Best Mics For Vocal Sounds..

[sgldisco]

Hi, Looking to purchase a couple of microphones for vocal work..:confused:

Anyone any suggestions on what is a good quality mic with very little feedback if any??

Cheers , Steve

[yourdj]

AKG

brilliant is all i can say!!

30 hours battery from ONE AA and they sound great!

forget Kam and the likes trust me.
get a dual set as thats good for speeches etc. and as back up.

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[visualdjmax]

Shure SM58. The feedback will be from the quality of control gear that you are using!

[Mark Wild]

Shure SM58.

Yeah SM58 gets my vote too.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Yeah SM58 gets my vote too.

And mine. It's not called the Vocalist's choice for nothing.

[DazzyD]

As well as the SM58s I use PG48s for vocal work and they're cheaper too.

My only gripe with the SM58 is that it doesn't seem to like being anywhere near the Sennheisers I've got especially if you have any reverb effects applied.

[rob1963]

Shure SM58. The feedback will be from the quality of control gear that you are using!


Yeah SM58 gets my vote too.


And mine.

Another vote here.

:thumbsup:

[yourdj]

I used a shure the other day and hated it.

The batteries kept running out all the time and the light kept going red.

I really love the AKG's but as you say the Shure is an industry standard.
i can see it being useful for hitting roudy punters with as its made of metal.

[Corabar Steve]

Lead or radio mic?

[yourdj]

Lead or radio mic?

thats a very good point and one i completely missed :zip:

[Charlie Brown]

I use a PG58 and want to change to a wireless.

The feedback is horrible.

[Corabar Steve]

I've never had any problems with my PG, but then I don't go waiving it about in front of the speakers.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I use a PG58 and want to change to a wireless.

The feedback is horrible.

Changing to a wireless mic won't stop that problem. You need to change the levels on your mixer or reposition your gear.

[Charlie Brown]

Okay - I'll give it a whirl Darren. ;)

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Okay - I'll give it a whirl Darren. ;)

Try putting your Mackies higher up so that the horn is over your head.

[Charlie Brown]

Try putting your Mackies higher up so that the horn is over your head.

Never thought of that but seems like common sense.

Shouldn't the horns be at ear level for the audience?

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Never thought of that but seems like common sense.

Shouldn't the horns be at ear level for the audience?

Well, unless you go and measure everyone, then a few inches here and there isn't going to make any difference.

Anyway, back on topic.

Vocal mics...

[Corabar Entertainment]

To the OP....Just to check: you are talking about for DJs use (or punters) - ie speech, rather than 'vocal' as in 'vocalist'?

[DJMaxG]

Interesting how nobody has asked whether the OP is seeking a hand held or a powered condensor microphone. I'm guessing you are considering getting a hand held.

The quality of the microphone can affect the singer's voice, I have used cheaper mics before, and the quality of some of the plastic £1.00 type ones or the budget type lack bass, and generally aren't as powerful.

A couple of you have reccomended the SM58, which is known as 'industry standard', but isn't known for being the best vocal microphone.

It does depend whether you want leaded or wireless though, as Shure's wireless concert grade systems are totally different to the SMs and PGs. I don't think they make a leaded version of it.

It is best to try out a few connected to the PA that you will be using them primarily for, and also hook up some cheaper models so that you can weigh up the differences and form suitable comparisons between them.

[Excalibur]

Interesting how nobody has asked whether the OP is seeking a hand held or a powered condensor microphone. I'm guessing you are considering getting a hand held.

The quality of the microphone can affect the singer's voice, I have used cheaper mics before, and the quality of some of the plastic £1.00 type ones or the budget type lack bass, and generally aren't as powerful.

A couple of you have reccomended the SM58, which is known as 'industry standard', but isn't known for being the best vocal microphone.

It does depend whether you want leaded or wireless though, as Shure's wireless concert grade systems are totally different to the SMs and PGs. I don't think they make a leaded version of it.

It is best to try out a few connected to the PA that you will be using them primarily for, and also hook up some cheaper models so that you can weigh up the differences and form suitable comparisons between them.

And this morning's award for most sensible post goes to Max G. Well done that man. :approve: Not wholly pearls of wisdom, but got the salient points most everybody else missed in their haste to recommend SM58's.

And the only other person who asked the right questions was Angela.

To the OP....Just to check: you are talking about for DJs use (or punters) - ie speech, rather than 'vocal' as in 'vocalist'?
Well done also, though you being correct is less of a surprise than when Max is. ;) :D :D


Changing to a wireless mic won't stop that problem. You need to change the levels on your mixer or reposition your gear.
Agreed.

