Anyone got a line array for hire LOL

[Twinspin]

This coming sat ive got a wedding at the Guildhall in Hull. Its one of those places thats going to take a lot of sound to fill it. Or would i be better off just powering the dancefloor.

http://www.asit.org/assets/body_content_images/Guildhall_image_1_interior_BH.jpg

this is the room in question. high ceilings its also echoey as well. Now im planning on using my RCF system to do this gig which will put out 2.4kw with the ART705 subwoofers would this be sufficient or would i need extra speakers?

answers on a postcard :D

thanks in advance

[DeckstarDeluxe]

leaving it a tad late to be asking John?

[Twinspin]

leaving it a tad late to be asking John?

Well its just a final check. Personally i dont think ill need extra sound because i think the PA ive got should be fine.

The reason im asking is. I sorted out the hire of extra PA with a friend of mine a while back for this gig. He said it was definetely ok to borrow them but i never heard from him for a few weeks. But now he has contacted me to say did i want to still use this extra PA because he can drop it off tommorow.

Im just checking to see if the extra PA is necessary. I think my system should be ok. But id rather double check first. So i can confirm whether i need to borrow it or not.

[Mark Wild]

I have a sneaky suspicion you are already aware your kit will be ample, but remember it's a wedding not a party headlining LTJ Bukem. How many guests will be there John?

[Excalibur]

I have a sneaky suspicion you are already aware your kit will be ample, but remember it's a wedding not a party headlining LTJ Bukem. How many guests will be there John?

Three. Footy's on, remember? :p :D :D

[Mark Wild]

Three. Footy's on, remember? :p :D :D

In that case can't he just borrow your "for corporate purposes" P.A? :p

[Excalibur]

In that case can't he just borrow your "for corporate purposes" P.A? :p

He could, and it's available, cos I'm using the Outdoor Concert Rig ( I'm considering playing in the Car Park tomorrow) of two Peavey Eurosys, and A Behringer powered mixer. ;)

[A1DL]

Its one of those places thats going to take a lot of sound to fill it. Or would i be better off just powering the dancefloor.


For a wedding, that sounds like a good idea, John. If you are also providing BGM during the meal, look at placing some small full range speakers along the sides of the room, so the background music is just that.



my RCF system to do this gig which will put out 2.4kw

No it won't.

Do the maths, where is the dancefloor 'area' in relation to your point & shoot boxes? Also, remember it's a wedding. How loud do your boxes play? Also, remember it's a wedding. How many people is it for? Oh, and remember it's a wedding, not a rave.

[Twinspin]

For a wedding, that sounds like a good idea, John. If you are also providing BGM during the meal, look at placing some small full range speakers along the sides of the room, so the background music is just that.



No it won't.

Do the maths, where is the dancefloor 'area' in relation to your point & shoot boxes? Also, remember it's a wedding. How loud do your boxes play? Also, remember it's a wedding. How many people is it for? Oh, and remember it's a wedding, not a rave.

The disco in there is on a stage in the corner and the dancefloor area is to the right hand side of the stage and infront. My system is rated at 2.4kw rms when you add the rms figures of each speaker up in total.

400w rms x2 for the tops
800w rms x2 for the subwoofers

the wedding is for 200 people on sat.

The venue already have small speakers around there for background music and speeches theyre only small ones plus they have radio mics as well. So that wouldnt be necessary. They just need me to setup early.

[A1DL]

My system is rated at 2.4kw rms when you add the rms figures of each speaker up in total.

400w rms x2 for the tops
800w rms x2 for the subwoofers



I'm not interested in how much amplifier power they need to drive them (I assume you're intending to connect to the DNO supply, therefore totally irrelevant)... I was trying to understand the position of your cabs in relation to the dancefloor, the size of the dancefloor and how loud they play.

By the way, I've got a fan heater under my desk that's only 400w less powerful than your four speakers put together.... and I can still talk to my colleagues comfortably when it's on full.;)

[Twinspin]

I'm not interested in how much amplifier power they need to drive them (I assume you're intending to connect to the DNO supply, therefore totally irrelevant)... I was trying to understand the position of your cabs in relation to the dancefloor, the size of the dancefloor and how loud they play.

By the way, I've got a fan heater under my desk that's only 400w less powerful than your four speakers put together.... and I can still talk to my colleagues comfortably when it's on full.;)

I do appreciate your help. In relation to the sound system but the fan heater comment not all of us can afford massive sound systems. I know you can with you having a PA company correct me if im wrong.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

You're missing the point John - perhaps Tony can explain in laymans terms what he means?

Laymans terms Tony! :sj:

[A1DL]

I do appreciate your help. In relation to the sound system but the fan heater comment not all of us can afford massive sound systems. I know you can with you having a PA company correct me if im wrong.

John, you've missed the point completely. The point regarding the fan heater is, for the thousandth time, YOU CAN'T HEAR WATTS.

Nothing about "massive" sound systems. What matters more than anything is the efficiency of a box, it's dispertion characteristics, how loud it plays (in dB) and the optimum positioning of it.

Telling me your tops are 400w means nothing. If their efficiency is 94dB@1w/1m you need ten of them (and ten times the amplifier power) to play as loud as one box with an efficiency of 104dB@1w/1m

[Ajaysdisco]

If their efficiency is 94dB@1w/1m you need ten of them (and ten times the amplifier power) to play as loud as one box with an efficiency of 104dB@1w/1m

O, the joy of logs, nothing is simple!!

[Sapphire Disco]

I don't think you would have any problems at all with the sound system you have but if you wanted to be sure a couple of full range speakers added wouldn't hurt but I really think you will be fine.

[Twinspin]

John, you've missed the point completely. The point regarding the fan heater is, for the thousandth time, YOU CAN'T HEAR WATTS.

Nothing about "massive" sound systems. What matters more than anything is the efficiency of a box, it's dispertion characteristics, how loud it plays (in dB) and the optimum positioning of it.

Telling me your tops are 400w means nothing. If their efficiency is 94dB@1w/1m you need ten of them (and ten times the amplifier power) to play as loud as one box with an efficiency of 104dB@1w/1m


Fair enough... these are 128db max spl from the tops. 130db max spl from the subs is what i read in the spec sheets.

[A1DL]

Get the tops up nice and high & point them down to the dancefloor. You've already said the venue have a BGM system - that potentially can be the hardest bit for a DJ with limited equipment to get right, without deafening the tables at the front and leaving the back unable to hear much.

You'll notice the benefits of an active system come into their own in a larger room, so I'm sure you'll be fine John, you have good tools for the job in hand.

[Excalibur]

By the way, I've got a fan heater under my desk that's only 400w less powerful than your four speakers put together.... and I can still talk to my colleagues comfortably when it's on full.;)
I'm baffled Tony. :confused: John's got RCF cabs, not Mackie. :sofa:


You're missing the point John - perhaps Tony can explain in laymans terms what he means?

Laymans terms Tony! :sj:
Perhaps someone could first explain to Tony what " In Layman's Terms " means?


Get the tops up nice and high & point them down to the dancefloor. You've already said the venue have a BGM system - that potentially can be the hardest bit for a DJ with limited equipment to get right, without deafening the tables at the front and leaving the back unable to hear much.
You'll notice the benefits of an active system come into their own in a larger room, so I'm sure you'll be fine John, you have good tools for the job in hand.
Not potentially, always. To be serious fo a fraction of a second, without a purpose built rig, it's usually a nightmare.