When people think you can't see them!

[Shakermaker Promotions]

Hi all,

Just a review of last night and kind of going on from the 'Annoying Punters' thread. (Remember, if you don't like what you think may be a 'winkle waving' thread then click off now!).

Firstly, it was another great wedding with everyone up for it and the feedback I got was brilliant (the Bride & Groom were over the moon with what I did for them). I also gave out some cards and one of the guests said that they would be booking me for their wedding next year so cool :D .

Best tracks of the night were once again 'Sex on Fire', 'Mr Brightside', 'Dakota' and the usual 'Sweet Child O' Mine' and 'Living On A Prayer'. There was a big group of guests down from Manchester who wanted some Northern Soul and Motown and Al Wilson's 'The Snake' went down well with that lot. There was also quite a few people there asking for 'movement songs' towards the end so for the first time in months, I did the whole 'Cha Cha Slide', 'Macarena' thing and also 'Mysterious Girl' and 'Tease Me' which all went down well and had them dancing until midnight.

First dance was an acoustic version of 'First time I ever saw your face' by The Stereophonics (which is brilliant by the way - check it out). Last songs of the evening were 'Never Forget' by Take That and then 'You got the love' by Florence & The Machine. I asked beforehand if the Bride & Groom had any preference to last songs and they said "It's totally up to you"...These both worked a treat.

Anyway....The room looked good and standing back I noticed that you couldn't really see much of me (always a good thing). For the first 90 minutes and up until the first dance (9pm), I started off with some background music and then went into a lot of current chart stuff as there were a number of young girls there too. This worked really well. After the first dance I went into some Motown and then 70's Disco etc.

I noticed 2 girls on the dancefloor. They weren't the best looking girls in the world but I noticed that every song I played, they would look in my direction and do the 'cut throat' thing, more or less saying "This is rubbish, end it". I laughed at first but then watched them and they weren't very nice at all. They would dance behind people and you could see them making comments about everyone and pulling faces. One of them came over to me and said "Excuse me, do you think you could play something a bit more up to date?" She was grinning her head off as she said it. I replied "Have you not been listening to the last hour and a half? I've played loads of it and will do some more later". "Aww come on" she said, "I've only just got here. I'm not being funny"...I said the usual "I'll see what I can do" and she walked back to her friend on the dancefloor and then looked over in my direction and did the 'cut throat' thing again.

I don't know about you lot but I find this really off putting. They knew I was there although they couldn't see me that well and they continued to make the 'cut throat' thing in my direction to every song that I was playing and it began to annoy me. Once the 70's Disco thing was finished I went into some Black Eyed Peas, Jason Derulo etc (I'd saved some current floorfillers) and they sarcastically clapped their hands, again in my direction. These 2 girls looked like they were in their mid-30's and they were acting like kids to be honest. I announced over the mic that I was going to play a selection of the Bride & Grooms favourite tunes so this was when I went into stuff like Kings of Leon, Killers etc...They looked over in my direction again and hands on hips, started to shake their heads. They then went to the bar.

At this time, the dancefloor was packed and it was like they were the only 2 not dancing. One of the guys from Manchester came up and asked for 'Sit Down' by James so I put that on and announced over the mic that it was for the 2 girls at the bar. They laughed and sat down at a table. The Manchester guy then came back and said "Can you play 'Love will tear us apart' by Joy Division please mate?"...I laughed and said "Do you think that's appropriate for a wedding?" and he simply said "Why not?". I had to think about that one and decided not to play it. He kept coming back and I kept saying "I'm trying to find it for you" to put him off. By the way, he was dancing to almost everything all night so it was quite a surprise at the end when I was packing up when I overheard the Bride talking to him...She said "I've had a fantastic time, Gary was brilliant wasn't he" and the guy said "Not really, he didn't play my song"...It was really funny seeing his face as she had a go at him. She came over, thanked me and I took the opportunity to say "I tried to play something for everyone and sorry if your friend over there is a bit upset I didn't play his song but I didn't think it was the right thing to do" She asked what it was and I told her and she said "Thank god you didn't!"

