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12-03-2010, 11:33 PM

Volume can be dangerous just because something can go that high doesn't mean should run them that high. I had a pair of mackies and in the 4 years I owned them never once let them clip or even came close.

Prehaps you should read this http://www.hse.gov.uk/noise/employers.htm as the person in control of the volume you could be held accountable should damage have occured.

discomobiledj

13-03-2010, 12:37 AM

It could just be a bug that's going round. I feel really I'll at the moment and I haven't been anywhere near loud music or dodgy Mackies!

Mark Wild

13-03-2010, 12:49 AM

Your PLI up to date? lol, why you clipping the life out of Mackies for 12 year olds you muppet lol.

DJ Jules

13-03-2010, 06:31 AM

Hmmmmmmm.... as someone who suffers from positional vertigo (i.e. I get dizzy without warning) and has been for every test on the planet and is extremely susceptible to anything which can make you dizzy. I can honestly say that volume doesn't normally have an impact on me. Bear in mind the inner ear is responsible for balance, and that's normally more affected by changes in temperature, alcohol, etc than it is by Sound Pressure.

By the way, I've just been told that the kids at the 13yr olds birthday party one of my guys did last night were drinking alchopops!!

Julian

BeerFunk

13-03-2010, 08:18 AM

Quite unbelieveable, because I've heard SRM 450s V1&2 in a variety of setups, often driven hard, and they never sound 'appalling'. They must be faulty.

OllieJames

13-03-2010, 08:23 AM

Quite unbelieveable, because I've heard SRM 450s V1&2 in a variety of setups, often driven hard, and they never sound 'appalling'. They must be faulty.

Agreed. Even when I've done no EQing to my V1s they sound nice. Scoop some of the mid out to make it less harsh and they sound lush.

Also, excuse my 'censored french' but how the :Censored: did they clip?!?!?! Mine have NEVER clipped, even when stupidly loud in large venues :eek:

Excalibur

13-03-2010, 08:31 AM

Agreed. Even when I've done no EQing to my V1s they sound nice. Scoop some of the mid out to make it less harsh and they sound lush.

Also, excuse my 'censored french' but how the :Censored: did they clip?!?!?! Mine have NEVER clipped, even when stupidly loud in large venues :eek:

Clipping? Bad input signal? Garbage in, garbage out.
Impedance/signal voltage mismatch? :confused:

OllieJames

13-03-2010, 08:35 AM

Clipping? Bad input signal? Garbage in, garbage out.
Impedance/signal voltage mismatch? :confused:

admitally I had them loud (clipping at some points)

They must have been ridiculously loud!!! I would suggest you get them looked at, Charlie. Because any V1s (including my own) or V2s I've heard certainly haven't sounded 'parrot' like as you describe.

wensleydale

13-03-2010, 08:51 AM

How do you get yourself into these situations?
Would suspect that the speakers are unlikely to be the cause- never heard of it in my time doing mobile work or crewing for gigs.
The question arises that if they sounded terrible why were you pushing them hard?

Rowleys

13-03-2010, 09:09 AM

sound like you have your out put gain is way to high.

also did you get the speakers new.. Sound one could of changed the driver with some crap and sold them on.

Set your audio in your house and test them..

soundtracker

13-03-2010, 09:27 AM

Not familiar with Mackies - but is there a mic/line in button, and have you selected the right option? Just a thought as on my actives, this can cause a nasty din!

OllieJames

13-03-2010, 09:29 AM

Charlie, following on from what soundtracker said...

How far up did you have the volume/gain dial up on the back of the Mackie's?

djsteve10

13-03-2010, 09:32 AM

The SRM450 is a loud cabinet anyway. I have never clipped any of my Mackies and even with out doing so they are still pretty loud.

You must of been running some serious volume to get them to clip??

theoloyla

13-03-2010, 10:22 AM

I think it is much more likely that people in a confined space have caught a virus from one another. I have heard of sound causing temporary deafness but never nausea and I have been in the business for over 40 years. Lighting is much more likely to disorient than sound. If it wasnt for your Dad being ill then I would say you were being wound up. Stop pannicking and start thinking logically. Are these people ringing you up accusing you of causing their illness? If so they need to visit a doctor/hospital and get medical evidence of their condition and put a written claim in against you which you can then pass to your insurance company.
As for sound generally. My equipment may be old and unfashionable but the quality of my sound is superb. Dont run things into clipping and distortion - its not nice.

Penfold42

13-03-2010, 10:24 AM

No, there wasn't any food - admitally I had them loud (clipping at some points) but the sound of them was just laughable ... like parrots.

I can't believe people are going to hospital, or being dizzy and having nose bleeds etc
CLIPPING Charlie.....my god these must have been wound all the way over.....

They must have been ridiculously loud!!! I would suggest you get them looked at, Charlie. Because any V1s (including my own) or V2s I've heard certainly haven't sounded 'parrot' like as you describe.
Never heard this before at all.....

Not familiar with Mackies - but is there a mic/line in button, and have you selected the right option? Just a thought as on my actives, this can cause a nasty din!
This sounds like it......

Charlie, following on from what soundtracker said...

