Trusslite - Health and Safety

[DiscoPromotions]

Following our purchase of the trusslite booth kit, we have run into a bit of H&S issue with it.

The legs themselves are very steady, but at the top of the stand where the legs join seems to be a week point. With enough force it could bend and collapse.

We will be going back to ultimax next week to see if they can offer any recommendations; as it does not seem as solid when we viewed similar stand at BPM event.

Does anyone have any experience with this kit, as I feel we are just missing something to solve the problem?.

It measures 3m x 3m x 3m.

Thanks in advance

[flatliners]

i don't think its meant for a dance floor its a dj booth kit so you put it where your play out system should be

[DJ James Lake]

That setup looks way too small for a dancefloor

[visualdjmax]

I would agree that this really needs to go round you guys and not on the dancefloor! I would recommend getting some base plates for the legs. The problem that you also get is guests trying to climb the legs after a few. This will happen. I would be worried about the stability of the box.

[Roy James]

Hi there, totaly agree, it needs moving! you will get one or two stupid girls that after one to many drinks will try and 'pole dance' although not poles they will still have a go, and pull the lot down!

[DiscoPromotions]

Spoken to Trusslite who have developed a solution by putting braces on the corners.

They are manufacturing them now and should have them in the next few weeks.

Keep you posted...

[Jiggles]

For that kind of use you need proper trussing like trilite trussing. That stuff just needs a small breath of wind and it will be over!

[Digital Jack]

It's rather slim isn't it.
With an almost total lack of bracing - it wont take much to get it to collapse with a twisting motion.

[Paul James Promotions]

Sorry, but I would have to agree with what others have said, for dancefloor use you must use a heavy duty system.

There will come a time when someone will try to climb up one of the legs, and it probably won't take much for it to come crashing down and cause a major injury.

Be careful, and stay safe.

J

[Corabar Steve]

There appears to be somebody living in the right hand speaker stack

[csg]

yes, speaking with my riggers hat on, there is no WAY i would consider that style of trussing for that application. It would be all too easy for the design to be overloaded to the point of collapse in ANY pubic area.

I personally would not consider that structure over a stage area either - and i would be very interested to see details of any structural testing that the manufacturers have carried out.

In my years in the industry, ive never seen such light duty trussing used for a free standing rig of that nature. Trilite, which is considered light duty itself would normally be the absolute minimum, and then only up to a 2500mm or 3000mm leg hight without additional bracing.

The manufacturers have said that they will provide bracing struts which will produce a more rigid structure. Even with those in place i would still have major concerns for the safety of that structure.

If anybody can point me in the direction of the relevant structural tests and specifications for this structure i would be very interested in taking a look.

[Corabar Steve]

A good place to start might be the Ultimax website

[csg]

i've just taken a good look around their website, and can not find any published loading capacities, either spread or point, or any mention of specifications beyond structure dimensions.

I might be missing them, but if they are not there, that is, at best, surprising for a company specialising in structural supports.

Im not wishing to rubbish Ultimax, but having seen pictures of that structure, i have major concerns regarding its stability and safety, regardless of its position in the venue. If that turned up on one of my jobs, i'd want to see the paperwork.

[DiscoPromotions]

I would like to say thanks for all your comments. I do agree with majority about how easy it would be to pull it down.

That is why Ultimax are providing the solution to make it much safer. If we are still not happy it is going, simple as that.

I am very safety conscious about our client's, their guest and us and there has plenty of time I said NO to clients who want things in place where it is just to much of safety hazard. I event have stopped events in the past when H&S issues shows up. Got the back lash of clients for it as well, but good thing for T&Cs.

CSG: Some information you may be interested in

Distance between supports 1m = 100kg evenly distributed Load
Distance between supports 2m = 75kg evenly distributed Load
Distance between supports 3m = 50kg evenly distributed Load
Distance between supports 4m = 25kg evenly distributed Load

We are awaiting for delivery of the solution from ultimax and will keep you posted

[csg]

thanks for the info.

I would be interested in the point load ratings - for most structures these hover around 33% of the spread load, so for the 3m span you are using that equates to approx. 17kg centre point load - which is more realistic as that is how you are loading the structure.

Where things start to get more interesting is when you look at how side loads, particularly dynamic ones, like drunk people falling over.

I am very surprised that a reputable manufacturer chose to supply a structure that they acknowledge requires bracing that was not supplied, particularly if the structure was supplied as a complete kit.

Looking at the picture of the built structure it would seem that the structure would be least strong when the legs are being pushed into the centre of the structure. Interestingly, thats also the most difficult plane to brace on a structure like this, so it will be interesting to see the manufacturers solution.

[spin mobile disco]

What about floor level bracing? Maybe metal floor braces and then a dancfloor on top? Just a suggestion Obviously completing the cube would mean the horizontal stress would no longer be an issue but it would need a dancefloor on top to prevent guests tripping.
I thought this layout was more for over a band etc to provide point lighting , stageblinders etc?

[Corabar Steve]

I thought this layout was more for over a band etc to provide point lighting , stageblinders etc?& You'd be correct (or DJs)