Try putting your Mackies higher up so that the horn is over your head.
It's a mobile disco, not a Yoga class! :p :D :D Absolutely correct though.


Footnote: According to some of our members who live nearer the capital than I do, a cabled SM58 is ideal for use as a crowd control measure. I can confirm that the wireless version is uselesss in that role.

[sgldisco]

Lead for singers..

I have a dual set of W-Audio TPT-202 radio mics which I use for Myself, Speeches and Backup.

Quite good they are too....

Looks like Shure SM or PG 58's then??

[yourdj]

Looks like Shure SM or PG 58's then??

AKG! :p

[Excalibur]

Lead for singers..

I have a dual set of W-Audio TPT-202 radio mics which I use for Myself, Speeches and Backup.

Quite good they are too....

Looks like Shure SM or PG 58's then??


AKG! :p

Or if you want quality, Sennheiser. :p :D :D

Seriously, whatever you fancy, you must use it before parting with your hard earned. Different mics suit different people. I have cabled SM58 and Wireless SM58, but they're not my favourites. ( I must say, I know they use the same capsule, but I prefer the sound of my wireless to the cabled one. Weird? ) Don't rule out JTS, they're reliable, I have Audio Technica and like them. Trantec/Sennheiser Freeport are very good for the money.

If I had to pick a brand to use barring all others, Sennhesiser would come out top. ( Very damaging to the pocket for the top grade ones, sadly. )

[MagicMusic]

SM58, which is known as 'industry standard', but isn't known for being the best vocal microphone.

Are you for real?

The SM58 is the international go - to mic for vocals in a live performance situation. It is the industry standard for a reason. Its frequency response is specifically tailored to "enhance" vocal clarity.

http://www.shure.com/stellent/groups/public/@gms_gmi_web_us/documents/web_resource/site_img_us_rc_sm58_large.gif

There is a fairly flat response until around 2 / 2.5 khz before peaking at around 5 / 7khz where it begins to tail off, there is then a second little boost around 10khz which adds a little artificial 'air' to the sound. This is because the human voice is present at these frequencies. It therefor stands to reason that it is an obvious choice for vocals.

It has gained its reputation because of its performance and its extremly hard wearing and rugged build quality.


Also, why the hell are you comparing 'hand - held' and 'powered condenser' mic's? I'm sure if you look a little closer you'll find that there are hand - held, powered condenser microphones out there.

The 2 most common types of mic are dynamic and condenser. Both have different qualities, dynamic mic's can handle much higher sound pressure levels whereas condenser mic's require less pressure to reproduce sound and can pick up more subtle differences.

Anyway back to OP - Shure SM58. The professionals choice for a reason. Hard working, hard wearing, and great sounding.

EDIT: Ebay was flooded with fake 58's a while back so beware if you find any going cheap.

[Babybob]

I think Max has a valid point regarding the Shure SM58 not being the best vocal mic but it is certainly the best with regards to being cost effective.

I saw a solo vocalist a few weeks ago and he had a Sennheiser mic (not sure which model) and it cost him £800, I asked him about the SM58 and Shure enough (sorry) he had owned one when he started out but because he was becoming more popular he decided to invest in the Sennheiser which suited his voice, he said there was no comparison, whereas the SM58 was very good the Sennheiser blew it away.

:)

[MagicMusic]

I think Max has a valid point regarding the Shure SM58 not being the best vocal mic but it is certainly the best with regards to being cost effective.

I saw a solo vocalist a few weeks ago and he had a Sennheiser mic (not sure which model) and it cost him £800, I asked him about the SM58 and Shure enough (sorry) he had owned one when he started out but because he was becoming more popular he decided to invest in the Sennheiser which suited his voice, he said there was no comparison, whereas the SM58 was very good the Sennheiser blew it away.

:)

I don't think anyone is suggesting that the SM58 is the best mic in the world - far from it but as far as quality vs value for money and suitability for on the road use is concerned, it is the obvious choice.

At £800 the vocalist you were talking to was probably using a good studio mic which would probably need to be treated with kid gloves.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

as far as quality vs value for money and suitability for on the road use is concerned, it is the obvious choice.



Agreed.

[ppentertainments]

However......... Each individual will suit different microphones.

I have a SM58 for disco where little mic work is needed. However for race nights use a JHS (??) - not JTS - mic I bought about 10 years ago. I find this mic suits my voice more and much prefer it over the SM58. I use a mic a LOT during race nights.

I have been looking for a place to tryout microphones as looking for a decent wireless mic, but would prefer to try out first.

[Corabar Entertainment]

Several signers that I know all swear by Sennheiser, and wouldn't use anything else. However, they all use wireless versions rather than leaded.

