Low level fogger

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I need to buy/hire one for a December project.

Any recommendations? (Not the Mr Kool rubbish - I had one and it wasn't great)

Must be low lying fog or dry ice type effect.

[NKR]

Martin web site.

Jem Glaciator X-Stream - hire one in are the nuts for low level fog.

[Gareth]

Martin web site.

Jem Glaciator X-Stream - hire one in are the nuts for low level fog.

I would agree and was going to suggest it but the hire rates I have seen are astronomical!

[NKR]

I would agree and was going to suggest it but the hire rates I have seen are astronomical!

They aren't cheap, but then I know a man who has one, so I didn't really check the hire rates.

Having now checked I have seen one at £185 for the week.

[Gareth]

They aren't cheap, but then I know a man who has one, so I didn't really check the hire rates.

Having now checked I have seen one at £185 for the week.

Is that including the fluid?

[A1DL]

£185 hire per week is reasonable for a machine that costs circa £7k IIRC
Make sure you have a 32a supply available.

[DJ James Lake]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LE-MAITRE-PEA-SOUPER-DRY-ICE-MACHINE-Stage-Theatre-/360255871356?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CE_DJ_equip_SmokeMachines_atmospherics_ET&hash=item53e0ec597c#ht_500wt_1182

Doesn't get much cheaper than that, needs a tidy up though

[NKR]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LE-MAITRE-PEA-SOUPER-DRY-ICE-MACHINE-Stage-Theatre-/360255871356?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CE_DJ_equip_SmokeMachines_atmospherics_ET&hash=item53e0ec597c#ht_500wt_1182

Doesn't get much cheaper than that, needs a tidy up though

He wanted a low level fogger not a death ray :)

[Charlie Brown]

Bargain price though!

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

£185 hire per week is reasonable for a machine that costs circa £7k IIRC
Make sure you have a 32a supply available.

I won't be going for that one then...;)

[Charlie Brown]

With low level foggers and haze machine it seems that you either have to spend £100 odd quid on something rubbish....or £800/900+ on something that'll work.

Shame there is nothing in the middle...I wouldn't mind paying £250/300 for a decent hazer...if it worked and lasted.

That Acme rubbish I brought for a £100 is atrocious. I might write to Acme actually.

[DJ James Lake]

He wanted a low level fogger not a death ray :)

Yeah not pretty I know, but one of the best low level foggers out there. :)

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

With low level foggers and haze machine it seems that you either have to spend £100 odd quid on something rubbish....or £800/900+ on something that'll work.

Shame there is nothing in the middle...I wouldn't mind paying £250/300 for a decent hazer...if it worked and lasted.

That Acme rubbish I brought for a £100 is atrocious. I might write to Acme actually.

There is a QTX hazer which is around £200 which is supposed to be fairly good.

[WWDJ]

this one?
http://www.inta-audio.com/dj-equipment-c125/dj-lighting-c138/smoke-snow-and-bubble-machines-c148/qtx-hazer-fx1000-p3378?utm_source=froogle&utm_medium=ppc&utm_term=3384&utm_campaign=froogle#3384

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

this one?
http://www.inta-audio.com/dj-equipment-c125/dj-lighting-c138/smoke-snow-and-bubble-machines-c148/qtx-hazer-fx1000-p3378?utm_source=froogle&utm_medium=ppc&utm_term=3384&utm_campaign=froogle#3384

That's the one - a few people have been raving about them.

[Charlie Brown]

Ahhh that looks all right...

Cheers.

:approve:

P.S - I'm can't afford it though. :p

[Vectis]

That's the one - a few people have been raving about them.

+1 - very good indeed.

Longevity to be determined, but it is VERY controllable especially under DMX and can run continuously. Mounted up high it's very light on juice, too.

I've had mine around 2 months and so far 10/10.

[DJ James Lake]

+1 - very good indeed.

Longevity to be determined, but it is VERY controllable especially under DMX and can run continuously. Mounted up high it's very light on juice, too.

