To 'Lisa Clarke' 'Stu Dent' and God knows how many other made up names

[Corabar Entertainment]

If you're going to put through spoof event requests through my website, please at least make if obvious you are from MDD.

I don't hide prices, and you'll still get the same result from the quote request, but it will save me doing the follow-up admin if I don't twig it in time. :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Corabar Steve]

I thought he only called himself "Lisa" at weekends :sj:

[Dynamic Entertainment]

How did you click that they were from MDD Angela?

[Corabar Entertainment]

Secret weapons ;)

(IP address)

[Mark Wild]

sorry :o :p

[Corabar Entertainment]

:lol:

[Dynamic Entertainment]

Fancy saying who it is then.... pretty please :D

[Corabar Entertainment]

No - I won't name and shame them. They've read this thread (I know that for sure because I happened to be looking at 'Who's online' when they did) and I think that is enough.

Daft thing is, if they'd asked, I would have just told them - go ahead & have a play with it if you want to see it - just put your name in so that I don't put you in to the admin system and start sending you emails!

[Dynamic Entertainment]

Youve got me intrigued now. Is it that good a system? can i have a play? :D

[rob1963]

Fancy saying who it is then.... pretty please :D

Well, Angela said "he", so we know it's neither of the forum's female members, and I can assure you it wasn't me, which narrows it down even further!

:D

[Booche]

Well, Angela said "he", so we know it's neither of the forum's female members, and I can assure you it wasn't me, which narrows it down even further!

:D

Incorrect lol It was Steve who said "he" :P

[Corabar Steve]

Well, Angela said "he", so we know it's neither of the forum's female members, and I can assure you it wasn't me, which narrows it down even further!

:D
Tell us more Hercule

[rob1963]

Tell us more Hercule

Well, mon ami, all that is required is some simple deduction, and you have your culprit.

:D

[Corabar Entertainment]

Youve got me intrigued now. Is it that good a system? can i have a play? :D:lol: Well, you've just had a little look, and Rob - you were looking earlier :D :D :D

[Dynamic Entertainment]

:lol: Well, you've just had a little look, and Rob - you were looking earlier :D :D :D

Lol...didnt bother filling anything in. Just browsing :D

[Corabar Entertainment]

Yes, you checked our availability for Sunday, May 22, 2011.

(Big brother is watching you! :D :D :D )

[Dynamic Entertainment]

Yes, you checked our availability for Sunday, May 22, 2011.

(Big brother is watching you! :D :D :D )

:sofa: :)

[Corabar Entertainment]

:ner:

[DazzyD]

And I'm pretty certain you can all discount me from this mysterious!

Mind you, I have been drinking my sister's home made wine the last few nights so I could have been up to anything! :o


Yes, you checked our availability for Sunday, May 22, 2011.

(Big brother is watching you! :D :D :D )

:eek:

[rob1963]

Rob - you were looking earlier :D :D :D

I was indeed.

I was curious after reading this thread, because there was a suggestion of you hiding prices, and the last time I looked at your website, you had prices on there...so I went to have another look, and discovered you'd made some changes since I last looked, including the removal of your prices.

[Corabar Entertainment]

I know - and I guessed that was why you went to have a look.

I never quoted prices, but used to have a few 'examples', but now that people can get a proper quote within a matter of a minute, I didn't see that there was any point.

[Charlie Brown]

:sofa:

Perhaps I’m opening a can of worms but here goes...

Yes, I read this thread on the bus Angela and couldn’t stop laughing and smiling. People on the bus must have thought I was mad!

Hi MDD, I’m Lisa and have been for a good 12 months! I knew somebody would catch me out eventually. Lisa has spoke to companies (not just discos) all over the UK which gave me the idea for my Posh Party site.

Lisa hasn’t been out for ages but she wanted to try your new automated booking system (which I thought was very good). It had nothing to do with how much you charge! (Obviously that still isn’t a good excuse)
I apologise to all the members who had to deal with Lisa. The intention wasn’t to steal ideas or prices etc but to observe how you dealt with people. How quick did you reply? Did you catch up with Lisa when she didn’t reply?

It was Bands and other entertainers etc who were really interesting. One comedian even inserted a few jokes into his quote.

I was very surprised at the amount of people that didn’t even bother replying.

I keep getting myself into trouble but you gotta see the funny side?* It had to be me. :o

*Although, I do apologise to those whose time I have wasted.

I’m sorry for annoying you (again) Angela & well spotted.

Look out for William Jenkinson folks. ;)

[Dynamic Entertainment]

Charlie...at least on the forum...why not just ask people their procedures. Most would be more than happy to have talked you through it and shown templates etc...

[Corabar Entertainment]

Fair play to you Charlie for admitting it was you!

To answer your questions as to how long it would have taken me to reply, the reply would have been sent about the time this thread was started :D

If you would like to see a copy of the reply, I'll gladly send you a copy! :)

[yourdj]

There is a couple of people i know local to me who do this. do not see the point really?
The price is what you think your worth - in my opinion unless your checking email back time rates.

I would find it pretty irritating if my prices were not on the site.

I have had people call me and ask and be honest and we have spent hours on the phone sharing ideas.
Thats surely much more useful?

I have just come back from a meeting with someone who is kind of mimicking me and
we had a great time talking about speakers and what not.

[DazzyD]

:sofa:

Perhaps I’m opening a can of worms but here goes...

Yes, I read this thread on the bus Angela and couldn’t stop laughing and smiling. People on the bus must have thought I was mad!

Hi MDD, I’m Lisa and have been for a good 12 months! I knew somebody would catch me out eventually. Lisa has spoke to companies (not just discos) all over the UK which gave me the idea for my Posh Party site.

Lisa hasn’t been out for ages but she wanted to try your new automated booking system (which I thought was very good). It had nothing to do with how much you charge! (Obviously that still isn’t a good excuse)
I apologise to all the members who had to deal with Lisa. The intention wasn’t to steal ideas or prices etc but to observe how you dealt with people. How quick did you reply? Did you catch up with Lisa when she didn’t reply?

It was Bands and other entertainers etc who were really interesting. One comedian even inserted a few jokes into his quote.

I was very surprised at the amount of people that didn’t even bother replying.

I keep getting myself into trouble but you gotta see the funny side?* It had to be me. :o

*Although, I do apologise to those whose time I have wasted.

I’m sorry for annoying you (again) Angela & well spotted.

Look out for William Jenkinson folks. ;)

Am I losing my touch? Am I the only one who didn't see this coming? Looking back it just screams "Charlie"! :doh:

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I think Mr Brown may have got this particular practise from me. I regularly email people to see how quickly they answer, what kind of service they provide and the sort of prices they go out for.

It's called market research and is very useful for finding out about people, especially when people have a lot to say on here...:sj:

[Corabar Steve]

I think Mr Brown may have got this particular practise from me. I regularly email people to see how quickly they answer, what kind of service they provide and the sort of prices they go out for.

It's called market research and is very useful for finding out about people, especially when people have a lot to say on here...:sj:
Yeah, thanks for that Shirley

[Shaun]

Personally I cannot stand it when DJs use such methods....and I know many of you do. I just wish they would pick up the phone and have a good chat with me about things and we can exchange ideas and talk shop, it could be a beneficial networking exercise for all parties if they weren't so deceitful. I know many won't agree (mainly those that prefer the underhanded...sorry I meant market research method :p) but I think it's completely dishonest, shady and a waste of my time if they contact me pretending to be someone they're not. Each to their own I suppose.


I used to pass on a fair bit of work to a local DJ, till he called me up trying to disguise his voice. I played along gave him my price. I've never given him work since. The fool also called from his own number so it came up his business name on my caller I.D. :muppet:

Doing this kind of 'market research' on me is a good way to lose potential work and friendship from me if I ever found out.

[Corabar Entertainment]

I don't always spot the 'spoofs', obviously, but when I do, it depends on what mood I'm in as to what I'll do with them.

If I'm not too busy I'll just carry on regardless and deal as a normal enquiry. When I'm busy, I have been known to just completely ignore them.

Today I'm tired and unfocused, and could do without the 'extras' the day after coming back from BPM.... plus it leapt off the page at me as a spoof.

It's not a practice that I subscribe to, but accept that it's a fact of life.

[Charlie Brown]

Charlie...at least on the forum...why not just ask people their procedures. Most would be more than happy to have talked you through it and shown templates etc...

It was very interesting because there was a thread about chasing up clients etc and what people said on that thread was very different to what they actually did! Some didn't even respond to the original email.


Fair play to you Charlie for admitting it was you!

If you would like to see a copy of the reply, I'll gladly send you a copy! :)

Wow! Thank you for being so understanding. I thought you'd be mad at me. :o

Friends? :blush:

I'm cool regarding the reply - It was generally to try out the automated system before I gave Martin the go ahead to do the same on mine. :o

...P.S - I'm pretty honest when I want to me and generally admit when I'm wrong. ;)



Am I losing my touch? Am I the only one who didn't see this coming? Looking back it just screams "Charlie"! :doh:

Yup - you're loosing your touch. :sj:

[Corabar Entertainment]

It was very interesting because there was a thread about chasing up clients etc and what people said on that thread was very different to what they actually did! Some didn't even respond to the original email.
But as I said, on another day, I would quite possibly have just ignored it too. Maybe some of the others found you out?

(Great way of lulling other DJs in to a false sense of security! :lol:)

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I respect your opinion Shaun, but it is not deceitful at all.

Ever heard of secret shoppers? Watch the world's top chef in action trying to find a the UK's best restaurant. He sends in secret diners. A lot of companies do it so they can improve their practises and see how staff should have dealt with the client etc.

I regularly speak with local companies and DJs to exchange views and network, but you aren't going to find out the real person and the way you do business unless they think you are a client.

It's not so much about the money and charges, more about how they do business and how I can improve mine.

[Dynamic Entertainment]

Its given practice in hotels when awarding rosettes/stars etc etc

[DazzyD]

Charlie, you didn't send me a list of requests the other week with absolutely nothing else on them did you? It looked like it was written by a young child. I'll see if I can find the email out (but think I deleted it as it screamed "SPAM"!)

Edit:

Found it! You're not also "Abbie Shotter" are you?

[Charlie Brown]

Personally I cannot stand it when DJs use such methods....and I know many of you do.

It's hard to explain...