Their range of mics does come in a wide variety of prices, so you don't have to spend £800 to get a good sound, but as others have mentioned, different mics suit different people.

[Excalibur]

Are you for real?

The SM58 is the international go - to mic for vocals in a live performance situation. It is the industry standard for a reason. Its frequency response is specifically tailored to "enhance" vocal clarity.

http://www.shure.com/stellent/groups/public/@gms_gmi_web_us/documents/web_resource/site_img_us_rc_sm58_large.gif

There is a fairly flat response until around 2 / 2.5 khz before peaking at around 5 / 7khz where it begins to tail off, there is then a second little boost around 10khz which adds a little artificial 'air' to the sound. This is because the human voice is present at these frequencies. It therefor stands to reason that it is an obvious choice for vocals.

It has gained its reputation because of its performance and its extremly hard wearing and rugged build quality.


Also, why the hell are you comparing 'hand - held' and 'powered condenser' mic's? I'm sure if you look a little closer you'll find that there are hand - held, powered condenser microphones out there.

The 2 most common types of mic are dynamic and condenser. Both have different qualities, dynamic mic's can handle much higher sound pressure levels whereas condenser mic's require less pressure to reproduce sound and can pick up more subtle differences.

Anyway back to OP - Shure SM58. The professionals choice for a reason. Hard working, hard wearing, and great sounding.

EDIT: Ebay was flooded with fake 58's a while back so beware if you find any going cheap.

And I can show you a £20 micropohone with a better flatter response than the Shure, built equally as robustly, which I use for Karaoke. Does that make it better than an SM58? Of course not. The Shure is accepted as standard, because it's robust, reliable, and of acceptable quality, not because it's the best.


I think Max has a valid point regarding the Shure SM58 not being the best vocal mic but it is certainly the best with regards to being cost effective.
I saw a solo vocalist a few weeks ago and he had a Sennheiser mic (not sure which model) and it cost him £800, I asked him about the SM58 and Shure enough (sorry) he had owned one when he started out but because he was becoming more popular he decided to invest in the Sennheiser which suited his voice, he said there was no comparison, whereas the SM58 was very good the Sennheiser blew it away.

:)
Agreed with all of that.


However......... Each individual will suit different microphones.
I have a SM58 for disco where little mic work is needed. However for race nights use a JHS (??) - not JTS - mic I bought about 10 years ago. I find this mic suits my voice more and much prefer it over the SM58. I use a mic a LOT during race nights.

I have been looking for a place to tryout microphones as looking for a decent wireless mic, but would prefer to try out first.
ther's an echo in here. ;) :D


Several signers that I know all swear by Sennheiser, and wouldn't use anything else. However, they all use wireless versions rather than leaded.

Their range of mics does come in a wide variety of prices, so you don't have to spend £800 to get a good sound, but as others have mentioned, different mics suit different people.

With reverb. ;) :D :D I'd suggest model 825 upwards for a cable mic. I'd love to try 845 onwards one day.

Edit: Hey Angela, if they're signers, why do theyneed a mic? :confused: :p :D :D

[Steve the DJ]

Funnily enough I have been thinking of stopping using my SM58 Radio Mic for speeches because everyone apart from me seems unable to get their mouth close enough to it when speaking for it to actually pick anything up... :bang:

[MagicMusic]

And I can show you a £20 micropohone with a better flatter response than the Shure, built equally as robustly, which I use for Karaoke. Does that make it better than an SM58? Of course not. The Shure is accepted as standard, because it's robust, reliable, and of acceptable quality, not because it's the best.

You've completely misinterpreted my post! (You wouldn't want a flat response from a vocal mic for starters) I stated quite clearly why it is the industry standard and didn't once suggest it was the best.

The fact of the matter is that it is the most commonly used mic for live performance across the world. It is fairly inexpensive and incredibly hard wearing - all points I've already stated.

In my opinion, the suitabilty for the application matches perfectly.

[DJ INDIE]

I have used sennheiser 825e and 835e excellent clarity for speeches etc - you can get these for £50-£100 (the prices vary ridiculously from shop to shop).

great for under £100.
excellent for £50

[Charlie Brown]

I'm bidding on Toby's mic on eBay.

After watching his videos - I like the sound.

[A1DL]

Are you for real?

The SM58 is the international go - to mic for vocals in a live performance situation.

No, it is not. It is a microphone that, irrespective of one's ability and experience, it's not difficult to get a reasonable sound out of, whatever you put it on (vocals or instruments), it's virtually indestructable, doubles up nicely as a Birmingham screwdriver, it's very cheap and of course familiar to performers and technicians at all levels and it has been around for over 25 years.

