4 X IEC to Bulgin

[BossmanKaraokeDisco]

Ok sure someone will be able to advise, need to wire 4 IEC to a bulgin. Can anyone tell me if its ok to loop over the earths at the IEC end and just connect 2 neutrals out of the 4 as its linked at the bulgin end.
The IEC's are on the back of NJD Euro 8 unit but I need a bulgin as I am using stand mates with a bulgin plug on.
If anyone can advise I would appreciate or if you need more info

Thanks in advance:beer1:

Dave
Bossman karaoke Disco

[discomobiledj]

Like this

http://www.soundmastersdirect.co.uk/pro-light-bulgin-plug-4-x-iec-sockets-cable?source=googleps

[BossmanKaraokeDisco]

That is the same as the standmates that I use. On the back of the NJD euro 8 there are 4 female iec sockets so I have to plug 4 male iec plugs and have them come to a female bulgin. The neutral pins are looped in the standmate and so I just want to know do I have to loop the earth and neutrals or can I just feed off 1 earth into the bulgin and 2 neutrals and then the 4 lives.
I hope I am explaining this clearly
Thanks :beer1:

Dave
Bossman Karaoke Disco

[Sapphire Disco]

Like this

http://www.soundmastersdirect.co.uk/pro-light-bulgin-plug-4-x-iec-sockets-cable?source=googleps

That could add an extra dimension to my 4 led panels I will look into that as I still have my old controller from my light screen.

[A1DL]

Ok sure someone will be able to advise, need to wire 4 IEC to a bulgin. Can anyone tell me if its ok to loop over the earths at the IEC end and just connect 2 neutrals out of the 4 as its linked at the bulgin end.

Let's just clarify the terminology first, as your descriptions "IEC" and "Bulgin" are somewhat vague. I'm guessing in this context you may be talking about IEC60320/C14 male cable connectors and a Bulgin PX/0956S octal inlet.

I'm unsure what you mean by "looped" - have you a photo of the wiring you're talking about? However, to try to answer your questions, a few key points;

1. The earths from each of the four tails will be commoned at the inlet and it is important that each of the earths is connected in each C14 plug, otherwise the failure of all four plugs to be connected at all times will compromise the earthing arrangements.

2. The problem with this spider is the possibility of an exposed neutral - as the neutral is a shared pole, which constitutes a widowmaker. In soca spiders you have dedicated phase, neutral & earth pins for each tail, therefore if individual tail/s are disconnected, there is no risk of shock from a common pole, nor a dependancy on all/multiple tails to be patched to maintain the neutral and/or earth.

3. Less likely, however the consequences of point (2) above could be even nastier if someone were to connect IEC60320/C13s to two or more of the C14s off different supply phases, with an exposed common neutral.

[Dynamic Entertainment]

Let's just clarify the terminology first, as your descriptions "IEC" and "Bulgin" are somewhat vague. I'm guessing in this context you may be talking about IEC60320/C14 male cable connectors and a Bulgin PX/0956S octal inlet.

I'm unsure what you mean by "looped" - have you a photo of the wiring you're talking about? However, to try to answer your questions, a few key points;

1. The earths from each of the four tails will be commoned at the inlet and it is important that each of the earths is connected in each C14 plug, otherwise the failure of all four plugs to be connected at all times will compromise the earthing arrangements.

2. The problem with this spider is the possibility of an exposed neutral - as the neutral is a shared pole, which constitutes a widowmaker. In soca spiders you have dedicated phase, neutral & earth pins for each tail, therefore if individual tail/s are disconnected, there is no risk of shock from a common pole, nor a dependancy on all/multiple tails to be patched to maintain the neutral and/or earth.

3. Less likely, however the consequences of point (2) above could be even nastier if someone were to connect IEC60320/C13s to two or more of the C14s off different supply phases, with an exposed common neutral.

In laymans english please Tony :D

[Kernow]

Ok sure someone will be able to advise, need to wire 4 IEC to a bulgin. Can anyone tell me if its ok to loop over the earths at the IEC end and just connect 2 neutrals out of the 4 as its linked at the bulgin end.
The IEC's are on the back of NJD Euro 8 unit but I need a bulgin as I am using stand mates with a bulgin plug on.
If anyone can advise I would appreciate or if you need more info

Thanks in advance:beer1:

Dave
Bossman karaoke Disco

Standmate in reverse ?
This any good to you ?? :)
http://www.images2.co.uk/Cable_Leads_Connects/Bulgin_And_Elvcon.Generation_4_Bulgin_Patch_Boxes_ And_Splitters/BULGIN_GENERATION_4_SPLITTER_LEAD,_FEMALE_to_4_x_I EC_MALE,_1_Metre_BU600510.html

[csg]

In laymans english please Tony :D


i think what Tony might be getting at, is if you need to ask, you are not suitably qualified.

[NKR]

i think what Tony might be getting at, is if you need to ask, you are not suitably qualified.

Or might die!

[BossmanKaraokeDisco]

Let's just clarify the terminology first, as your descriptions "IEC" and "Bulgin" are somewhat vague. I'm guessing in this context you may be talking about IEC60320/C14 male cable connectors and a Bulgin PX/0956S octal inlet.

I'm unsure what you mean by "looped" - have you a photo of the wiring you're talking about? However, to try to answer your questions, a few key points;

1. The earths from each of the four tails will be commoned at the inlet and it is important that each of the earths is connected in each C14 plug, otherwise the failure of all four plugs to be connected at all times will compromise the earthing arrangements.

2. The problem with this spider is the possibility of an exposed neutral - as the neutral is a shared pole, which constitutes a widowmaker. In soca spiders you have dedicated phase, neutral & earth pins for each tail, therefore if individual tail/s are disconnected, there is no risk of shock from a common pole, nor a dependancy on all/multiple tails to be patched to maintain the neutral and/or earth.