If I had a chat with you or Angela at BPM I'd tell you the things you'd want to hear and disguise the things you wouldn't.

People are never completely honest so it's really hard to see what's the truth and what isn't.

You caught me out Angela because I didn't do my usual waffle! To really stir things up, a few of you may remember this:

Hi! My husband and I are enquiring about your Wedding entertainment services. We're off to Spain in a few days but thought we better start preparing our investigation for a good Dj! We're looking forward to a week without Chocolate Fountains, Invitations and Dresses so if you could get back to me via email I'd be most grateful. Many thanks, Lisa and Mark

*awaits abuse*



Charlie, you didn't send me a list of requests the other week with absolutely nothing else on them did you? It looked like it was written by a young child. I'll see if I can find the email out (but think I deleted it as it screamed "SPAM"!)

Nahh, Lisa has been in bed for a good few months!

[Shaun]

I know it goes on, Daz. I just don't agree with it. I just prefer to concentrate on my own business and don't worry about how others run theirs, so contacting others to see how they deal with clients is not something I've even considered.




I remember this topic was covered a while back, and since then I started doing IP checks on 'suspect' IP's. There's been one or two from out the area that I suspected might be someone that knows me online. I've even run their IP's through the forum IP checker (well, there's gotta be some advantages to working here ;)). Angela, try that next time and you'll soon find out who it is. :d


It's hard to explain...

If I had a chat with you or Angela at BPM I'd tell you the things you'd want to hear and disguise the things you wouldn't.



Why disguise things that you think I wouldn't want to hear? Sorry, I just don't get it.

[yourdj]

I know it goes on, Daz. I just don't agree with it. I just prefer to concentrate on my own business and don't worry about how others run theirs, so contacting others to see how they deal with clients is not something I've even considered.

Could not :agree: more.

I have looked at lots of other DJ sites but not pretended to be someone else.

anyone half decent i call them like earlier and go for a beer. :beer1:

[Charlie Brown]

Why disguise things that you think I wouldn't want to hear? Sorry, I just don't get it.

No, I'm sort of suggesting that's what humans do.

What people say to you face to face is actually very different to what they do in reality. That's what I meant.

[Corabar Entertainment]

No, I'm sort of suggesting that's what humans do.

What people say to you face to face is actually very different to what they do in reality. That's what I meant.
Even if I did sort of agree with what you are saying, surely if what you are doing is seeing if there is anything you can do to improve your own business then having them exaggerate is likely to give you the 'ideas' you are looking for which you can adapt to your own business?

How does having an enquiry unanswered help you in any way?

[Shaun]

No, I'm sort of suggesting that's what humans do.

What people say to you face to face is actually very different to what they do in reality. That's what I meant.

I'm no psychologist but I tend to take what people tell me at face value, more-so when I'm talking with friends. I wouldn't get very far in life if I were to go about lying to people or thinking that they're lying to me. Sure there are dishonest people, but for the most part I tend to believe that most people are genuine.

[Spirits High]

:sofa:

Perhaps I’m opening a can of worms but here goes...

Yes, I read this thread on the bus Angela and couldn’t stop laughing and smiling. People on the bus must have thought I was mad!

Hi MDD, I’m Lisa and have been for a good 12 months! I knew somebody would catch me out eventually. Lisa has spoke to companies (not just discos) all over the UK which gave me the idea for my Posh Party site.

Lisa hasn’t been out for ages but she wanted to try your new automated booking system (which I thought was very good). It had nothing to do with how much you charge! (Obviously that still isn’t a good excuse)
I apologise to all the members who had to deal with Lisa. The intention wasn’t to steal ideas or prices etc but to observe how you dealt with people. How quick did you reply? Did you catch up with Lisa when she didn’t reply?

It was Bands and other entertainers etc who were really interesting. One comedian even inserted a few jokes into his quote.

I was very surprised at the amount of people that didn’t even bother replying.

I keep getting myself into trouble but you gotta see the funny side?* It had to be me. :o

*Although, I do apologise to those whose time I have wasted.

I’m sorry for annoying you (again) Angela & well spotted.

Look out for William Jenkinson folks. ;)

This thread got me thinking I'd heard that name before :eek:

And I was right....back in April and it has since been followed up but suprise suprise no reply.


To really stir things up, a few of you may remember this:

Hi! My husband and I are enquiring about your Wedding entertainment services. We're off to Spain in a few days but thought we better start preparing our investigation for a good Dj! We're looking forward to a week without Chocolate Fountains, Invitations and Dresses so if you could get back to me via email I'd be most grateful. Many thanks, Lisa and Mark

*awaits abuse*


That's the one :Censored:

Well if you're going to do this kind of thing and some people are bothering to reply and follow things up at least have a bit of politeness and email to say you've found someone else etc.

I've shared a lot of stuff with you Charlie and you know all you need to do is ask.

[Shakermaker Promotions]

In my opinion, I don't see a problem with checking out the LOCAL competitors and what they do, how they do it. Not just to check prices etc but other stuff.

I think it's a bit silly doing it to people that are on a forum you post on.

[rob1963]

I've never understood why any business would have a problem with people mystery shopping them unless they have something to hide.

As previously mentioned, mystery shopping goes on all over the place, and I agree with it 100%.

It's all very well businesses asking people to contact them directly, say who they are & ask what they want to know, but how does the enquirer know whether the business is telling them the actual truth or just saying what they think the enquirer wants/needs to hear?

In reality, the only way to discover how a business replies to enquiries, how quickly they reply & what quotes they give is to pose as an enquirer yourself.

[Corabar Entertainment]

But if, as has been suggested, what people want to know is 'how?', rather than 'how much?', then surely asking directly gives all the information they want? - ie: what additional benefit is there in actually receiving a 'live' reply via a spoof request, over a copy of the email template provided if someone asked directly, and of what possible benefit is it to you to know that xyz discos replies in 5 hours when they told you they replied within 2? :confused: :confused:

[Shaun]

In reality, the only way to discover how a business replies to enquiries, how quickly they reply & what quotes they give is to pose as an enquirer yourself.

Personally, I don't need to know how other businesses reply, how quickly they reply, or how much they quote? All of which have no bearing or relevence on the way I operate or how I run my business. All I need to know is how I'm going to reply to potential clients, I really have no inclination to know what others do. I've managed pretty well up to this point concentrating solely on my own business. I couldn't tell you what any other local DJ in my area charges (with the exception of Gary from Soundmasters, as we've discussed pricing and other business aspects during our many chats).


I've never understood why any business would have a problem with people mystery shopping them unless they have something to hide.



To insinuate that some people might have something to hide because they disagree with the methods being discussed is kind of insulting. Hey-ho, you're entitled to your opinion like the rest of us. I think the main thing that would annoy me is that I'm wasting my time drafting up a reply, and then the subsequent follow up email. Things are bad enough when we get the run-a-round from real potential clients so it's that extra bit enfuriating when it's another DJ. Surely you can see and understand that point of view even though you disagree with it?

If people need to do this kind of market research/secret shopper method to make their business run better then fair enough, I just don't agree with it and don't have the need to do it for my business. As as I said earlier, each to their own.

[Charlie Brown]

I've never understood why any business would have a problem with people mystery shopping them unless they have something to hide.

As previously mentioned, mystery shopping goes on all over the place, and I agree with it 100%.

It's all very well businesses asking people to contact them directly, say who they are & ask what they want to know, but how does the enquirer know whether the business is telling them the actual truth or just saying what they think the enquirer wants/needs to hear?

In reality, the only way to discover how a business replies to enquiries, how quickly they reply & what quotes they give is to pose as an enquirer yourself.

Robs hit the nail on the head. :beer1: :approve:

He's also been very kind because as he damn well knows - he's been a victim of Lisa! Rob's probably been the worst effected because "Mark", Lisa's husband to be was an ex-technician and started quizzing Rob on the importance of DMX'ing.

Rob, I apologise.

Sincere apologies to Paul as well. His was probably the only one which didn't sound like a standard text. He even wished Lisa a happy holiday and mentioned he was escaping himself. I really liked that.

[Shaun]

Rob, I apologise.

Sincere apologies to Paul as well. His was probably the only one which didn't sound like a standard text. He even wished Lisa a happy holiday and mentioned he was escaping himself. I really liked that.

If you see nothing wrong with the methods you've used why are you apologising?

[Corabar Entertainment]

...and what benefit have you received?

[Charlie Brown]

If you see nothing wrong with the methods you've used why are you apologising?

I'm apologising because Rob & Paul are two of my favourite members. I often have chats with Paul outside the forum and send Rob the occasional "How are you" PM. I don't want them narked off at me for wasting their time.

Trying to keep peace? :)

[Shaun]

I don't want them narked off at me for wasting their time.

Trying to keep peace? :)

Then by default you have to admit that the methods you've used could be annoying or upsetting to those you've contacted?

This is why I personally could never contemplate attemting to contact people by such methods. I'd think to myself - If there's a chance I could upset anyone I'd rather just not take the step in the first place. It's just the way I am.

[rob1963]

But if, as has been suggested, what people want to know is 'how?', rather than 'how much?', then surely asking directly gives all the information they want?

Only if the business decides it is happy to answer their question.


what additional benefit is there in actually receiving a 'live' reply via a spoof request, over a copy of the email template provided if someone asked directly

The benefit is that you would find out the actual reply they give to enquirers, whereas if you say who you are & ask for their email template, they may decide not to give it to you.

I recall a couple of threads where people asked about how to reply to email enquiries & what information to include. I was one of a very few people to post up my actual email template reply, but for some reason only a handful of people chose to do this.

Therefore, in some situations, it's clear that you will get more information and more accurate information by posing as a potential customer than by being up front about who you are & what you want to know.

[Charlie Brown]

...and what benefit have you received?

Quite a bit...As I said, Dj's didn't give a lot away but here were my findings in that sector:

The obvious people (from the forum) replied quickly and efficiently as I expected. There was one member, who is very respected on here, didn't reply at all.

The local competition, (bar two) was very poor. Some took up to three days to reply and weren't very informative. One lady said "If you want to book, it's a £20 deposit" & ignored my questions completely.

One bloke told me how other Dj's will harp on about PLI, PAT etc and that in reality it's completely irrelevant.

Only 3 people (out of 25?) bothered to catch up with Lisa.