How far up did you have the volume/gain dial up on the back of the Mackie's?

They should be at 12 o'clock.......do not go into Mic.

After all that.....i've still not heard of this. Should have come round to mine and had a demo , at least you would have seen what to do.:)

flatliners

13-03-2010, 11:01 AM

Excalibur

13-03-2010, 11:21 AM

After all that.....i've still not heard of this. Should have come round to mine and had a demo , at least you would have seen what to do.:)

What not to do , more like. ;) :p :D :D :D

It's got to be a setting problem, wrong input/output mic/line or similar.

Tom

13-03-2010, 12:37 PM

These must be of been turned right up. :eek:

The amount of times I have done large school fields and needed the output from the V2's, I have never clipped them at all.

As Tony has said, 12 oclock, this should be maximum for the work you guys do.

Charlie Brown

13-03-2010, 12:43 PM

Right,

Literally just woke up - calm - tea and pancakes at the ready. :approve:

At the start of the night, when I had a few minutes to spare, I was messing around with different songs, because I had literally never used the Mackie's before in my life.

Baker Street sounded great, until I notched the mixer up, and it sounded a bit squarky. (The dial on the back of the Mackies were at 12 o clock)

Anyhow, playing different tunes, I came to the conclusion I defiantly needed a bass bin ASAP.

I admit, it was very loud and at certain points throughout the night the red light was permanently on (until I noticed and notched the mixer down)

Standing behind them wasn't so bad - and when a member of staff went white and said she had to sit in her car outside, we all put it to her having a bug.

Then Dad called and told me he had been violently ill everywhere, which was very odd, because he was perfectly fine an hour ago.

I have spoken to the people who were a tad concerned and they are feeling better today. My ears have stopped ringing and I'm no longer in pain. When I turned the volume down at the end of the night (whilst packing away) I realise how loud it actually was - like, mind blowing. It's all bad habit - I'm a regular at this school, and my old setup always used to verge on clipping, so I guess I presumed it sounded pretty much the same.

I think my problems were:

I didn't know how to set them up properly (EQ etc) My old speakers didn't really need a tweaking.
They were far too high on the stands, so it was sounding top heavy.
It was in a drama studio with carpeted floor and (sound absorbing things?) on the walls?

In Iraq sound is a weapon - Due to my error, so were the Mackie's last night!

DJ James Lake

13-03-2010, 01:12 PM

Its always hard to tell the volume level behind the decks, you need to go out and check during the night.

Solitaire Events Ltd

13-03-2010, 02:13 PM

If you were clipping them and had the red light on for a lot of time Charlie, you really need to limit yourself. I owned Mackies and they are loud, but there is no need for that to happen. Full stop. Sorry, but I think it's rather amateur of you to run speakers that hard and it's things like this that get us a bad name.

People wouldn't be ill cos of a pair of speakers either.

I wish you'd slow down and think about what you are doing. Listen to speakers in different places and get used to them rather than just blasting them out.

Charlie Brown

13-03-2010, 02:31 PM

People wouldn't be ill cos of a pair of speakers either.
I wish you'd slow down and think about what you are doing. Listen to speakers in different places and get used to them rather than just blasting them out.

I wouldn't go that far. They aren't THAT loud. It couldn't of sounded unbearably loud as I still had a full dance floor regardless. A lot of the sound was absorbed by the thick carpet and the things on the walls.

Your right though, they shouldn't be clipping.

I wish you lot had heard them - it was really squarky - even when turned down.

The mind can do funny things and in doing so unbalance the body. I personally felt sick.

Solitaire Events Ltd

13-03-2010, 02:37 PM

I wouldn't go that far. They aren't THAT loud. It couldn't of sounded unbearably loud as I still had a full dance floor regardless. A lot of the sound was absorbed by the thick carpet and the things on the walls.

Your right though, they shouldn't be clipping.

I wish you lot had heard them - it was really squarky - even when turned down.

The mind can do funny things and in doing so unbalance the body. I personally felt sick.

Sorry Charlie, but I really don't the speakers will have had anything to do with it.

One minute you are saying they aren't that loud and the next you are saying that people are being ill and the cabs are something to do with it. Doesn't really make sense. I use Mackies for over a year and never had a problem.

It sounds like to me you really need to reign in the volume. I remember when you helped me you said you ran your speakers a lot louder....;)

Charlie Brown

13-03-2010, 02:43 PM

One minute you are saying they aren't that loud and the next you are saying that people are being ill and the cabs are something to do with it. Doesn't really make sense. I use Mackies for over a year and never had a problem.

Oh, I wish I could explain myself.

I don't think it was the volume that made people ill - it was the squarky sqeeky terrible sound they made. Like high pitched supersonic war sound. Glee, Don't Stop Belevin' sounded like a small baby being placed on a giant cactus.

I believe Tony had just spoke to Dad (thinking it was my mobile) and Dad has explained to him the noise and how it made him ill.

funkymook

13-03-2010, 03:17 PM

Was it the same coming out of both speakers? Was there any bass at all? I'd start checking the mixer - what mixer do you use? Possibly phono outputs used, crossover frequency set, kill buttons or eq, filters? All obvious things I know, and you've probably checked them already but always best to start with the obvious and work up.......