Phew!

[funksoulbrother]

Just goes to show, you can't please all of the people all of the time, glad you had a good one though.

I think we all have the characters that think the whole nights entertainment is only for them, regardless of whether it's a wedding, birthday, etc. If you had asked the bride, she would probably have said she didn't know the 2 women all that well, if at all, they are usually the ones who act like that.

;)

[Shakermaker Promotions]

Too right!
It's funny because when I started playing Guns n Roses etc, they were up on the dancefloor and then when it got into the Cha Cha Slide etc, they were gone! It just annoys me. It's hard to explain and people may think I am being paranoid so I suppose you had to be there. I have no time for people like that.

[rob1963]

I think we all have the characters that think the whole nights entertainment is only for them

Indeed, and do we want to pander to people who think THEY are more important than the Bride & Groom and all the other guests?

I think not!

Glad it went well, Gary.

:thumbsup:

[Shakermaker Promotions]

Cheers Rob.
Those two were the only negative thing of the evening. I know everything can't be perfect and there will always be something but....oh, you know what I mean.
Anyway, off to the next one to set up now.

[StarZSoundS]

Too right!
It's funny because when I started playing Guns n Roses etc, they were up on the dancefloor and then when it got into the Cha Cha Slide etc, they were gone! It just annoys me. It's hard to explain and people may think I am being paranoid so I suppose you had to be there. I have no time for people like that.


Gary....your report is from the heart....I think along exactly the same lines as you.I probably may have even objected more to the imbeciles doing the cut-throat thing and had a word with the Bride....its heartbreaking particularly when you are making an impression on others.....


Wopuld have treated the Joy Division request in excatly the same way too:beer1: :beer1: :beer1:

[funksoulbrother]

There are certain songs that we all know, that are not appropriate for certain occasions, whether they are good songs or not, they are just not right.

I remember being asked, many moons ago, to play at a wedding Roy C - Shotgun Wedding (great tune), but I declined it politely, found out at the end the requestor was an old boyfriend and that the bride was expecting. It would have gone down like a bacon sandwich at a Bah Mitzvah :eek:

[NKR]

As we always say there is always one person (or two in this case) who make life difficult and they can ruin a night if you become influenced by them. Vey annoying indeed.
You wonder why these selfish people get invited in the first place. If you did some research you would normally find the bride would rather they were in a wooden box than at her wedding, but you get that familly pressure of such and such must be invited and they are generally the ones that do that.
At our wedding we knew who would be an issue and they were not invited. 6 years later and they are still not talking to us, but hey every cloud and all.

[yourdj]

Is it me or are people more selfish than they used to be?

honestly i get this allot and i always ignore them as all they care about is thier own satisfaction.

Its weddings i think and girls. They are surrounded by other stunning girls (as girls are usually looking their best at weddings) and feel bad about themselves and take their insecurities out on everyone else.

no patience im afraid and i tell them where to go every-time.

[DeckstarDeluxe]

Its becoming more and more common for me too where people are dancing to a certain style of music and request for something that wont work and for it to be next.

When you explain they can get rather upset no matter how you word it.

[Shakermaker Promotions]

These two girls in particular had more to be paranoid about than me. One was about 4ft tall and 10ft wide and the other was about 6ft 3in with a face like a chewed up weetabix!

They were just horrible people...simple as.

[yourdj]

When you explain they can get rather upset no matter how you word it.


These two girls in particular had more to be paranoid about than me. One was about 4ft tall and 10ft wide and the other was about 6ft 3in with a face like a chewed up weetabix!

They were just horrible people...simple as.

the main issue with people like that is they have no respect for others and and social skills. I had a similar trog the other day. She was literally shouting (after the disco) - i suppose it the only way a person like her can get attention :confused:

I said i would play another one if she would stop making such a racket. She said "im a paying customer" (this was a wedding) I said

"No your not im booked till 12 its now 10 past - did you pay for this wedding?"

