PDA

View Full Version : Saturday Night - You had to laugh!



Shakermaker Promotions
03-05-2010, 11:03 AM
Hi all,

As it's bank holiday monday and it's chill out time, I thought I would 'treat' (haha) you all to another report of mine, this time from a function I did on saturday night.

I was booked to do a surprise 25th Anniversary party along with photo projection by 3 absolute stunners (the daughters, who happened to be triplets!). They did really well keeping everything a surprise and we had kept in touch over the last couple of months going through song requests and photos etc. The venue is a new purpose built hall in my town that has a nice stage etc and capacity for around (at a guess?) 300.

I had tried to visit the venue in advance to check it out but could never actually get to speak to the caretaker as he was always 'unavailable'. I was in the area on friday so popped in on the off chance of catching him and I was lucky that he was there. He was a very nice bloke and showed me around and then I noticed something that I really wasn't happy with. Up there on the wall to the side of the stage was.....a SOUND LIMITER!

I wasn't told this in advance by the girls (I did ask as I always do and I always go through the negatives about them and how they can affect the function....I also say that I won't play in venues that have Sound Limiters. This is because I worry about my equipment being damaged, the guests thinking I don't know what I am doing because the sound keeps going off etc etc)...They said they would check it out and get back to me and they did. When I spoke to the caretaker, he said that they hadn't mentioned it so now I was getting a bit of a strop on. I arranged with the caretaker to set up on saturday morning and away I went.

I decided to contact one of the girls and notify her of my concerns and explain that there was nothing that I could do with reference to the sound limiter so to be prepared. I wouldn't normally do this as I wouldn't want to worry anyone but I did it because as I always say, at every function I am advertising myself. I doubt it if the majority of the guests would know anything about the sound limiter and why should they? Maybe it's paranoia but in my view, all they would see is me mucking up because the sound would keep going off.... I hope that makes sense?

Anyway....(still awake??)....
I set up everything, soundchecked and was surprised even more when I realised that the levels on the sound limiter were set at what I would consider, a very low volume. I thought at the time that 100 guests with background noise plus music was going to set it off regularly....Anyway, everything looked cool. The projection looked great. I took my large white screen but didn't bother using it as I projected from the stage on to the back white wall and it looked huge.

Guests arrived at 7.30pm and I played some background music (the theme was Soul / Motown / 70's Disco) and the couple arrived blindfolded at 8.15pm. The idea was for them to walk into a silent room, the blindfolds would be removed and they would be in the dark...Everyone would shout "SURPRISE" and the Disco lights would come on along with 'Celebration' by Kool and The Gang. Everything was cue'd up and as the blindfolds were taken off I pressed the button to start the track....Everyone shouted "SURPRISE!!!" and the sound limiter went to red and the sound and lights cut off. Everyone stood there in the dark laughing....I felt embarassed. Within seconds the Disco lights came on and the mixer and amp but I had to power up the Denon HD2500 again and select the USB's. It felt like ages but wasn't actually that long but it was still cringeworthy for me.

I wasn't sure whether I should mention it over the mic but I did. I announced to everyone that there were sound limiters in the venue due to it being in a residential area and that the sound going off was not my fault. I also joked that it would be better if they whispered to eachother and mimed the songs rather than sing them. It became a bit of a running joke as they all cheered and laughed and again....everything went off! I got back on the mic and laughed and apologised again and the 3 girls (cor!) came over and told me not to worry about it.

The projection was a surprise to the couple too. I was asked to create a Powerpoint presentation of 10 photos. This would be accompanied by a speech by the 3 girls. It went down really well. Infact, the whole night went down really well apart from the sound going off. Lots of dancing all night. I was allowed to use smoke so the lasers and lights looked awesome in there. The last song of the night was requested by the girls which was 'The Best' by Tina Turner. We got half way through it and then the sound went off again as everyone was singing the chorus. Again, everyone laughed.

I got a huge round of applause and clapping (which set it off again at the end) and then I was approached by the couple who thanked me and asked if they could say a few words. It was a great night.

Now...a couple of other things (if you're still reading this?).