However if I'm mixing an act I haven't worked with before, I'll generally opt for Beta 58as for stage vocal mics, I like to work with the brighter sound and higher gain before feedback that they offer.

UHF-wise, Sennys every time. Unless the rider specifies otherwise, I'll always opt for EW500 handhelds. Their rich sound and amazingly high GBF is incredible. Even when (as was the case last week), the talent goes off stage onto the dancefloor and is belting it out just a few feet from the FOH stacks, not a hint of feedback. And that's with FOH (Q series) totally flat and the parametrics on the vox channels virtually flat too.

[TonyB]

Having worked with quite a few bands, solo artists and tribute acts in last couple of years, I cannot remember the last time I saw any of them using an SM58! They were very popular in the 80's and a few die hard still like to keep the memory of them alive. They are a solid mic that can take a bashing and handy to keep a spare in case you need a hammer one day :) but as for being the industry standard these days, there are better about. They are not very sensitive which does help reduce feedback and are probably best suited to someone with a loud voice or rock artists who like to scream down a mic. I would dispute that you could give one to anyone and get a half decent sound from them as they have a small pickup area and the sound fades quickly as you move away from it. Best used hand held and kept close to the mouth. Consequently not the best mic. to give out for speeches where the user is not used to using a mic. Hire companies still love 'em because they can take a bashing.

By far the most popular mics I see used these days are the Sennheiser's - EW835 and EW935 wired and the Freeport wireless. A good SM58 equivalent that is very difficult to tell the difference with is the Behringer XM8500, a bit more sensitive though but costs just £20.

[A1DL]

I would dispute that you could give one to anyone and get a half decent sound from them as they have a small pickup area and the sound fades quickly as you move away from it. Best used hand held and kept close to the mouth.

My statement was in the context of;

- The performer/s knowing how to use the tool/s they are being given. I wouldn't show a drummer how to tune his/her kit and similarly can't recall ever having to show a vocalist how to use a microphone.

- The technician/engineer being unfamiliar with the talent, having not worked with them previously and possibly not even had the opportunity to sound check them before doors.

[Excalibur]

You've completely misinterpreted my post! (You wouldn't want a flat response from a vocal mic for starters) I stated quite clearly why it is the industry standard and didn't once suggest it was the best.

The fact of the matter is that it is the most commonly used mic for live performance across the world. It is fairly inexpensive and incredibly hard wearing - all points I've already stated.

In my opinion, the suitabilty for the application matches perfectly.
All I'm saying is that in my opinion, Max was pretty much ( not totally, but mainly ) bang on with his original post. The flak you gave him was undeserved. I still stand by that.


No, it is not. It is a microphone that, irrespective of one's ability and experience, it's not difficult to get a reasonable sound out of, whatever you put it on (vocals or instruments), it's virtually indestructable, doubles up nicely as a Birmingham screwdriver, it's very cheap and of course familiar to performers and technicians at all levels and it has been around for over 25 years.

However if I'm mixing an act I haven't worked with before, I'll generally opt for Beta 58as for stage vocal mics, I like to work with the brighter sound and higher gain before feedback that they offer.

UHF-wise, Sennys every time. Unless the rider specifies otherwise, I'll always opt for EW500 handhelds. Their rich sound and amazingly high GBF is incredible. Even when (as was the case last week), the talent goes off stage onto the dancefloor and is belting it out just a few feet from the FOH stacks, not a hint of feedback. And that's with FOH (Q series) totally flat and the parametrics on the vox channels virtually flat too.
:youdaman: :youdaman: Thanks Tony, nice to see I'm lining up with folk like you. ;)


Funnily enough I have been thinking of stopping using my SM58 Radio Mic for speeches because everyone apart from me seems unable to get their mouth close enough to it when speaking for it to actually pick anything up... :bang:
Even when you specifically tell them that! :( :( :(
" I'm holding it in my hand, down by my side, why can't everybody hear me? ":confused: :bang: :bang:



By far the most popular mics I see used these days are the Sennheiser's - EW835 and EW935 wired and the Freeport wireless. A good SM58 equivalent that is very difficult to tell the difference with is the Behringer XM8500, a bit more sensitive though but costs just £20.

Funny you should mention that one Tony, I wonder who else alluded to it earlier? :whistle: I went off to buy an SM58, and on the way there someone sold me the Berry, with the sales line that it would beat an SM58. It doesn't beat it, but by jove you wouldn't exist long on the difference!

[sgldisco]

Decided on sennheiser for myself but not sure if the e835 or e845??