I also gave Good Party a whirl and I didn't receive one reply from that! I reckon that's being wasted. It was at a nice hotel in Nottingham with a £250-500 budget.

It was interesting how Rob handled Lisa's partner to be. I thought that was really good.

Locally overall: Pretty dire. Derby performed a lot better than Nottingham.

On the forum: Exceptional, in terms of speed, informative etc. Bar one who didn't reply.

[Corabar Entertainment]

The benefit is that you would find out the actual reply they give to enquirers,I still don't see how that benefits you :confused:

[Charlie Brown]

I still don't see how that benefits you :confused:

Where are you going wrong?

Why aren't people coming back to you but Joe Blogs down the road?

Is it too short? Is all the relevant information in there? Perhaps it's too long and wordy to read?

Nobody included any pictures (which I do) and nobody included a good testimonial which I also do.

[Shaun]

I also gave Good Party a whirl and I didn't receive one reply from that! I reckon that's being wasted. It was at a nice hotel in Nottingham with a £250-500 budget.



This is even worse in my opinion. Wasting peoples time is one thing, but with goodparty I believe the DJ has to pay to receive the details of the lead. Wasting people's money is a complete no-no as far as I'm concerned.

Now I know you didn't receive a reply, but you did post the fake details with the intention to receive them.

[Corabar Entertainment]

Quite apart from the fact that I still don't see how you have benefited from knowing how quickly forum members replied to an enquiry, I really think you crossed the line here:
I also gave Good Party a whirl and I didn't receive one reply from that! I reckon that's being wasted. It was at a nice hotel in Nottingham with a £250-500 budget. If DJs had replied, not only were you wasting their time, but they had to BUY those details in the first place! (I don't care that it is only £2. If everyone did that, that would be a lot of money straight down the drain) :Censored:

[Charlie Brown]

This is even worse in my opinion. Wasting peoples time is one thing, but with goodparty I believe the DJ has to pay to receive the details of the lead. Wasting people's money is a complete no-no as far as I'm concerned.

On hindsight, I couldn't agree more. I knew it would be spotted when I was typing it out a minute ago.

It could be seen as a positive as nobody replied!

[Charlie Brown]

BUY those details in the first place! (I don't care that it is only £2. If everyone did that, that would be a lot of money straight down the drain) :Censored:


....Which no one did!

Yet everyone moans how Good Party doesn't work. I've had three gigs from there now.

[Corabar Entertainment]

Where are you going wrong?

Why aren't people coming back to you but Joe Blogs down the road?

Is it too short? Is all the relevant information in there? Perhaps it's too long and wordy to read?

Nobody included any pictures (which I do) and nobody included a good testimonial which I also do.
But from what you've said, people AREN'T going to Joe Bloggs down the road, and, in any event, it isn't only Joe Bloggs down the road you have been contacting.

[Corabar Entertainment]

....Which no one did!Which is really completely irrelevant, isn't it?

[Charlie Brown]

But from what you've said, people AREN'T going to Joe Bloggs down the road, and, in any event, it isn't only Joe Bloggs down the road you have been contacting.

When did I say they weren't?

I don't think it matters on location. Somebody in Wales could be over loaded with work yet somebody in York could have none!

What's the person in Wales doing right?

Is it how they deal with potential clients? Perhaps it's by recommendations?

These are the aspects I was trying to eliminate and establish. I've questioned whether the picture on my website is turning down a lot of work etc.



Which is really completely irrelevant, isn't it?

In some ways yes and in others no. Now I know Dj's in Nottingham & Derby don't really bother with Good Party, I don't mind throwing some more money at it and taking the time to buy and distribute quotes. I got the impression clients were being flooded with requests from Dj's - doesn't seem to be the case.

[Corabar Entertainment]

When did I say they weren't? Were going round in circles here and my head hurts :lol:

[rob1963]

Robs hit the nail on the head. :beer1: :approve:

He's also been very kind because as he damn well knows - he's been a victim of Lisa! Rob's probably been the worst effected because "Mark", Lisa's husband to be was an ex-technician and started quizzing Rob on the importance of DMX'ing.

Rob, I apologise.



Thanks Charlie, but there's no need to apologise!

I have no problem with people asking about my business, whether they are up front about it or whether they do it posing as a customer.

I'm proud of my business & how I run it, and have nothing to hide, and no problem with mystery shoppers.


I'm apologising because Rob & Paul are two of my favourite members. I often have chats with Paul outside the forum and send Rob the occasional "How are you" PM. I don't want them narked off at me for wasting their time.

Charlie, for the record, you're probably one of the LAST people on this forum who could get me narked off!


It was interesting how Rob handled Lisa's partner to be. I thought that was really good.

Thanks Charlie...that's good to hear.

I remember the enquiry well, but can't recall exactly how I replied, as it was a little while ago now.


I still don't see how that benefits you :confused:

Because if I know how other businesses reply to enquiries, I can compare that to my own replies, and might discover others are mentioning things that could be important which I'm not including in my own replies. I could therefore use this information to improve my own reply template which could lead to a better take up rate.

[Charlie Brown]

Were going round in circles here and my head hurts :lol:

I completely understand your point and I probably wouldn't want somebody repeatedly wasting my time. Again, I apologise and hopefully we can laugh Lisa off and move on. :beer1:

I'll say good night! It's a good excuse for you to go to sleep at a normal time. :daft:

:)

[Corabar Entertainment]

Because if I know how other businesses reply to enquiries, I can compare that to my own replies, and might discover they are mentioning things which are important which I'm not including in my own replies. I could therefore use this information to improve my own reply template which could lead to a better take up rate.Ah... but we've been discussing the benefits of 'spoof' over directly asking - and also bear in mind that in this case we are talking about forum members who all know each other relatively well.

I've said, Shaun's said, Paul's said, and you've said we'd happily pass on a copy of our templates to Charlie if he asked, so my question was based around the scenario we are discussing.


I completely understand your point and I probably wouldn't want somebody repeatedly wasting my time. Again, I apologise and hopefully we can laugh Lisa off and move on. :beer1:

I'll say good night! It's a good excuse for you to go to sleep at a normal time. :daft:

:)Charlie - it's water under the bridge. I would certainly have preferred it if you had come and asked me directly, but c'est la vie!

I possibly wouldn't have mentioned it at all on another day.... but your timing was lousy!

[rob1963]

I've never understood why any business would have a problem with people mystery shopping them unless they have something to hide.


To insinuate that some people might have something to hide because they disagree with the methods being discussed is kind of insulting.

I'm not insinuating that at all, Shaun.

I'm saying that I DON'T UNDERSTAND why a business would have a problem with people mystery shopping them unless they have something to hide.


I think the main thing that would annoy me is that I'm wasting my time drafting up a reply, and then the subsequent follow up email. Things are bad enough when we get the run-a-round from real potential clients so it's that extra bit enfuriating when it's another DJ. Surely you can see and understand that point of view even though you disagree with it?

I can indeed understand that point of view, Shaun.

However, if you have a template for replies to email enquiries, it shouldn't take long to hit reply, cut & paste the template as your response, add their name, the function date, the quote amount & then hit the send button.

The follow up email would presumably be another template, so this should be just as quick to process.

Unlike you, I get very flattered if I discover that people think my business is worth mystery shopping!

Also, as a direct result of this practice (thanks Darren!), I've been able to go from a very poor 1-2 sentence enquiry reply to a proper reply template which is much more professional & gives far more additional information which sells my business better than ever before.

[Shaun]

I can indeed understand that point of view, Shaun.

However, if you have a template for replies to email enquiries, it shouldn't take long to hit reply, cut & paste the template as your response, add their name, the function date, the quote amount & then hit the send button.


I try to juggle running a business whilst raising my 15 month old daughter now that my better half has gone back to work full time. Add on top of that the running of the forum, my design commitments, everything else I have going on, plus trying to have a life on top of that - any time wasted on fake enquiries is time I don't wish to give, no matter how little that time may be. For some people (yourself included) it might not be a big deal to have to reply to fake enquiries but I see it differently. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. :)

[Charlie Brown]

Perhaps I’m opening a can of worms but here goes...


69 posts later...yup, I think I did!

[Shaun]

69 posts later...yup, I think I did!

You certainly did. :d

It's not all bad. Healthy debate is good. It'd be boring if we all thought and did the same things. :beer1:

[Corabar Entertainment]

:agree:

Oh... and for the record - I think I opened this particular can of worms :lol:

[Shaun]

Oh... and for the record - I think I opened this particular can of worms :lol:

Possibly, but Charlie packed them worms into the tin in the first place. :d

[Corabar Entertainment]

Very true :D

[Charlie Brown]

It's not all bad. Healthy debate is good. It'd be boring if we all thought and did the same things. :beer1:

I can't possibly take you seriously with that avatar. :sj: :D

[deltaforce]

Yes rob is very helpful helped me out with a template and other stuff
cant see anything wrong with contacting other dj's though i havent myself but know loads that do, hope you found out everything you need to know charlie
If that is your name [lol]

[Excalibur]

I can't possibly take you seriously with that avatar. :sj: :D

Charlie. Give him a drink, and point a camera at him. ;) That image will haunt me for the rest oif my life!:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[soundtracker]

If someone pinches a chunk of text or a photo and passes it off as their own, all hell breaks loose. If someone spoofs enquiries with the intention of using the wording for their own benefit, its O.K?

Er...not in my world!

[rob1963]

I try to juggle running a business whilst raising my 15 month old daughter now that my better half has gone back to work full time. Add on top of that the running of the forum, my design commitments, everything else I have going on, plus trying to have a life on top of that - any time wasted on fake enquiries is time I don't wish to give, no matter how little that time may be. For some people (yourself included) it might not be a big deal to have to reply to fake enquiries but I see it differently. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. :)

That's fair comment Shaun, and I can't argue with any of it.

Bearing in mind our very different situations, I guess it's not hard to understand why we have very different views on this subject.


Yes rob is very helpful helped me out with a template and other stuff

Thanks Deltaforce, I'm glad to help.

Surprising as it might seem to many, I'm often PMd or phoned by other forum members for advice, and feel confident that none of them would say anything less than I've always been very helpful.

That's what the forum is all about.

[Mark Wild]

Why am I not surprised Charles pretended to be a woman?

[Excalibur]

Why am I not surprised Charles pretended to be a woman?

