Recording singers?

[womble]

Does anyone record their singers at karaoke and play them back?

I've heard this done a few times, sometimes to good effect, sometimes not so (depends on the singer I guess!). I wondered how people do it, I was thinking of using an MD recorder and using the "tape out" from the mixer and then back into one of the spare channels?

Also, I was looking at mixers earlier and saw a "sampling" function - something I've not been aware of o nmixers before - and wondered if this would do the same thing?

[James]

Ahem, i hope it's legal '0)

[womble]

Can it be any less legal than using the 'loop' function on a media player? Or the sampling function available on DJ software?

[RabbittsKaraoke]

Ahem, i hope it's legal '0)

If you hadn't put the sarcastic wink then this would have been a good point.

Could this be included in the karaoke top up on the pro-dub licence?? As really it is just ripping the karaoke side of the track??

Or is it more complicated than that? Obviously you'd have to get consent from the singer I suppose?

[Megamix]

I can't see anything illegal about this - video recorders exist which record sound, if Womble releases the track on a CD and sells 50,00 copies, that's illegal I would imagine!

[James]

Unfortunately, you can't re-record any media, technically, you can't even lend a cd to a friend.

i'm no expert on the legalities of this, but i'm sure someone will be along to state why.

[womble]

I just want to play maybe 15 seconds back after the singer has finished. I will then delete the offending sample.

anyway.... we're well off topic.

[yourdj]

Limited release licence MCPS would probably be required. costs a few pounds. depends on circulation.

but for 15 second play back i would not although its probably covered on produb??
I would not worry if i were you.

[RabbittsKaraoke]

I just want to play maybe 15 seconds back after the singer has finished. I will then delete the offending sample.

anyway.... we're well off topic.

LOL Indeed, I just wondered what the legal stance was. And, unfortunately, i think it may well fall into one of those grey areas.

I can't imagine anyone would be pulled up for doing it though?? :confused: :confused:

[DazzyD]

As for the legalities of it, because you're adding a vocal to a previously recorded audio track, and recording it, then I would guess you are making a new edit/remix and therefore ProDub wouldn't come in to the equation and you would need a licence to do this. In reality, I cannot see anyone facing legal action for doing so so long as the finished product is not sold.

However, as for the point of this, I really cannot see a point. When people are recorded singing they usually sound terrible unless you have a really good grasp of audio engineering to be able to use the equipment you have to produce the best possible sound. I've never had anyone ask if I record them singing and can't see any reason why anyone would. So, for me, I wouldn't even venture down this road.

[Starlight]

I'd say Adobe Audition 1.5 will be the best software to record your singers maybe, just a guess really but it might be possible ;) :)

Neil.

[Megamix]

technically, you can't even lend a cd to a friend.

Public Libraries?

[mikeee]

Public Libraries?

They're licenced through county or shire :D

[womble]

However, as for the point of this, I really cannot see a point. .... I've never had anyone ask if I record them singing and can't see any reason why anyone would. So, for me, I wouldn't even venture down this road.

Have you really never seen/heard it done at karaoke nights? I've been to several nights ran by others where this 'gimmick' has been used to good effect.

[axeman]

Quote: Originally Posted by DazzyD

However, as for the point of this, I really cannot see a point. .... I've never had anyone ask if I record them singing and can't see any reason why anyone would. So, for me, I wouldn't even venture down this road.


Have you really never seen/heard it done at karaoke nights? I've been to several nights ran by others where this 'gimmick' has been used to good effect

Agreed ! ive seen it often both locally and abroad, i thought it looked like a good gimmik so i dabbled a little myself last year... the "virtual dj" software has an option to record built into it...i could never get the sound quality right for some reason, but ive definately seen it done in bars to good effect before.

hope this helps, at least it was on topic !

[DazzyD]

Have you really never seen/heard it done at karaoke nights? I've been to several nights ran by others where this 'gimmick' has been used to good effect.


Agreed ! ive seen it often both locally and abroad, i thought it looked like a good gimmik so i dabbled a little myself last year... the "virtual dj" software has an option to record built into it...i could never get the sound quality right for some reason, but ive definately seen it done in bars to good effect before.

hope this helps, at least it was on topic !

Unlike Axeman I have to say I've never encountered this practise before. We can, and have, put visual images of the singers up on screen but never recorded any audio. Aside from the potential legal/copyright issues, I don't think I would appreciate being recorded whilst out having a laugh (I'm often told I'm a talented vocalist - and I've worked on stage before - but I cringe at the sound of my recorded voice) so I'm sure others will feel the same way.

And, again, no-one has ever asked me for this facility so I cannot see the demand for such a service.

[axeman]

I get asked quite often, but i probably do more karaoke than most (4 nights a week) and these are pub karaoke nights get a following of people who are right into it, and it's been mostly these karaoke hogs who have asked me to be recorded, rather than karaoke at private functions where i wouldnt dream of recording a singer. Anyhoo virtual dj has the recording option built into its settings.

[DazzyD]

VDJ does have the ability to record but I'm assuming you'd have to take a line-out signal from your mixer and route it back in to your soundcard and in to VDJ. (I'm assuming that your mics would be connected directly to your mixer and not straight in to your computer). Then, you'd be putting extra strain on your computer's processor as it would be both playing out and recording in and, on less powerful machines, this could caused skipping on the tracks.

If I were to do this, I think I'd just take a line-out signal from the mixer then plug it straight in to the mini-disc recorder. That way the laptop would be happily getting on with putting out the sound and wouldn't have to worry about any extra tasks.

But, then again, I haven't tried to setup a signal to return to VDJ so I can't say for sure how reliable it would be.