Solitaire Events Ltd

13-03-2010, 03:20 PM

Glee, Don't Stop Belevin' sounded like a small baby being placed on a giant cactus.

To be fair it sounds like that anyway. :sj:

OllieJames

13-03-2010, 03:21 PM

To be fair it sounds like that anyway. :sj:

:lol: :Laugh:

Mark Wild

13-03-2010, 03:28 PM

It's making me ill now, thinking of how loud and distorted you had them poor V1's, shouting "Come on I wanna hear you !!!" down the mic, awful lol.
Good to see you didn't permanently damage any punters though Charlie, chin up, on wards and upwards mate.

StarZSoundS

13-03-2010, 03:49 PM

OllieJames

13-03-2010, 03:52 PM

You actually need these nights as part of the learning curve.

When I first started I thought I was invincible....

Until I turned up for a Wedding with only Amplifier!!

The rest is History.......and still part of my worst nightmare.

You'll identify the problem....and you'll make sure you never make the same mistake again....hopefully!!

It wasn't actually a 'mistake' as such, but I was at a gig - had set everything up and was ready for a sound check.

The venue in question is pretty tatty, and after looking at the power points was glad I wasn't using subs as it looked like if I did use them, the main venue lights would have gone out!

Anyway - started the sound check then all of a sudden the Mackie's cut out... So I though ahh :Censored: there's not enough power getting to them! Anyway, 20 minutes went by of running around finding different power points, changing cables etc. Finally, I checked the back of the cabs to find that someone had pressed the timed cut-out button :bang:.

Excalibur

13-03-2010, 03:55 PM

It wasn't actually a 'mistake' as such, but I was at a gig - had set everything up and was ready for a sound check.

The venue in question is pretty tatty, and after looking at the power points was glad I wasn't using subs as it looked like if I did use them, the main venue lights would have gone out!

Anyway - started the sound check then all of a sudden the Mackie's cut out... So I though ahh :Censored: there's not enough power getting to them! Anyway, 20 minutes went by of running around finding different power points, changing cables etc. Finally, I checked the back of the cabs to find that someone had pressed the timed cut-out button :bang:.

Once worked in a venue that was "Pre-facelift". ;) ;) ;) ;) Five 13amp wall sockets, but none with any power! :bang: :bang: I had to share with the one armed bandit. :eek:

StarZSoundS

13-03-2010, 04:03 PM

It wasn't actually a 'mistake' as such, but I was at a gig - had set everything up and was ready for a sound check.

The venue in question is pretty tatty, and after looking at the power points was glad I wasn't using subs as it looked like if I did use them, the main venue lights would have gone out!

Anyway - started the sound check then all of a sudden the Mackie's cut out... So I though ahh :Censored: there's not enough power getting to them! Anyway, 20 minutes went by of running around finding different power points, changing cables etc. Finally, I checked the back of the cabs to find that someone had pressed the timed cut-out button :bang:.

The problem is for a lot of people in that situation all rational thinking goes out of the window!!

The symptoms are...
Profuse sweating,short temperedness and your bum-cheeks clasped so tight together you couldn't get a fag-paper between them!!

I'm getting the wave of nausea again....just thinking about it.....

OllieJames

13-03-2010, 04:08 PM

The problem is for a lot of people in that situation all rational thinking goes out of the window!!

The symptoms are...
Profuse sweating,short temperedness and your bum-cheeks clasped so tight together you couldn't get a fag-paper between them!!

I'm getting the wave of nausea again....just thinking about it.....

That sounds pretty accurate, Martin ;) :D

BeerFunk

13-03-2010, 04:11 PM

So the sound was that high-pitched/distorted that it made people feel ill... yet you had a full dancefloor? Doesn't add up.

djsteve10

13-03-2010, 04:34 PM

Just a thought, Was the Contour button on the back of the speakers pressed in or out?

CONTOUR EQUALIZATION
Adds a gentle (3dB) boost below 100Hz and above 12kHz. It's handy when the SRM450 is used as a recorded music playback device. In live applications, it also provides extended bass and high-frequency performance without requiring you to excessively increase SPL levels.

That may help.

Pe7e

13-03-2010, 04:38 PM

I'm assuming you bought the new V2 Mackies, did you realise they have 2 switches on the back, one is a 'conture' switch that boosts the high and low frequencies to 'brighten' the sound, the other is a low pass cut, it cuts the very low frequencies, have you got these set suitably?

Charlie Brown

13-03-2010, 04:40 PM

Should the buttons me out or in? I had them out....

Pe7e

13-03-2010, 04:42 PM

I'm not sure, try them in both positions

OllieJames

13-03-2010, 04:43 PM

Should the buttons me out or in? I had them out....

Should have been fine then.

The low-pass is enitiated when the button is pressed in, like-wise with the contour.