Better men than he have done it. Do you wanna see the piccy again? :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[Mark Wild]

Better men than he have done it. Do you wanna see the piccy again? :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

No thanks Petulia :D

[Steve the DJ]

I agree with Shaun, dummy enquiries are a waste of my time and I will never thank you for it no matter how you wish to dress it up.

If you want a quote or to see how I word replies, just ask, don't mess me about.

:Censored:

[Spirits High]

I left this thread last night at about 12.30 as I was a little "miffed" to say the least and have a nice little sleep but after reading it again this morning I am still "miffed" :mad:




Personally, I don't need to know how other businesses reply, how quickly they reply, or how much they quote? All of which have no bearing or relevence on the way I operate or how I run my business. All I need to know is how I'm going to reply to potential clients, I really have no inclination to know what others do. I've managed pretty well up to this point concentrating solely on my own business. I couldn't tell you what any other local DJ in my area charges (with the exception of Gary from Soundmasters, as we've discussed pricing and other business aspects during our many chats).

To insinuate that some people might have something to hide because they disagree with the methods being discussed is kind of insulting. Hey-ho, you're entitled to your opinion like the rest of us. I think the main thing that would annoy me is that I'm wasting my time drafting up a reply, and then the subsequent follow up email. Things are bad enough when we get the run-a-round from real potential clients so it's that extra bit enfuriating when it's another DJ. Surely you can see and understand that point of view even though you disagree with it?

If people need to do this kind of market research/secret shopper method to make their business run better then fair enough, I just don't agree with it and don't have the need to do it for my business. As as I said earlier, each to their own.

100% :agree:




If you see nothing wrong with the methods you've used why are you apologising?

Indeed as many of us have said....Just ask as you have done in the past.



...and what benefit have you received?

The farming of other peoples templates.....which he could have had if he'd asked and there would be no bad feeling towards you from some forum members


I'm apologising because Rob & Paul are two of my favourite members. I often have chats with Paul outside the forum and send Rob the occasional "How are you" PM. I don't want them narked off at me for wasting their time.

Trying to keep peace? :)

We've had many chats via PM Facebook etc and you know you only need to ask, I'm feeling a bit used by this whole thing and you have forgotten one of lifes golden rules never "poo" on your own doorstep as you'll end up slipping over in it eventually.



Only 3 people (out of 25?) bothered to catch up with Lisa.


And "Lisa" didn't bother to catch up either..........until now!





Yet everyone moans how Good Party doesn't work. I've had three gigs from there now.

Not me and I think you'll find I'm part of everyone. Got 2 very decent paying Weddings from it for next year


If someone pinches a chunk of text or a photo and passes it off as their own, all hell breaks loose. If someone spoofs enquiries with the intention of using the wording for their own benefit, its O.K?

Er...not in my world!

:agree:

All in all probably not one of your greatest ideas Charlie but each to their own.

[Corabar Entertainment]

That's what the forum is all about.Well, that's something we can agree on, and probably why most people are rather upset that Charlie didn't do that.

[DJ Tony McQue]

Personally I cannot stand it when DJs use such methods....and I know many of you do. I just wish they would pick up the phone and have a good chat with me about things and we can exchange ideas and talk shop, it could be a beneficial networking exercise for all parties if they weren't so deceitful. I know many won't agree (mainly those that prefer the underhanded...sorry I meant market research method :p) but I think it's completely dishonest, shady and a waste of my time if they contact me pretending to be someone they're not. Each to their own I suppose.


I used to pass on a fair bit of work to a local DJ, till he called me up trying to disguise his voice. I played along gave him my price. I've never given him work since. The fool also called from his own number so it came up his business name on my caller I.D. :muppet:

Doing this kind of 'market research' on me is a good way to lose potential work and friendship from me if I ever found out.

I have got to say I agree with Shaun here, since joining this forum I have learnt there are so many people willing to share information and ideas that there is no need to lie about who you are. If anyone contacted me directly and asked how much I would charge for a certain gig, I would be more than happy to talk about my fees and talk shop. I was lucky that when I went from doing clubs and bars to the mobile work, I was getting married so I got quite a few quotes for a DJ for our wedding (There were some wild variations in pricing but you could easily see why the cheapest quotes would end in misery).

The things that set us all apart are the way in which we deal with clients, how we perform and the quailty of equipment that we put out. My business reputation is built on my skillset, experience and the quality of service that I provide so what my compeititors charge is pretty irrelavent in that respect. If someone comes back to me asking why I am more expensive than another company, I just explain what I offer and leave it up to them. You will know if you are too expensive for you area if you don't manage to convert enquiries into bookings, I know this as I went through a spell of getting very little work. I think I have nailed it now as I am currently sitting at about an 80% success rate for conversions for this year.

[Kernow]

Why am I not surprised Charles pretended to be a woman?

Bleach blonde, fake tan...... Go figure ;) :D :D :D

[Wayno]

I don't get it...
...What does email response times from DJs and their content have to do with being an Estate Agent, Quantative Surveor, Astronaught or whatever Charlie is planning to be this week?:p

Coming back on topic I don't agree with wasting other peoples time and money, especially when your supposed to be their "friends" on this forum and not when 99% of the membership will gladly offer the information anyway if you had just asked.

[Mark Wild]

Maybe we should all do a little market research on Charles and see how he deals with enquiries himself, one from each member should keep him busy for a while. LOL !

[rob1963]

Coming back on topic I don't agree with wasting other peoples time and money

How is it wasting peoples time & money?

Regardless of whether you ask someone for a quote in the guise of a customer OR if you contact them as yourself & openly ask what they charge...they still have to spend time answering, so what's the difference?

:confused:


99% of the membership will gladly offer the information anyway if you had just asked.

Sorry, but I don't think that's the case.

For example, I once openly asked a member (with no prices on their website) what they charged, and they didn't give me an answer!

If I sent a PM to 20 or 30 people asking what they charged so that I could compare my prices to other mobile discos around the country, I doubt very much whether I'd get an answer from anywhere near the 99% you suggest...and that's why some people feel the need to pose as a potential customer to get information.

Thinking about it, I'm very tempted to try the PM exercise so I can find out whether my suspicions about the response rate are correct. Maybe I will!

;)

[Shakermaker Promotions]

How is it wasting peoples time & money?

Regardless of whether you ask someone for a quote in the guise of a customer OR if you contact them as yourself & openly ask what they charge...they still have to spend time answering, so what's the difference?

:confused:
Sorry, but I don't think that's the case.


Rob, you are missing the point. I don't think you get it at all.
I've done it myself when checking out the local competitors and it IS wasting their time. I hold my hands up to that totally but (probably like Charlie), I was doing a bit of market research. Personally, I am very busy and would be peeved off if people were wasting my time with fake enquiries etc (and I have 2 this week!).

To do it to people who you call 'friends' on a forum that you frequent regularly is out of order in my opinion. I like Charlie and I like the way he does what he does (generally) as he looks focused etc but I think he has had a mad minute. I would not do it to people on this forum no matter what.

[Shaun]

If I sent a PM to 20 or 30 people asking what they charged so that I could compare my prices to other mobile discos around the country


Different DJs work in different markets and offer different levels of service, have differing levels of experience and a whole load of other factors that come into play when offering a quote. So I'm not sure what such an exercise would achieve if I'm honest. I base my prices on a lot of factors that are relevant to my business model, my running costs, how much profit I like to make etc, so my pricing is a reflection on that. What other DJs charge around the country (or indeed in my own locality) has no bearing on what I charge, and I can't think of any reason why I personally would need to know what others charge anywhere in the country...other than being a nosey :Censored:. Fair enough I could understand why DJs would like to have an idea of what others charge in the same area, but would I need to know what a DJ in Wales/London/Birmingham [ delete as applicable] charge? Short sharp answer is no.

I've openly talked shop and prices with DJs privately. Would I reply to such a query via PM? To be completely honest it would depend on the member really. If it were someone I liked and respected, and felt they didn't have any potential ulterior motives then I'd happily talk shop with them and divulge details of my business that could be beneficial to them. Although I'd ask them to give me a call instead of PM'ing. It's always nice to chat in person with someone.

It's the same openly on the forum (and in real life for that matter). We pick and choose our conversations and who to give our time to and who to give help to, especially when free time is limited. If I have time and can help, and like the person I can be very giving and generous. Going back to the kind of 'market research' we're talking about. If people want to use that approach then just carry on. That kind of practise isn't for me. Each to their own.




:beer1:

[rob1963]

Rob, you are missing the point. I don't think you get it at all.
I've done it myself when checking out the local competitors and it IS wasting their time. I hold my hands up to that totally but (probably like Charlie), I was doing a bit of market research. Personally, I am very busy and would be peeved off if people were wasting my time with fake enquiries etc (and I have 2 this week!).

To do it to people who you call 'friends' on a forum that you frequent regularly is out of order in my opinion. I like Charlie and I like the way he does what he does (generally) as he looks focused etc but I think he has had a mad minute. I would not do it to people on this forum no matter what.

So if I openly sent a PM to 20 or 30 members asking what they charged so I could compare my prices to other discos, do you agree with Wayno that 99% of them would answer my question?

For the record, when I first went full time, I made enquiries to half a dozen local discos for market research.

However, I've never pretended to be a potential customer & made an enquiry to anyone on this forum, but if I DID, I certainly wouldn't use my own computer as the IP could be traced & I could be identified. I'd go to a friend's house & use their computer, because if people sus you're not a genuine enquirer, it defeats the whole object.


Different DJs work in different markets and offer different levels of service, have differing levels of experience and a whole load of other factors that come into play when offering a quote. So I'm not sure what such an exercise would achieve if I'm honest.

Well, let's say you knew of someone in your area who also did weddings, but had a lot less experience than you, didn't issue contracts, carried no back up equipment, didn't take requests & sometimes turned up late.

If you enquired discovered they were charging the same as you, that would suggest that maybe you were undercharging for your own services, so to answer your question, what it would achieve is a more realistic (ie higher) price than you'd previously been charging.

P.S. Sorry Shaun, but since changing you're avatar, I just haven't been able to take you seriously!

:D :D :D

[Shaun]

If you enquired discovered they were charging the same as you, that would suggest that maybe you were undercharging for your own services, so to answer your question, what it would achieve is a more realistic (ie higher) price than you'd previously been charging.