E845 Is A High Performance SUPER Cardioid Lead Vocal Microphone..:confused:

Anyone tell me what one is best??

For the abuse my customer mics take, Think the behringer XM8500 has that vote

Cheers..:D

[MagicMusic]

Decided on sennheiser but not sure if the e835 or e845??

E845 Is A High Performance SUPER Cardioid Lead Vocal Microphone..:confused:

Anyone tell me what one is best??

Cheers..:D

Super cardiod just refers to the polar pattern of the mic. A super cardiod microphone is more sensitive to sound arriving directly to the front ( and front sides) of the capsule and will have a reduced pick up of sound from the rear.

Like this - http://www.jiscdigitalmedia.ac.uk/images/mg17supercardioid.jpg

[Excalibur]

Decided on sennheiser for myself but not sure if the e835 or e845??

E845 Is A High Performance SUPER Cardioid Lead Vocal Microphone..:confused:

Anyone tell me what one is best??

For the abuse my customer mics take, Think the behringer XM8500 has that vote

Cheers..:D

wise choice in my humble opinion. Super cardioid tends to mean it's more directional, less prone to picking up off axis noise, but also very quiet if you get far away from it. I have an 825, and I'd be happy with either of the two you mentioned.

[yourdj]

I'm bidding on Toby's mic on eBay.

After watching his videos - I like the sound.

Yay :) They are good for the money. I got a dual set for £160 or so brand new. Lucky buy really.

[Charlie Brown]

Yay :) They are good for the money. I got a dual set for £160 or so brand new. Lucky buy really.

I'll let you know how I do.

:approve:

[DJ INDIE]

E825s like Excalibur says is in my opinion is a great mic for the money.

When looking at 835s etc just remember to check whether they have ON/OFF switch. I'm sure my mate got and 835 and it didn't have a switch which is annoying if you're used to one.

[Excalibur]

E825s like Excalibur says is in my opinion is a great mic for the money.

When looking at 835s etc just remember to check whether they have ON/OFF switch. I'm sure my mate got and 835 and it didn't have a switch which is annoying if you're used to one.

As far as I can tell/remember, without the -S suffix, it's unswitched.

[sgldisco]

Yeah, Thats correct Excalibur..... I have bought 2 x 845-s, So can't wait for them to arrive..:D

Surely better sounding than the skytronics lol....:eek: :eek:

[Excalibur]

Yeah, Thats correct Excalibur..... I have bought 2 x 845-s, So can't wait for them to arrive..:D

Surely better sounding than the skytronics lol....:eek: :eek:

Mmmmmmmmmm, nice. Let us know how you like them.

[A1DL]

When looking at 835s etc just remember to check whether they have ON/OFF switch. I'm sure my mate got and 835 and it didn't have a switch which is annoying if you're used to one.


switches on mics are the work of the devil and should be banned :cool:

[ppentertainments]

switches on mics are the work of the devil and should be banned :cool:
Even for normal mobile disco usage :confused: :confused:

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I prefer a switched mic.

[ppentertainments]

I prefer a switched mic.
Must admit I have never used an unswitched mic, but think it would be difficult without the switch.

[DJ INDIE]

me too - again, the quality issue will come into it for how 'silent' the switch is - the Senny is great for that.

I find it a lot easier and smooth to have the mic at a comfortable volume, switch it on and know youre not too quiet, too loud or going to get feedback.

that way confidence is high.

i find its quite difficult to use an unswitched mic - trying to speak whilst turning up the volume/mic controls with one hand and listening and looking to see if the audience can hear you clearly at the same time. especially if your sound goes up during the night you dont want to be guessing where a good level is.

[Excalibur]

switches on mics are the work of the devil and should be banned :cool:
I know whereof you speak. ;)

Even for normal mobile disco usage :confused: :confused:


I prefer a switched mic.

And I can see where you're coming from, but with a kill switch on the mixer, it's only necessary to have one on the mic body when you're working solo, and mingling with the punters.

For punter use, unswitched wins every time. DJ use, I'll grudgingly allow it.

[ppentertainments]

And I can see where you're coming from, but with a kill switch on the mixer, it's only necessary to have one on the mic body when you're working solo, and mingling with the punters.

For punter use, unswitched wins every time. DJ use, I'll grudgingly allow it.
I don't get where your coming from, as I say never used unswitched mics though.
How can unswitched win for punter use ?? Surely you can just leave it turned on and control from the mixer if switched, then you have the versatility if 'flying solo' and not standing behind your mixer all night.

[Charlie Brown]

Just brought a SM58 off eBay.

Looking forward to noticing the difference.