I've had mine around 2 months and so far 10/10.

Totally agree here although I bought the Chauvet branded version but indentical.

Very please with it indeed.

[Chris1984]

What do you want the low fog to do?
Is it just an effect dropping over a wall outside to welcome guests?
Is it going to be something the guests walk through?
will the guests be standing in it for a long time?
etc etc...

It really depend on what you are doing with it to the type/machine to use to create the effect.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

What do you want the low fog to do?
Is it just an effect dropping over a wall outside to welcome guests?
Is it going to be something the guests walk through?
will the guests be standing in it for a long time?
etc etc...

It really depend on what you are doing with it to the type/machine to use to create the effect.

The idea is to have low lying fog that the guests walk into when they first enter the room. It doesn't need to be there the whole night - just the beginning to create the effect.

[DJ Jules]

The idea is to have low lying fog that the guests walk into when they first enter the room. It doesn't need to be there the whole night - just the beginning to create the effect.

I used one of the cheapy Soundlab DMX low level foggers last Nov for a specific gig. Unfortunately in my case they wanted to create low level fog in an enclosed outdoor courtyard and on the night they had driving rain which was pushing the air down, which just drove the fog indoors. However, I moved the machine indoors into the room where I was and it produced a great low level effect - you do have to balance the output carefully though as when the fog warms up it rises so you have to keep the output low enough that it dissipates before it rises into the room.

Edit: On the plus side, I also sold the machine after Xmas for the same amount I paid for it :D

Julian

[DJ James Lake]

I used one of the cheapy Soundlab DMX low level foggers last Nov for a specific gig. Unfortunately in my case they wanted to create low level fog in an enclosed outdoor courtyard and on the night they had driving rain which was pushing the air down, which just drove the fog indoors. However, I moved the machine indoors into the room where I was and it produced a great low level effect - you do have to balance the output carefully though as when the fog warms up it rises so you have to keep the output low enough that it dissipates before it rises into the room.

Edit: On the plus side, I also sold the machine after Xmas for the same amount I paid for it :D

Julian

To do it properly you really need dry ice

[flatliners]

I need to buy/hire one for a December project.

Any recommendations? (Not the Mr Kool rubbish - I had one and it wasn't great)

Must be low lying fog or dry ice type effect.
Don't know if this will help BUT MAKE 1
YouTube- low lying fog machine demo for mobile djs - my home made box

[yourdj]

this one?
http://www.inta-audio.com/dj-equipment-c125/dj-lighting-c138/smoke-snow-and-bubble-machines-c148/qtx-hazer-fx1000-p3378?utm_source=froogle&utm_medium=ppc&utm_term=3384&utm_campaign=froogle#3384

Can you tell me if i use this at a low level in a venue with smoke detectors:

- will it be obviously visible in lowish light?
- will it set off the smoke alarms?

I am definitely considering a decent fogger as it makes allot of difference to the lights.

Im talking very subtle so it is not too noticable but makes the light beams show (especially the lasers).

[Spirits High]

Daz,

Did you get something sorted in the end?

I'm thinking of adding one for firstdances and am intrigued to know what you ended up with.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Daz,

Did you get something sorted in the end?

I'm thinking of adding one for firstdances and am intrigued to know what you ended up with.

The venue didn't come back to me Paul - I got a quote for hire, but can't remember where from or how much!

[Spirits High]

The venue didn't come back to me Paul - I got a quote for hire, but can't remember where from or how much!

No drama, thanks for the update.

I've got some feelers out at the moment ;)

[TONYTIGER]

I need to buy/hire one for a December project.

Any recommendations? (Not the Mr Kool rubbish - I had one and it wasn't great)

Must be low lying fog or dry ice type effect.

I used to use a lot of low fog effects in the 60s and early 70s in those days we used to make our own machines which were on the same principal as the pea souper which had not been invented by Mr Blake.

The pea souper is still a good machine but you have to have a supply of co2 pellets which can be hard to get.