Firstly, I wouldn't enquire in the first place. I'd give the gig to a DJ I personally know would give a good service. But hypothetically speaking I know I wouldn't be under-charging as I'm currently happy with my pricing for the service I provide. But it would suggest the other DJ was over-charging, but I wouldn't be able say for complete certainty as I wouldn't be privilege to all the facts on how he runs his business and how he came to the conclusion on his pricing. Again, there's not a lot I can do about how the other guy operates, other than carrying on concentrating on my own service and delivering the best service I can.




P.S. Sorry Shaun, but since changing you're avatar, I just haven't been able to take you seriously!

:D :D :D

I was under the impression no one took me seriously anyway. :d

[Shakermaker Promotions]

At the end of the day, my opinion is this....

It's fine if you want to check out what people are doing in your area but to do it people on the forum is wrong.

As you usually say Rob....Now is my time to bow out of this thread.

[rob1963]

Sorry to see you bow out without answering my question in post #92 Gary, but that's your decision.

:)

[paulg]

Charlie Brown:

Here's my current prices / work (which, after being made redundant, I lowered). You only had to ask. I didn't expect being quite so busy in October so I've probably under achieved in terms of income and need another review but .. hey ho, what can you do. It's much quicker to post it on here rather than deal with some clown posing as a customer.

Last weekend for me:

Fri: Wedding (new venue discount) £135 (using the full set up you see on my website)
Sat afternoon: 2hr Kids party, regular venue £95.00 (minimal set up)
Sat night: Karaoke disco £130.00 local pub as a favour (minimal set up)
Sunday afternoon: 2 hr kids party, regular venue, £95.00 (minimal set up)
Sunday night: Wedding £160.00 price matched (using the full set up you see on my website)

Total:£605.00. Probably some of you make this much in one event.

What I charge is reasonable for the capital outlay and for the effort. I'm at the top end of the charging scale in these parts. Pro rata, what I do still equates to about £40,000 per year gross and assuming the same rate of bookings, no roadies, no helpers to pay, it's plenty to be generated by just me, enjoying hard work whilst offering the best deal around. Anymore would be greedy and I would be robbing my valued customers, many of whom have become friends. New bookings already generated from the weekend above - approx 5. More will follow judging by feedback.

Other DJ's working on the same weekend:
Sat: Karaoke leading to a residency
Sun: Disco

You can email through our website. You can ring for prices. If I don't like what you are offering in terms of function and venue, I'll politely tell you so and decline to offer services. That way, I always get to work with the nicest of people. As far as customer services goes, I try to get back to people quickly but it is not always possible. I'd have told you this. Just ask.

If I like the sound of a job on offer and it might lead to additional work, I'll try to offer similar prices to competitors. We offer a like for like price match. My prices will, however, vary from month to month depending on demand or how much I want a job. At the moment, for full disco's, my prices for November are low becuase it is a slow month. Come Christmas it's a different story.

There now. All is laid out before you and I didn't need to be conned into giving out information by some fool posing as a customer. Finally, might I offer you a word of warning for the future. Taking into account my workload, I would never have time to bother other DJ's with trivia and deceit. If I found out I was being messed around by another DJ pretending to do "market research", I'd not be too happy. Infact, I would react very badly.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

If I found out I was being messed around by another DJ pretending to do "market research", I'd not be too happy. Infact, I would react very badly.

Which would mean what exactly?

[Silver]

I respect your opinion Shaun, but it is not deceitful at all.

Ever heard of secret shoppers? Watch the world's top chef in action trying to find a the UK's best restaurant. He sends in secret diners. A lot of companies do it so they can improve their practises and see how staff should have dealt with the client etc.



Personally I don't think this is a 'secret shopper' case. Secret shoppers are sent in to, or check on establishments by their senior management to monitor and test procedures, customer service and all aspects of the business. They then report back to head office with their findings. This is then fed back to the outlet that was checked/visited with a pat on the back and/or areas highlighted that need looking at.

All I'm saying is had Angela not mentioned it, Charlie wouldn't have, so nothing would ever have come of it, therefore no benefit to Corabar Entertainments. So in my view, a waste of somebody's time. http://planetsmilies.net/eat-drink-smiley-5155.gif

[Excalibur]

P.S. Sorry Shaun, but since changing you're avatar, I just haven't been able to take you seriously!

:D :D :D
Think yourself lucky you didn't meet him in the flesh, Rob. ;) :eek: :eek: And according to what he posted later, he was on his best behaviour!!|:D :D :D


. I'm at the top end of the charging scale in these parts.
Unbelievably enough, so am I. Makes it hard when you give 'em a figure, and hear a stunned silence. :( :( :(


.
. Infact, I would react very badly.


Which would mean what exactly?

:pram: :D :D :D :D

OK folks, here's my input. I've been mystery shopped by someone on here, and actually I spotted it. I'd have had to have been blind, senile and drunk not to, no matter what the shopper thought. :D :D

I gave an honest and sensible answer, because I afforded them the courtesy of treating them like any other customer. Then I sent them a Raspberry, by PM. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

I have no problems being mystery shopped, especially by people on here. Usually there's a valid reason for it, so fair enough.

As to the point about openness, Rob for one is indeed a very honest, helpful, and beneficial person to call in these matters. Penfold is another. However, a point I'd like to make is that I have not normally called other DJ's and asked " How much do you charge? ". It has more been for pointers on procedure, and the like.

[Charlie Brown]

Charlie Brown:

Here's my current prices / work (which, after being made redundant,

Thank you very much for sharing. :beer1:

[rob1963]

Thank you very much for sharing. :beer1:

And if you want to know MY prices, Charlie, they're on my website...and they went up yesterday!

:D :D :D

[Charlie Brown]

And if you want to know MY prices, Charlie, they're on my website...and they went up yesterday!

:D :D :D

I'm not at all interested in prices. :) I think someone got the wrong end of the stick. ;)

[rob1963]

I'm not at all interested in prices. :) I think someone got the wrong end of the stick. ;)

I remember now.

You're more interested in DMX lighting, if I remember rightly from Lisa's enquiry!

;) :D :D

[Charlie Brown]

I remember now.

You're more interested in DMX lighting, if I remember rightly from Lisa's enquiry!

;) :D :D

:D

:boxer2:

[Vectis]

I'm at the top end of the charging scale in these parts.

Define "these parts"?

Your street?

I know for a fact that's a nonsense statement otherwise.


(sorry... pricing thing... but the thread was pretty OT anyway)

[Dynamic Entertainment]

And if you want to know MY prices, Charlie, they're on my website...and they went up yesterday!

:D :D :D

Your never worth that are you Rob :D

[Megamix]

Your never worth that are you Rob

Post TV Appearance prices, you're dealing with a celebrity now :D :D :D

[rob1963]

Your never worth that are you Rob :D

You're right...I'm certainly not worth that.

However, I LIKE charging less than I'm worth!

;)


Post TV Appearance prices, you're dealing with a celebrity now :D :D :D

:Laugh:

[Excalibur]

Define "these parts"?

Your street?

I know for a fact that's a nonsense statement otherwise.


(sorry... pricing thing... but the thread was pretty OT anyway)

Yorkshire. ;) Anything above £60 is Major League. ;)

[Charlie Brown]

I think this has been a good thread!

I miss old one's similar to this.

Can we invite Nigel back? :sj:

[Corabar Entertainment]

Can we invite Nigel back? :sj:Alternatively, we could send you off to join him. :p

[Charlie Brown]

Alternatively, we could send you off to join him. :p

:eek: :eek:

Never!

How could you sleep at night knowing I was annoying people on the orange forum!? :D

[Spirits High]

How could you sleep at night knowing I was annoying people on the orange forum!? :D

Quite easily thanks.

[paulg]

Define "these parts"?

Your street?

I know for a fact that's a nonsense statement otherwise.


(sorry... pricing thing... but the thread was pretty OT anyway)

No not my street, although the other DJ on my road moved away about 2 years ago so you're technically correct.

I'm assuming the Isle of Wight is your home? If so, you live on an island with a populaton of 126,000 quite well off people. It has an area of about 146 sq miles. I live in South Yorkshire which has an area of 600 sq miles and population of over 1.3 million people. We border closely onto other urban areas meaning that the over 2 million people area within reach. That is a lot of potential customers but also a lot of potential competition. If you then look at the index of deprivation for your area and mine, you'll see just how lucky you are. Try coming to South Yorkshire and charging much more than we do (£130-£160 on average) and just watch the work ebb away.

I take pride in offering best value for money. Don't knock it.

[soundtracker]

No not my street, although the other DJ on my road moved away about 2 years ago so you're technically correct.

I'm assuming the Isle of Wight is your home? If so, you live on an island with a populaton of 126,000 quite well off people. It has an area of about 146 sq miles. I live in South Yorkshire which has an area of 600 sq miles and population of over 1.3 million people. We border closely onto other urban areas meaning that the over 2 million people area within reach. That is a lot of potential customers but also a lot of potential competition. If you then look at the index of deprivation for your area and mine, you'll see just how lucky you are. Try coming to South Yorkshire and charging much more than we do (£130-£160 on average) and just watch the work ebb away.

I take pride in offering best value for money. Don't knock it.

"Wahey" its ages since we had a "you'll never get that around here" statement!!

[Vectis]

No not my street, although the other DJ on my road moved away about 2 years ago so you're technically correct.

I'm assuming the Isle of Wight is your home? If so, you live on an island with a populaton of 126,000 quite well off people. It has an area of about 146 sq miles. I live in South Yorkshire which has an area of 600 sq miles and population of over 1.3 million people. We border closely onto other urban areas meaning that the over 2 million people area within reach. That is a lot of potential customers but also a lot of potential competition. If you then look at the index of deprivation for your area and mine, you'll see just how lucky you are. Try coming to South Yorkshire and charging much more than we do (£130-£160 on average) and just watch the work ebb away.

I take pride in offering best value for money. Don't knock it.


I'm not going to get into the "patch" comparison stuff because I've done that to death already on other topics.

My comparison was not with my own business but with the hundreds of discos I help arrange UK-wide every month. I have my finger on quite a big pulse, and I know that there's plenty of work out there - even relatively straightforward jobs - for lots more than your rack rates.

Anyway, I don't want to :hijack: this thread any longer, so :zip:

[rob1963]

"Wahey" its ages since we had a "you'll never get that around here" statement!!