The caretaker said to me on the friday that he was prepared to turn off the sound limiter. I said that I didn't want to get him into trouble but it would be appreciated. When I got there on the saturday evening and turned everything on, he appeared and said "Right, let's turn it off then". As he pressed the switch on the front panel of it, everything went off so we worked out that there was no way around it as it was linked to the sockets I was using. He also said that he couldn't get into it to change the settings as they were locked and set by the council.

I didn't see him for most of the night but around 20 minutes before the end, he appeared and asked how everything had been going. I explained that I was lucky to have such a good crowd that understood and luckily, my equipment wasn't affected by any of it....it wasn't damaged.

It was then that he said something that just made me laugh and shake my head. He said "Between me and you, I think the socket down there at the front of the stage isn't linked up to the sound limiter as we have had Discos in here before and they have used that socket and the sound has stayed on all night...why don't you try that one?"... I couldn't believe he had told me this so late on. I couldn't swap everything over there and then as I had a full dancefloor but said that at the end when I was packing up, I would switch over to that socket and see. When we stopped halfway through 'The Best' because of the sound limiter, I got on the mic and explained that I would play one more song aftewards as I wanted to test it again. The main lights were on now aswell as the function was over.

I switched the extension for the Denon/Mixer and Amp to the one at the front of the stage and whacked the volume right up. I played 'Don't stop me now' and watched the sound limiter go straight into the red. The big orange alert light flashed too but everything stayed ON!...Typical eh!! :Censored:

I thanked everyone, said goodnight and it was allover. I actually had a steaming headache from worrying all night but I did learn a few things from this whole experience. Firstly, my confidence in my equipment has increased. I was worried that the Denon HD2500 wouldn't be too impressed with me. I thought that it wouldn't appreciate being shut down in the middle of playing a track and seek it's revenge by corrupting files or even worse...wiping the HD but it didn't (thanks!). I was also worried that the mixer and amp wouldn't appreciate it either but they were both fine. The only thing I don't like is that the Denon HD2500 takes a while to load up again.

Anyway, yesterday I received a call from one of the girls who wanted to thank me for a great night and to also book me for the triplets joint 21st birthday in a few months time......AT THE SAME VENUE!! I took the booking. Now I know how to get round it, everything should be fine.

Thanks for listening :beer1:

DJ James Lake
03-05-2010, 11:12 AM
You were really lucky your projector lamp didnt blow, they really hate not being cooled down before power is cut.

Probably the most likely piece of kit to be damaged.

Shakermaker Promotions
03-05-2010, 11:16 AM
Blimey yes, I didn't really think about that.
Next time I will use the other socket and run everything off that with surge protectors etc..

thex-faders
03-05-2010, 11:26 AM
Im not sure if its regulation but in a couple of venues with the dreaded sound limiters there has always been atleast one socket that is not linked into the limiter. But it is always annoying if the staff don't know which one it is, and with one of the local venues its in a store cupboard behind numerous chairs / spare staging etc

But worth a small climb, so that we dont get cut off everytime a small child screams or some clapping occurs.

But hey, gotta love the local council =] Glad it was a good night regardless

funkymook
03-05-2010, 11:40 AM
Sounds like a fun gig, and good getting their next party as well.

I had a sound limiter venue recently, only one set of plugs were linked to it - but all the other sockets needed an adaptor to take normal plugs! Luckily the cleaner had left one in after hoovering. Couldn't get away with totally bypassing the limiter though as the comittee member (it was that sort of place) came and checked everything, so I explained the potential problems of hard drives etc. going down and he let me run everything but the mixer through normal sockets, had to demonstrate by turning the mixer off to prove it would stop the music. Unfortunately had a drunk bongo player set up next to me and he kept tripping it - that's another story though!

Paul The Party Dj
03-05-2010, 11:52 AM
Quality post - well worth the read.
I've been told to run an extension from the kitchen or somewhere else in the building before, but I've never come across the "random socket" scenario - I'll have to watch out for that one.
What a ridiculous situation a big hall where just a couple of kids screaming could set the limiter off - "Somebody, Anybody Everybody Whisper!" just doesn't sound the same!

Cheers, Paul ;o)

NKR
03-05-2010, 01:10 PM
Sound limited don't you just love them.

There are two venues round here that have them and an extension lead off stage into the store cupboard always sorts it.

The orange light in the middle of the room actually make a nice additional effects light.

Vectis
03-05-2010, 01:20 PM
I really can't believe this thread...