Second option is to use a standard smoke machine and put the output through a chiller unit to drop the temp.

The professional big units work with co2 cylinders (Cirrus) and are used for TV and large scale stage productions.

The ones i used to make were much better than the one on the video and worked as good as the pea souper so if you can get the pellets delivered in your area go with that method.

[Excalibur]

The idea is to have low lying fog that the guests walk into when they first enter the room. It doesn't need to be there the whole night - just the beginning to create the effect.

Absolutely no help at all to you whatsoever, but years ago, I worked in a village hall with ekectric heaters in the roof. ( used to be very popular yaers ago ) and cos the air above my smoke machine was hotter than it was, my smoke hugged the floor at about knee level for ages.

[DJ Jules]

Absolutely no help at all to you whatsoever, but years ago, I worked in a village hall with ekectric heaters in the roof. ( used to be very popular yaers ago ) and cos the air above my smoke machine was hotter than it was, my smoke hugged the floor at about knee level for ages.

Last Halloween I worked in an ageing Youth club with a lino floor with a carpeted strip about 3' wide round the edge (and no smoke detectors) and the smoke hugged the cold lino floor in the middle of the room :D It looked really creepy, very fitting!

Julian

[charlie]

I have a pea souper for hire if anyone needs one. It brilliant, some photos attached:
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs183.snc4/37510_10150212958870527_373918035526_13617316_5133 318_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs163.snc4/37510_10150212958915527_373918035526_13617324_5379 360_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs183.snc4/37510_10150212958910527_373918035526_13617323_3477 848_n.jpg

[Starlight]

I have a pea souper for hire if anyone needs one. It brilliant, some photos attached:
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs183.snc4/37510_10150212958870527_373918035526_13617316_5133 318_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs163.snc4/37510_10150212958915527_373918035526_13617324_5379 360_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs183.snc4/37510_10150212958910527_373918035526_13617323_3477 848_n.jpg
Does it use the CO2 pallets? Or something else? I'm pretty sure they use CO2 pellets.

Neil.

[Spirits High]

I have a pea souper for hire if anyone needs one. It brilliant,

Is it simple to use?

And do you have any problems with venues saying it'll set off alarms etc?

[charlie]

Does it use the CO2 pallets? Or something else? I'm pretty sure they use CO2 pellets.

Neil.

yes it does.


Is it simple to use?

And do you have any problems with venues saying it'll set off alarms etc?

It will NEVER set alarms of as its a gas, it wont rise at all, it just disperses.

Really simple to use, fill it with water, let it warm up then pour the pellets into the basket at the top.

You then have a lever which has three settings of volume!

Once its run out, fill it up again!

The water does get pretty hot though so it would be better to keep the machine out of the way and run some dryer hose or something from it.

SIMPLES! :)

[Spirits High]

yes it does.



It will NEVER set alarms of as its a gas, it wont rise at all, it just disperses.

Really simple to use, fill it with water, let it warm up then pour the pellets into the basket at the top.

You then have a lever which has three settings of volume!

Once its run out, fill it up again!

The water does get pretty hot though so it would be better to keep the machine out of the way and run some dryer hose or something from it.

SIMPLES! :)


You may get some pm's soon on how to use it as I've just got one off fleabay for £85 :D

Do you have a linky for where you get the pellets?

[Dynamic Entertainment]

If your usng Carbon Dioxide "Dry Ice" are you not subject to COSHH under the HSE ---> http://www.coshh-essentials.org.uk/assets/live/sr25.pdf

Edit - Actually upon reading its also relevent to smoke too ;)

[Corabar Entertainment]

If your usng Carbon Dioxide "Dry Ice" are you not subject to COSHH under the HSE ---> http://www.coshh-essentials.org.uk/assets/live/sr25.pdf

Edit - Actually upon reading its also relevent to smoke too ;)Funnily enough, that's something I've been wondering for a while and earlier today finally got around to requesting a pack for a self-assessment....