Peter,

I think we both need to appreciate the fact that we don't live in South Yorkshire.....or we'd only be able to charge £130-£160.

:whistle:

[Charlie Brown]

Anyway, I don't want to :hijack: this thread any longer, so :zip:

Keep going! Let's divert from the main topic. :sj:

[SC Events]

Just had a thought...!

I purchased an enquiry on GoodParty on 25th May 2010.

The Name: Lisa Clarke
Event: 40th Birthday Party
Date: Friday 11th November 2011 (Enquiry on GoodParty said Friday 13th November 2011!)
Venue: Crowne Plaza Hotel, Nottingham

I was a bit dubious, as to why someone would book a disco for a 40th 19 months in advance, but as it came via GoodParty, thought it would be legit.

I was asked if I would reduce my price by £45 after I had already offered a £50 discount for a promotion I had going at the time! - I said "No."

Was this you Charlie?...If so, you cost me £3.00...as well as time spent answering the enquiry and replying to the responses.

[andyw]

I also gave Good Party a whirl and I didn't receive one reply from that! I reckon that's being wasted. It was at a nice hotel in Nottingham with a £250-500 budget.
.


Just had a thought...!

I purchased an enquiry on GoodParty on 25th May 2010.

The Name: Lisa Clarke
Event: 40th Birthday Party
Date: Friday 11th November 2011 (Enquiry on GoodParty said Friday 13th November 2011!)
Venue: Crowne Plaza Hotel, Nottingham

I was a bit dubious, as to why someone would book a disco for a 40th 19 months in advance, but as it came via GoodParty, thought it would be legit.

I was asked if I would reduce my price by £45 after I had already offered a £50 discount for a promotion I had going at the time! - I said "No."

Was this you Charlie?...If so, you cost me £3.00...as well as time spent answering the enquiry and replying to the responses.

looks like it could of been:eek:
although one day a real lisa clarke will make contact with one of us, and she will be absolutely shocked at the reply she gets:daft:

[Charlie Brown]

Indeed it was Scott. :o

I didn't expect you too bloody reply! You told me you don't cover Nottingham on FB. You're the only one who did mind.

PM me your PayPal email address and I'll send you a virtual beer. :beer1: ;)

[Shaun]

Was this you Charlie?...If so, you cost me £3.00...as well as time spent answering the enquiry and replying to the responses.

Well done, Charlie! Not only did you completely waste people's time you also cost them money.

[yourdj]

PM me your PayPal email address and I'll send you a virtual beer. :beer1: ;)

I would buy him a real beer if I was you or maybe two :beer1:

[Silver]

I only made one comment on this thread originally as I felt enough was said and Charlie had understood what the members thought of his actions and no more need be said.

However, seeing as he has done it again and who knows on maybe more than this once under a different psuedonym I will say my piece.

I think this is totally bang out of order, honestly, who the hell do you think you are to post fictious gig enquiries and waste people's precious time, effort and money AGAIN!

Enough people told you it was wrong but still you think you know better and you'd have another play.

You may well sit behind a desk all day with little else to do other than twiddle your thumbs but people on here have full time businesses to run and can well do without wasting time on matters like this.

Angry, for something that has no direct affect on me, you are http://planetsmilies.net/angry-smiley-8021.gif right I am! Why? Because I would hate it happening to me and immature games like this must be stamped out.

Who do you think you are to go around testing people's sites, performances and systems?

You seriously need to step back and think about yourself rather than trying to see what other people are up to.

http://planetsmilies.net/angry-smiley-1430.gif http://planetsmilies.net/angry-smiley-8013.gif

[Corabar Entertainment]

Before this one goes any further, just to point out...
Just had a thought...!

I purchased an enquiry on GoodParty on 25th May 2010.So I don't think Charlie has done it again - it's just that Scott has only just realised it was Charlie.

However, putting enquiries on Good Party that people have to buy is so far beyond the line it's untrue IMO, but I don't think Charlie will be doing that again (at least I hope that's the case).

[yourdj]

Before this one goes any further, just to point out...So I don't think Charlie has done it again - it's just that Scott has only just realised it was Charlie.

However, putting enquiries on Good Party that people have to buy is so far beyond the line it's untrue IMO, but I don't think Charlie will be doing that again (at least I hope that's the case).

What the hells going on with your avatar. its like a techno vj show for pilled up clubbers.

[Corabar Entertainment]

What the hells going on with your avatar. its like a techno vj show for pilled up clubbers.:lol:

It's not that fast here!

[Shaun]

What the hells going on with your avatar. its like a techno vj show for pilled up clubbers.

Whenever I'm browsing the forum and my wee girl sees your avatar I have to stop scrolling as she cries everytime the "woof woof" dissapears from the screen. :lol:

[Silver]

Before this one goes any further, just to point out...So I don't think Charlie has done it again - it's just that Scott has only just realised it was Charlie.

However, putting enquiries on Good Party that people have to buy is so far beyond the line it's untrue IMO, but I don't think Charlie will be doing that again (at least I hope that's the case).

But he has done it now at least twice that we are aware of. Okay the second one has only just come to light but he didn't put his hands up at the time and mention it, so to warn people who subscribe to Good Party. If he did then I am sorry.

[Charlie Brown]

However, seeing as he has done it again and who knows on maybe more than this once under a different psuedonym I will say my piece. I think this is totally bang out of order, honestly, who the hell do you think you are to post fictious gig enquiries and waste people's precious time, effort and money AGAIN! Enough people told you it was wrong but still you think you know better and you'd have another play.


Wrong, I haven't done it again since we last discussed it on the forum.



You may well sit behind a desk all day with little else to do other than twiddle your thumbs but people on here have full time businesses to run and can well do without wasting time on matters like this.

Please don't patronise me. Thanks.



Because I would hate it happening to me and immature games like this must be stamped out. Who do you think you are to go around testing people's sites, performances and systems?

It's not immature at all. A few of the senior members on here have said they perform this kind of practise. I still don't think it's totaly wrong.



You seriously need to step back and think about yourself rather than trying to see what other people are up to.


Sorry, what do you mean by that? :confused:

[Shakermaker Promotions]

Silver - Charlie has said he hasn't done it again since the last time so that should be enough.

Charlie - If you have continued to do it then...well, I can't stick up for you and the rants directed at you will continue and IF you have done it again then it's fair enough.

[yourdj]

She cries everytime "woof woof"

I actually get that allot when walking on the street so its nothing new :p

Not from girls mind you - Dogs love me. :)


Wrong, I haven't done it again since we last discussed it on the forum.



Please don't patronise me. Thanks.



It's not immature at all. A few of the senior members on here have said they perform this kind of practise. I still don't think it's totaly wrong.



Sorry, what do you mean by that? :confused:

:boxer2: :boxer: fight

[Charlie Brown]

Charlie - If you have continued to do it then...well, I can't stick up for you and the rants directed at you will continue and IF you have done it again then it's fair enough.

:lol:

Thanks Gary but for the last time... THE ENQUIRY WAS MADE ON THE 25TH MAY 2010



:boxer2: :boxer: fight

:confused:

I'm not fighting Toby. Just commenting on Silver's thoughts.

[Silver]

Silver - Charlie has said he hasn't done it again since the last time so that should be enough.

Charlie - If you have continued to do it then...well, I can't stick up for you and the rants directed at you will continue and IF you have done it again then it's fair enough.

I replied to Angela's post #125 and said I didn't realise that the two instances were brought to light originally, I was only aware that there was the one on her site talked about. Had the second one, on Good Party have been mentioned then I must have missed it, so I apologised.

[Corabar Entertainment]

Charlie - I really wouldn't try and get on your high horse on this one.

[Charlie Brown]

Charlie - I really wouldn't try and get on your high horse on this one.

I was being acused for something I hadn't done.

I didn't realise you lot had posted before me.

Sorry if it sounded abrupt.

[Corabar Entertainment]

Sorry if it sounded abrupt.:thumbsup:

[DeckstarDeluxe]

after all this Charlie, what did you learn?

Think all the hassle is worth it?

[Corabar Steve]

Whenever I'm browsing the forum and my wee girl sees your avatar I have to stop scrolling as she cries everytime the "woof woof" dissapears from the screen. :lol:
You might want to try telling her it's a "Miaow". Wouldn't want her growing up confused about what her pets are.

Back on topic:

I think it's outrageous to do this sort of market research on a site that the vendors have to purchase leads. OK 3 quid isn't much, but the person buying the lead is still out of pocket.

[Charlie Brown]

Not worth all of this fuss and upset no.

I know Admin/Mods don't like to close threads but can I request you close this one?

I think everyone has had their say. Wish I'd never admitted to it in the first place. :o

No worries if you can't but I'd be grateful if you can. :)

Cheers. :beer1:

[Corabar Entertainment]

You might want to try telling her it's a "Miaow". Wouldn't want her growing up confused about what her pets are.Not MY avatar, you plonker! Toby's one :daft:
Not worth all of this fuss and upset no.

I know Admin/Mods don't like to close threads but can I request you close this one?

I think everyone has had their say. Wish I'd never admitted to it in the first place. :o

No worries if you can't but I'd be grateful if you can. :)

Cheers. :beer1:Sorry Charlie, but I don't think that closing a thread just because a member doesn't like the content is a dangerous precedent to set.

Nothing personal, and I hope you can understand why.

[Jonathan Ford]

Not worth all of this fuss and upset no.

I know Admin/Mods don't like to close threads but can I request you close this one?

I think everyone has had their say. Wish I'd never admitted to it in the first place. :o

No worries if you can't but I'd be grateful if you can. :)

Cheers. :beer1:

In fairness, Charlie, you probably wouldn't have admitted it if Angela hadn't caught you. I'm not sure closing the thread and wanting it to go away is the best way to handle this.

I have to say I think you've behaved pretty badly in doing this, particularly to friends and colleagues on here, most of which would probably just have given you the information you were after if you'd asked. This practice isn't analogous with "mystery shopping", which incidentally I've frequently used in my past career. A mystery shopper is employed by the client, to assess the clients services...not employed by the client to assess the services of the guy up the road.

Still, well done for offering to refund the GoodParty money to SJS.

[Corabar Steve]

Not MY avatar, you plonker! Toby's
Ok then, the correct term is "Plasticine":devil: :sj:

[Charlie Brown]

Sorry Charlie, but I don't think that closing a thread just because a member doesn't like the content is a dangerous precedent to set.