3. Less likely, however the consequences of point (2) above could be even nastier if someone were to connect IEC60320/C13s to two or more of the C14s off different supply phases, with an exposed common neutral.

Ok see what your saying and yes I know that these things have to be done correctly, the wiring is unique to my show and handled purely by me so therefore any customising is only going to be handled by me and after 28 years of not dying :eek: I guess I get it right.
Thanks for the reply and I now understand what has to be done, I thought that was the case, just needed re-assurance

Many thanks :beer1:

Dave
Bossman Karaoke Disco

[sleah]

Standmate in reverse ?
This any good to you ?? :)
http://www.images2.co.uk/Cable_Leads_Connects/Bulgin_And_Elvcon.Generation_4_Bulgin_Patch_Boxes_ And_Splitters/BULGIN_GENERATION_4_SPLITTER_LEAD,_FEMALE_to_4_x_I EC_MALE,_1_Metre_BU600510.html


:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Bloody hell that company REALLY need to talk to a qualified sparky!
Not too mention their ar5es kicking by trading standards.
Mind you they are using the words legal/illegal in that loverly inappropriate way:bang:
They bang on about regulations and how there lightboxes comply blah blah on the same page that they are selling a lead which COULD NEVER pass a basic inspection, let alone any kind of PAT, indeed could KILL:mad:

It's already been mentioned in this thread that such a lead leaves exposed neutral connectors that could become live.

There is a chance a voltage could appear on a neutral, hence they are always treated in the same was as a live connector.

Imagine the live & neutral were swapped in whatever is feeding the device you plug those IECs into, you would have exposed live pins.

Even if one of the IEC outlets was reverse wired there would be a bloody big bang!

[BossmanKaraokeDisco]

Imagine the live & neutral were swapped in whatever is feeding the device you plug those IECs into, you would have exposed live pins.

Even if one of the IEC outlets was reverse wired there would be a bloody big bang!

Not sure where your seeing live pins here as the male iec plugs are being pluged into the power feed and so no power enters the wire until they are plugged in, which then leaves the female bulgin socket to plug your units into which is the correct way.
The power is being fed in at the IEC plug end and out at the female Bulgin.

Dave
Bossman Karaoke Disco

[A1DL]

Not sure where you're seeing live pins here as the male iec plugs are being pluged into the power feed and so no power enters the wire until they are plugged in, which then leaves the female bulgin socket to plug your units into which is the correct way.
The power is being fed in at the IEC plug end and out at the female Bulgin.

Dave
Bossman Karaoke Disco

If you have 2 x IEC60320/C14 plugs and the neutral from both is commoned in the Bulgin PX0956S inlet, when only one of the two is connected to a supply, the neutral may become energised on the C14 plug that is not connected, which may be touched.

[sleah]

If you have 2 x IEC60320/C14 plugs and the neutral from both is commoned in the Bulgin PX0956S inlet, when only one of the two is connected to a supply, the neutral may become energised on the C14 plug that is not connected, which may be touched.

Thank you Sir! Saved me some typing;)

The only 100% safe way to do it is the female connector needs to have the same number of pins as cables entering it.
So if you have four male IECs, that's 12 cables. The Bulgin on the lead in question only has 8 pins:(

[A1DL]

The only 100% safe way to do it is the female connector needs to have the same number of pins as cables entering it.

correct, a la socapex...


In soca spiders you have dedicated phase, neutral & earth pins for each tail, therefore if individual tail/s are disconnected, there is no risk of shock from a common pole, nor a dependancy on all/multiple tails to be patched to maintain the neutral and/or earth.

[sleah]

UPDATE:
It seems those of us who have been using Bulgin 8 ways for some time now risk a crminal record;)
:bang::bang::bang::bang::bang::bang:

Email correspondance:



Sorry but no! Incidentally legal doesn’t come in to it, no-one is going to jail for using the wrong connector.

This lead would seem ideal for use with (say) a dimmer with four IEC outlets. In the event that dimmer’s incoming mains was reversed, either by the plug incorrectly wired or the source being incorrect, the lead could easily leave live exposed connectors.
There are also many older Bulgin 8 way cables still in common use!
The ONLY safe way to adapt separate IEC (or similar) connectors in to a multicore cable and connector is to use a connector with at least as many pins as incoming cables, such as Socapex.
Therefore a system using the Bulgin 8 way that needs to interconnect to a dimmer or switch pack with only single channel output connectors should be converted to socapex or equivalent.

Regards
Simon Leah
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From: Sales [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 26 May 2010 13:03
To: 'Simon Leah'
Subject: RE: Dangerous products

Hi Simon

This lead is only dangerous to anyone using the now defunct and already illegal generation 1 bulgin male to male leads. Anyone using the current legal generation 4 male to female lead with this product is perfectly safe.


regards
David

Images Entertainments Store

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From: Simon Leah [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 26 May 2010 11:01
To: [email protected]
Subject: Dangerous products

Dear Sirs,

With reference to http://www.images2.co.uk/Cable_Leads_Conne...e_BU600510.html (http://www.images2.co.uk/Cable_Leads_Connects/Bulgin_And_Elvcon.Generation_4_Bulgin_Patch_Boxes_ And_Splitters/BULGIN_GENERATION_4_SPLITTER_LEAD,_FEMALE_to_4_x_I EC_MALE,_1_Metre_BU600510.html)

4 x Male IEC to 8 way Bulgin connector.

You do know how staggeringly DANGEROUS that cable is??? Your website talks of safety standards yet you sell a cable that could potentially KILL.

Simon Leah