Everyone laughed at her and she sloped off to her cave. :p

You know the venues I frequent (generally new forest now) and i rarely get problems. I only get these problems when i am around southampton or at a chavier gig (this was chilworth manner :eek: ) certain type of people i guess.

Having said that the really posh gigs are even worse! the people think they own you. :)

[tc1ooo]

Funniest thing is when a song comes on they dont like, they do the cut throat thing or give you an evil look, then they notice everyone else likes it and they start dancing as well!

[yourdj]

Funniest thing is when a song comes on they dont like, they do the cut throat thing or give you an evil look, then they notice everyone else likes it and they start dancing as well!

Its girls like that and old men who sit there making faces at you and then come up when the dance floor is packed and say:

"play stairway to heaven it will make everyone dance"

I either humour them and ignore or i tell them do not know what they are talking about - play the track and prove the point when everyone sits down.

They normally agree with me in the end, accept i know what i am doing and let me get on with it :)

[simon1969]

Sounds like Gary handled it well, I think most of us have come across similar charming young ladies on a few occassions.
And that joy division track its like playing annie i'm not your daddy at a christening!! :)

[Excalibur]

Gary....your report is from the heart....I think along exactly the same lines as you.I probably may have even objected more to the imbeciles doing the cut-throat thing and had a word with the Bride..
Wouldn't have gone that far, but good grief, that sort of behaviour really irks me. :mad: :mad:


There are certain songs that we all know, that are not appropriate for certain occasions, whether they are good songs or not, they are just not right.

I remember being asked, many moons ago, to play at a wedding Roy C - Shotgun Wedding (great tune), :eek:
It has been done, but it's not on the top 100 wedding songs list. :D :D :D


Is it me or are people more selfish than they used to be?

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Somebody alluded to it in another thread, it's the instant gratification aspect. With internet, ipods and similar, you can instantly play a track. Digital DJ's can be pretty quick if needed. Punters now expect us to do so, even if it will wreck the mood you've carefully created. :(

[STEVE HANLEY]

Believe me if anyone gave me the cut throat sign. They'd soon stop after I returned it with the Paratroopers stare. Works every time:D :D :D :D :D

[Shakermaker Promotions]

Well, well, well...just like buses coming in two's, it happened again at last nights wedding and this time it escalated.

As I mentioned yesterday, last night I was doing a wedding for a couple with a low budget. A very nice young couple and the only way I could discribe the scenario would to be that it was one of those times where a lot of the guests seemed like they hardly ever got the chance to go out. I don't want to sound bad or put them down at all but it was definitely one of those functions at the lower end of the scale (a bit like someone having a birthday party at the local social club and the whole estate turn up).

As I said, very nice couple and they had done a brilliant job turning the venue into exactly what they wanted. The Uplighting looked awesome in there and added a touch of class to the whole thing. It was funny as I totally didn't expect it to be one of those nights. It was a 6.30pm start and when I got there, there were around 50 guests. Started playing background music and built it up to chart stuff as there were lots of kids sliding around on the floor. Around 7.45pm there must have been about 100 guests and I announced that the B&G were going to cut their cake. No'one moved apart from the B&G! They stood behind their cake and I had to make a joke about it and say "Come on ladies & gents, you are allowed to take photos". A few of them moved. At 8.00pm they did their first dance (All for One - I Swear) and when I announced that guests could join the B&G on the dancefloor....no'one bothered! I played another track after their first dance (as requested...the Candlelight mix of 'Heaven' by DJ Sammy) and again, just the B&G danced.