Penfold42

13-03-2010, 06:12 PM

I believe Tony had just spoke to Dad (thinking it was my mobile) and Dad has explained to him the noise and how it made him ill.
I did..(nice guy BTW :) )..he also said you didn't have enough time to sound check - you really need to do this (from the other side of the booth). I take 3 sound checks. Low, Med and High.....I've never got to high....but I know where it is.

Should have been fine then.

The low-pass is enitiated when the button is pressed in, like-wise with the contour.

:agree:

Charlie Brown

13-03-2010, 06:32 PM

I did..(nice guy BTW :) )..

Cheers :approve:

Did he make you laugh?

Penfold42

13-03-2010, 06:40 PM

Cheers :approve:

Did he make you laugh?

Yeah he did.....he told me what a twonk you were......:sj:

andyw

13-03-2010, 06:54 PM

Yeah he did.....he told me what a twonk you were......:sj:

perhaps he could post on here so we can all have a laugh, i am surprised no one asked you to turn the volume down charlie , or did they but you couldn't hear them:). i think you have learnt another valuable lesson

Penfold42

13-03-2010, 06:59 PM

perhaps he could post on here so we can all have a laugh, i am surprised no one asked you to turn the volume down charlie , or did they but you couldn't hear them:). i think you have learnt another valuable lesson

Hang on - I said that in jest.......I was trying to find out what happened. His dad was just as confused as what Charlie was.....He's still none the wiser as to what went on.

andyw

13-03-2010, 07:01 PM

Hang on - I said that in jest.......I was trying to find out what happened. His dad was just as confused as what Charlie was.....He's still none the wiser as to what went on.

i thought you did

Penfold42

13-03-2010, 07:10 PM

Tom

13-03-2010, 11:40 PM

Nobody read the manual that comes with the speakers then? :bang: lol

Penfold42

13-03-2010, 11:49 PM

Nobody read the manual that comes with the speakers then? :bang: lol

What's a manual........LOL.....but you are right. :D :D :D :D :D

Tom

14-03-2010, 12:13 AM

What's a manual........LOL.....but you are right. :D :D :D :D :D

I know I am. ;) :D :D :D

Excalibur

14-03-2010, 06:51 AM

What's a manual........LOL.....but you are right. :D :D :D :D :D

You're not apprised of the mantra some of us live by? :confused: :confused:

" When all else fails, read the instructions!" :D :D :D :D

Corabar Steve

14-03-2010, 09:05 AM

Low frequencies are far more likely to make somebody ill, although I believe that it would have to be considerably lower than that given off by your average disco system.

MagicMusic

14-03-2010, 02:23 PM

Low frequencies are far more likely to make somebody ill, although I believe that it would have to be considerably lower than that given off by your average disco system.

I agree - I think that a continous tone around 6 or 7 hz played at extreme levels (I'm talking ridiculous aircraft hanger size system) will make the average human lose their faculties causing uncontrollable vomiting and a release of the bowels.

Nice.

I'm sure your Mackie's aren't capable of this, as good as they are :)

P.S I was told this as part of an amusing acoustics lesson where we discussed using sound as a weapon and i'm sure a fair amount of creative licence was involved! Tony A1 could perhaps enlighten us as to the exact facts?

Steve James

14-03-2010, 03:06 PM

Sorry, but I think it's rather amateur of you to run speakers that hard and it's things like this that get us a bad name.

I was just thinking the same thing. I also have the mackie V1's as well as the swa 1501 subs & have never sent them to clip and as for the sound making guests ill....utter twoodle! More than likely a strobe or similar left on all night.

Tom

14-03-2010, 04:48 PM

I agree - I think that a continous tone around 6 or 7 hz played at extreme levels (I'm talking ridiculous aircraft hanger size system) will make the average human lose their faculties causing uncontrollable vomiting and a release of the bowels.

Nice.

I'm sure your Mackie's aren't capable of this, as good as they are :)

P.S I was told this as part of an amusing acoustics lesson where we discussed using sound as a weapon and i'm sure a fair amount of creative licence was involved! Tony A1 could perhaps enlighten us as to the exact facts?

Another term is called the brown note.

7hz of brown noise at 140-150spl is supposed to.......well, you know.......it's called the brown note for a reason. lol

YouTube- The Brown Note Clip

Tony Scott

14-03-2010, 06:14 PM

Just a thought.....you weren't using an amplifier to drive these actives were you Charlie, you did run a line level signal directly from your mixer, not an amplified signal from an amp ? I'm only asking coz this would definately cause the 'squarky' sound you experienced and nobody has asked. I just want to make sure you fully understand the concept of active speakers?

I'm probably wrong but it's worth asking, yes? :)

As for the people being ill because of it........pile of male cow crap!!

Charlie Brown

14-03-2010, 06:18 PM

Yes yes, two xlr's from my mixer -

I seriously think people were ill due to them (because I did myself) or maybe the lighting - the room was pitched black (drama room) so they had greater effect.

Tony Scott

14-03-2010, 06:26 PM

Yes yes, two xlr's from my mixer -

I seriously think people were ill due to them (because I did myself) or maybe the lighting - the room was pitched black (drama room) so they had greater effect.

Good! :)

People being sick because of a dodgy sounding pair of actives....sorry I don't buy it.