.....haven't got around to reading it though!

[Dynamic Entertainment]

Funnily enough, that's something I've been wondering for a while and earlier today finally got around to requesting a pack for a self-assessment....





.....haven't got around to reading it though!

How do you request a pack Angela? On the website?

[Jiggles]

If your usng Carbon Dioxide "Dry Ice" are you not subject to COSHH under the HSE ---> http://www.coshh-essentials.org.uk/assets/live/sr25.pdf

Edit - Actually upon reading its also relevent to smoke too ;)

Common sense anyone? :bang:

[Corabar Entertainment]

How do you request a pack Angela? On the website?No, it was from one of those companies who are trying to flog their services to help make you COSHH compliant.

They were offering to send you a free pack so that you can do the basic assessments yourself, in the hopes that you will go back to them for the professional guidance.

Don't know if the pack is any use yet (as I said, haven't looked at it) but when I do, I'll post my findings on the forum. :)


Common sense anyone? :bang:ABSOLUTELY!

But doesn't that go for almost all of the H&S legislation that we have coming out of our ears?

[Spirits High]

If your usng Carbon Dioxide "Dry Ice" are you not subject to COSHH under the HSE ---> http://www.coshh-essentials.org.uk/assets/live/sr25.pdf

Edit - Actually upon reading its also relevent to smoke too ;)

Interesting read


Common sense anyone? :bang:

Indeed it is

I also found this one aswell which is to do with the transportation and handling.

http://www.boconline.co.uk/pdf_downloads/products/products_by_type/dry_ice_bcga_guidelines.pdf

[Dynamic Entertainment]

Thank you MMD...its another peice of equipment i can see a great use for and im considering getting a Pea souper myself now :o

[Spirits High]

Thank you MMD...its another peice of equipment i can see a great use for and im considering getting a Pea souper myself now :o


I think I was lucky to find one on ebay and know one else bid on it so I reckon that's an £85 bargain :D

[Dynamic Entertainment]

I think I was lucky to find one on ebay and know one else bid on it so I reckon that's an £85 bargain :D

I hate you :D

[simon1969]

So what is the official name for these smoke machines??
What makes are they then etc?
Trawled through but couldn't find any clues??!!

[Shaun]

So what is the official name for these smoke machines??

Dry Ice Machines: the kind that uses CO2 pellets.
Low Level Fogger: standard fogger that incoporates a cooler or ice compartment to cool the fog.

[simon1969]

Dry Ice Machines: the kind that uses CO2 pellets.
Low Level Fogger: standard fogger that incoporates a cooler or ice compartment to cool the fog.

O.K thanks !!!!

[csg]

effects company cirrus - ive got one and its a great little machine which only needs a 13A supply for the chiller unit and the matching smoke machine.

The cirrus also requires a Co2 supply from a gas bottle, but that is cheaper and more convenient than dry ice as it doesn't have the habit of disappearing within 24 hours!

so, try googling this unit - there are a fair number around, so you should be able to find one for hire - if not feel free to talk to me!

[Dynamic Entertainment]

I think I was lucky to find one on ebay and know one else bid on it so I reckon that's an £85 bargain :D


I hate you :D

Paul...i change my stance...ive just picked one up for the same price :D

BUT --- Theres one listed on ebay now starting at £35 :eek: local pick up though :)

[rossken]

I have just been asked about dry ice for a Vodka Ice Themed Party, so this has been a very interesting thread.

I contacted my local (ish) hire shop who told me they don't hire dry ice machines because of the Health and Safety issues. Some of these issues have already been discussed but I feel that if it is used properly and suitable care is taken that dry ice is safe to use.

However, what about insurance? Does PLI cover the use of dry ice? I'm with the Musician's Union, so has anybody else that's with them used dry ice before?

[supersound]

I have just been asked about dry ice for a Vodka Ice Themed Party

lol I have the Smirnof ice Gobo in D size.Was in my Martin PR1