The buffet was bought out by the catering staff and I didn't even get time to announce that it was available as people started queuing up for it and diving straight in (mostly the oldies). By 9.00pm there must have been 200 people in the hall. There were moments where everyone was dancing (Sex on Fire / Living on a Prayer / Mr Brightside) and there were moments when stuff (on their request list) cleared the dancefloor...Amazingly, Sweet Child O' Mine was one of them! There were a few awkward moments like that during the evening which made me feel uncomfortable.

To give you some indication of what this was like....at around 9.30pm, in walked about 6 guys, jeans, t-shirts and hoodies and with carrier bags full of cans of lager. I thought "Good to see you make the effort!".

Now, earlier on in the evening (before he got absolutely trashed!), the best man was an absolute diamond. He had everything under control. He was the Grooms brother. We chatted and he said "Anything you need, just give me a shout. Any problems, let me know and I'll sort it"...I'm glad he did!

I had a massive request list in advance from the B&G. It was full of party classics, a lot of current chart stuff including some Dance and RnB and a few 70's Disco tunes. I worked off it and put in some of my own and it worked well. (For some reason...just of late I have been playing 3 tunes in a row that I haven't previously but have gone down well... Peter Andre - Mysterious Girl / Chaka Demus & Pliers - Twist n' Shout / Shaggy - Angel)...these had almost everybody up.

At about 10.30pm (45 minutes before the finish time), a guy who looked like he was a fashion disaster from the 70's, was dancing right at the front of the stage with what looked like his family. Every now and then he would stick his fingers in his ears to indicate that the volume was too high yet he stayed right infront of the speakers. I thought "Use your brain mate". As one song finished and the next was starting, he would stop dancing and stand there like a statue to see what was coming next. I didn't really notice anything as I wasn't taking any notice of him at first but I heard him shout out something so it made me aware of him. As I worked through the request list it was apparent that he didn't approve. It was in the breakdown bit in 'Me Speak No Americano' that I heard him swear out loud and say something like "For gods sake, play some ******* sixties music!". Now he had my attention. It seemed like as I had noticed it, it now became more often (maybe he had been doing it all night?).

Dancing with him were 2 little girls (daughters), a woman (wife) and a young guy (son). When I'd heard the guy shout out again I decided that enough was enough so I went to the edge of the stage where his son was and tapped him on the shoulder - "Excuse me, could you ask that chap to come over for a second please?"... This was met straight away with attitude. "Why do you want him?"... "Oh nevermind" I replied and went back behind the console. The young guy then made his way up on to the stage and towards me. "Why do you want him bruv?" he shouted. "It's ok, it doesn't matter now" I replied... "Is there a problem then?" he asked..."No, it's fine, sorry to bother you mate, go and enjoy yourself".

He looked at me, gave me a look up and down and then called me something before turning around to walk away...."Hold on, what was that for?" I asked. "What's your problem?" he asked...."Ok.." I said... "I was going to ask that guy to stop swearing and shouting out at me. If he wants something he only has to ask and doesn't need to be rude". The young guy laughed and shook his head. "Look, we like 60's music and you aint played any. All of this stuff is ****!"..."Look.." I said..."Now you're doing it. For the record, I am playing stuff that the Bride and Groom have requested and everyone is dancing"...He then went off on one and claimed I had swore at him (I didn't). He was right up in my face and slurring abuse at me. Rather than argue I simply said "Do me a favour and go away" and that was it. He stormed off the stage, swearing at me and making hand signals. He then went to a table and slammed his drink down. It rolled off the table and smashed on the floor. He walked off past people dancing and then decided to come back, up on to the stage and then straight up to me again...He swore at me and then said "I'm a DJ too and you're ******** crap!"...I smiled and said "Just go away" and once again in true Kevin and Perry style, he stormed off.