:beer1:

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Just brought a SM58 off eBay.

Looking forward to noticing the difference.

:beer1:

You did make sure it wasn't a fake didn't you?

How much did you pay?

[Charlie Brown]

Yeah yeah...

It's second hand and just been used for home recording.

£63 including postage.

[Excalibur]

I don't get where your coming from, as I say never used unswitched mics though.
How can unswitched win for punter use ?? Surely you can just leave it turned on and control from the mixer if switched, then you have the versatility if 'flying solo' and not standing behind your mixer all night.

Cos the :Censored: muppets can't mess with the switch. I'm sat behind the mixer with a bank of kill switches. Power mad, but in control. :D

The only reason for switched, like I said, is to get among the hoi polloi, and be able to mute it as required. I'm sure I couldn't have put it more simply or clearly.

My modus operandi, which may now be distinctly unfashionable, is to have a cable mic on a stand for me. Permanently switched on at source, with kill button on mixer. Two radio mics on second channel,which also has a kill switch, one AT usually for punters, with a switch that's hard to find. SM58 for me, and the main reason for the switch on that is to keep the battery alive. :D :D

[ppentertainments]

Cos the :Censored: muppets can't mess with the switch. I'm sat behind the mixer with a bank of kill switches. Power mad, but in control. :D

The only reason for switched, like I said, is to get among the hoi polloi, and be able to mute it as required. I'm sure I couldn't have put it more simply or clearly.

My modus operandi, which may now be distinctly unfashionable, is to have a cable mic on a stand for me. Permanently switched on at source, with kill button on mixer. Two radio mics on second channel,which also has a kill switch, one AT usually for punters, with a switch that's hard to find. SM58 for me, and the main reason for the switch on that is to keep the battery alive. :D :D
Will take your word for it :)

[DJMaxG]

Switches on microphones are essential, it's much more convinient than locating the fader and sliding it up and down every time you wish to speak, on a board mixer.

It works well for handheld :)

[yourdj]

I prefer a switched mic.

do you know why you do not have vol controls on mics as I often
have to go back to the booth to turn it up or down as I like walking around the crowd.

It would be so much easier on the mic.

[Excalibur]

Switches on microphones are essential, it's much more convinient than locating the fader and sliding it up and down every time you wish to speak, on a board mixer.

It works well for handheld :)

No Max, please read what people post. I never touch a fader after I set it up at the beginning of the night.

Kill switch.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

do you know why you do not have vol controls on mics as I often
have to go back to the booth to turn it up or down as I like walking around the crowd.

It would be so much easier on the mic.

I don't really get that Toby? Once you have tested the mic, you should have the volume set correctly anyway.

[DJMaxG]

I don't really get that Toby? Once you have tested the mic, you should have the volume set correctly anyway.

That's exactly what I was about to say. Each microphone should be set to specific volumes determined by the user's voice.

[sgldisco]

Well Folks, My 2 Sennheiser E845s mics have arrived and they are absolutely fantastic.:) :)

No joke, They sound clear & I have lost that ridiculous bassy noise when you say certain words and absolutely NO feedback..

Many thanks to all concerned on this because AGAIN this forum has come to my rescue....

Its a very true saying that You get what you pay for..

I would never have dreamt of spending this amount of money on mics but to anyone else out there, Don't even consider the purchase, DO IT....

Regards, Steve......:D

[Charlie Brown]

I love my SM58.

Really pleased with it. :approve:

[OllieJames]

I use Shure SM58 Beta Wireless (same as Darren) and love it. I also use wired SM58s in some situations.

From a singing point of view, my mum uses a wireless Sennheiser, can't remember the model, but it was around £600/£700, and it's a fantastic mic, but is too warm for some venues, and even with some EQing isn't clear enough in some venues. Therefore, we bought a Shure 87a and it's an amazing mic - LOVE IT! Handheld condensor mic, as used on countless live DVDs and CDs (including Michael Buble's latest DVD).

[Charlie Brown]

I use Shure SM58 Beta Wireless (same as Darren) and love it. I also use wired SM58s in some situations.


I don't think Darren uses that. He uses a Shure SM58 Wireless. ;)

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I don't think Darren uses that. He uses a Shure SM58 Wireless. ;)

Correct - Ollie has the more expensive version. ;)

[Charlie Brown]

Is there much difference between the two?

What does the BETA stand for? :shrug:

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Is there much difference between the two?

What does the BETA stand for? :shrug:

Bloody expensive (Darren) Thomas adds....:D

[DJMaxG]

What does the BETA stand for? :shrug:

Usually (for software), it is a version of the software that has been launched to test out, before the main version is released.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Usually (for software), it is a version of the software that has been launched to test out, before the main version is released.