The lighting?.....more likely, that combined with the smell of sick and a kind of hysteria, that could do it?

ppentertainments

14-03-2010, 06:28 PM

*refraining from commenting for fear of upsetting people* :mad:

Charlie Brown

14-03-2010, 06:32 PM

The lighting?.....more likely, that combined with the smell of sick and a kind of hysteria, that could do it?

Yeah, your probably right - again that was tame. Two led par can's 64, few led lights, kam laser, storm birds...nothing to get worried about.

*refraining from commenting for fear of upsetting people* :mad:

Explain?

Tony Scott

14-03-2010, 06:33 PM

*refraining from commenting for fear of upsetting people* :mad:

Just go on and say it......someone has to! :D

Corabar Steve

14-03-2010, 06:41 PM

Just go on and say it......someone has to! :D
I can always delete it if it's not acceptable

DazzyD

15-03-2010, 07:25 PM

In Iraq sound is a weapon - Due to my error, so were the Mackie's last night!

You're talking about Non-Lethal Weapons here and, believe me, your Mackies ain't gonna come close no matter how bad the sound is!

Low frequencies are far more likely to make somebody ill, although I believe that it would have to be considerably lower than that given off by your average disco system.

Having studied modern warfare and including the aforementioned Non-Lethal Weapons I would actually disagree. The really dangerous frequencies used in this type of warfare are "ultrasonic" which is defined as "Sound whose frequency is above the upper limit of the range of human hearing (approximately 20 kilohertz)". Steady projection of sound at these frequencies can cause nausea, sickness, severe headaches, nosebleeds, burst eardrums to name a few systems. The so-called "Sonic Gun" uses these frequencies at a lower concentration to disorientate the target by making his eyeballs vibrate! Ouch!

Oh, and the term Non-Lethal Weapons is a bit misleading as this technology has been known to kill! :eek:

But I'd still be suprised if Mackies can produce this effect!

P.S I was told this as part of an amusing acoustics lesson where we discussed using sound as a weapon and i'm sure a fair amount of creative licence was involved! Tony A1 could perhaps enlighten us as to the exact facts?

It's definately real and has been used as a weapon by the British Military since the 90s.

But I don't think Charlie's insurance company has much to fear! ;)

Shaun

15-03-2010, 09:11 PM

Is there any forum members that live close to Charlie? Perhaps someone can visit and hear the speakers. I'd be intrigued to hear others opinions on the sound.

Tony Scott

15-03-2010, 09:24 PM

Is there any forum members that live close to Charlie? Perhaps someone can visit and hear the speakers. I'd be intrigued to hear others opinions on the sound.

It's probably just that he's not used to proper HF compression drivers, I believe up till now he's only used peizos....:D :D

Solitaire Events Ltd

15-03-2010, 10:08 PM

Is there any forum members that live close to Charlie? Perhaps someone can visit and hear the speakers. I'd be intrigued to hear others opinions on the sound.

Bring them for a visit to Reading and I'll have a listen. ;)

Charlie Brown

15-03-2010, 10:23 PM

Bring them for a visit to Reading and I'll have a listen. ;)

That is a very tempting offer although I didn't think I would be welcome again after a few of my un-necessary outbursts.

However, the Easter holidays are coming up. :eek: :eek: :eek: ;) :D

Solitaire Events Ltd

15-03-2010, 10:25 PM

That is very tempting offer although I didn't think I would be welcome again after a few of my un-necessary outbursts.

However, the Easter holidays are coming up. :eek: :eek: :eek: ;) :D

Don't be silly, of course you'd be welcome. I'm not sure you'd get them on the train though...:sj:

Charlie Brown

15-03-2010, 10:31 PM

I'm sure I could arrange something.

You have a pretty decent sized garden don't you - tomorrow, when you can, grab some white paint and draw a huge circle with a "H" in the middle.

You'l know when I decide to visit. ;) :sj:

DJ INDIE

16-03-2010, 03:11 PM

Charlie, it may be your cable (s) from your mixer to your mackies are wired wrong.
They may have their polarities reversed at one end of the cable. This would cause phase problems.

Try swapping ib a new cable, see if ut makes a difference.

Charlie Brown

16-03-2010, 03:13 PM

I will do.

Thank you all so much for the help.

I'm out again this weekend - I have arranged with the venue to get their 30 minutes before the planned time, so I can have a play around with cables, knobs ;), dials, music etc.

I may do a video (doubt I will have time) so failing that, I will give you guys a brief report. :approve:

Penfold42

16-03-2010, 08:51 PM

Is there any forum members that live close to Charlie? Perhaps someone can visit and hear the speakers. I'd be intrigued to hear others opinions on the sound.

Feel free if you want to bring them over here to sound out Charlie - I've the V1's and V2's so if you need a comparison......help yourself. :)

Excalibur

16-03-2010, 08:59 PM

Feel free if you want to bring them over here to sound out Charlie - I've the V1's and V2's so if you need a comparison......help yourself. :)

What's that proverb about visually challenged teaching visually impaired? ;) :D :D

Corabar Entertainment

16-03-2010, 09:09 PM

Shouldn't it be aurally, not visually? ;)

Charlie Brown

16-03-2010, 09:14 PM

Thank you Tony.