I was a bit on edge now. I noticed the best man dancing to the left of the stage so made my way over to him and told him what had happened. Within 5 minutes he and the young guy were walking towards me and were up on the stage. The best man was now quite trollied and had the young guy by the scruff of the neck. The young guy looked worried as he stood there. "Right.. ******* apologise NOW!" he said. "If the DJ has to stop the music because he is being hassled by a little **** like you and you spoil by brothers big day, I'll ******** have you!".. The young guy was close to tears as he said "I'm really sorry, I shouldn't have said what I said and I apologise"... "Apology accepted" I said and we shook hands. The best man said "Now, **** off" and the young guy walked off. The best man couldn't apologise enough and you could see he was really angry. That was the last of it.

Until the end when I was packing up. Everything had to be packed down and cleared. This included the whole hall by Midnight (that's why we finished at 11.15pm)...The best man was now pretty trashed and was kicking off big style. He had it in for someone, not sure who but he was swearing his head off and was being held back by a bunch of guys. In the end they let him go and he made his way outside. It seemed like the whole hall cleared and made their way outside as a few people started to clear up. I didn't see the Best man again but it looked like something happened.

One of those functions as when I was driving away from the venue I was thinking "Phew! I'm glad it's over" and I hate feeling like that about someone's big day. I hope it doesn't come in 3's!

Sorry....long post syndrome again folks!

[yourdj]

Until the end when I was packing up. Everything had to be packed down and cleared. This included the whole hall by Midnight (that's why we finished at 11.15pm)...The best man was now pretty trashed and was kicking off big style. He had it in for someone, not sure who but he was swearing his head off and was being held back by a bunch of guys. In the end they let him go and he made his way outside. It seemed like the whole hall cleared and made their way outside as a few people started to clear up. I didn't see the Best man again but it looked like something happened.

All I can say is good job you got on with the best man. If he desided he did not like you that would have been interesting :)

I would say by that if you meet people like that with aggression you will get it back. Just humour or ignore is my motto.

I've met you and you could come across intimidating too them as well, which does not help. Telling them to "go away" is like using propane to put out a fire.

[StarZSoundS]

Just humour or ignore is my motto.



Not always easy in my opinion.Imagine telling a Plumber who is fixing your Toilet that he is doing it wrong.There is a chance you may be shortly encountering a Spanner sticking out of an orifice:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[rob1963]

I would say by that if you meet people like that with aggression you will get it back. Just humour or ignore is my motto.


I agree.

The "70s fashion disaster" wasn't touching or knocking into Gary's gear, nor did he get up on the stage & hassle Gary.

In that situation, I'd have simply ignored him.

I certainly wouldn't have gone up to him, tapped him on the shoulder & asked what his problem was.

By ignoring the guy, things might have panned out very differently.

[rob1963]

To add to my previous post, I just can't help but wonder how much trouble starts when one person goes up to another, taps them on the shoulder & asks "What's your problem?"

[Mark Wild]

I certainly wouldn't have gone up to him, tapped him on the shoulder & asked what his problem was.


100% :agree: That was a wrong move for sure.

There's always going to be people like the two girls in your first report and the 70's throwback in your second. You just have to rise above them and concentrate your efforts and attention to the people having a good time, I know its really hard sometimes but it's the nature of the beast.

[funkymook]

Some people don't have the same social skills as others to know about asking politely for things, it's shouting and complaining that gets the attention/results in their circles - it's best not to take it personally.
I've had someone come up and quite aggressively tell me I'm a rubbish DJ (in slightly stronger terms) and to play his request, I laughed, agreed with him, played his request (which was an OK one), it's gone down well and next minute same person is telling me I'm the best DJ in the world (magically he turned from an idiot into a man of rare taste and distinction within minutes)

In this scenario I probably would've just put on some 60's music when I heard him complaining. It's a genre that usually works well.

It's all live and learn though, I've had situations I've handled things really badly - in my early days I had Grooms mother in tears when I didn't play her request soon enough so she could dance with her son. I now know I should've put it on straight away, with an announcement, and made it a really special song for them - still kick myself today for getting that wrong!