Have a day off Max...:bang:

[A1DL]

Is there much difference between the two?


The SM58 has a cardiod pickup pattern, the Beta 58a is supercardioid.




What does the BETA stand for?

I don't believe it stands for anything in this context, it is the name of a product range, the third tier up in Shure's microphone products.

[Charlie Brown]

The SM58 has a cardiod pickup pattern, the Beta 58a is supercardioid.

I don't believe it stands for anything in this context, it is the name of a product range, the third tier up in Shure's microphone products.

Cheers Tony. :approve:

I think for Mobile Disco/Public Speaking use the SM58 is fine.

I THINK Ollie told me his parents are musicians which is why he uses that particular mic. They probably have a box of them. :sj: :D

[A1DL]

Cheers Tony. :approve:

I think for Mobile Disco/Public Speaking use the SM58 is fine.




"Public Speaking" is a broad term and with it comes some very diverse demands and challenges.

I certainly wouldn't group it together with "Mobile Disco", as far as defining different micing applications.

[Ajaysdisco]

Some links for you:
Polar Patterns (http://www.shure.co.uk/support_download/educational_content/microphones-basics/microphone_polar_patterns)

Difference between SM & Beta video (http://www.shure.co.uk/support_download/videos/products/comparison-58s)

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Difference between SM & Beta video (http://www.shure.co.uk/support_download/videos/products/comparison-58s)

Great link and explains the difference well.

I don't think I'll be using any of mine as a hammer though...

[Corabar Steve]

Have a day off Max...:bang:
Somehow that works so well with Gene Hunt as your avatar

[Shakermaker Promotions]

I have a couple of 'switchless' SM58's and a couple of 'switched' PG58's and I like them all. I have always used Shure microphones and have no problem with them at all. I also have an Audio Technica radio mic and that's good too.

I think the PG's are very good value for money as it happens.

[Jonny Boy]

Coming late to this i know. I use the Shure Beta58 for everything now.

Re: SM58


They are a solid mic that can take a bashing and handy to keep a spare in case you need a hammer one day :) Hire companies still love 'em because they can take a bashing.


There's a great youtube vid out there where they put an SM58 under a truck, actually hammer massive nails, drop it off a high-rise building onto concrete, even put it through a blender and various other mic-torture and the SM58 STILL works (although not brilliantly by the end of the trail, it still makes a noise!)


They are not very sensitive which does help reduce feedback and are probably best suited to someone with a loud voice or rock artists who like to scream down a mic. I would dispute that you could give one to anyone and get a half decent sound from them as they have a small pickup area and the sound fades quickly as you move away from it. Best used hand held and kept close to the mouth. Consequently not the best mic. to give out for speeches where the user is not used to using a mic.


I'd agree with all of this. My work used to be ALL powerful tunes, but as my range evolved, the SM didn't do the trick for everything I needed. I also found my voice exhausted after using SM for discos as they only style that seemed effective for DJing was the shouty "are you reaaaaddddyyyyyy" one! LOL



However if I'm mixing an act I haven't worked with before, I'll generally opt for Beta 58as for stage vocal mics, I like to work with the brighter sound and higher gain before feedback that they offer.


This is exactly why I now regularly use the Beta. I had to run through a client's very cheap PA last weekend and even then it sounded pretty good.

For me, it's worth the extra money. All-round, I can belt out numbers into it as I always did for those big numbers, plus I can now perform more intimate numbers...well: intimately. As said above the SM58 still needs a fair amount of breath power to sound nice, which isn't condusive to sounding hushed/breathy for a number like - for example - "Girl From Ipanema"

Also, because it's brighter I find it picks up my speaking voice more clearly, so takes less effort when announing during DJ work as my speaking voice cuts through the music so I don't have to dip to disco volume quite so much if I need to talk through intrumentals/ramp up etc.

And yet, it still rejects feedback quite well if used/EQ'd right.
So a Krankies-stylee double thumbs up from me.....

[Excalibur]

I have a couple of 'switchless' SM58's and a couple of 'switched' PG58's and I like them all. I have always used Shure microphones and have no problem with them at all. I also have an Audio Technica radio mic and that's good too.
I think the PG's are very good value for money as it happens.

Interesting. I too have one, a 2000 series, which I like also. The first radio mic I got was an AT Liberator VHF, which has been very reliable, but is not in the same league.

Steve, glad you're happy with the Sennheisers, they're quality.

[OllieJames]

Charlie! Haha! Yeah my mum's a singer. We've got something like 7 SM58s now I think, some of which are ancient!