That's a really kind offer - especially after I messed you around!

I will speak to Dad and see what he says - could be a nice day out in the Easter holidays. :)

Penfold42

16-03-2010, 09:16 PM

Thank you Tony.

That's a really kind offer - especially after I messed you around!

I will speak to Dad and see what he says - could be a nice day out in the Easter holidays. :)

Anytime Charlie.....no problem here. :)

Excalibur

16-03-2010, 09:17 PM

Shouldn't it be aurally, not visually? ;)

I've not heard a proverb about the deaf leading the deaf. :whistle:

Penfold42

16-03-2010, 09:20 PM

I've not heard a proverb about the deaf leading the deaf. :whistle:

Watch it you - i've still got a bag of goodies round here....WHICH i'm taking a considerable amount of sick about......binmen usally come on a Monday......:p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p ;) :D

Corabar Entertainment

16-03-2010, 09:50 PM

I've not heard a proverb about the deaf leading the deaf. :whistle:As I typed that reply, I knew that would be the response! :lol:

Charlie Brown

20-03-2010, 11:03 PM

After a fantastic gig tonight......I love them.

Sounded super. A tad "echoy" due to size of the room (old barn) but when they aren't too loud the bass is pretty decent.

The mixer went into the red once and the speakers didn't clip once.

Whilst packing away, I had a quick mess around with different tunes, Four Tops, Luther Van-dross (Darren ;), Paloma Faith, Phil Collins, DJ Quicksilver, Supergrass - all sounded super.

A bass bin wouldn't have gone a miss though....

OllieJames

21-03-2010, 07:40 AM

Alchemy

21-03-2010, 09:00 AM

Glad you sorted things out Charlie, what was the issue in the end?
I also own Mackie V2's and although they perform brilliantly on their own in small venues, for anything larger I always use my bass bin.

Excalibur

21-03-2010, 10:54 AM

Glad you sorted things out Charlie, what was the issue in the end?I also own Mackie V2's and although they perform brilliantly on their own in small venues, for anything larger I always use my bass bin.

Guess he must have not pressed the Parrot button this time. :D :D :D

Penfold42

21-03-2010, 10:55 AM

Guess he must have not pressed the Parrot button this time. :D :D :D

:lol:

Out of intrest - what did you do different from the other gig?

Excalibur

21-03-2010, 11:02 AM

:lol:

Out of interest - what did you do different from the other gig?

The $64,000 question. ;)
1) He doesn't know.
2) He does know, and daren't tell, for fear of ridicule.
3) Penmare now desperately wants to know, in case he accidentally does it himself. :eek:

Penfold42

21-03-2010, 11:07 AM

The $64,000 question. ;)
1) He doesn't know.
2) He does know, and daren't tell, for fear of ridicule.
3) Penmare now desperately wants to know, in case he accidentally does it himself. :eek:

I think number 1 and 2 maybe the answer.....as for 3........

:handbag: :moon:

Alchemy

21-03-2010, 02:44 PM

Guess he must have not pressed the Parrot button this time. :D :D :D

Blimey, I've never noticed that button before! Mystery solved :D

Charlie Brown

21-03-2010, 03:22 PM

Out of intrest - what did you do different from the other gig?

I didn't turn it up so ridiculously loud it made peoples ears hurt and throw up?

That was the bottom end of it.

I also turned the trebble down a tad and the bass up. :approve:

Corabar Steve

21-03-2010, 03:36 PM

Sound frequences produced from a set of mackies WILL NOT make people throw up, no matter how hard you push them

Solitaire Events Ltd

21-03-2010, 03:40 PM

You're wasting your breath Steve.

Corabar Steve

21-03-2010, 03:44 PM

A) not enough db
B) frequencies not low enough

(may as well waste it some more)

Corabar Entertainment

21-03-2010, 05:46 PM

Blimey, I've never noticed that button before! Mystery solved :DHe he... gave me a good giggle :lol:

Excalibur

21-03-2010, 05:49 PM

Sound frequences produced from a set of mackies WILL NOT make people throw up, no matter how hard you push them

Make me throw up if he played R'N' Bilge. ;) :( :( :( :(

Corabar Steve

21-03-2010, 06:03 PM

That's not the sound as such.

It's more psychological than physical

Charlie Brown

21-03-2010, 06:10 PM

You're wasting your breath Steve.

Charming. :confused:

Anyway, maybe it wasn't the sound that was causing sickness, but your not wasting your time.

I listen and take heed of all advice from this forum.

Corabar Entertainment

21-03-2010, 06:15 PM

but your not wasting your time. YOU'RE :Censored:

(ie ...but you are not wasting your time.)

Corabar Steve

21-03-2010, 06:20 PM

I listen and take heed of all advice from this forum.

YOU'RE :Censored:

(ie ...but you are not wasting your time.)
Evidently not. :sj:

:bang: FGS! YOU'RE = YOU ARE. YOUR = BELONGING TO YOU. :sj:

How hard is it to comprehend????????? Quick rule, if you can substitute "you are" in place of you're or your in a sentence & it still makes sense, use you're. If the sentence becomes nonsense, then it's your.