[Excalibur]

Does nobody ever read posts carefully on here? :confused: :confused:

I read it as Gary asking the chap's son to ask him to come across. Not the man himself. That would have been an inflammatory action, I agree, if he'd buttonholed the chap in person, but I don't believe he did.

[DeckstarDeluxe]

Does nobody ever read posts carefully on here? :confused: :confused:

I read it as Gary asking the chap's son to ask him to come across. Not the man himself. That would have been an inflammatory action, I agree, if he'd buttonholed the chap in person, but I don't believe he did.


I did read that bit however I'd of just ignored it myself. If your playing music requested by the client(s) and they appear happy with how the evening is going then one person acting like a child isnt an issue to me.

[Mark Wild]

Does nobody ever read posts carefully on here? :confused: :confused:

I read it as Gary asking the chap's son to ask him to come across. Not the man himself. That would have been an inflammatory action, I agree, if he'd buttonholed the chap in person, but I don't believe he did.

Yeah I read that, that but one is just as bad as the other imo.

[rob1963]

I read it as Gary asking the chap's son to ask him to come across.

While that may be true, it's irrelevant.

The guy wasn't knocking into Garys gear & wasn't up on the stage hassling him, so in my opinion Gary should have just ignored him.

[Excalibur]

I did read that bit however I'd of just ignored it myself. If your playing music requested by the client(s) and they appear happy with how the evening is going then one person acting like a child isnt an issue to me.

Using foul and abusive, possibly threatening language is not acceptable. Ever. Especially with children present.


While that may be true, it's irrelevant.

The guy wasn't knocking into Garys gear & wasn't up on the stage hassling him, so in my opinion Gary should have just ignored him.
No it's not. People were saying Gary spoke to the man. He didn't. Read carefully in future. End of.

[rob1963]

No it's not. People were saying Gary spoke to the man. He didn't. Read carefully in future. End of.

:sorry:

[Excalibur]

:sorry:

No worries mate. Appreciated. :beer1:

[Shakermaker Promotions]

Excalibur - Thanks very much for taking the time to actually READ what was written. If everyone did that then they wouldn't jump to the usual conclusions.

So again...Just so it doesn't get lost in a mass of writing (as I guess people chose to pick out sentences etc)...

A guy was dancing directly infront of the speakers and was putting his fingers in his ears which was a gesture to say it was too loud.
**The hall was massive. Rob - There was no way he could have bumped into my gear as the stage was very big and I was around 4ft off the ground and the gear was set up around 6ft away from the front of the stage**

I wasn't bothered about the gesture and IGNORED it. I mentioned the 2 girls on friday night and took on board the comments posted.

What I WAS bothered about and could NOT ignore was the abusive language that was being shouted at me in between songs. It was also during songs. I think people forget that I CAN hear comments.

I did NOT have a word with this guy. I did NOT tap this guy on the shoulder.

What I DID do was keep calm and ask his son if he could get him to come over. It was his SON that decided to get abusive so I told him to go away.

Now, IF the guy had come over to me, I would have still kept calm (despite what some of you may think) and asked him politely to stop throwing abuse in my direction and not just because I found it out of order but because there were lots of young children nearby too (and that included his own!!).

As for the Best Man, as I also said....he was a good bloke but something obviously narked him at the end. I didn't see what it was nor do I care. It had nothing to do with me as I was packing up. I just found it disappointing that people may go away from that party remembering that incident and not the good time that was had by all.

Lastly, Toby - I find it pretty offensive that you can write on this forum that you find me intimidating. Why? Because I have a skinhead? If I remember correctly, when we met (at the wedding fayre at a hotel that I used to supply), I had a shirt, trousers on etc. No tattoos on show, no piercings etc so just a normal looking bloke with a shaved head. I had never met you before and when I haven't met someone I am usually nice as pie. If everyone thought like you did then I don't think I would be as busy as I am.

You need to think about what you say and write....that could be the reason why you're in the Sin Bin.

Honestly, I don't know why I bother sometimes.