Nothing personal, and I hope you can understand why.

Understood. :beer1:

[DazzyD]

Just missed a call from a mobile number on my enquiry mobile. I texted back and got the reply they'll call back tonight.

Nothing funny so far... but...

They gave their name as Stu Dent.

Come on, own up! Who's this one now??

[discomobiledj]

Sounds like another Charlie persona

[Megamix]

not Millie Tant then

[Charlie Brown]

:whistle:

...Okay, it was me. I wanted to see how quickly people would reply!

[discomobiledj]

Are you just trying to *please don't swear or else your post will be edited and not make any sense to those that read it back....much like this one - you would think that all the years of trying to get this message across people would realise that this is a family friendly forum and bad language isn't allowed and will never be allowed, EVEN if some of the letters are replaced with asterix. If in doubt use the Censored smile (:Censored:)* people off?

That lasted long. Goodbye Lisa Clarke, hello Stu Dent, the text messenger.

[Charlie Brown]

That lasted long. Goodbye Lisa Clarke, hello Stu Dent, the text messenger.

I know.

Sorry guys.

[Dynamic Entertainment]

:whistle:

...Okay, it was me. I wanted to see how quickly people would reply!

Really...can we have a *shakes head in disbelief* smilie please ;)

[Mark Wild]

:whistle:

...Okay, it was me. I wanted to see how quickly people would reply!

You're really starting to take the :Censored: now Charles, aren't you at work? This is the busiest time of year for your so called friends and colleagues on here, now stop wasting thier time and mind your own business.

[Corabar Entertainment]

Sorry guys.No, you're clearly not sorry, Charlie, or you wouldn't have done it, so stop paying lip service.

I'm done giving you the benefit of the doubt.

Just remember, you reap what you sow in this life.

:mad: :mad: :mad:

[Silver]

In fairness, Charlie, you probably wouldn't have admitted it if Angela hadn't caught you. I'm not sure closing the thread and wanting it to go away is the best way to handle this.

I have to say I think you've behaved pretty badly in doing this, particularly to friends and colleagues on here, most of which would probably just have given you the information you were after if you'd asked. This practice isn't analogous with "mystery shopping", which incidentally I've frequently used in my past career. A mystery shopper is employed by the client, to assess the clients services...not employed by the client to assess the services of the guy up the road.

Still, well done for offering to refund the GoodParty money to SJS.

I concur, I mentioned what a 'proper mystery shopper' does in post #98.

You're right it's not the way to go about things.

[Corabar Entertainment]

Actually - I think I'm going to merge both threads so people can clearly see the 'progression'

[Charlie Brown]

Sounds like another Charlie persona

That was why I admitted to it.


No, you're clearly not sorry, Charlie, or you wouldn't have done it, so stop paying lip service.

I'm done giving you the benefit of the doubt.

Just remember, you reap what you sow in this life.

:mad: :mad: :mad:

I knew I'd get the blame (straight away) so admitted to it. I haven't sent any texts or been a 'fake person' since 'Lisa.' I wish I could text you Darren.

[DeckstarDeluxe]

Whatever happened to working on what you do rather than worrying what other people are doing?

I mean that in a general aspect rather than directing it at Charlie

[Silver]

Really...can we have a *shakes head in disbelief* smilie please ;)

Will any of these do? ... http://planetsmilies.net/confused-smiley-17424.gif http://planetsmilies.net/confused-smiley-17425.gif http://planetsmilies.net/confused-smiley-17432.gif http://planetsmilies.net/confused-smiley-17433.gif http://planetsmilies.net/confused-smiley-17487.gif http://planetsmilies.net/confused-smiley-17422.gif

http://planetsmilies.net/xmas-smiley-7700.gif

I don't believe the topic of this thread, quite amazing, what on earth is the person thinking about!? My concern is that these are the only incidents that he has confessed to, how many more? Quite astounding.

Sorry, this was typed as Angela merged the threads.

[Charlie Brown]

I'm not posting in this thread anymore.

For the record:

I haven't sent any 'fake' emails out since the last time we had a discussion on here. Also, I won't be sending any fake emails out again so please don't accuse me next time something like this crops up again. I fully accept why people would.

Mum always told me about the boy who cried wolf.

[Tom Lovick]

Very Funny 'Mike Hunt'.....

Who was that then??

[Silver]

Wrong, I haven't done it again since we last discussed it on the forum.



Please don't patronise me. Thanks.



It's not immature at all. A few of the senior members on here have said they perform this kind of practise. I still don't think it's totaly wrong.



Sorry, what do you mean by that? :confused:

FAO Charlie, you have the audacity to post that after what has just come to light, my God you take the biscuit!

[discomobiledj]

Do you think you might have split personality? I am actually being serious as it's very unusual for a 17 year old boy to be so many different "people"

[Shaun]

I'm not posting in this thread anymore.

For the record:

I haven't sent any 'fake' emails out since the last time we had a discussion on here. Also, I won't be sending any fake emails out again so please don't accuse me next time something like this crops up again. I fully accept why people would.



....but you're now sending out fake texts. Wasting peoples time is the same no matter which method you do it. I fear all you're doing is making people who classed you as a friend lost complete respect for you. I'm actually gobsmacked that you're now sending texts to waste people's time.

[andyw]

I replied to Angela's post #125 and said I didn't realise that the two instances were brought to light originally, I was only aware that there was the one on her site talked about. Had the second one, on Good Party have been mentioned then I must have missed it, so I apologised.

that is my fault, I posted the quote from charlie , I read scotts post and remembered charlie saying it (I actually remembered the critism he got at the time for using goodparty) it was early in the thread(page 5 or 6 i think but cant be bothered to look again)

I'm not posting in this thread anymore.

For the record:

I haven't sent any 'fake' emails out since the last time we had a discussion on here. Also, I won't be sending any fake emails out again so please don't accuse me next time something like this crops up again. I fully accept why people would.

Mum always told me about the boy who cried wolf.
i actually believe you charlie my first thoughts were it's too silly a name for anyone doing a bit of research to use (even you:p ), but then you owned up to it and i thought, i,m wrong again. BUT now you are denying it, i believe you are telling the truth:) your still a :muppet: though:) :) :beer1:

[Corabar Entertainment]

OK - this is now getting beyond a joke.

I have had a spoof enquiry through the website this afternoon, and giving this thread, I'm pretty :Censored: off about it.

Do you want to own up to it, Tom?

[Charlie Brown]

....but you're now sending out fake texts. Wasting peoples time is the same no matter which method you do it. I fear all you're doing is making people who classed you as a friend lost complete respect for you. I'm actually gobsmacked that you're now sending texts to waste people's time.

I'm not sending texts!

I didn't send any texts.

I admitted to it in such a sarcastic cheeky way that I thought people would KNOW I didn't send it.

Checking how fast someone texts back is no use to me whatsoever. I thought people would suss that.

I've dug myself (unnecessarily) into a hole. :o

And, I do apologise (seriously) for wasting peoples time. The thread didn't need to be merged.

Does any of that make sense?

When Darren said he had a fake text and Steve said it was me...I thought I'd go along with it.

[andyw]

....but you're now sending out fake texts. Wasting peoples time is the same no matter which method you do it. I fear all you're doing is making people who classed you as a friend lost complete respect for you. I'm actually gobsmacked that you're now sending texts to waste people's time.

i could be wrong but i think charlie is trying to say it was not him, and he owned up because we would blame him anyway.
charlie please post again to clarify that:)
already done thanks

[Charlie Brown]

i could be wrong but i think charlie is trying to say it was not him, and he owned up because we would blame him anyway.
charlie please post again to clarify that:)
already done thanks

Yes!

That's it.

I'm a rude arrogant idiot at times....but I'm not that bad. I have a bit of something about me. After last time, you lot really think I'd do it again?




I have had a spoof enquiry through the website this afternoon, and giving this thread, I'm pretty :Censored: off about it.
Do you want to own up to it, Tom?

I'm sorry Angela (Tom you shouldn't have done it) but I can't stop laughing.

[Shaun]

I'm not sending texts!

I didn't send any texts.

I admitted to it in such a sarcastic cheeky way that I thought people would KNOW I didn't send it.

Checking how fast someone texts back is no use to me whatsoever. I thought people would suss that.

I've dug myself (unnecessarily) into a hole. :o

And, I do apologise (seriously) for wasting peoples time. The thread didn't need to be merged.

Does any of that make sense?

When Darren said he had a fake text and Steve said it was me...I thought I'd go along with it.

Ah, I see! My apologies then. The 'sarcasticness' wasn't apparent from your post, I honestly thought you stated you had sent the text. All's well that ends well.

[Charlie Brown]

Ah, I see! My apologies then. The 'sarcasticness' wasn't apparent from your post, I honestly thought you stated you had sent the text. All's well that ends well.

No worries.

We aren't mind readers. :)

[StarZSoundS]

Yes!

That's it.

I'm a rude arrogant idiot at times....but I'm not that bad. I have a bit of something about me. After last time, you lot really think I'd do it again?







Charlie....Come on Mate!!!



Best to admit you have been Wayne Kerr(pseudonym)all day today!!We all have days like that:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:




You are clearly a bit hyperactive.Selling Houses is not stretching you enough...particularly in December.:eek: :eek: :eek:


Ditch the job and rejoin the Human Race!!:) :) :) :) :)

[funkymook]

Charlie just had a Spartacus moment :D

[Corabar Entertainment]

I'm sorry Angela (Tom you shouldn't have done it) but I can't stop laughing.Yeah - thanks for that Charlie :Censored:

[Excalibur]

Charlie just had a Spartacus moment :D

The rest of us were having a "Soap" moment.

" Confused? You will be.........................." :D :D :D

[Charlie Brown]

Yeah - thanks for that Charlie :Censored:

Can you not see the funny side?

Tom picks now to send you a fake email whilst all of this is kicking off. It wasn't aimed at you - just thought Tom was funny to do it now. :)


Charlie just had a Spartacus moment :D

I diD!

Thinking about it...I don't know what possessed me to say it was me.

[discomobiledj]

Attention?

[Charlie Brown]

Attention?

Nah,

It was to play along with people like yourself who will always blame me from now on. You were the first one to jump on the bandwagon and accuse. ;)

[discomobiledj]

Where exactly?