... much as they are a pain in the :Censored: for DJs these things are fitted for a reason, and bypassing is not only asking for trouble for the licensee but could also risk your PLI.

Most of the limiters I've come across are sensitive to certain frequencies - any good equaliser and 10 minutes of trial & error will give you a little headroom.

Put a small UPS on your playout gear to save the reboot problem and surge protection on your more sensitive amps etc..

Make a point of announcing the problem to the crowd and ask for their understanding.

If it's set unfeasibly low, then do as Shaker did and make a joke of it. Then make a note never to go back :)

NKR
03-05-2010, 01:27 PM
I really can't believe this thread...

... much as they are a pain in the :Censored: for DJs these things are fitted for a reason,


Yes generally because some miserable sod decided to buy a house next to a venue and then complain that they played music. The rediculous changes in the law over recent years has threatened numerous venues with problems including some venues that have been providing live music for years.

The venue where I work from time to time which has a limiter was build in the late 80's. Then late 90's housing was built round it and now they have a limiter fitted. Well the neighbours can go jump!!!!

Don't buy a house next to a venue that plays music.

funkymook
03-05-2010, 01:32 PM
I really can't believe this thread...

... much as they are a pain in the :Censored: for DJs these things are fitted for a reason, and bypassing is not only asking for trouble for the licensee but could also risk your PLI.

Most of the limiters I've come across are sensitive to certain frequencies - any good equaliser and 10 minutes of trial & error will give you a little headroom.

Put a small UPS on your playout gear to save the reboot problem and surge protection on your more sensitive amps etc..

Make a point of announcing the problem to the crowd and ask for their understanding.

If it's set unfeasibly low, then do as Shaker did and make a joke of it. Then make a note never to go back :)

In my experience it's not so much my volume but the sounds I haven't got any control over - I've had loud clapping/cheering, bongo players and indian drums setting them off (not all on the same night!) - but have been happy with my own sound levels. If possible I try to only have the mixer through the sound limiter sockets to avoid the whole system turning off.

Vectis
03-05-2010, 01:44 PM
Yes generally because some miserable sod decided to buy a house next to a venue and then complain that they played music.

That's as maybe.

Pretty much in the same way that schools get built next to main roads (or vice-versa) and then up go those pesky 20mph limits :o

JTRS
03-05-2010, 10:45 PM
Is it an urban myth that if you spary hair spray on a sound limiter it then will not trigger (something to do with the hair spray stiffening up the cone?)

I'm asking out of curiousity because a few DJ's have mentioned this, and NOT because I would advocate doing it, if it is true.

JTRS

yourdj
03-05-2010, 11:08 PM
Have you got any photos of the triplets?

god that would be fantastic :)

:p


Pretty much in the same way that schools get built next to main roads (or vice-versa) and then up go those pesky 20mph limits :o

20 is plenty - No its not! (OK if there are kids all over the place though) Even 30 is bad enough. I drive at 20 into my car park.

notroubleclubber
04-05-2010, 06:09 AM
Out of interest - has anyone came across a limiter where you have to PLUG into the limiter rather than the limiter has its own mic? Its just because ive had a booking stating this and i have yet to visit the venue to check (gigs not for a few months yet).

Also im wondering, is it best to mention the sound limiter at the beginning of the gig to everyone? Im just thinking if you had some drunk idiots who decide to keep shouting or setting it off for a laugh - then again a lot of people wont know what it looks like.

Ive only ever had to use a limiter once and my amp wasnt loud enough to set it off though it was a big hall with not alot of people in it and it reached borderline sometimes.

Vectis
04-05-2010, 08:01 AM
is it best to mention the sound limiter at the beginning of the gig to everyone? Im just thinking if you had some drunk idiots who decide to keep shouting or setting it off for a laugh - then again a lot of people wont know what it looks like.


I always do. Cue the kids and drunks trying to set it off, and they sometimes succeed but after the second or third occasion they get enough peer pressure to stop :o

In these rare instances I pause the playback and look like I'm faffing for a good minute after the power comes back on even though I could in practice be up and running in a few seconds :cool:

DazzyD
06-05-2010, 01:06 PM
My pet hate with limiters is in venues with laminate flooring. When people stand up and scrape their chairs over the floor, the screech is enough to make the lights go red. :(