[Shakermaker Promotions]

I did read that bit however I'd of just ignored it myself. If your playing music requested by the client(s) and they appear happy with how the evening is going then one person acting like a child isnt an issue to me.

To answer some others too whilst I'm at it.

So, someone around 10ft away from you calling your music ****, calling you a **** etc etc throughout the evening wouldn't bother you? You would TRY and ignore it of course you would but you couldn't. There's no way you could ignore it.

It puts you off. It's just like trying to have a conversation with someone and there's a dog barking in the background. You can try as hard as you can but it's off putting. When I am being put off my job it is affecting my commitment to the customer who has paid me to do a job. I won't have that.

I would not let someone do it to me when I am not working so I definitely won't put up with it when I am.

[Shakermaker Promotions]

...and finally. Reading back over this thread, Toby said that I could appear to some as being intimidating. He hasn't actually said that I AM but I get the jist that he does. If I am wrong then I apologise but that's what it looks like.

[DeckstarDeluxe]

To answer some others too whilst I'm at it.

So, someone around 10ft away from you calling your music ****, calling you a **** etc etc throughout the evening wouldn't bother you? You would TRY and ignore it of course you would but you couldn't. There's no way you could ignore it.

It puts you off. It's just like trying to have a conversation with someone and there's a dog barking in the background. You can try as hard as you can but it's off putting. When I am being put off my job it is affecting my commitment to the customer who has paid me to do a job. I won't have that.

I would not let someone do it to me when I am not working so I definitely won't put up with it when I am.


No, if its as you have explained it wouldn't have unless it was one of the happy couple. You get idiots like this and they just want either attention or a reaction out of you. When you think about it if your looking at him thinking hes making an idiot out of himself chances are everyone is too.

[StarZSoundS]

No, if its as you have explained it wouldn't have unless it was one of the happy couple. You get idiots like this and they just want either attention or a reaction out of you. When you think about it if your looking at him thinking hes making an idiot out of himself chances are everyone is too.



I have noticed an increase in threads and posts like this and its quite worrying.Is it the recession that is making people ruder???There is a lack of respect nowadays....and claiming to have had too much alcochol is a handy excuse for it!!:eek: :eek: :eek:


Do people think that DJ's have no feelings...clearly Gary has.I try to play everything to suit the majority and it is mortifying when some of the things that have happened to Gary(2 nights on the trot now) happen.:bang: :bang:

Karaoke Hosts get even worse abuse.....Fortunately its only 10% of what I do!!

[Mark Wild]

Maybe telling the son you wanted a word with is father wasn't the best choice Gary, seems a word with the best man about your concerns was the better option in hindsight.

Hindsight's a lovely thing though :)

[Excalibur]

Maybe telling the son you wanted a word with is father wasn't the best choice Gary, seems a word with the best man about your concerns was the better option in hindsight.

Hindsight's a lovely thing though :)

It tends to be astonishingly accurate.;) :D :D I'm not sure there was a right way to deal with the situation, I reckon all options had drawbacks.

[Silver]

Excalibur -

What I DID do was keep calm and ask his son if he could get him to come over. It was his SON that decided to get abusive so I told him to go away.

Sorry would not have got a third party involved, potentially dangerous. If ever I have a problem or looming problem then I talk to the person concerned directly NEVER through a third party. Have you ever heard of Chinese whispers, what you say to somebody and what then gets relayed to somebody else can be chalk and cheese. Then what can happen is ... http://planetsmilies.net/ill-violated-dead-smiley-9436.gif

[simonp]

Can I just say - I love reading Gary Shakermakers dramas - sooooo entertaining :D

Keep 'em coming Gary :beer1:

[Excalibur]

Can I just say - I love reading Gary Shakermakers dramas - sooooo entertaining :D

Keep 'em coming Gary :beer1:

Seconded. Compared to his and Charlie's, mine seem so tame. :( :(