EG Do you supply all the kit to you are DJ's or is it their own? X

Do you supply all the kit to your DJ's or is it their own? :thumbs_up: :sj::sj:

Charlie Brown

21-03-2010, 06:27 PM

There are people on this forum with far worse English than myself.

Stop picking on me!

:sofa:

Corabar Steve

21-03-2010, 06:29 PM

Well make a bloody effort then! :sj::sj::sj:

Charlie Brown

21-03-2010, 06:30 PM

Well make a bloody effort then! :sj::sj::sj:

I am!

I'm not called "dyslexic" for nothing. :D :sj:

Corabar Entertainment

21-03-2010, 06:33 PM

You aren't the only person I have pulled up on this (even today), but you are the only person who has done it several times today!

I have said it before, we all make mistakes from time to time, but I feel that every poster has an obligation to make an effort. It is basic manners and courtesy to fellow forum members.

Those people who don't make any effort whatsoever, I simply give up reading.

Saying other people are worse, doesn't mean you shouldn't make an effort (and I mean a generic 'you' here, not specifically 'Charlie').... and that goes for everything in life.

Corabar Entertainment

21-03-2010, 06:35 PM

I am!

I'm not called "dyslexic" for nothing. :D :sj:Sorry Charlie, but that reply REALLY annoys me: what we are talking about here has NOTHING to do with dyslexia. :mad: :mad:

Charlie Brown

21-03-2010, 06:37 PM

I have said it before, we all make mistakes from time to time, but I feel that every poster has an obligation to make an effort. It is basic manners and courtesy to fellow forum members.

I give up sometimes. :bang:

I copy and paste all my posts onto Microsoft Word (to spell check) before submitting them on the forum because I find spelling etc quite hard.

I will try to remember the difference between "your" & "you're" but I honestly don't do it intentionally or because I "can't be bothered"

Corabar Entertainment

21-03-2010, 06:38 PM

I give up sometimes. :bang: You're not the only one.

Charlie Brown

21-03-2010, 06:39 PM

Sorry Charlie, but that reply REALLY annoys me: what we are talking about here has NOTHING to do with dyslexia. :mad: :mad:

.....I know.

It was a joke I used to have with other members when I first started on the forum a year or two ago. (because my spelling and punctuation was atrocious)

Corabar Steve

21-03-2010, 07:02 PM

Google toolbar has a spell checker, that you can use without doing any copying & pasting.

That said, it isn't a grammar checker so it won't help you with your you're problem. (THE BASIC RULE THAT I POSTED IN THE OTHER THREAD & QUOTED ABOVE WILL)

Charlie Brown

21-03-2010, 07:03 PM

Okay, thanks Steve.

I will give it a go. :)

Alchemy

21-03-2010, 07:17 PM

Anyone seen the topic?

Where did it go? :cool:

Corabar Steve

21-03-2010, 07:27 PM

We sorted that about 3 pages ago

Solitaire Events Ltd

21-03-2010, 11:37 PM

Charming. :confused:

Anyway, maybe it wasn't the sound that was causing sickness, but your not wasting your time.

I listen and take heed of all advice from this forum.

Then why did you mention that it was the sound making people sick long after we had established it wasn't?

That's why I said he was wasting his breath, 'cos you posted it again....:bang:

Charlie Brown

21-03-2010, 11:39 PM

You say people are wasting their breath - yet you can't explain why so many people were I'll.

Solitaire Events Ltd

21-03-2010, 11:42 PM

You say people are wasting their breath - yet you can't explain why so many people were I'll.

I can tell you it wasn't the speakers.

I am not a doctor or a scientist.

DeckstarDeluxe

21-03-2010, 11:43 PM

maybe it was all the cheese??

I'll get me coat :D

Charlie Brown

21-03-2010, 11:44 PM

I can tell you it wasn't the speakers.

I am not a doctor or a scientist.

You can't be a 100% sure. Very loud volume in a smallish room constantly for 2 hours, could potentially cause illness.

Corabar Steve

21-03-2010, 11:46 PM

You say people are wasting their breath - yet you can't explain why so many people were I'll.
Something in the water? Dodgy buffet? Legionaires disease? Who knows?

The one thing it wasn't is your speakers unless you use them as a chopping board or loo seat & everyone there licked them.

Solitaire Events Ltd

21-03-2010, 11:46 PM

You can't be a 100% sure. Very loud volume in a smallish room constantly for 2 hours, could potentially cause illness.

As has been explained, only lower frequencies can do this. A lot lower than Mackies can go.

Corabar Steve

21-03-2010, 11:50 PM

You can't be a 100% sure. Very loud volume in a smallish room constantly for 2 hours, could potentially cause illness.
No it couldn't! Not at the volume & frequencies produced by a pair of Mackies.

I have actually read up a fair bit on sound as a weapon & your mackies WILL NOT MAKE PEOPLE ILL even if they are pushed to their limits.