[Excalibur]

Charlie! Haha! Yeah my mum's a singer. We've got something like 7 SM58s now I think, some of which are ancient!

I wonder who's going to ask if she's called Pearl?:confused: :D :D :D :D

[Jiggles]

There's a great youtube vid out there where they put an SM58 under a truck, actually hammer massive nails, drop it off a high-rise building onto concrete, even put it through a blender and various other mic-torture and the SM58 STILL works (although not brilliantly by the end of the trail, it still makes a noise!)
.

We have a wide selection of mics in school and the SM58s have had to be fixed numerous times now. This is just on stage not being heavy handed. Its the wires that connect the transformer in them to the head. They just break off.

[DazzyD]

Switches on microphones are essential, it's much more convinient than locating the fader and sliding it up and down every time you wish to speak, on a board mixer.

It works well for handheld :)

Switches are definitely not essential, Max, and, as Tony and Peter have said, can be a hinderance rather than a help at times.

I'm sure many of us have experienced the "One, two, one, two. Hoi! DJ! Why's this mic not working?". 'Cos I gave it to you switched on and you went and switched it back off, you pillock!

Channel "kill" buttons/switches on the mixer are more useful and are perfect for when a punter becomes abusive on the mic. Or when they're screaming down to the mic disguised as "karaoke singing"!

[Excalibur]

Switches are definitely not essential, Max, and, as Tony and Peter have said, can be a hinderance rather than a help at times.

I'm sure many of us have experienced the "One, two, one, two. Hoi! DJ! Why's this mic not working?". 'Cos I gave it to you switched on and you went and switched it back off, you pillock!
Channel "kill" buttons/switches on the mixer are more useful and are perfect for when a punter becomes abusive on the mic. Or when they're screaming down to the mic disguised as "karaoke singing"!

If I had a pint for every time that's happened, I'd be inebriated as a newt. :bang: :bang:

[DJMaxG]

Some may find a switch more convinient, whilst others may prefer to mute it on the board. But say you were a fair distance away from your equipment with the microphone giving a speech or an intro, you would apprecheate the switch being there so the crowd don't hear coughing and sipping of your drink as you're waiting to talk etc. But, I suppose that is a different scenario to a main DJ mic.

[DazzyD]

For personal use, Max, a switched mic is very useful. However, for client-use, which was my understanding of the nature of this thread (although I could be wrong) it would be unswitched all the way.

[A1DL]

Some may find a switch more convinient, whilst others may prefer to mute it on the board. But say you were a fair distance away from your equipment with the microphone giving a speech or an intro, you would apprecheate the switch being there so the crowd don't hear coughing and sipping of your drink as you're waiting to talk etc. But, I suppose that is a different scenario to a main DJ mic.

Maxwell, you want a gate, dear boy :)

[NKR]

Its been a long thread and I have only skim read it so if I missed these points earlier I apologise.

I run a vocal artist and also provide sound and light for talent (singer) competitions. I swear by Sennheiser.
I am not like Tony doing this pro so only using the EW135 G2 for radio mic and have a couple of wired 835s and 835.


Switches on microphones are essential, it's much more convinient than locating the fader and sliding it up and down every time you wish to speak, on a board mixer.

It works well for handheld :)

I no longer use the 835s as the muppets in the talent contest kept switching them off half way through a track and then standing there staring at me. Therefore no switches now!

I find the Sennheisers easy to use and fairly simple to get a good quality sound out of with good clarity.

Now the shure's I find more difficult and can't get my vocal artist to sound warm enough on them. I find them quite top endy and better suited to female vocal - just my opinion.

However, if you watch most live acts its either Shure or Sennheiser on show, so that answers your question. They are the lead choice for professional vocal applications and its down to personal preference thereafter.

QUESTION FOR TONY. The Sennheiser G1 and G2 kit would work with each other (ie my G2 handset would talk to my G1 spare receiver box). Whats the crack with the new G3 kit. Will G2 handsets communicate with G3 receivers and likewise will G3 handsets talk to G2 boxes. No-one has been able to answer this for me yet.

[A1DL]

QUESTION FOR TONY. The Sennheiser G1 and G2 kit would work with each other (ie my G2 handset would talk to my G1 spare receiver box). Whats the crack with the new G3 kit. Will G2 handsets communicate with G3 receivers and likewise will G3 handsets talk to G2 boxes. No-one has been able to answer this for me yet.

Yes... have a read of this topic, done a few months ago on BR
http://www.blue-room.org.uk/index.php?showtopic=37788

[NKR]

Thanks Tony that is very helpful.

I thought that would be the case, but was looking for clarity.

Regards