and most importanly has money in the bank and owes no one anything, all of which is down to dj'ing, when he goes out doing the disco he picks up more than he does doing the 40 hrs apprenticeship(thats most occasions not every). in an ideal world we would all be earning a lot more but so would the poor guy who is working 60+ hrs a week at mcdonalds and really only just scrapping by. we are a lot better off doing this then we sometimes appreciate:)

[NKR]

I do everything from pubs to real high end Marquee stuff, so don't see what the issue is.

I prefer doing the top end stuff as it pays better and is generally an easier night, but you fill the gaps with whatever is going.

In the words of Brian "You are all different" - "I'm not" - Some of you are running businesses and some of us are pottering around doing it as a hobby, albeit in a professional way.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Threads about money are getting extremely boring now.

[StarZSoundS]

Threads about money are getting extremely boring now.



It wasnt about money Darren.


It was about somebodies foolish perception that Pubs are subjected to fights every Friday and Saturday and that everyone who DJ's in them is called Sid and charges £60.


That foolish statement came from a Corporate DJ;) :eek:

[A1DL]

It was about somebodies foolish perception that Pubs are subjected to fights every Friday and Saturday and that everyone who DJ's in them is called Sid
and charges £60.


Martin, you've completely missed the point I was trying to make.


That foolish statement came from a Corporate DJ;) :eek:

No it didn't. Don't make assumptions Martin.

[StarZSoundS]

I'm sure we've done this one before on here :Sleeping:

I don't believe the smoking ban has had any effect whatsoever on the wedding or corporate sector, or for that matter any worthwhile part of the mobile disco market.

If it has stopped people going out to grotty, (formerly smoke-filled) dives of pubs, where £60 sid was in his element and fights were pretty much a guaranteed feature of Friday & Saturday nights, then surely that can only be a good thing.... if they haven't already done so, they'll soon close up and be turned into drive through fast food restaurants or knocked down for residential redevelopment.


Take amother look!!:confused:

[A1DL]

Take amother look!!:confused:

Amother look at what, Martin? I'm fully aware of what I posted, and make no apologies if you dislike the purposely exagerrated stereotypical scenario I'd used to make my point....

My point being; I couldn't care less about the smoking ban, it has had no impact on my business, and from reading posts from many members on this forum, it has not affected many of them either.

Also, to clarify, I am not a "corporate DJ", contrary to your suggestion.

[Excalibur]

Amother look at what, Martin? I'm fully aware of what I posted, and make no apologies if you dislike the purposely exagerrated stereotypical scenario I'd used to make my point....
Exaggerate? You? Surely not? :confused: ;) :D
I'd gladly drive the bulldozer over some I've worked in. ;)




My point being; I couldn't care less about the smoking ban, it has had no impact on my business, and from reading posts from many members on this forum, it has not affected many of them either.
I'm vehemently anti smoking, but I hate the ban more. The only bonus for me is my clothes don't smell like an ashtray next morning.


Also, to clarify, I am not a "corporate DJ", contrary to your suggestion.

Suggestions as to what Tony is to the usual places please. ;) :D :D :D :D

[rob1963]

my son is 19 he has done 2 years at college, passed he driving test owns a nice car and now has an apprenticeship and most importanly has money in the bank and owes no one anything, all of which is down to dj'ing

That's quite easy to achieve at the age of 19.

Wait till he has a mortgage & a family!