As has been explained, only lower frequencies can do this. A lot lower than Mackies can go.
A lot lower than mackie bass speakers can go

Solitaire Events Ltd

21-03-2010, 11:52 PM

Very loud volume in a smallish room constantly for 2 hours, could potentially cause illness.

Alright, I'll humour you. How could this make people vomit?

Charlie Brown

21-03-2010, 11:52 PM

Something in the water? Dodgy buffet? Legionaires disease? Who knows?
.

That's the thing. There wasn't a buffet or smoke machine being used. Dad heard them loud for 10 minutes and that was enough.

As has been explained, only lower frequencies can do this. A lot lower than Mackies can go.

But yes, maybe you're* right. Sorry for going on about it. They are fine now so that's what matters. :approve:

* Please tell me that's the correct one.

Charlie Brown

21-03-2010, 11:57 PM

Alright, I'll humour you. How could this make people vomit?

It was a confined dark space and I think with the aid of a strong strobe light it made me people feel a bit giddy. Dad however wasn't subjected to the strobe. I felt I'll, teachers felt I'll, kids felt I'll. A girl went home disorianted and walked into her bedroom door giving her a severe nose bleed.

High pitched loud music in a confined space-could make people feel I'll.

Having your ears ringing can cause physcological problems, therefore making you feel I'll. Simualr to when your on a plane and your ears pop - it can make some people feel nausa.

soundtracker

21-03-2010, 11:59 PM

It was a confined dark space and I think with the aid of a strong strobe light it made me people feel a bit giddy. Dad however wasn't subjected to the strobe. I felt I'll, teachers felt I'll, kids felt I'll. A girl went home disorianted and walked into her bedroom door giving her a severe nose bleed.

High pitched loud music in a confined space-could make people feel I'll.

Having your ears ringing can cause physcological problems, therefore making you feel I'll. Simualr to when your on a plane and your ears pop - it can make some people feel nausa.

That spell-checker broken then!

Charlie Brown

22-03-2010, 12:01 AM

That spell-checker broken then!

Yes, I'm in bed, on my phone.

soundtracker

22-03-2010, 12:03 AM

Yes, I'm in bed, on my phone.

Well get to sleep, you're obviously over tired!

Corabar Steve

22-03-2010, 12:04 AM

That's the thing. There wasn't a buffet or smoke machine being used. Dad heard them loud for 10 minutes and that was enough.I was being flippant with my options for causes. My point is it could be any number of things.

But yes, maybe you're* right. Sorry for going on about it. They are fine now so that's what matters. :approve: He is right.

* Please tell me that's the correct one.:banana: :banana: :banana:

Simualr to when your on a plane and your ears pop - it can make some people feel nausa.^But not here^

It was a confined dark space and I think with the aid of a strong strobe light it made me people feel a bit giddy. Dad however wasn't subjected to the strobe. I felt I'll, teachers felt I'll, kids felt I'll. A girl went home disorianted and walked into her bedroom door giving her a severe nose bleed..Now I feel we're closer to the cause. Strobing can cause nausea among other things.
http://www.ehow.com/facts_4843263_strobe-light-effects-humans.html

Your dad may just have had a bug.

Charlie Brown

22-03-2010, 12:12 AM

Your probably right Steve - but it dosnt explain so why so many people complained of "ringing" ears.

Solitaire Events Ltd

22-03-2010, 12:16 AM

Your probably right Steve - but it dosnt explain so why so many people complained of "ringing" ears.

Ringing ears, is otherwise know as tinnitus. (http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Tinnitus/Pages/Introduction.aspx)

This will not make people sick though Charlie.

Charlie Brown

22-03-2010, 12:21 AM

Okay okay.

Dad being ill may have been a fluke.
The girl with the nose bleed probably had a reaction to the strobe.
The others (including myself) may have found the music too loud which caused ringing in their ears.

I can tell I'm annoying/begining to get on your nerves now, so we can leave it at that.

:approve:

Solitaire Events Ltd

22-03-2010, 12:24 AM

Corabar Entertainment

22-03-2010, 12:24 AM

The girl with the nose bleed probably had a reaction to the strobe....or walking into an immoveable object might have had something to do with it....
...girl went home .... and walked into her bedroom door giving her a severe nose bleed.:lol:

Charlie Brown

22-03-2010, 12:25 AM

:sj:

Night Daz :)

Solitaire Events Ltd

22-03-2010, 12:26 AM

:sj:

Night Daz :)

Nighty night. :) :cool:

Excalibur

22-03-2010, 06:44 AM

:sj:

Night Daz :)

Nighty night. :) :cool:

Good heavens! :eek: I appear to have stumbled into an episode of the Waltons! :D :D

Corabar Steve

22-03-2010, 08:05 AM

Excalibur

22-03-2010, 08:17 AM

Notice he ignored Angela & me though. http://planetsmilies.net/vicious-smiley-1818.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)http://planetsmilies.net/not-tagged-smiley-16065.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)http://planetsmilies.net/vicious-smiley-1818.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)

Five witty ripostes spring immediately to mind.:D :D

Four of them sign my farewell note from here. :( :( So:

I'm sure he didn't do it on purpose. ;) :D