[Corabar Entertainment]

Do you want to own up to it, Tom?Obviously not., since I've seen you reading the thread and you haven't had the decency to reply :( :mad:

In the light of everything said in this thread - especially my opening post...


If you're going to put through spoof event requests through my website, please at least make if obvious you are from MDD.

I don't hide prices, and you'll still get the same result from the quote request, but it will save me doing the follow-up admin if I don't twig it in time. :mad: :mad: :mad:
WHY in God's name did you do it?

[Tom Lovick]

Hadn't acctually read the thread before..

sorry.

[Corabar Entertainment]

So you're seriously asking the members of this forum to believe that the idea to do fake enquiries just coincidentally popped in to your head today?

Give me strength!

[andyw]

looks to me like you and charlie are trying your best to get at each other lately and using the forum as a tool to achieve it, I don't know whether it was a serious spoof email you sent to angela or whether you were hoping charlie was going to get the blame(maybe both)
but can the pair of you please stop it all now, for all our sakes.

[Silver]

So you're seriously asking the members of this forum to believe that the idea to do fake enquiries just coincidentally popped in to your head today?

Give me strength!

http://planetsmilies.net/tongue-smiley-8855.gif

Now now, that would be no good at all, I would doubt very much they would let you 'mod' a forum from inside Holloway! Please have a chill smilie on me ... http://planetsmilies.net/cool-smiley-9017.gif

I can only try and imagine what you are going through with all this, so much time lost on an issue that should never have happened. http://planetsmilies.net/tongue-smiley-8846.gif My hat off to you.

[Corabar Entertainment]

Don't worry.... I'm chilled :D ;)

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Do you know what?

I am getting sick of idiots on this forum.

Sick of people who play stupid games. Sick of people making pointless and ridiculous posts. Sick of people who can't be bothered to post properly. Sick of people being childish and bitching about this and that.

I have had enough.

It stops now.

[Shakermaker Promotions]

What we have is two under 18 year olds acting their ages. I have a nephew that is your age Charlie and he is so much more mature than the both of you put together.

This scenario is just absolutely pathetic...simple as that.

[Charlie Brown]

I don't believe Tom did that to 'frame' me for a second.

I think he was just curious?

I speak to Tom quite a bit on FB. :confused:

I think everyone is over an analyzing the situation.

Bit gutted with Gary's comment but I don't blame him after today.

[andyw]

I don't believe Tom did that to 'frame' me for a second.

I think he was just curious?

I speak to Tom quite a bit on FB. :confused:

I think everyone is over an analyzing the situation.

Bit gutted with Gary's comment but I don't blame him after today.

I must apologise for my last remarks I got tom mixed up with dynamotom.:eek:

[Shakermaker Promotions]

Charlie, if it was anyone else...I am sure you would be saying exactly the same as the rest of us. If Tom had done it then I am sure you would be on his back more than the rest of us.

[Charlie Brown]

Charlie, if it was anyone else...I am sure you would be saying exactly the same as the rest of us. If Tom had done it then I am sure you would be on his back more than the rest of us.

I don't think Tom has done it maliciously and I'd be a hypocrite to be annoyed at him for doing genuine 'market research'

[Tom Lovick]

I don't think Tom has done it maliciously and I'd be a hypocrite to be annoyed at him for doing genuine 'market research'

Thank you charlie.

I was acctually doing it cause i couldn't find any prices on angellas website, so did an enquiry to find out prices as i am currently redoing my pricing structure...

[Shakermaker Promotions]

Sorry Charlie but I give up with you mate.
Why is it (and this is no disrespect to Darren at all), that you only listen and take on board what Darren says yet the rest of us who comment, well they seem to go in one ear and out of the other.

I have seen Darren take you down a peg or two on here a number of times and it's almost as if you listen, take note and then carry on doing the same thing. A bit like someone being punched in the face repeatedly but they still have a cheesy grin on their face....(bit of a weird comparison but I know what I mean).

You asked for this thread to be closed, it hasn't been so why not, rather than trying to get the last word in all the time....just not comment?

[Charlie Brown]

Sorry Charlie but I give up with you mate.
Why is it (and this is no disrespect to Darren at all), that you only listen and take on board what Darren says yet the rest of us who comment, well they seem to go in one ear and out of the other.

You asked for this thread to be closed, it hasn't been so why not, rather than trying to get the last word in all the time....just not comment?

TBH - I've lost the meaning/point of the thread. I'm not learning anything or taking advice? Is there any to be taken? Am I missing something? I'm not being rude...

It wasn't about having the 'last word.' - I just wanted to clarify and stop further rumours from spreading.

[Shakermaker Promotions]

Charlie - Have you ever heard about Karma? What goes around comes around? or The Boy who cried wolf?

I would google them if you haven't.

[Tom Lovick]

TBH - I've lost the meaning/point of the thread. I'm not learning anything or taking advice? Is there any to be taken? Am I missing something? I'm not being rude...

It wasn't about having the 'last word.' - I just wanted to clarify and stop further rumours from spreading.

Look.

Charlie and I may be young but we (and the rest of the younger DJs) are the future of this industry. So could you please stop having a go at us the whole time as if it wasn't for the young'uns on the forum the forum would fail once darren, shaun, vectis, etc leave the forum/the industry.

[Dynamic Entertainment]

Thank you charlie.

I was acctually doing it cause i couldn't find any prices on angellas website, so did an enquiry to find out prices as i am currently redoing my pricing structure...

Tom, as has been said on this thread before. If you have a question of that nature ASK! N private most people would be forthcoming with info to help you out!

[Corabar Entertainment]

Thank you charlie.

I was acctually doing it cause i couldn't find any prices on angellas website, so did an enquiry to find out prices as i am currently redoing my pricing structure...Firstly, my name is 'Angela'; secondly, what the hell has what I charge got to do with your pricing structure? We have a very different set up (and I'm not talking about rigs here, I'm talking about the way we organise our businesses); and, thirdly, why not just make it clear that it was a 'spoof' on the form, or ask me directly if you wanted to know something? I have already said I haven't got a problem with that.

I keep a VERY close eye on my web stats, so I also know that you have previously spent copious amounts of time on my site - going through all the pages - especially all the downloadable forms, etc. All I can say is, I really hope for your sake that you don't copy anything!

[Tom Lovick]

Charlie - Have you ever heard about Karma? What goes around comes around? or The Boy who cried wolf?

I would google them if you haven't.

Don't Be So :Censored: :Censored: Rude!!!!!!

[Charlie Brown]

Charlie and I may be young but we (and the rest of the younger DJs) are the future of this industry. So could you please stop having a go at us the whole time as if it wasn't for the young'uns on the forum the forum would fail once darren, shaun, vectis, etc leave the forum/the industry.

Leave it now Tom. ;)

[discomobiledj]

Charlie and I may be young but we (and the rest of the younger DJs) are the future of this industry. So could you please stop having a go at us the whole time as if it wasn't for the young'uns on the forum the forum would fail once darren, shaun, vectis, etc leave the forum/the industry.

God help us. Maybe you should stick to kids parties, or maybe take some time out of the forum and compose yourselves.

[CRAZY K]

Charlie and I may be young but we (and the rest of the younger DJs) are the future of this industry.

What makes you think that:confused:

[Corabar Entertainment]

Look.

Charlie and I may be young but we (and the rest of the younger DJs) are the future of this industry. So could you please stop having a go at us the whole time as if it wasn't for the young'uns on the forum the forum would fail once darren, shaun, vectis, etc leave the forum/the industry.
As I said to Charlie earlier, I would really suggest that you don't get on your high horse on this one.

If this is the standard of professionalism we can hope for, the forum is doomed in any event..... as is the industry.

[Charlie Brown]

Charlie - Have you ever heard about Karma? What goes around comes around? or The Boy who cried wolf?

I would google them if you haven't.

Indeed Gary.



Mum always told me about the boy who cried wolf.

[Tom Lovick]

Firstly, my name is 'Angela';

I keep a VERY close eye on my web stats, so I also know that you have previously spent copious amounts of time on my site - going through all the pages - especially all the downloadable forms, etc. All I can say is, I really hope for your sake that you don't copy anything!

Sorry miss typed Angela.

And im not looking to copy you, just how everyone else does things and what people at putting on booking forms.

To clarify, I am NOT copying your site. Or forms.

And can everyone stop slagging me and charlie off. as it is ....... me off.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Look.

Charlie and I may be young but we (and the rest of the younger DJs) are the future of this industry. So could you please stop having a go at us the whole time as if it wasn't for the young'uns on the forum the forum would fail once darren, shaun, vectis, etc leave the forum/the industry.

If you are the future of the industry, then there us no hope.

[Tom Lovick]

If you are the future of the industry, then there us no hope.

Well one day you won't be DJing so Charlie and My generation will be the DJs of tomorrow.

And stop being so derogative and horrible towards all of the younger people on this forum. You should all be ashamed of what you have said to me and charlie this evening.

Now lets all have a :beer1: :beer1:

[Corabar Entertainment]

You should all be ashamed of what you have said to me and charlie this evening.WE should be ashamed?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Silver]

Look.

Charlie and I may be young but we (and the rest of the younger DJs) are the future of this industry. So could you please stop having a go at us the whole time as if it wasn't for the young'uns on the forum the forum would fail once darren, shaun, vectis, etc leave the forum/the industry.

(To be read in a very sarcastic stylee) ... Wow, that fills me with so much confidence!

I don't think for a nano second you have any idea of what your statement says!

At times like this I wish I was a Mod!

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

And stop being so derogative and horrible towards all of the younger people on this forum. You should all be ashamed of what you have said to me and charlie this evening.



You are joking, you rude little s:Censored:

You can go in the bin and stay there.

[Shakermaker Promotions]

Tom - What I said was not being rude. If you thought that was rude then there is no hope at all. As for you and the likes of you being the future of this industry....well, unless you grow up and mature a bit then you have no hope either.

Yes, that may sound rude but tough. I say it how it is. I'm 42 and there are a lot of DJ's on this site around the same age and older and we are all flat out and mega busy. We don't need spoof enquiries and maybe one day when you get to that point, you'll understand why most people are so hacked off.

Now, that's even ruder....I'll stop there because like you, I am beginning to get ........off too! Forgive me but I am not commenting anymore, I need to start sorting things for tonights party.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

That's enough.

Tom, you are sin binned until further notice.

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